Fox's War on Global Warming continues.
Yesterday, both Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity featured segments on their Fox shows jumping on the climate-change denialists' latest fake controversy: the bogus claim that climate scientist Phil Jones' interview with the BBC somehow included admissions that global warming isn't real.
Beck's teaser called it "the biggest scam of the generation," and wondered: "Anybody seen Al Gore?"
Beck himself claimed that Jones suggested that another warming period recorded in Europe during the Middle Ages was as deep as the current period, but that there was no consensus on whether the warming was global:
Phil Jones admits, yes, no real consensus on this one. Too much debate on whether an event known as the medieval warming period, yes, was global in nature and hotter than it is like right now.
So, to quote, obviously, the late 20th century was not unprecedented. Oh, good.
Beck also argues that the Jones interview should cause every government in the world to halt their efforts toward curbing greenhouse gases: "If this were about science, wouldn't science matter just a little bit?"
Hannity repeated all of Beck's claims. Hannity sneered that Al Gore should be happy that he doesn't have to feel guilty about "hopping on that private jet anymore."
But as Media Matters points out, their characterizations of Jones' BBC interview are typically misleading.
Most of the points they cite are distorted: Jones, for instance says that the Middle Age cooling is only significant it could be shown to have been global in nature.
Moreover, he also says that the cause of previous warming periods differs from "recent warming," which is "predominantly manmade":
During his Q&A with BBC, Jones stated that "the warming rates" of previous warming periods after 1860 are "similar and not statistically significantly different" from the most recent warming period. Jones was later asked, "If you agree that there were similar periods of warming since 1850 to the current period, and that the WMP is under debate, what factors convince you that recent warming has been largely man-made?" Jones responded, "The fact that we can't explain the warming from the 1950s by solar and volcanic forcing." He further stated that it would not be reasonable to conclude that "recent warming is not predominately manmade" from the evidence that there have been previous periods of warming since 1850.
His remarks that there has "been no statistically significant global warming" are importantly qualified within a scientific context:
[BBC:] B - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
[JONES:] Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
In other words, the data on global warming is within a hair's breadth of being quantifiably established, and that within the next few years its "statistical significance" will have passed the ironclad scientific threshold. Rather the opposite of what Beck and Hannity tried to claim, eh?
In fact, here's what Jones actually says about global warming:
[BBC:] E - How confident are you that warming has taken place and that humans are mainly responsible?
[JONES:] I'm 100% confident that the climate has warmed. As to the second question, I would go along with IPCC Chapter 9 - there's evidence that most of the warming since the 1950s is due to human activity.
Indeed, it turns out that the "scam of the generation" isn't the "conspiracy" of scientists to promote global warming, but rather the right-wing talking heads' claims that it's all a scam.
Deep Climate has been reporting that the one of the denialists' chief totems -- the "Wegman Report," a right-wing congressional "investigation" of the so-called "hockey stick" climate data -- was itself riddled with likely plaigiarism and dubious scholarship.
But then, when Fox News declares war, truth is always the first casualty.
The bottom line on a dumb debate.
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Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
That's always been my argument. What if we do everything we can do and all we get is a cleaner, healthier planet. Does that mean we messed up?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
the environment, they want to use this B.S. about GW to tax us more. All the big investment banks already have carbon credit trading desks set up to rape us with. These scum bags are going to tax us all into poverty and they will be the only one left polluting the planet and laughing at us.
... it's just a conspiracy by all those scientists to take your guns away and lock you in FEMA camps.
I found these rules in another book I read. Good rules to live by:
All else being equal, when choosing between doing something a safer way or a more dangerous way, you have to chose the safer way.
When the danger increases, you need to be more careful.
I believe the Republican Climate Change denier rule is probable keep the petal to the metal until just before you fly off the edge of the cliff. Kind of makes me think of the opening scene with Kirk in the latest Star Trek Movie.
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
thereof.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
I'm sending it out.
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common sense matters as much as truth
the right wing (sponsored by exxon) needs to get their message straight if they want to do a better job of spreading their misinformation. they seem to be confused as to their own talking points (sponsored by exxon).
the 2 arguments from the right:
1) global warming is real, but not impacted by human activity
2) global warming is a scam, pushed by radical enviros
pick one, assholes. which is it? is it real? or is it fake?
now, in order for the right to push a more cohesive argument they will need to pick which misinformation campaign they want to go with, b/c this dual and contradictory game plan is just plain confusing to their knuckledragging ilk.
