C-Span coverage of the attacks - and Deepak Chopra points out that the War on Terror turns moderates into extremists.

With more than 100 dead and reports of up to 900 injured, the horrific events in Mumbai have now moved into a second day. Attacks by well-armed and organised Moslem terrorists, who targeted UK, US and Israeli nationals in particular and took hostages at top hotels in India's financial capital, have catapulted India's boiling sectarian feuds and regional tensions into the news this Thanksgiving. Some of the most up-to-date reporting can be found at India's NDTV.com.

Given the nature of the attacks - coordinated across several targets simultaneously and using grenades and heavy machine guns as well as assault rifiles, the finger of suspicion was naturally first pointed at Al Qaeda by Western media. More serious conservative analysts are following Indian officials and are blaming Kashmir-related groups like the Lashkar e-Taiba, who were instrumental in carrying out bomb attacks in Mumbai in July 2006 and, very unlike the US right's response in 2006 when protecting Musharraf was high on the neocon agenda, this time even the Weekly Standard is making the connection between the LeK and Pakistan's ISI.

It is too early to tell with any precision who is behind these attacks. The smart money is on the multi-headed hydra of terrorist and extremist groups based in Pakistan and Kashmir. Indeed, Pakistan’s intelligence service has waged a proxy war against India using terrorists for decades. The two nuclear powers have avoided a large-scale exchange, but the Pakistani ISI has repeatedly sponsored or aided terrorist groups targeting civilians in India. For example, Indian authorities were quite vocal in blaming Pakistan for the July 11, 2006 train bombings, which killed more than 200.


Today’s attacks, if they are indeed a continuation of Pakistan’s proxy war, threaten to destabilize relations between the two nations further...All of the prime suspects have ties to Pakistani Intelligence: Kashmiri separatists, Pakistani extremists, and even the Taliban and al Qaeda. American authorities should, therefore, look not only for evidence of which specific terrorist groups are involved, but also evidence of ties to the ISI.

I'll admit that was my first reaction too, and it's still possible - there are even unconfirmed reports that at least some of the attackers may be Pakistani nationals. I wrote in an emal discussion with my Newshoggers colleagues that the recent Pakistani government's charm offensive, making nice with India and announcing curbs on the ISI, was to be distrusted and that I suspected it was more window-dressing than actuality. However, as one analyst told me today "far right Indian politicians and the security apparatus have a lot to gain from claiming that the attacks were from Pakistan and the ISI, and they have a lot to lose economically and in international standing if it turns out it was a domestic attack motivated by religiously charged politics." Moreover, these attacks don't fit the classic pattern for either AQ or the LeK:

Christine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation, was careful to say that the identity of the terrorists could not yet be known. But she insisted the style of the attacks and the targets in Mumbai suggested the militants were likely to be Indian Muslims and not linked to Al Qaeda or Lashkar-e-Taiba, another violent South Asian terrorist group.


“There’s absolutely nothing Al Qaeda-like about it,” she said of the attack. “Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don’t do hostage-taking and they don’t do grenades.” By contrast, Mr. [Sajjan] Gohel in London said “the fingerprints point to an Islamic Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group.”

(I'd take the opinion of Ms Fair over that of Mr Gohel any day.)


There's now evidence that the attacks were carried out by indigenous militants and motivated purely by rage at Hindu-supremacist atrocities inside India rather than being part of an international Al Qaeda plan of attacks or Pakistan's strategy of "foreign policy by terror proxy". Blake Hounshell notes:

Today's horrific attacks in Mumbai were claimed by a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen...A group calling itself the "Indian Mujahideen" has claimed responsibility for attacks in a number of different cities over the past several months. The Indian Mujahideen sent a warning in September expressing anger over recent raids by the city's antiterrorism squad (ATS). Today's message from the Deccan Mujahideen appears to be identical:

You should know that your acts are not at all left unnoticed; rather we are closely keeping an eye on you and just waiting for the right time to execute your bloodshed. We are aware of your recent raids at Ansarnagar, Mograpada in Andheri and the harassment and trouble you created there for the Muslims.


"You threatened to murder them and your mischief went to such an extent that you even dared to abuse and insult Maulana Mahmood-ul-Hasan Qasmi and even misbehaved with the Muslim women and children there.


"If this is the degree your arrogance has reached, and if you think that by these stunts you can scare us, then let the Indian Mujahideen warn all the people of Mumbai that whatever deadly attacks Mumbaikars will face in future, their responsibility would lie with the Mumbai ATS and their guardians - Vilasrao Deshmukh and R R Patil. You are already on our hit-list and this time very very seriously."

