Beck's 'Civilest War' is a revival of 1990s militia-movement 'constitutionalism'
By David Neiwert Friday May 15, 2009 9:15am
You may have seen the Fox promos for Glenn Beck's program later today, all about how you, too, can help free the country from the tyranny of "the Fed". Beck calls it "the Civilest War," and he compares it to The Matrix:
In the movie the hero is offered two pills: red to learn the truth about the Matrix; blue to go on living blissfully ignorant to what is really going on.
The way to take our country back will short-circuit the Matrix we are living in. And it has to do with gun rights, state's rights and what I call the civilest war.
No doubt it will be another exercise in right-wing populism. But what most of the attendees -- and probably not even Beck himself -- will be aware of is that the ideas Beck is promoting at this event originated with the far-right Patriot/militia in the 1990s, all about asserting "state sovereignty" in a radical way first devised by radical-right "constitutionalists".
Beck's adoption of these idea originated, apparently, at the April 20 "tea parties," when a Montana legislator appeared on Fox to talk about his legislation -- actually signed into law by Montana's governor -- that asserted that any guns made in Montana could not be regulated by the federal government. Since then, other states have adopted the measure -- and are, moreover, following in the footsteps of those same Montana legislators, who subsequently have been proposing legislation taking this particularly ball even farther down the field:
Along with the gun bill, Montana legislators are considering a resolution that affirms the 10th Amendment principle that the federal government only has those powers that are specifically given to it by the U.S. Constitution.
“The whole goal is to awaken the people so that we can return to a properly grounded republic,” Rep. Michael More, R-Gallatin Gateway and the Montana resolution’s sponsor, said at a House committee hearing Wednesday.
As many as fifteen other Legislatures have also been mulling resolutions that buck federal control in states such as New Hampshire, South Carolina, Missouri and Oklahoma.
This fired up Beck's imagination, who hosted the following segment on his Fox News show earlier this month, on May 8:
Beck, you see, believes that this legislation will be the spark that sets a grassfire that will burn up the federal government. Lotsa luck with that -- especially considering its origins.
This legislation is neither new nor innovative. It was first proposed in the 1990s by Charles Duke, then a Republican state senator from Colorado. Duke's blueprint has been picked up by all of these would-be legislative insurgents. If you look, for example, at the Minnesota effort, you'll find that Duke's thinking is guiding them on this.
A Colorado electrician turned politician, Charles Duke was truly the militiaman's representative. Serving six years in the state House and almost four in the state Senate, the Republican from Monument was also honorary chairman of the National State Sovereignty Coalition, a Patriot outfit. He wrote a weekly column for a key Patriot publication, The Free American.
Duke once outraged constituents by asking a crowd how many thought the federal government was behind the Oklahoma City bombing. He told The Wall Street Journal that "an executive order is being prepared by President Clinton to suspend the Bill of Rights." He suggested that GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich was involved in bugging his home. And he tried to broker an end to the Montana Freeman standoff.
Then came an epiphany. After a summer in a cabin hidden deep in the woods, Duke emerged to say "the Lord God almighty" had suggested that he drop out of politics and instead learn "how to survive in a country devoid of freedom."
For a time, he did. But last year, he was spotted at "America's Tea Party 2000," a kind of conspiracy theorists' convention.
As you can see, the "Tea Party" idea isn't exactly new, either. But even more disturbing was how Duke went about promoting his proposals. The Anti-Defamation League has a rundown:
Duke, a Republican State Senator in Colorado, has spoken at rallies of far-right anti-government activists and has made supportive statements about the activities of militia groups. Duke has been described as a leader of the Tenth Amendment Movement, which refers to a provision of the Constitution that addresses the relationship between the Federal Government and the states. According to The Wall Street Journal, the Tenth Amendment Movement is "an amalgam of small-town populists, gun enthusiasts, old Ross Perot supporters and private militias who share a deep distrust, almost a hatred of the Federal government."
Duke has stated: "The few militia people I know practice a policy of nonviolence... not altogether different from a Boy Scout kind of idea."
He has described himself as a "zealot" and a "revolutionary."
