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What a surprise. Dubya had his fingers crossed when he said his administration was looking at ways to shut down Gitmo.

Despite his stated desire to close the American prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, President Bush has decided not to do so, and never considered proposals drafted in the State Department and the Pentagon that outlined options for transferring the detainees elsewhere, according to senior administration officials.

Mr. Bush’s top advisers held a series of meetings at the White House this summer after a Supreme Court ruling in June cast doubt on the future of the American detention center. But Mr. Bush adopted the view of his most hawkish advisers that closing Guantánamo would involve too many legal and political risks to be acceptable, now or any time soon, the officials said.

Spencer Ackerman:

The “legal risks” are called “due process of law” and “adherence to universally-embraced standards of civilization.”

The place rightwingers profess to believe is some kind of "holiday camp" is still full of innocents who were tortured into confessions, too.

Like 17 Uighurs a federal court had ordered released, who now won't go free.

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit stayed a federal judge's order releasing the men, and it ordered oral arguments in the government's appeal, to be heard Nov. 24.

U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina ordered the government Oct. 7 to release the men, all Uighurs, who have been held at Guantanamo Bay for nearly seven years. The same panel temporarily stayed Urbina's order a day later.

The government has been trying to find new homes for the Uighurs for years. It no longer considers them enemy combatants and provided no evidence in court that they posed a security risk. The men cannot be returned to their homeland because they face the prospect of being tortured and killed. China considers the men terrorists.

Judges A. Raymond Randolph and Karen L. Henderson sided with the government and issued the order without comment; Judge Judith W. Rogers dissented, writing that the Bush administration's legal theories were flawed. The government has argued it can detain the Uighurs without cause until it locates a new home for them.

Justice Department lawyers have argued that only the president or Congress has the legal authority to order the Uighurs' release into the United States.

And if Congress ordered their release, Dubya's henchmen would doubtless refuse on the grounds of his Supreme Executive Authoritay.

The Uighurs aren't the only ones held purely because they are evidence of Bush administration war crimes.

The Pentagon announced Tuesday it dropped war-crimes charges against five Guantanamo Bay detainees after the former prosecutor for all cases complained that the military was withholding evidence helpful to the defense.

America's first war-crimes trials since the close of World War II have come under persistent criticism, including from officers appointed to prosecute the alleged terrorists. The military's unprecedented move was directly related to accusations brought by the very man who was to bring all five prisoners to justice.

Army Lt. Col. Darrel Vandeveld had been appointed the prosecutor for all five cases, but at a pretrial hearing for a sixth detainee earlier this month, he openly criticized the war-crimes trials as unfair. Vandeveld said the military was withholding exculpatory evidence from the defense, and was doing so in other cases.

The chief prosecutor at Guantanamo Bay has now appointed new trial teams for the five cases to review all available evidence, coordinate with intelligence agencies and recommend what to do next, a military spokesman, Joseph DellaVedova, said in an e-mail.

DellaVedova said the military might renew the charges against the five later.

Clive Stafford Smith, a civilian attorney representing detainee Binyam Mohamed, said he has already been notified that charges against his client would be reinstated.

The Independent has more on the "farce" the Bush administration are passing of as due process:

Mohamed, 30, who lived in west London, was arrested in Pakistan in 2002 and transferred to Guantanamo in 2004. He was accused of planning an attack that included the use of radioactive material and chemical weapons.

But Mohamed insists he admitted to plotting the dirty bomb attack only after being tortured, which included having his penis cut with a razor. Mr Stafford Smith said: "The Bush Administration will not even admit in public that they rendered Mr Mohamed to face torture in Morocco, let alone allow him a fair trial. Meanwhile he sits in solitary confinement in Guantanamo, in total despair, contemplating whether he should just commit suicide."

Reprieve, which has long campaigned for the case against Mohamed to be dropped, says he should be returned to the UK. They say he is a victim of "extraordinary rendition" and torture. The charity says Mohamed was sent to Morocco by the CIA in July 2002, where he was tortured for 18 months before being rendered to a secret prison in Afghanistan.

Mohamed has been fighting a long, high-profile legal battle in both the American and English courts for access to 42 documents. Lawyers for the Muslim convert believe the secret papers may contain information backing his claim that he only confessed to terrorist activities after being held incommunicado for two years and suffering ill-treatment. The US government has been accused of using a strategy of delay to avoid having to disclose the evidence that could support the torture allegations.

