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First we had the the professional corporate climate-change deniers snorting at the idea that global warming might have played a role in this week's devastating tornadoes in the South.

Now we have religious-right climate-change deniers claiming that they know what did cause those tornadoes: in fact, the storms were a product of God's wrath and an expression of his judgment.

This time it's Dr. Calvin Beisner, voicing his views on the radio show of the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer, via RightWingWatch:

BEISNER: What this tells me, Bryan, is that we need to recognize that natural disasters like this are like distant early-warning signals. There is judgment to come. We are all sinners. None of us, none of us is righteous enough to say, 'Oh, I wouldn't deserve it if that happened to me.'

I'm sure folks in Alabama and Georgia will be pleased to hear that God singled them out for judgment -- especially ahead of such godless places as Hollywood -- just to prove that it can happen to good people too.

And why are we getting God's wrath? you ask. Well, Pat Robertson has the answer -- it's because we've become a modern-day "Sodom and Gomorrah":

Robertson: And I believe that the anointing of the Lord has been here to fulfill the desire of those early settlers, to take the gospel from America throughout the world, and that’s what we’ve been here to do. But let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen, it doesn’t take a great scholar to tell you the United States has lost its moorings.

When you think that courts have denied children the right to pray in schools, that there’s a vendetta against religious belief, that now homosexuality has been made a constitutional right, that abortion has been made a constitutional right, the courts and judges have trampled on the early origins of our nation, they have distorted the meaning of the First Amendment. It’s all been done, and we’ve let it happen.

But I was reading today about a place called Sodom and Gomorrah, and a man named Abraham stood before God, and he says, “God, there’re righteous people in that city, would you kill them along with the wicked, must not the judge of all the earth do right?” And God finally promised, “If I can find ten righteous in that city, I will spare it,” just ten. Well the time came he could only find six, so they destroyed Sodom and Gomorra. But there’re many righteous here in America, and we need to band together and pray that God Almighty will spare this great land and reestablish in our hearts the vision of the pioneers.

Well, considering that the storms struck hardest in states represented by some of the most hardcore global-warming denialists, maybe they're onto something with this whole "God's retribution" bit. Though not for the reasons they presume.

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Edwin's picture

That didn't take long, but it still took longer than I expected.


far left loon >.<

Mike the Canuck's picture

correct me please but I thought that the area struck is the "buckle" of america's bible belt. I thought the people living in these states were god's chosen one's? If god is angry at your country then why didn't he strike the castro district of san fransico, or new york city?

mnich13's picture

I guess God's aim just isn't what it used to be.

I've heard that really, it's nothing personal, it's just that God really, really hates mobile home parks.

biff's picture

I might say it is God's judgement to visit such ignorance on the likes of Robertson and Beisner.

Crustyolcarpenter's picture

But are there six?? OK, how about accurate history and how SOME of the newcomers were escaping religious persecution from the church telling them when to pray, how to pray and where to pray. Most were "adventurers" mostly sponsored, looking for plunder and profit.


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gump's picture

These people that suffered this week are the people who follow these nutjobs. On a not lighter note, Rick Perry is crying over the lack of response from the federal government over the fires in the country of Texas. For someone who thinks his state should go it alone, he whines quite a bit about the federal government not helping out. IF it wasn't for the people (who probably hate the black guy in office) I would tell Perry to tell his people to pay a tax to get more firefighters in Texas.


is intended to be a factual statement

Excelsior's picture

Not everyone who lives in that area is a Christian. There are LOTS and LOTS of other people in the South too. Just because they're not yammering on the Christian bullhorn doesn't mean they don't exist.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

JPrice169's picture

Fisher's shows, and the network that airs it, have a station that broadcasts here in the Memphis area. I'll admit to tuning in from time to time because, hey - sometimes complete ignorance and the idiotic/numbing propaganda that they put out is funny in a "Fox & Friends" sort of way. Except for Bryan Fisher's show.

Hate-monger seems like a relatively light term when trying to describe this theocratic fascist. I just hope people, however misguided, that are looking for answers spiritual or otherwise don't buy into this ass. The 'gospel' he follows is one of hate, and it seems like he cares less and less for subtlety each time I see one of these clips or hear his show.