At a meeting of far-right activists in July 1994, Duke said: "We need some ability to get some firepower to protect the citizens. I would like to see a militia... [the type] that functions as a sheriff's posse and has sufficient training."
... In March 1995, he was a featured speaker at the Voice of Liberty Patriots conference in Atlanta, Georgia. The event was planned by Rick Tyler, a leader in the anti-tax Constitutionalist movement, who has told listeners of his shortwave radio show that government agencies are "ruthless, they are cunning, they are cutthroat, and furthermore, we are their target."
In June 1994, Duke spoke at a conference sponsored by the Kansas-based "Constitutionists," whose leader, Evan Meacham, is the impeached former governor of Arizona. Duke promoted the formation of militias as an effective way for citizens to protect themselves from the government.
In June 1995, he attended a Nevada Sovereignty Committee conference in Las Vegas, where he harshly criticized the federal government: "The tyranny of King George is alive and well and living in America today."
Most notably, Duke found an ardent following with the white-supremacist Christian Identity movement, appearing on the movement's main shortwave radio program and submitting to interviews with its newspaper, The Jubilee:
Duke was a featured guest on The Jubilee's shortwave program, "NewsLight," when he promoted the Tenth Amendment Resolution. The Jubilee is a bi-monthly newspaper filled with anti-Semitic, racist and anti-government rhetoric. The newspaper is also affiliated with the Identity movement, which identifies whites of European ancestry as the "true chosen people," blacks as "mud people" and Jews as "Satan's spawn."
Duke was scheduled to be a featured speaker at The Jubilee's 1994 "Jubilation Celebration" conference. He backed out at the last minute.
Duke also was brought out to Jordan, Montana, in 1996 during the 81-day FBI standoff with the Montana Freemen to negotiate, since he was one of the few public officials the Freemen trusted. Duke failed, though of course the Freemen eventually surrendered peacefully anyway.
I described these negotiations in my book In God's Country: The Patriot Movement and the Pacific Northwest (in Chapter 10):
Charles Duke is a balding, bespectacled 53-year-old with a mild middle-aged paunch who could pass for a your neighborhood Amway salesman (or Kenneth Starr’s brother). In Colorado, he had built his name as a constitutionalist who trumpeted the common-law courts’ cause in the state Legislature, as well as proposing a ``10th Amendment resolution’’ meant to underscore states’ rights. He held an impromptu press conference in Billings on Wednesday, briefly stopping over before flying on to Harrison to pick up Karl Ohs, and then returning to Jordan that afternoon.
His jacket slung over his shoulder, Duke seemed to relish the attention, especially since he was seeking the Republican nomination for the open U.S. Senate seat in Colorado. But he remained low-key: ``I may strike out too,’’ he said. ``I don’t want to kid you.’’
The next day, Duke walked into the compound with Karl Ohs and two FBI agents at his side. They met the Freemen at a little rise on the edge of the ranch, next to the driveway. The FBI brought three folding chairs, but the four Freemen -- Skurdal, Jacobi, Landers and Edwin Clark -- declined to sit. They talked for an hour and forty minutes, then went home. There were handshakes at the end.
The next day, Duke and the agents brought a card table and seven folding chairs. This time, everyone sat and talked. At one point, Edwin Clark stood up and turned away from the table, but did not leave. Afterward, Duke told the assembled reporters that ``we’re not close enough that I can see the end yet.’’ The talks, he said, were ``horribly complex,’’ involving ``probably thirty or forty major issues.’’
At one point, Edwin Clark explained to Duke his chief fear about surrendering: If the Freemen gave up, he feared, they would be killed by being injected with cancer-causing toxins. He told an anecdote apparently relayed to them by LeRoy Schweitzer from prison, referring to Schweitzer’s brief hunger strike when he spent a few days at a Missouri facility: ``When he went to Missouri, a man, a doctor from New York City come in and told LeRoy, he says, ‘You’ll never see the light of day.’ And he says, ‘I’ll guarantee you before you leave here I’m gonna inject you with a deadly, uh, dose of cancer.’’