So keen were the administration to prevent Mohammed's papers coming to light that they threatened the UK government with an intelligence-sharing embargo if it let a UK court rule in Mohammed's favor.

I continue to believe that, if President Obama thinks war crimes trails in America would be too devisive, all he has to do is step aside when The Hague comes calling with warrants for Bush and the rest and use the their own line: "if they've done nothing wrong then they have nothing to fear". With a smile.

But I will say one thing - if he does nothing at all, a lot of people who have backed him will remove their support.

Crossposted from Newshoggers



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Five others had all charges dismissed. But they continue to be held pending a refiling of the same charges.

But I'm unamerican if I say "prosecute them or let them go".

What bull.

You mean Dubya told a fib? NO WAY!

sure, but they were idealists also, and smart fuckers.

They gave us a pretty good plan of government.

Not good enough, though, due to no fault of their own.

While we chat about the coming election and the crimes of Shrub et al, some thought should be given to strengthening the Constitution's separation-of-powers provisions.

is needed. What is needed is to follow the original rules.

Yeah, just leave it for the next guy to deal with, along with two wars and a financial melt down.

..for all issues - to run out the clock

But the things he has done when he was engaged, will leave a stain on our country for the rest of time. First the mess must be cleaned up as much as it can be, then we have to move ahead to repair as much of the damages as we can.

there is preventing.

They go together.

Ignoring the past is to invite past disasters.

Like pumping trillions of cash into the banks.

whats obamas take on gitmo ? since he is soon to be a war criminal in afganistan will he close gitmo or just move it to the outskirts of dc?

There's no way Obama's going to do anything on these issues in the first term unless there's overwhelming demand and support. He'll have too much else to do - though he may use some of the "other issues to deal" with dodge to NOT interfere.

A second term is, on the other hand, when he may be able to take action - or appropriate inaction as they case may be.

I find it interesting he has Powell's backing. Want to bet Powell knows where some bodies are buried?

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On the upside it will be a convenient location to "question" the BushCo/CheneyTech mob once President Obama takes office.

These unfortunates don't scare me.

But I am in terror of the government that could perpetrate this outrage and travesty of "justice."

In light of these facts as stated in the article - does anybody really believe that these Rapists of Humanity will allow something as democratic as an election to spoil all of their fun?

I have no idea what to do about this other than stick to the cask strength whisky.

Hoping. I give odds of 50-50.

Palin is talking about?

put party before country.

THIS will be OUR legasy for years to come. This stain will be all over US in the eyes of the civilised world.

would make for a better U.S. government than the next team.

Reason: You aren't bought and sold.

Although if you were McCain or Obama, you would be.

for the backhanded compliment. Not to get personal,but ANY self-government has the best and worst of self interest. Just because we're savvy with the issues doesn't mean C&L commenters would be better than any other Republic.

and their willing underlings by the World Court would be a fantastic leap forward by mankind. Sorry to say, it will never happen and that they will meet their fate on another plane providing little comfort for the sane part of the world.

In South Africa, after apartheid, they could have had a witch-hunt against those guilty of crimes under the apartheid regime. Instead they set up the Truth and Reconciliation commission.

Those who committed crimes on behalf of either side during the liberation struggle received pardons provided:
* they confessed their crime in public in front of the commission
* they provided full details of what happened, answer the questions of the victims relatives as to what really happened, implicate their accomplices.

Note that they only get pardon for crimes the confess to. Their is a big incentive to get to the commission first - before your accomplices get there and implicate you. This was very successful in bringing reconciliation - it is possible to forgive even those who have killed your relatives if they have honestly recounted the details that you have agonised unknowing over for years.

I really believe it could work to cauterise the wounds and help heal America.

The time for healing is needed. Retribution solves nothing. Would you accept tire necklaces,as In S. Africa?

of 'reconciliation' sounds like the Inquisition to Me. Unsubstantuated witnesses....'Confess your guilt'. Mob rule.

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Joe... You are a very gut natzi. Rot in Hell.

5 men have been released from Gitmo and all charges dropped. The White House found no evidence of wrong doing by these men. Yes these 5 men were held without charges for 7 years and tortured and all five are now insane. This is an example of the Bush Policy for America. No one really cares about this as the Media doesn't even report it. But it's headlines around the World and many future terrorist will use this Bush Policy on Americans and soldiers. Yes when this happens to an American or soldier this country will call it a horror and demand something be done by the United Nations. I say what goes around comes around, you always get back what you give out.