Hope the south heals up, wises up and starts kicking these brown shirts out on their asses.

...when a well-informed Christian -- or even a well-informed former-Christian-turned-agnostic such as myself -- knows that according to the New Testament, Jesus himself is quoted as saying that "[God} sends rain to the just and unjust alike" suggesting that destructive weather is not a reliable indication of God's disfavor or punishment. But then again, as a well-informed former-Christian-turned-agnostic, I know better than to expect a false prophet like Robertson to acknowledge that.


Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.

Jack Camwell's picture

Thank you. If only these fools read the bible as carefully as you.

Isn't it funny how fundamentalists Christians pick and choose which parts of the bible to interpret literally?


"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946

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Alerta_Alerta's picture

I choose the Noah story to point out that god is an idiot and Noah a drunken fool. His fecking boat isn't even big enough to contain a pair of every insect. Yeah, i know, logic.pffttt.


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God invented evolution AFTER the flood. It would be in current biblical texts were it not for everyone's shared sacrifice in budgetary cutbacks.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Was that before or after he put the Dinosaur bones in the ground?


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In an biblical text tragically lost during a fire caused by Vatican candles, we learned the dinos were done in by God for trying to placate the rinos.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Ah, i see. It all makes sense not. I'm a believer now. hallelujah

Praise hell satan. Oops, sorry, relaps.

Insha'Allah. No wait......salaam aleikum. Crap, still wrong.

Praise jesus.

Meh, close enough.


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Peter G's picture

how the giraffes made out when they debarked on Mount Ararat. They must have been pissed.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Beside it must been a bloody incest mess after that. o.O


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and went right into the act. That is why so many zoos today are able to have a pair.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Jack Camwell's picture

"god is an idiot"

Lol. Whenever fundamentalists look at me cross-eyed for "interpreting" the bible any other way than literally, I always bring up Jesus' line about cutting off our hands and gauging out our eyes.

"Did Jesus mean for us to do that literally?"

"Well, no . . ."

Pwns 'em every time.


"The greatest threat to freedom of thought is intellectual cowardice." -George Orwell, 1946

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Kreskin's picture
yup

Buffet style Christians .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

gentlefury's picture

House is destroyed in a natural disaster.....zealot nutjob response....god is testing me.....house isn't destroyed...God spared me.

It works both ways with these nuts.

Excelsior's picture
Yep

And there's always Satan as a backup. It's a religion designed to keep its followers little kids for eternity. No thanks, I like being an adult.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

This is just one of a dozen reasons why the Christ-cult disgusts me.

Why worship a God that wants to destroy you- and a god that doesn't even exist?

Funny how tornados/God's wrath tends to hit the red states, and stay clear of the blue states

Shalabi's picture

Really? It's funny when people whom you disagree with die?

Rich H's picture

because they've lost their jobs and can't pay rent.

Ape-Man's picture

?

Your question makes no sense.

He didn't say anything about anything being funny. He meant it is 'ironic'. Funny has many meaning of which you need to consider the context to understand.

We all understood Tom's comment, yet i take it his point has been lost on you. Not very bright Shal.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Excelsior's picture

People do that kind of thing all the time - taking a word or a comment the worst possible way just because they can. Childish and designed only to provoke.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

TheMeInTeam's picture

Here's a story I wish C&L or someone else would pursue: The Alberta/Holt neighborhood in Tuscaloosa that took a direct hit from the Tuscaloosa/Birmingham tornado was largely Hispanic, and it's highly likely that many undocumented immigrants were killed. Are they being counted in the death toll? Will relatives and friends come forward to identify the bodies or stay away out of fear of their immigration status being checked? All victims of these terrible storms deserve the same recognition and remembrance, regardless of their immigration status.

Ape-Man's picture

Ya, and what about all the thousands of people that are plunged into ruin, poverty and homelessness on a regular basis every single day now. They need some attention too.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

to spew its idiocy, there will be fear and superstition ruling the simple minded among us - and there's just enough of them to spontaneously combust or speak in tongues. Swear to gawd, it's enough to spin my twisted pairs!

Dateline Baghdad 2108's picture

Fucked up. In my wildest Aliester Crowley like LSD induced nightmares have I ever dreamed of a more sinister, vile, murderous, lying, hateful, vengeful being real or imagined, than the Christian god.