And Clark alleged there were other jailhouse druggings of Patriots. ``I know two of them, one of them at least, he was as healthy as a fucking horse when he went in there, and he came back ... there was another, I can’t remember his name, they, they gave him a lethal dose of ‘no brains’ when he come back.’’
Russell Landers, Duke’s onetime acolyte, was even more belligerent. ``I can tell you right now I’m not the kind of damn fool that’s going to lay over,’’ he told Duke. ``We’re not here in this logistically defendable position as fools. We’re guerrilla warfare, and I’m sorry, Charlie, but I feel very strongly about this, but they can take their fucking warrants and shove ‘em right up their asses where that thirty-ought-six of mine is gonna drill ‘em.’’
After three days of negotiations, Duke announced a breakthrough on a ``major issue’’ that he thought could bring about a surrender. As he described it, the Freemen had finally put something on the table on their own, a break from the talks’ one-sidedness.
``It’s their proposal, that’s what makes it positive,’’ Duke said. ``In the past I’ve seen the FBI put something on the table, give a little, give a little, give a little. They’ve actually been very creative in the items they’ve placed on the table. Up until today we’ve had very little in the way of response. But that changed today.’’
The FBI was more circumspect, only emphasizing that no agreement had been reached. They already had seen how reliable the Freemen’s word was. In the meantime, they erected a canopy at the roadside meeting site. The sun was out, and the Montana spring already was getting warm.The first break in the talks came on the fourth day of Duke’s negotiations, when Gloria and Elwin Ward brought Gloria’s two daughters to the canopy to talk about getting out. Risking the wrath of the hard-core faction, they asked if Utah officials’ earlier offer to drop the custody charges still stood. The FBI said they would ask. Russell Landers stood off to one side with the girls and Duke while Gloria Ward and the agents talked.
Apparently, the threat of losing the protection of the little girls made the Freemen pull in their horns. The next day, only Edwin
Clark and Landers came out to meet with the negotiators, and they arrived fifteen minutes late. The agents handed them a sheaf of papers and after only forty minutes, they returned inside.The next day, May 21, it all blew up. Only Rodney Skurdal came out to meet the agents, and he only came out to announce that the deals were off. Duke exploded at him, as Skurdal crept back inside a waiting vehicle. ``You aren’t man enough to come face me! Get out of that car!’’ the beet-red Duke shouted.
At Media Hill, Duke was still crimson-faced. ``I told him, ‘I’m going to go out of here and I’m going to tell the American people what you’re doing here. You will not get support from the Patriot community, you will not get support from the militia community and if you die, nobody’s going to avenge you.’ ’’ Only a handful of the Freemen inside believed in the cause, he said, and ``the rest are nothing but criminals trying to escape prosecution.’’ Duke was especially indignant about their continuing grip on the fate of the three children inside: ``One can only conclude that the adults inside care only for their safety and care not one whit for the safety of their children, because they’re willing to sacrifice them and use them as a shield,’’ he said. Duke flew back to Colorado that afternoon.
Duke briefly resurfaced in Colorado in 2007, but quietly receded to the background again.
However, his legacy lives on -- thanks to a handful of right-wing legislators, and especially Glenn Beck and Fox News.








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you are a goddamn traitor.
I think I may convert to xtianity so then I can start praying for your demise.
I side with him. I a gun lovin' tobacco spitten,4 wheel drive riden' american that fears this government. Go back to new york. Where the hell is ellis island. Why are all these forigners in are country,the hell with fair trade,nafta and nato.
Where is my America and my GOD given rights of being a American!
I plan on exercising my Bill oF Rights!
Is/has anyone been listening to Ron Paul??
Bad comedy?
is this why FOX is belittling the FBI over the torture issue?
They are fomenting insurrection...and when the FBI cracks down on them, they are expecting their mindless viewers to rally to their aid?
teabags?
HA!
I scoff at thee beck
What a screwball reply. Crack down on WHAT? We ARE the government buddy.. sorry.
i agree with beck on one thing, we are living in "the matrix".
and please, all good christians, it is time to implement "operation: spayed fox",
any imprecatory prayer will suffice.
fyi, as an atheist now seeing the writing on the wall, i am already preparing myself with a good dose of mark4 film classics as well as anything by the ormonds post-1969.
i highly recommend you review these great educational guides.
jhwh-1 lives!