It's probably significant that the head of Mumbai's anti-terror squad and two of his staff were assassinated as part of this co-ordinated attack.


The background context is that Mumbai is run by the very extreme Shiv Sena (army of Shiva) party who have advocated acts of violence against Moslims, and have overseen an increasing sectarian division of the city. It's leader recently called for the formation of Hindu suicide squads. The current issue of Newsweek covers the wider Hindutva or Hindu supremacist movement and its massive influence on Indian life.

consider the BJP's candidate for prime minister this time around. Lal Krishna Advani is an aging rabble-rouser who in the mid-1990s helped gather a huge Hindu mob that tore down the 16th-century Babri Mosque, leading to riots that killed more than 2,000 people (Advani was later cleared of criminal charges). He is far more radical than his predecessor, Atal Behari Vajpayee, who served as prime minister from 1998 to 2004. And Advani's heir apparent is Gujarat's chief minister, Narendra Modi—who has been denied entry to the United States for his alleged role in the 2002 riots in Gujarat that killed more than 1,000. Not long after the riots, Modi warned a crowd that Muslims were trying to erode India's Hindu majority by having many children. "We have to teach a lesson to those who are increasing the population at an alarming rate," he said.


...The explanation for the BJP's rightward tilt lies with its increased reliance on its parent organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)...The RSS advocates a philosophy known as Hindutva and favors turning India into a Hindu state (the country's population is 80 percent Hindu) and designating religious minorities as second-class citizens. Without its nationalist ideology it wouldn't be clear what the BJP stood for.

While just the other day I noted the arrest of 10 Hindu supremacist terrorists, including a current Colonel in military intelligence and three former military officers - suggesting that there's reason aplenty for escalating tit-for-tat sectarian violence. Not all Hindus are violent extremists, just as not all Moslems are - but India is a populous nation and there's always going to be plenty of dangerous extremism going around despite some truly earnest attempts by the current ruling coalition - a Sikh prime minister and a Muslim president elected by a Hindu majority.


All of this goes under-reported in the West, where the prevalent narrative is of India as the world's biggest democracy and a tolerant culture. And it is, but just like the US it has its KKK equivalents. Still, one wonders whether if the West were more aware of this stuff, and the massive stores of hatred that the Pakistani and Indian militaries have for each other on sectarian/nationalist grounds, politicians or public would be quite so sanguine about the US/India nuke deal and hopes for a detente between the two nations while Obama is President.


Crossposted from Newshoggers
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When I read about this it occurred to me that MANY outsourced American jobs are in Mumbai. If terrorist wanted to really hurt the American economy they could begin attacking where outsourcing takes place. Ya those jobs would come home but the increase in costs to the businesses would be crippling at this point.

Anyway, like I said I'm probably way off on it, but Mumbai being a prime place for American outsourcing did occur to me as an potential factor.

I think you're being too American-centric, FilthyHarry. I doubt this is about American jobs. These two communities have been going at it forever. America barely enters into it except as an occasional excuse. This is about religion.

In fact, they're only targeting foreigners because a) it's hugely embarrassing for India, b) it'll get international press, and c) it'll cost the Indian government money in trade and tourism. That's my take on it anyway.

As redsaunas notes below, this is going to get really bloody before it stops...

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I just want to know where they get their seemingly unending supply of weapons and guns and bullets.

When see these "terrorists", shooting everything in sight, I wonder how they afford it, and how they never seem to run out of bullets or weapons. I couldn't afford a semi-automatic, or the bullets, or any of the other armaments these guys have.

They are buying them somewhere, from someone, and they never run out.

I want to know who funds all this death, and who profits from it.

Of weapons floating around on the free market. How many tons disappeared out of Iraq alone...?

Ya those jobs would come home but the increase in costs to the businesses would be crippling at this point.

Crippling you say, hardly, the difference between the Indian wage and the American is pocket change for the Fat Cats.

Their savings in environmental and safety costs are much greater than the wages but still pocket change for the Fat Cats.

Add to those, the tax incentives that our corrupt Congress bestows upon them even though they are outsourcing and maybe you will be talking money that is serious, to them.

How about reversing the tax incentives so they apply ONLY when the jobs stay here.

Wake up, we will have a test later.

As for the terror, the loss of life is tragic.

As for the terrorists in general, the US has a coercive relationship with the rest of the world, that is why they attack us.

Stop the coercion, they lose their incentives.

When the full magnitude of the economic calamity that is heading our way is felt we are going to be forced to change some of our ways.