If I believed in this 'greatest lie ever told' my preference is to be thrown to internal damnation because if, I were to spend 5 minutes with this sky god creature I'd be beating the living shit out of it. The fire and brimstone that would rain down upon the planet would be the bits and pieces of this satanic thing.


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Excelsior's picture
Yep

At least Baal didn't pretend to be all-loving. You knew where you stood with Him!


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Shalabi's picture

Weather is not climate and vice versa as all liberals were screaming during the winter when the huge snow storms were going on.

NickDanger007's picture

But all the right wingers were claiming weather is climate, as they claim every winter during snowstorms. But forget when summer sets new heat records.


NickDanger007
"Loyalty to country, always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -- Mark Twain

...of why I am glad I don't live in the USA anymore.

of comments which prove those who leave can't wait to get back to chat.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Kreskin's picture

I envy you .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

Kreskin's picture

It's too bad a twister didn't suck Robertson up up up and away for good , he's a shyster , always has been , has to be outta his mind to even come up with the crap he does .


Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .

rjw918's picture

In the Genesis story of Sodom, the two men that the crowd wanted to "know" were angels: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=G...

So, presumably, Sodom was trashed for attempted angel rape

Thrillhouse's picture

I always want to offer a bit of a twist on Pascal's Wager to people who'd rather call a severe storm the wrath of God than call it a natural occurrence. Instead of the usual "What if God really does exist?" though, I want to make it "What if manmade global climate change really does exist? If so, then your actions could help prevent things from getting worse, or at least lessen the severity. If I'm wrong, and there is no manmade climate change (or there is and it's too late to turn things around), then you've merely given up a few, fleeting earthly pleasures, many of which were demonstrably unhealthy and unsustainable anyway." Of course, unlike with Pascal's Wager, we actually can show proof for one side of the climate change debate.

NickDanger007's picture

when the very part of the country that is most superstitious about their god gets smote. And you can be sure churches were destroyed--and that the members will say it strengthened their faith! Hilarious.


NickDanger007
"Loyalty to country, always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -- Mark Twain

ComradeAnon's picture

The prophets are prophesying lies in My Name; I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds."
In other words, Pat, STFU. (One shouldn't comment after a large top shelf margarita.)

NickDanger007's picture

Why doesn't god go after Las Vegas? Evidently they've paid him off.


NickDanger007
"Loyalty to country, always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it." -- Mark Twain

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Or Amsterdam :p


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Alerta_Alerta's picture

Oh for god sake, shut the motherfuck up. If there was a just god those feckers would be the first one to be denied heaven. Ask me why i hate religion....because of bastards like that. FU!

I know that not all religious people are like that, thank god.....or whoever.


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lorelei23's picture

This is just an excuse by these a**holes to avoid shelling out money/aid to the victims. "See, God doesn't like these people so I can safely ignore them."

This is so horrible, mean-spirited, cruel. I have to work really hard not to wish for "turnabout is fair play."

Excelsior's picture

I have to work really hard not to wish for "turnabout is fair play."

You don't have to wish for it. Karma works just fine on its own.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

dadams's picture

personally, i think it's all those dumb unmarried fornicators
having children out of wedlock. god just won't have it any longer.
just as good a reason as all the religious right wrong blaming
every minority in the country for anything that goes wrong or
not their way.

RAM's picture

I'm trying to get my head around the concept of God smiting folks down in the Bible belt to teach someone or other a lesson about...what, exactly? Are they supposed to become the anit-Bible belt? Or are they supposed to march forth and impose their will on the rest of us? That didn't work out so good for them back in 1861. I'm not sure how frightened godless secularists up in Illinois or Massachusetts will become due to tornadoes destroying huge swaths of the former Confederacy. Beisner and his odious ilk are bastards pure and simple.

Peter G's picture

an inordinate hatred of children. He kills more of them daily with disease and war and hunger than one would have expected from the most demented psychopath.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

Alerta_Alerta's picture

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Peter G's picture

those bastards in Darfur a thing or two.


Hasa Diga Eebowai

ricky's picture

Like those awesome tides, man. They like, go in, then out. Then in, then...