An Unlawful Enemy Combatant.
isn't he?
I think so and you think so but only the president can declare him one! Litte unitary exec power of the party of the GWB
He'll get his one day...
i see'em walking the streets all the time and the rollers just roll on by.
his production staff has had to get all dynamic with the in-studio camera work to keep the magpies fascinated with their 'shiny thing' (I think the shine is from the foil haberdashery...)
these FOX morons are going to create a firestorm, and the result will be having simpletons like Beck and O'Reilly hauled off to a federal penitentiary.
I will relish the day I see those two assclowns...and Hannity and Rush and the rest of these traitorous dirtbags...in the bracelets.
at my house on that glorious day!
The only thing that is traitorous is you people acting like totalitarians and aiding and abetting this government to do the same.
Freedom of speech for no one but your own is what we aren't going to let you get away with.
I would take all my guns out to the range, and fire off one round in celebration for each year they are sentenced to prison.
these Freudian slips tell us so much about these loons.
Repressed homosexuality or an unmitigated sense of sexual inadequacy? Discuss...
first of all...how can someone like Beck have issues with sexual inadequacy? I mean...you have to have at least attempted to have sex first...right?...and I mean with like a live partner...not simply yourself, a piece of knotty pine, barn animals or your kid sister's Betsy Wetsy.
repressed homosexuals WITH an unmitigated sense of sexual inadequacy.
I mean undeveloped genitalia is sooo sad!
beck can't help it, just because his penis is an "innie" doesn't give us the right to point and laugh in a rude and mocking manner.
But I am gonna doit anyways.
Sorry that's not going to work anymore.
Demonizing, and guilt by association, NOT GONNA WORK.
So, when is he going to start using V for Vendetta as a rallying cry for government oppression? lol
Don't give him any ideas!
That's the best use of an interjection I've seen in a loooooong time! I can totally hear you!
Thanks, of course, it would take months for the idea to stop bouncing around that empty skull of his long enough to actually be put into action.
But still...let's not let him use that awesome movie for his BS.
And he'd never stop realize that he has more than a passing resemblance to the venal Lewis Prothero, the talk-show host of 'V'.
Prothero was a good deal smarter than beck, they do share more than a few traits.
The irony would evade beck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flBpsyFbEOs
oh Wrong Beck? We'll if the lyrics fit...
back in '96, the authorities tried to arrest the "Vipers" militia group.
The Vipers returned the police fire with a diciplined barrage that killed three cops and, uh... what?
Oh; never mind. They meekly surrendered and sorta wet their pants and stuff.
FREEEE DUMB!
http://www.emergency.com/AZ-viper.htm
I grew up in Winslow and lived all over AZ, got my first bachelor's degree from ASU. You'll never see quality asocial crazies like you will in Arizona. One of my brothers was married to a crazy meth head who left him for a guy who called himself the "Lord of the High Desert," seriously!! They act all bad, but they are really pretty pathetic.
The self rightous "dick" as Bill Maher says is all about his rating. He really doesn't care about the USA. If he did he would come up with something rational.
Why in the hell does this goddamned Beck seem to have guns and militias as the centerpiece of much of his programming? There is something very wrong with that man.
War." And what Beck is doing is truly vile.
This shit is sedition, isn't it? So why isn't he being investigated?
Glenn Beck: Patron Saint for paranoid bigots frightened by the constant (black)voices tormenting them day and night. I honest believe Beck want to see people shot because they're liberal.
then glenn beck must support iowa's decision to allow gay marriage, right? i mean, it is the state's right to make that decision, right glenn?
fuckwads like glenn beck only support state rights when said state is pushing for rightwing legislation. it is that simple.
Beck would then hide behind his religion.
.
Do not underestimate the powers of the double secret Mormon underpants!
Where were these people when the GOP was in power? Seems like they just want to quit and take their ball home.
Fuck 'em. These people don't seem to get that the Sons of Liberty were not protesting taxation or any other laws passed by Parliament in London, but rather the lack of representation- a voice and a platform with which they could plead their case and cast their votes with their brothers and cousins - in that body.