They aren't paying that much attention.
You're trying to make a logical argument with a group of people that also believe you can be a fascist and a communist at the same time.
The world is black and white to them. There is no gray. If you're a believer in global warming, it doesn't matter why you believe it, any reason will do because ALL of us are one in the same period. They have an "us vs. them" mindset. It's all they seem to be able to wrap their minds around.
And I guess since the white house didn't call him on his red phone and set the record straight then he must be right. He knows as much about science as he does about anything else, nothing. He takes one detail and extrapolates that into a international scam? Beck is becoming one trick pony and that trick is stickining his head up his own ass, not attractive.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Again, I have no interest in promoting this book, but to get an idea of how this charlitanism works and how it has found its was so deep in American Culture, I would suggest checking out Idiot America.
I promise this is the last time I will make this recommendation. It just seems really appropriate with the tea bagger and Beck topics today.
..Tiajuana to see the show.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia must be very proud of his little puppet Beck.
They're all over in Washington State. About two months too early for spring bloom!
in the photoalbum with the drowning p.bears
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I noticed today a bunch of trees that were budding. The cherry blossoms are most obvious but they're not the only ones.
If you have any, will you post them somewhere that I can see them? What else is blooming?
certain birds are breeding, and it's about 45 days too early. They have a nest on my house that they have been using for 4 years. Also last weekend, I saw a flock of robins here. Way too early for them, too. They were looking for food.
in the Pacific NW are the alders--not very showy. Usually followed by witch hazels and saucer magnolias. Probably other things too--I can't recall off the top of my head.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I've seen are bright pink and flowery. They look like cherry blossoms but now I'm wondering if I have the wrong tree. Anyway I've lived here most my life and I can say this is not right for February. I know it's going to mess up the Tulip Festival too.
Shit blooming in Feb ain't normal.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
probably purple-leafed plums. They're usually the first flowering-fruit trees to bloom, even here in SoCal.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
others lighter pink. I will get as many examples as I can. Let the experts speak to the type and whether it's truly too early. My observations are no better than Hannity if I'm wrong.
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I am not an expert on the kinds of trees, but I can definitely get pictures and post them. It's been on my mind since last time Hannity tried to disprove climate change with snow.
February, when winter is just half over. Too bad they are so invested in their denial that they won't get it.
In Bend Oregon here at 3500 ft. Little snow to speak of this winter. Temps running 10 degrees higher than normal. Irises are popping up in our front yard. Come to the Pacific Northwest for proof. But I suspect if God himself said it was so...Beck et al would deny it cause to do otherwise would mean less profit for him and other crazy men on TV. How do people stand this guy. Night after night with the hate and craziness. Are Americans really that dumb. Wait, dont answer that...if they think Palin is presidential material. Yes, they are and if she is elected we are doomed. Then I will believe what Mr.Beck says cause, man. that would be the end of the world as we know it.
train. Don't worry about that.
Bear in mind I am not a pro photographer. But they get the point across. All I have to figure out now is the best way to post them online. I can use my Comcast personal web space and link back on comments here.
(amongst others) and add links here. PB is free.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Here's a quick sampling of the pics I took:
http://s807.photobucket.com/albums/yy351/Dave...
All of this within a few blocks of where I live. If I spent the day driving around western Washington I could photograph a lot more.
This is what the blossoms are like around here normally by the end of March, or early April.
Anyone who repeats the Fox Terror line on climate change is undeserving of a job in any news media, new or old. Do some real investigations will you people?!
In literally a half hour I found easy documentation of abnormally warm temperatures in a region of North America that typically has cold weather in February.
Fox is not credible by any measure of the word. Their arguments are as stupid as they are dishonest. If ever there was a doubt it has been cleared up now. I can say, with absolute certainty and proof to back it, that Fox Terror's entire opinion staff is also as stupid as they are dishonest.
The good thing is that they won't lose much if the weather turns cold again. If fruiting crops (peaches, plums, apples, etc) start blooming, then are hit by later (likely) colder weather, expect major crop loss.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"The tulips are coming up. It looks like they're going to be a little bit on the early side this year. We should start seeing some color probably in the last weeks of March," said Brent Roozen at Roozengarde.
The Tulip Festival normally runs the whole month of April. "We'll still have some nice color during April, at least during the first couple of weeks. We'll see what happens with the weather."