Whoever is behind it, there's one thing is likely. A lot of innocent Muslims will probably die horrible deaths in the Hindu backlash. These fanatics must go into these operations knowing what horrific fate will befall many of those they claim to be fighting for.

There are few things on Earth more sickening than Indian communal violence, and this could spark a fresh round of slaughter.

outside Peshawar with rockets and clusterbombs would qualify, nest paw?

Well, if India imitates America, they'll declare war on Sudan, invade it & create a quagmire in the ensuing civil war.

Well we may never know exactly why this happened. I don't think they took anyone alive and there is one left still hole-up in a hotel. He will most likely end up dead also. The thought crossed my mind some one is trying to get India to attack Pakistan. But no one has claimed responsibility for the attack.

committed these atrocious acts should be bought to justice.

My quibble is with the word "moslem". We were told long time ago that that was offensive to Muslims.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moslem

back and forward on spellings for Muslim, even in this post. I'd no knowledge any alternate spelling was considered offensive, even after years of writing and back-and-forth discussions with friends like Ali Eteraz, but I'll certainly bear it in mind in future. Thanks.

Regards, C

It is "whoever". Whom is dative.

His comments concerning the eventual price we will pay for our war crimes in the mid-east were frightening.

a Muslim-Hindu confrontation. The "war on terror" does not apply to this. Chopra should stick to blaming American foreign policy where it's warranted, rather than attributing the most recent flare up of Hindu-Muslim animosity on the "was on terror".

Bigotry and nationalism have divided parts of the Pakistani and Indian populations for generations before President Bush and will do so for generations afterwards.

I think that I'm not thankful for religion.

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in decline.

As you/we get weaker, we'll get struck harder.

Survival of the fittest...

...for an excellent summary.

I'll be honest, I'm surprised it's all up there at once. I thought the editors would cut it down with a page break and "read more" on the front page.

Regards, C

[It dropped without permission. I mentioned the lack of a page break in the email I sent. I'll ask an admin again to check it out and put a break in-Sitemonitor]

Wow, it doesn't take much to be affiliated with Al-Qaeda these days, does it? All you have to do is be brown and blow something up, and hey presto.

The key line in the entire piece:

It is too early to tell with any precision who is behind these attacks.

The rest of this article is nothing but sensationalist hearsay and regurgitated propaganda purely written for timing purposes and to generate hit numbers for advertising. This 'coverage' is no better than corporate media such as CNN and Fox. Shame on you.

Since I don't get a bean from advertising at C&L...

My post was a sincere attempt to set out the possibilities, and to highlight the possible inlfuence of Mumbai's sectarian tensions - something the Indian government wants to play down. Not at all sensationalsit hearsay.

I'm sorry if you thought it was regurgitated propaganda, but I'm wonder whose propaganda you thought I was repeating?

Regards, C

Blame the messenger.

I don't really care what they call themselves. They are scum. They have complete disregard for any sense of humanity or decency. They simply gunned downed people at will.

A Terrorist, is a terrorist, is a terrorists.

Whatever geopolitical rationale they use to justify their atrocities, they have still made a conscience choice to slaughter innocent men, women and children. I don't know what kind of god they worship; one that sanctions the butchering of humanity?

Fuck them!

Do you remember shock and awe? How many innocent men, women and children do you suppose were slaughtered?
If you're calling out terrorists, you better look at home first. The United States has been a terrorist nation for many, many decades now.
When you talk of geopolitical rationale do you mean the one that states if it's in America's best interest, screw the consequences to the poor schmucks who we kill in whatever part of the world the States are bombing on any given day.

When the US killed 1.5 million in the latest Iraq war...
When the US killed 3.5 million in Vietnam...
When the US let die 500k kids in Iraq from sanctions - cause it was worth it -

what does that make the US?

5.5 million killed vs. the 6 million killed by the Nazis in the death/concentration camps...

not to mention all the deaths caused by the US proxy wars all over the world, not to mention the excess deaths caused by the US domination of the global plantation economic system...

Why is the Media so obsessed with Hindus carrying out terror?

...for them to try to make us afraid of.