We were here doing the same thing. But since the press is controlled, the mind-numbed masses did not see.. but now they do and it just reached a tipping point what with the current communist/globalist/elitist takeover of our country.
I don't recall any post I've read at C&L that encouraged a militia movement, that appealed to racism and nationalism, based on revisionist history.
What I've seen is an effort to support progressive candidates in their runs against regressives of any political party. I've seen posts here on peaceful demonstration against government policy. I've never seen John, David, Nicole, Logan, Silent Patriot, Susie or any other blogger who has posted at this site in the years I've been reading suggest that we should act like the Sons of Liberty. And you know why those bloggers don't raise that revolutionary imagery? BECAUSE LOSING ELECTIONS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS HAVING NO RIGHT TO VOTE.
The right for a say in their government is what the founding fathers were fighting for. These wingnuts act as though they have none because they couldn't convince the rest of us to agree with their views.
I don't mind if they shout until they are blue in the face though. But when they start picking up guns to nullify elections, they've gone too far. And that is the path Beck and his friends are on.
Of course none of these things existed 6 months ago. Obama just came in and made sweeping changes that violated state rights. Oh wait. Yes they did and No he didn't. So why is Beck only bent out of shape about this now?
This states attempting to undo Federal law seems a lot like "nullification" which was one of the stepping stones to succession and civil war.
It was also one of the stepping stones to the American Revolution.
who felt asleep in both history and English classes.
LOL.
yessiree! I think you are correct, sir!
Ok, dipshit, what was so different? The general case was the same. A distant central government was issuing laws that the locals hated. All through the 1760s and 1770s they tried and tried and tried to "nullify" those laws one way or another. It didn't work out and the colonies seceded sparking a war.
the outcome, the historical precedence, the justification, etc... there is no "difference" between the American Revolution, the American Civil War, and the bullshit this idiot Beck is proposing (and by proxy your idol, as you seem to have as a target to match his level of idiocy).
Damn, you are almost as [Deleted-Sitemonitor] as Beck. The things you [Deleted-Sitemonitor] latch onto about Montana, et al. are legitimate concerns by state governments. But you latch onto the messenger, a loser like Beck, to shit all over the message.
Are you doing drugs this early in the day, or you are watching the Disney channel. Who brought Hanna Montana into this fray?
monarchy vs representative democracy
citizens vs subjects
The American Revolution was about representation in Parliament, which the founding fathers did not have.
The secessionist southern states had representation in Congress. These current secessionist asshats have representation in Congress. They simply don't have all the power they'd like.
First off, no one is seceding in the near future. Secondly, do you really feel represented by Congress or your so-called representatives in Congress?
And in the case of nullification before the civil war, the complaint was that Congress didn't have the power to issue those laws constitutionally.
The people in Montana and elsewhere are trying to make that same case. Most of what the federal government does these days is unconstitutional.
your response is just whining. "ooooh...I have no power."
Do you have performance issues too?
I don't want power over other people. But I also want no one to have power over me.
Why do you want power over me?
Having to clean up after you on a constant basis, no thanks... ugh.
Or do you still have nightmares that the big bad black man in the white house is going to come for your women. LOL.
You wingnuts were mighty silent when Bush was wiping the constitution with his ass on a daily basis.
My women? You are totally [Deleted-Sitemonitor].
"your sheep" sorry... won't happen again.
Who's the sheep?
Why can't you realize that Bush and Obama are puppets in the same regime?
Wake the fuck up.
And yet another joke that flies over your feeble head at supersonic speeds.
Tell you what, get a grasp of basic concepts like humor. And then you can come and lecture us about far more complex subjects like historical precedents, current political events, etc.
Deal?
I think the educated response would have been "WHOSE sheep?"
... not their own facts.
You wingnuts seems to have a tad of an issue grasping that concept. But it is understandable, given the seemingly flaming liberal bias of reality.
I am more of a liberal than you'll ever be.
Why do you want power over me?
Freudian slips in this small sub-thread, I can only come up with a single suggestion: seek help.