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=284890
The Skagit Valley is one of the largest exporters of tulips outside Holland. Besides just the flowers is a huge tourist industry; the Tulip Festival is very popular. They are just such photogenic plants. Local artists, restaurants, etc. involved in the annual festival all count on the income to survive.
If beck wants to talk about a real scam, a scam that cost this country dearly in money and blood, talk about the scam where we were told in no uncertain terms that Iraq had WMD. Now there was a real one he could sink his teeth into.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The Goldman Sachs "cap and trade" plan, on the other hand, is a scammer's masterpiece.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
My feeling is that if you don't believe global warming is real, fine, just don't get in the way of of those of us who do and want to do something to try to help everyone in the long run.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"Global Warming and the Love of Children" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLWRkwOzBx4
Slacktivist had a good article on this, and why they insist on blaming Al Gore for something they claim doesn't exist in the first place.
The biggest scam being pulled off right now is the one where Beck appears to be more concerned about his country than his own pay check. Like Palin he will speak for money and money alone. If he and she were so concerned for their country they would be speaking and acting freely to anyone who would listen, no fees required, no book sales required.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
If I want to watch a clown I'll go to the circus.
I can't wrap my head around it.... do the people who listen to this and actually buy into it... are they actually functional in the real world? Drive? Have jobs?
If we don't find a way to evolve beyond greed, share the wealth and resources of the world more equitably, and think as individuals of the same species with the same interest in our species' long term survival, we risk our own extinction if not the extinction of all life on the planet.
Only at the point that the power goes off and the water supply is off or intermittent will people who watch these clowns give a damn.
Faux are like bottom feeders and will do or say anything to fatten themselves up.
LuLu
Fux defines bottom feeders.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I know people, especially my brother- who is well educated & very intelligent, but really, really believes Al Gore created the Global Warming Myth in order to make billions for himself (in tax breaks and investing in green tech), and bring World Socialism to the, well, the world. It's scary and creepy to hear someone who is brilliant in most intellectual areas agree with everything Beck and the other Fox drivelers' say.
I know my brother is filled with rage about something- not sure just what, but it is his 'default' mode. I think the Limbgag/Fox crazies got thru to him via his anger. But the ANGER came first, they are just exploiting it.
It's how reactionaries operate. They tap into existing anger out there. When they cast their net, they catch everyone from the pissed off truck driver who's fuel costs are too high to the factory worker who lost a job to China.
They also tap into public paranoia. From the guy who thinks Obama is going to raise taxes to the guy who's using a HAM radio to spread the word about secret death camps run by aliens, posing as democrats.
Find enough pissed off people. Then paint for them who their common enemy is. Then use their anger to advance politically.
It's how the Nazi party operated in its infancy. However, the difference between Beck and them is organization. Beck is too much into being a showman and not a leader. Like Palin, he's using this anger to make money. Hitler was really serious unlike this clown.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
anchors and staffers should start wearing "I'm with stupid" t-shirts, and be pretty confident they would seldom be in the wrong.
Using Beck's reasoning, since I don't smell smoke in my house right now, my house can't burn down and I don't need a smoke alarm or a fire extinguisher.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
has a good post about this, with an update that has Jones himself affirming Real Climate's post. Real Climate is an excellent source for clobbering the stupid on climate change in general.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...
"Anybody seen Al Gore?"
Actually, that's an excellent question. With Fox News and others questioning the validity of the concept of "global warming" -- or "climate change" an liberals like to call it now -- why is Gore remaining mute? His work and the resultant conclusions are being questioned. One would think that he would stand up and defend himself and his position.
His complete silence speaks volumes to me.
would waste far too much precious energy. Why should Gore respond to these fuckwits?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
allegations? I am sure he prefers to spend his time on things that matter.
Links, please.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
but God just doesn't exists; God is a big fraud perpetuated by greedy moochers who want to control gullible masses. The fact he's not intervening right now to prove me wrong speaks volumes to me... etc etc... fallacious reasoning, Glenn Beck style
If God exists, he doesn't live here.
an example of fallacious reasoning that would speak more to white christian america than the old 'Did Glenn Beck rape and murder a girl in 1990?" meme, which they did not seem to get :(.
you. If I speak to white Christians, it isn't in a nice manner. I'll do better for you.