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Hehe, you can't explain that. :D


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Peter G's picture

you'd know that the power of positive thinking causes that and keeps tornadoes away too.


Hasa Diga Eebowai


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Disappointed, they didn't jump a fecking shark. :s


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ricky's picture

or the Cougar paying their bills?


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Her name was Fonzie? Yeah, guess so.


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Long Tooth's picture

It wasn't God's wrath.

It was Satan's response to the prayers of his liberal disciples.

You just have to think it through.

Geazer's picture

I read somewhere that 40% of Americans blamed God for the tsunami in Japan, too.


"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Well, it's a late response to pearl harbor. Gawd, he's slacking.


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The Tsunami was for those damned sticky Toyota accelerators.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Alerta_Alerta's picture

Yeah, but the stuck accelerators was for Srebrenica.


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FreeThought's picture

Ok, what these batshit crazy cloud spook maroons are trying to do is fulfill what THEY beleive the bible is telling them! They want: armageddon, rapture, return of jeebus, and whatever else their delusional grey matter desires. And they're willing destroy the earth to get it! Their bellicose behaviour may be invoked subconsciously or consciously or both... I don't know. It's time to fight them! We can start by burning their goddamn churches... oh, and try not to hurt anybody.


Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.

thebewilderness's picture

Some of these folks learned a long time ago that God hates you raises a lot more money than Jesus loves you.
No true Scotsman Christian would bear false witness against God the way these minions of mammon do.

Crustyolcarpenter's picture

distant warning of our piss poor stewardship of our planet.


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Party politics are not only undemocratic, they are antidemocratic.

ricky's picture

.


“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder

Jeanne's picture

Tell that to the parents of the three month old baby found in a field. I've been through a tornado. It was one of the few times I saw my dad scared. This is a man who flew through hurricanes to measure them during WW11. I don't think he considered the tornado spinning over our house God's wrath.


Jeanne

Alerta_Alerta's picture

WW11? are you from the future or something?


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Dabb's picture

You know what the poster meant.

Alerta_Alerta's picture

I'm a unnecessary evil. Deal with it.


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Dabb's picture

You are hateful huh?

but then who gives a damn.

btw..............that should be "AN unnecessary evil". Deal with it.

Excelsior's picture

Oh LIGHTEN UP, for gods' sakes.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

cycle3man's picture

The god loving "INSANOS" are alive and well!
And that sure is sad! Pushin' their BULL SHIF"

Dabb's picture

I agree the deep south is mostly conservative. However, this was a tragedy. And it seems some of these comments are just as insane as the Bible thumpers.

These people suffered terribly. And I don't believe it had anything to do with God's wrath. And I'm a Christian. .... a liberal Christian ... how about that huh? We exist.

Please don't criticize these people or make fun of them. They are our neighbors. They are Americans. They are college students, seniors, poor, children...and yes some rich. But no one deserves what happened there.

"...maybe they're onto something with this whole "God's retribution" bit." What a terrible thing to say, Mr. Neiwert.

Alerta_Alerta's picture

"Please don't criticize these people or make fun "

Oh, i will if they say fuck bollocks like that.


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Dabb's picture

You really are evil. Surely though you will not need assistance or concern if the next tornado turns on you are your home.

Ape-Man's picture

We are, for the most part, just making fun of the money grubbing shills that are making a mockery of Christianity by blaming acts of nature on whatever they chose to, in order to make political points and keep the money rolling in. Your point is valid - nobody should be making fun of the individuals traumatized by these events. Personally i wish we could pay more attention to helping people that are losing everything, including their lives, due to acts of congress - and we can do something to prevent those tragedies.


"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-

Dabb's picture

I agree. My concern is as much about what has been taken from these people by the tornado as by what has been and will continue to be taken away by the government.

FreeThought's picture

conservatives (repugs) are climate change deniers. Does that ring a bell for you... huh?


Their homeworld was a place called Earth, located in an uninteresting part of the galaxy. They had an expression: pride goeth before a fall. Their pride was their undoing. I know. I was there....They did not listen, of course. Arrogant men never do.