Cheers!
As a matter of fact, I do. I voted for both of my senators.
Now while I've never voted for the Republican who represents my district, and I disagree with nearly every vote he's ever made, the majority of active voters in my district feel differently. But because I disagree with him doesn't mean i see him as illegitimately occupying his seat in the House, and I'm not going to foment insurrection in my district simply because I was out-voted.
Beck saw an opening and he filled it. Since he is even stranger than Billo there was a segment of the population that he saw he could appeal to. Does he believe all this bull that he talks about? I don't know but he's stirring a dangerous brew. If anything he says results in someone getting hurt, you can bet Beck will be no where in sight and will take no responsibility for any of it.
With a zillion guns out there and many of them in the hands of people who take Beck's words as gospel, this is frightening.
Fox News is kinda like pro wrestling....and Glen Beck is Fox's George "the Animal" Steele.
Millionaire Beck who's taxes are going up under Obama does not own a gun I'd wager, but he knows to get the idiot gun nut conservative base riled up to vote against their own tax cuts and their own best interests.
not because they work harder than the rest of us, but rather because they get the rest of us to work hard for them.
I don't blame Beck, Why do your own dirty work when you have plenty of morons all to happy and willing to do it for you?
Beck and Foxaganda are enemies of the state calling for revolution and secession because an American election didn't go their way.
and also...calling for revolution and secession, because there's a scary black man in the white house.
I think millionaires Hannity, Beck and Limpballs are doing this not because they are racists...though well they may be...but because they know they can con the racists into voting against their own best interests. No coincidence the least educated and most shit poor states are the most conservative.
Beck's guest are some nutty looking white dudes.
Ha ha. Don't they know that the way the commerce clause is interpreted means that the government can regulate anything and everything. Hey kid, mowing that lawn is interstate commerce. Hey, little girl, that lemonade stand is interstate commerce.
If these people think that the federal government will start following the constitution, they are totally delusional.
The 10th is modified by all subsequent amendments too. Interstate commerce is just one provision that limits "states' rights". Equal protection in the 14th is the biggest one. Also Congress has authority to establish any law "necessary and proper" to provide for the "general welfare of the United States". (Article I, section 8)
Furthermore, specifically mentioned in Section 8 is a clause which might be of interest to anyone attempting to develop a "militia" that he/she thinks has Constitutional basis:
Congress shall have the power "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
So, as long as your militia will follow discipline handed down by Congress and will be governed by Nancy Pelosi et al. in service of the United States, by all means, form a well-organized militia.
in front of his tv audience? There is no other rational explanation for the shit that comes out of his mouth.
he's on meth
seriously.
that can't be proven.
He does appear to have issues though.
but yeah...SERIOUS issues for sure.
He is acting like a classic case of Oxycodone addict (the main ingredient of Oxycontin):
Running nose and eyes
Heavy sweating
Insomnia
Anxiety
Paranoia
Depression
Altered mental states
Confusion
Light headedness
Constipation
Dry mouth
and ends up skinny as a rail (he was fatter) your assessment will pretty much be confirmed.
:)
Rush and Beck, what tertiary syphilis was to Hitler?
In both cases, the ailment that initially caused their lunacy (which was unleashed upon the rest of the innocent world) it is also what eventually did them in. At least I hope these are the last lashes of a dying crazed beast...
The backed up shit is flowing out of his mouth so he's definitely constipated.
Constipation of the brain, diarrhea of the mouth.
He hasn't been taking his anti-psychotic medication.
Should be punishable by immediate death.
Geraldo?
in this science fiction book I read once...
I once read that it's possible to read TOO much.
Nice shirt Harold . . .
Couldn't we just allow the southeastern states to secede again? The sane people living there who want to move out could sell to the crazies who want to move in and the crazies in other parts of the continent could sell to the sane people who want to move out. Or maybe just trade. They could build their wall to keep Latinos out and we could build a wall to keep them out. They can have guns and laissez-faire capitalism, we can have health care and day care and pensions and family leave and most of all, peace.
Would you be retaining the same federal government? If so, I don't see how you could ever have peace.