Billions believe in him. They cant see him touch or feel him yet they believe in God. Global warming. You may not see all its implications now (some are quite evident) but eventually the evidence will be there. It will be too late for your grandchildren who will be sicken or driven inland for flooding. But let us not conncern ourselves now. We cant see it ( we look but can not see) we doom our children and grandchildren when we could have at least tried to clean up our mess. We cant see air but it exists. Soon it may be filled with poison unseen but deadly. This debate is like a bad science fiction movie. The children look like death and are wondering when their grandparents had a chance why did that not act. We have no answers for them only old tv images of Glenn Beck, Hannity and most of the GOP saying it is just not real. God help them on judgement day. God must weap when he sees how little regard we have for his planet.
"God is not dead but alive and well and working on a much less ambitious project."
Anonymous, Graffito
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
"Thinker" from State of Confusion:
Yeah! Why wouldn't he answer this?! Good question!
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Why would anyone stoop to the level of Fox for anything. They can bring all on the science folks they want and deny Global Warming But some day they will go before their maker. I hope he sees it their way. I think he will be really pissed that they did not take better care of their planet when they could.
Fox is such a sad place. So much hate. They soon will start internalizing it and I predict more " heart attacks" ( Rush) apendectomy (Beck). That hate has to go somewhere and sooner or later will attack the inner organs. Very sad for them.
"Always look on the bright side of life!"
The 'thinker' believes imprisoning American citizens of Japanese descent was right because Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
I guess that's enough said. Other than he posts at KOS and 'thinks' the people have brains over there.
me-oww!
he has a lot to say to those who will listen; but our Oil Company Owned Media won't publicize him if they can avoid it, or any people who try to explain Climate Change which is CAUSED by Global warming, Mr (s)thinkerfromiowa Try listening to people with real factual information, not Beckalites*.
Petrified Beck Turds.
so obviously the theory of gravity has been disproven! Ha! "Quod erit demonstrandum baby" to quote Thomas Dolby. (Maybe Glenn Beck should only be viewed with "She blinded me with science" blasting in the background)
More like proof that Beck and Hannity have no understanding of the subject.
fuel in order of importances:
1) National Security - Remember the Arab Oil Embargo. We cannot depend on our enemy for our fuel. It is suicidal.
2) Pollution - It still sickens and kills people. Private profit. Public Cost.
3) Economy - Balance of payment. Excess spending of military to ensure access to oil. Cost of oil be increase wildy as demand from China and India increase.
4) Climate Change - Eventually it will be obvious to all but it will be much too late to do anything about it. The rich will move inland and the poor will drown.
take issue with #3. Military expenditures to ensure access to oil? Thanks for pointing that out. I have to go work out on my punching bag for a few minutes before I will even be able to think about this issue. Good call.
As it should be.
Great. Two fucking idiots that barely managed to get out of high school. Like they actually would know what the fuck they are talking about. Speaking of Hannity. When is that son of a bitch going to be waterboarded? "For the Troops"
"'Biggest scam of the generation': Beck and Hannity
pile on BBC interview as proof of the global-warming""I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
With all of his theatrics, pointy stick, blackboard, teacher's costume and an audience willing to believe anything he says, Glen Beck could probably convince millions of people tomorrow that (insert your own truthiness here).
Seriously, he could get up there tomorrow, and say that the human body was hollow. Biggest scam of the millennium: All these crazy doctors and biologists who want you to think you have a literal heart pumping literal blood. That's why they can try to make health care a big issue to take over more of your mind. The truth? That the human body is hollow, inhabited by no gooey stuff and no organs. Just the soul put inside you by a the magic man in the sky.
And he'd trot out some fake expert to confirm it. Or put up a drawing. Or ask people if they've ever really seen these organs they're supposed to take care of. They tell you not to drink yourself into a stupor because they want you to believe you have a liver and a brain that can be damaged. Not true. They just say that so they can set up a health care program and take over your life and mind. That's what they want: Your mind and your soul. Don't let it happen.
And the noise machine would back him up. Not everyone would say he's correct, of course. Only the Sear Insanities and Savage Weiners. But the O'Really?s would be out there talking about how he just has a point of view, and even if you disagree, it's just as legitimate as any point of view. And Beck would keep it up, until it became just another conversation topic with no way to evaluate the real evidence, leaving most people angry, but too many confused, and far too many convinced.
Fucking scary the hypnotic effect this prancing lunatic has on some people.
Everyone is equally entitled to the pursuit of happiness. Wasn't that once self evident?