It's how long does it take to link ANY attack (before ANY investigation) to Al Qaeda , it took less than an hour for both CNN and MSNBC , since CNN is mostly in the speculation business any way .
This unknown group is linked to another group , that IS linked to Al As a side note Qaeda , bada - bing , there you go .
And it took them less time to mention " Muslim extremists " ..wait another minute , couldn't it be Hindu , naw that'll change the script to much . '
As far as CNN's so called coverage , as always they milk headlines or any attack , if it's " terrorist related " milk it so that EVERYTHING is " BREAKING NEWS " ...and it's ridiculous that they so many banners, split screens , moving scrolls at the bottom , you'd think they would run out of space to put up so much CRAP ON THE SCREEN . As a side note CNN's milking of Somalia Pirates is similar , that seems to be the hot topic of the week except for one problem if you're informed to what's happening in the region . The complete censorship by CNN and the other infotainers/ propagandists for U.S. Foreign policy , covering up the U.S.'s military role and attacks by GUNSHIPS on Somalia , the arrests of people crossing the border, the Ethiopian military killing civilians and accused of Rapes , that's BACKED by the U.S. military . There's a virtual BLACK OUT OF COVERAGE , obviously to provide cover for the Gov. , which they are colluding with .

the (weak) linkages to Al Qaeda only serve US interests in the War on Terror.

When does Al Qaeda take prisoners?
When does Al Qaeda use hand grenades as opposed to truck bombs and larger explosive devices?

Notice how the mainstream media focuses on the alleged targeting of British and US tourists.... when the percentage of those victims is about 6-7% of the total dead.

This fits in with the desire of the US to go into Afghanistan and eventually Pakistan with greater force or with more bombing campaigns. Thats because it will be blamed on Pakistans ISI-linked forces...

The reporting on this incident is brought to you by the corporate media. Brought to you by the media that lied about the Georgia/Russia incident, failed to do its job with Iraq/Afghanistan...

don't believe them this time either.

to determine who is responsible is to find out the religious affiliation of the hostages who were released.That would be a pretty fair indication, although not conclusive, of who's doing what to whom.

How I long for the day that all politicians can govern with this wisdom. Have they not learned that violence never solves anything?

Thank you for posting this insightful video.

wrong.

politicians and leaders have learned that violence solves the problems that they want.

they don't operate according to your - or to normal - moral principles.

they are quite able - and very willing - to sacrifice hundreds, thousands, and millions of lives, to accomplish their goals.

wow

This is, as usual, an amazing post, filled with critical information for processing the events in a way that might have at least a tangential relationship to reality...unlike what we tend to get from the MSM. I know Cernig has been concerned in the past that not that many people comment on these posts, but hey, what is there to add after that? That's a lot of new information to absorb, and all I can say is THANKS! and keep it coming.

There could be serious geo-political ramifications if India decides to blame Pakistan. Even if it is a domestic Muslim terrorist group, Indian ruling party will be tempted to blame Pakistan as election are scheduled for early next year. If India attacks Pakistan, U.S. will have to either attack Pakistan or India. Cheney and neocons might already planning it!

This is ridiculous misinformation.. Let me tell you, I grew up in India. I identify with the "left" in this country and I campaigned for Obama from the primaries.. The so called "right" in India is actually center left by American standards. The BJP doesn't want to create any second class citizens... What is a second class citizen? Someone who can not vote.. Nowhere will you find a statement, a piece of paper or anything that ever says this.. This is a myth the communists (yes the real ones that hate america) in india propagate about BJP. Just like how Democrats rarely get power in US and when they do they work wonders (Clinton, Kennedy, FDR) the BJP rarely gets power, but when it does, they work wonders too... Stop spreading these lies.. You know who doesnt have a right to vote in Pakistan? Hindus and Christians who are real second class citizens. And I dont even want to get started on the ehtnic cleansing that took place in 1948 to rid the holy (or "Pak") land (or "stan" ie. Pak+stan= Pakistan) of infidels.. and again in 1971 in East Pakistan (what is known today as Bangladesh). The "right" in India wants the communists and "pseudo" secularists to stop pandering to certain minority groups (like giving away government land to construct madrassa or giving free trips to Mecca every year)... If that is a "fundamentalist" position than every left winger in this country is a fundamentalist.. Please I beg you to go beyond labels and try to understand the ground realities.. The last 32 hours have been very terrible not only because of what happened.. but what will happen... War.. Riots.. it is only beginning... Another sidenote.. the last time Indian PM and Pakistani PM were shaking hands in Lahore, the pakistani military (Mushy was head of the military then) was planning a war against India (google Kargil).

The labels do serve to confuse as the context is rarely explained. The images and stories in the MSM are horrifying but incomplete. I understand they don't have the information or won't use their information but that they intersperse reports with turkey hash recipes and Black Friday nonsense is most irritating.

How prevalent is the BJP in a 'normal' news cycle or are they given attention only in violent circumstance? Please excuse my ignorance.

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