Why isnt he speaking out against the feds having spent trillions of tax dollars in an objectiveless war in Iraq???
This is just another attempt to smear the target but it's not going to work.
No one ever heard of this guy so to bring him up as an example of what is going on today has absolutely NO RELEVANCE to the fact that all kinds of people from all parties and walks of life are rising up in a revolution that will NOT be quelled.
Just look at the organization in NH http://concord.reteaparty.com and you will see how the grassroots is forming -- and they aren't waiting for the GOP to do anything either.
Demonization? You betcha! Is it going to work to turn people off to what is going on? HELL NO!
Hahahahaha.
This will never pass judicial muster. Over a 50 years or so ago, a similar argument was made and rejected by SCOTUS involving a small diary farmer in middle America (Wisconsin?) who produced and sold milk but only locally. SCOTUS said the feds could regulate it because it affected interstate commence by negatively affecting the volume, etc of diary products sold outside the state.
BTW, if a similar argument were made to allow, for example, California to grow and sell marijuana only within its borders, these same loons (and the feds) would be apoplectic and demand that the federal government step in and override California's state interests.
Nice try, Glen, using this silly story to try to make more money for yourself by selling ads.
i'm cool with that. your blog, i am just a player
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Representative Democracy?
You're joking right? I guess, if you're a bank exec or a lobbyist, you're getting represented real well. So far, I'm 40k in the hole while my "representatives" are bailing out these insolvent banks in what we now know is a failed banking system. Germany, Japan, China, India... and god knows who else just got all your money. The people were 1:200 against the bailout. Who were they representing? It's hillarious how this illusion of democracy was clear as hell a year ago and now when youre guy is in office youre all ignorant as fuck.
It was on this site where most of you were reciting the Constitution and what laws the President was breaking or Congress were breaking when the illegal wiretapping or Patriot Act were being voted on or we were fighting an unConstitutional war.
Now you have your guy in office and are ignorant of all the things that Obama is and isn't doing... like repealing all of those unConstitional pieces of trash.
I'll agree, Beck is a fake. He's a fraud and he's riding the wave and taking Ron Paul's ideals to the extreme. Fox is doing it just because it goes against everything Obama stands for.
You shouldnt let that cloud your judgement. Obama hasnt followed through on any of his promises... he's continued Bush's policies from wars, the economy, and now the stripping of our civil liberties.
You should be thanking the militia's, the constitutionalists, the exSoldiers who bled for you overseas, who now pick up arms and now defend your rights domestically... because when they arent there, who else will the be? you?
Good luck with that.
I'm sure all those Christian Patriots are really interested in defending my rights. I'll throw in with Scalia and Thomas before I figure Charles Duke or any other militia nut has got my rights in mind.
if we really did think they had our rights in mind, with special consideration of how much they love a site like this, that we would really then be classified as ignorant fucks?
So you are going to use the extremists to make your point? Yes, there are some crazies that do things for their own reason, which is the case for whatever crap anyone wants to get into.
It's like Fox making universal healthcare sound like it's bad because you ahve to wait to be seen in the emergency room, or some other crap. It's the same here... and if you have a real emergency, they rush you... like the do here. But because of a few bad cases and a lot of monetary support by their corporate buds, it's so evil.
You have people who are preparing to defend the peoples rights and because of a few kooks, people want to undermine the movement or label it extremism.
I think Scalia should be hung for treason, I dont give a fuck about the other 2... they have the right to think/say what the fuck they want. if they are hurting ppl because of their religion or color, then obviously they dont care about the ppl and I dont care what they stand for... but until they do hurt someone, whatver.
He's damn right it's a puppet show, it's a puppet show orchestrated by the corporatists to drum up an astroturf movement made up of those who would actually be hurt by the class warfare the corporations have been waging on us...
Man I wish I were dictator , the great decider and Chief , there would be a purge that's for damn sure .
The major problem with State's Rights is that state and local politicians are even bigger blockheads than their federal counterparts.
but then, KKK outfits look pretty fucking stupid too - until they're lynching someone or burning crosses in front yards or bombing churches. Then it's not quite so funny.
These people are dangerous, and we belittle them at our own risk.
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