Dabb's picture

I know that. And it doesn't take a bell to know that. geeeez

moraltrumpslegal's picture
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That was written in an extremely sardonic tone. I certainly didn't intend to suggest "they had it coming" -- rather, this entire post was about poking fun at people who seems to think that various natural-disaster victims "had it coming". That last line was directed at the right-wing evangelists who like to find God's retribution in every bad thing that happens on the planet. Remember all the right-wing preachers who thought Katrina was God's retribution for New Orleans' sinfulness? Now they're doing it here too -- in the heart of the Bible Belt.

I thought it was clear, but I should have known better. Irony is hard.

Hawkeye's picture

"Now we have r[the] religious-right---claiming that they know what did cause those tornadoes: in fact, the storms were a product of God's wrath and an expression of his judgment."

O really? How interesting!

If I remember correctly, Mississippi and Alabama are in the heart of the Bibler Belt -- the most God-friendly area in this country. If true, then one could say that God is venting his spleen against those who love him the most -- or say they do. I guess that it is clean pool -- God venting his spleen against the rest of us sinners against the biggest mass of hypocrites that he has in the world.

Bob Shin's picture

So then what's the excuse for this? Bad aim?
http://www.registerstar.com/articles/2011/04/...

Mr. Green Jeans's picture

How brainwashed do people need to be to believe this puss bucket? Enough to make him a multi-millionare.


"Let's talk dirty to the animals"

Steel Pickle's picture

Dear Pat,

If what you say is true, and the U.S. is becoming a modern day Sodom, then why is this God continually punishing your power base? Why hasn't God tried to wipe out San Francisco or Boston? Maybe you are in the wrong?

Excelsior's picture

You'd think more of his base would have cottoned onto this by now.


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

ckerstann's picture

I like the idea that god is a psychotic mass murderer that kills random people just because he's feeling ignored.
Babies, women, the elderly he slaughters them all for an ego boost. Nice religion you've got there.

Excelsior's picture
Nah

God is a kid with an ant farm. Every now and then he gets bored and picks up his magnifying glass to see how many of his pets he can fry.

Oh wait...


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Ed-words's picture

Never mind Frisco and NYC. Why doesn't God punish Las Vegas?

Too much for ya, God ol' boy?


Ed-words

Excelsior's picture

I will explain...No, there is too much. I will sum up.

Global warming definitely exists, and I think it's God's work. I think God built the capacity for climate change right into the planet as a punishment to mankind should we ever ACT LIKE ASSHOLES WITH THE PLANET. "Of course I'm gonna tell them they have to take care of their home, but just in case they decide not to, I'll make it so it turns into Hell if they don't."

I mean really, doesn't that sound just like Him?


There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits

Fedupwithitall's picture

I will not give a lot of detail to protect other people's privacy, but I have a family member who lost everything in the tornado in the South. She believes in reincarnation, love, peace, and all sorts of things that MANY PEOPLE IN MANY PLACES do not believe in. She reads this website often. I'm just thankful she has no way to read it now. She cried out to higher beings to protect her during this storm, but she also knows that if this was her time to go according to her soul contract, she would have been taken. She is a highly evolved, highly intelligent being that in no shape form or fashion deserved what has happened to her, but it happened. I had to stop reading comments because I know that this is exactly what she says dark forces are hoping to accomplish. The spread of hate, fear, and discord is exactly what all dark forces, whether you call them demons or satan, bad human-beings, or whatever, this is what they hope to accomplish. I know many of you will think what I say is crazy and to each his own. I respect your beliefs, and I don't care if people think I'm crazy, but instead of arguing, do something. Send love and light to those who are less evolved and refuse to see the light. Send love and light to those who have been injured, lost everything, lost loved ones, lost their lives. Many beings are having a hard time transitioning because of the quickness and tragedy of this event. I could go on, but I won't. I send love and light to everyone. Things have to change, and as Ghandi has said we must all be that change we want to see in this world (not a direct quote). Anyone who wants to blast me, feel free to do so. I send you love and light and love and peace. Blessings to you all.

bluefeather's picture

The first bit of kindness and sanity I've read on this post....It matters not what you believe in ...what matters is Human Beings, our Brothers and Sisters are hurting....Please be Kind... let yourself be a catalyst to the healing process...do something.....


Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

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