Those men were NOT released. They are now being held without charges, until new ones can be filed.

I always feared that torture camps like Guatanamo could lead to torture camps being built here inside the US where citizens could be tortured- luckly that never came to pass...

Our government doesn't need camps to torture its citizens. In Chicago there is a well documented long term case of the police using torture against african americans. I also don't adhere to the duality between acceptable and un-acceptable victims. I care as much about people from other countries who are killed and tortured as our own soldiers and citizens.

I have so little faith in the Bush administration at this point that I wouldn't want them to close Gitmo. If they do they will only send all the prisoners to other hell holes, almost certainly more secret and more barbaric. At least this way the prisoners are in one place where they can perhaps achieve some justice from the next administration.

Here is Nader on the broader subject.

George W follows the footsteps of General Pinochet of Chile. Even GW's "Ownership Nation" was cherry picked from Gen Pinochet who came up with that FAILED IDEA back in the 70's. GW is a fascist, pure and simple.. and I DO mean SIMPLE.

Guantanamo, kidnapping people from the streets of the world, a string of secret torture prisons, and the breaking of internatonal treaties, in my books, has given the USA the biggest black eye, of anything. Evil Empires do that.

Whenever I look at the USA, now, I see a lawless renegade nation, and it COLOURS ALL ELSE. (If you wondered why I'm sometimes "testy" about the USA.) I will never forget, or trust again.

for his failures has never been a hallmark of Bush. With so little time remaining in his administration who would have expected him to alter his pattern of behavior. He can now hand over this brilliantly flaming bag of dog feces to President Obama (a little premature that but I like the way it sounds) and I fully expect the closing of this disgrace to be one of the new presidents first acts.

A Congressional inquiry with unlimited scope to investigate abuse of power and war crimes needs to take place shortly after Obama is inaugurated. This commission should be given the power to declassify documents subject only to Presidential approval, and its main function should be to prepare a public dossier on evidence of crimes during the past eight years.

Then turn this over to the International War Crimes Tribunal (for matters under their purview), the Iraqi Supreme Court (for crimes committed against Iraqi law during the occupation), and the American criminal justice system for the rest.

As with Nixon, the only thing standing between Bush and a long prison term (whether in the US or the Hague) should be an official pardon. More important than prison for offenders, though, is making all of the dirty laundry public.

"But Mr. Bush adopted the view of his most hawkish advisers that closing Guantánamo would involve too many legal and political risks (to themselves) to be acceptable, now or any time soon, the officials said."
That's much more accurate.
BTW, "healing" without justice promotes more injustice. Justice first, then healing.

Another disgraceful moment in American history.

/nice new digs C&L

And never forget that the illegal war of aggression against Iraq was based on forged documents and intimidation of intellegence agency analysts or by-passing them. Those who ordered the forging of those documents and intimidated US intellegence agency personel have yet to face accountability.

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Anyone who believed Bush for one moment...
... Just got fooled, AGAIN!

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Q U E S T I O N:
What makes Guantanamo legal?

I mean, since most of those held there were a result of an illegal war started by the Bush Administration, AIDED BY A COMPLICIT CONgress, what makes it legal at all?

VIGILANTE JUSTICE HAS BEEN ILLEGAL...
... WHAT MAKES IT LEGAL WHEN THE "PRESIDENT" DOES IT?

Got above the Rule of Law?

Q U E S T I O N #2:
What will Johnny McTORTURE do to end this abuse of power?
What will Obama do to end this abuse of power?

I mean, sure, there ARE bad guys out there, but if America is supposed to BE the Good guys, how is acting like the bad guys, good? Doesn't that make the bad guys justified then?

... Just askin'

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Before Guantánamo is closed, please can we send John Yoo there? First we will release Guantánamo Bays current prisoners. Also we will give them the choice to ether immigrate to a nation that will not torture them, or stay for awhile to educate Mr Yoo. There is so much he can learn while there. For example that Water Boarding really is torture, and the importance of the US Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. After he spends seven years at Guantánamo, then we can turn him over to the International Criminal Court so he can face charges for war crimes.

Thank god for my second citizenship!

See ya later suckers!

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