Oh great! You have just given him an idea for his next rant and rave. Just kidding because you have him nailed.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Ever seen "A Face in the Crowd" starring Andy Griffith and Patricia Neal? This guy is that movie come to life. Griffith's character was called "Lonesome Rhodes." That's Beck to a "T." An uneducated bullshit artist.
I always wondered what Keith Olberman's reference meant. Thanks.
And Yellow Fin Tuna are somewhere around 30 miles off of San Diego right now.
Swordfish are off of San Francisco.
Water temp here is around 52-53. That means that there is a warmer current outside.
I've been watching the central pacific for quite some time now. Storms are still forming down there. The Philippines have been getting pounded with rain since last March. They had a relly bad typhoon season.
I recently flew over the Dakotas and the surrounding countrysides.
I've never seem so much snow in my life.
The North Pacific has been very active with big surf showing up. Lots of noticeable beach erosion. I'm talkin maybe 10 feet of sand dunes gone. The beach was gone long ago. But it's starting to build back in. The dunes never come back.
I think Calif is in for a long wet spring. The Acacia trees are blooming. But that's not abnormal. They always bloom early if the sun pops out after an extended rain here.
But, I saw a video clip of a landslide in Italy. It was a massive one. Due to heavy rains.
The funny thing is, these clowns only think of the US on this topic. They don't think of the planet. Last year, the firestorms down under were the worst I had ever heard of. It was 82 degrees in So Cal yesterday. It's around 65 here today.
When the warm water fish show up, that means the storms will follow soon.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
It is 86 right now. I have all of the windows open. February 16th. Zoiks!
As impressed as you were by the snow in the Dakotas, I think it's actually down this year. It certainly is here in Michigan. We haven't gotten a typical Alberta Clipper that brings arctic air across Lake Superior and Lake Michigan, so it's been relatively warm and dry this winter. El Nino's keeping the jet stream from heading up north.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
so what do you all think of referring to them as Fauxpinion?
It's all the guilt. We've been trying to get industry to stop polluting for decades and the only reason we didn't stop is because of people like Beck. We can thank Beck for the mess we're in right now. Then he insults us with denial, even as the pollution closes in around him. that's the guilt and denial kicking in.
The power of guilt compells Beck.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Beck didn't realize that even a big black hole is a very tiny place, on the inside...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Connecting two posts here today, I just heard that Hannity will have Joe the plumber on his show tonight so that joe can clear up some of the remarks he made about McCain that have been "taken out of context". I guess Joe got a call from Rush and now he has to make nice with the republican party.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and he's bringing his Morons on Parade tour to USF and Phoenix next month sometime. Feel the IQ drops...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Why hasn't Hannity ever produced an accounting on the following questions? To this day Hannity hasn't produced any evidence that the monies he has raised since 2003 from his "Freedom Concerts!" have been spent!No one knows how much he's raised,or spent,or still has control of,so here's a few questions for you Hannity:
How much money have your "Freedom Concerts" raised since 2003?
Who controls the monies raised?
How much of these monies/funds have been donated to Ollie North's "Freedom Alliance" or any other 990 charities"
Who has control of the monies/funds that haven't donated to charity?
In otherwords Hannity, where's the accounting on how much you've raised,how much have you spent and who controls the remaining funds!
Basic honesty is so foreign to you that inquiring minds want to know "Where's the money!"
People from the NYC area of a certain age recognize Hannity and O'Reilly as classic examples of old school fast talking New York City conmen.
They are a throwback to another time and carrying on an old New York City tradition of conning the gullible rubes (Teabaggers?) and senior citizens.
They've found a money flow and they're going after it with both hands, getting it while the getting's good.
Now they have competition from the new kid in the studio - Sarah Palin. Wonder how they like it? Talk about grabbing money with both hands.
who wouldn't know Science even if it bit them in their asses.
.. 'nuff said ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
there...i used the bad word....but it is
isnt it enough to show that we cannot continue polluting the planet and using fuel that is finite in nature?????
Glaciers melt, sea levels rise, freakish weather patterns occur as the earth warms. These are facts. This is really happening, month by month, year by year. The longer it goes on, the more foolish these nutjob deniers will look.
They are like people beholding the first hint of dawn and vehemently denying that the day will get any brighter. By high noon, such people will look pretty stupid.
Could a concerned progressive activist organization start presenting Global Warming Deniers with a pledge to sign that if we are wrong, we have been traitors to the human race, but if they are wrong then they admit to being traitors to the human race? Love to see Limbaugh and Beck sign that!
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