I've been monitoring Fox News to see what mention of the the independent report exonerating those climate scientists in the so-called "Climategate" brouhaha -- mainly because Fox so avidly promoted the now-acknowledged fake scandal, both on its supposed "straight news" shows as well as from such Climategate stalwarts as Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.
So far, nary a peep from those quarters. The only mention I've found comes from the mid-afternoon "Special Report" on Thursday, above. As you can see, it's just a blip, and hardly begins to cover how thorough the exoneration actually is.
That's typical of Fox, especially considering its role in whipping up a torrent of hate directed at these climate scientists:
Schneider described his attackers as "cowards" and said he had observed an "immediate, noticeable rise" in emails whenever climate scientists were attacked by prominent right-wing US commentators, such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
"[The senders] are not courageous people," said Schneider. "Where are they getting their information from? They just listen to assertions made on blogs and rightwing talkshows. It's pathetic."
Schneider said the FBI had taken an interest earlier this year when his name appeared on a "death list" on a neo-Nazi website alongside other climate scientists with apparent Jewish ancestry. But, to date, no action has been taken.
"The effect on me has been tremendous," said Schneider. "Some of these people are mentally imbalanced. They are invariably gun-toting rightwingers. What do I do? Learn to shoot a Magnum? Wear a bullet-proof jacket? I have now had extra alarms fitted at my home and my address is unlisted. I get scared that we're now in a new Weimar republic where people are prepared to listen to what amounts to Hitlerian lies about climate scientists."
Decent human beings, not to mention journalists with a shred of ethics in their bodies, would cop to the hoax and apologize to their misled viewers.
Of course, we can rest assured that not only will Fox never apologize, they'll continue to treat "Climategate" as a real thing.
Hell, Beck has managed to twist climate change into a criminal operation. He'll never admit he is full of fecal matter either.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Well, duh - No.
This has been yet another simple answer to simple questions.
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Seems pretty declarative to me.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
So now that the East Coast is experiencing triple digit heat waves will Glenn and Sean retract the mocking of "Global Warming" as they did during the coldest months of the winter?
Oh BTW they never noticed that the winter olympics were brown, it's called climate change for a reason dudes.
reality and facts don't matter to the deniers at all, it's all faith based belief systems for them.
Sky-god, take me away!
Faith based only if you buy into 'In God We Trust' dollars and, the reason it is on there is not because of some sky being, their god is the currency. Fox News and the rest of the right wing will never apologise, why should they, they new what they were sprouting were lies, they don't care, they got paid to lie and the lied their asses off. They know exactly the damage that will be done, they don't care, they know that millions will die, they don't care, they know about the right wing violence they ferment, they don't care, they know they will be eventually caught out in their lies, they don't care, they only care if they get paid, full stop end of story.
pushes the climate science hoax, and used "Climategate" as a subject for days. How global warming was once-and-for-all put to rest as a hoax. I don't listen that often but I'm sure they devoted time to this independent report. I'm sure to say that the investigating panel was biased and part of the conspiracy.
The same radio show that supports the force used by the arrested man in this story:
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/fatal-pflu...
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
A FOX News apology is one of the signs of the Apocalypse.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I've written before in response to Dr. Tiller's murder: where does it end? It was once unimaginable that you would threaten a doctor, and now, it's actively cheered in some circles. If you justify the murder of abortion doctors, why not all OB/GYNs? Why not all doctors and med students? If you can threaten climate scientists, why not all scientists?
What's interesting is that there are two climate deniers. First, the ones who for some reason of self-interest cannot accept climate change (e.g. petroleum companies). But then there is the second group: reactionary authoritarians (e.g. Tea Partiers, "neo-conservatives") who object to the idea of climate change simply because of who is warning about it. They don't like climate change, in other words, 'cause "libruls" talk about it. They don't understand or care about the science: the fact that their non-authoritarian foes, the liberals, are concerned means that they oppose whatever the liberals say.
The reactionary authoritarians are, of course, very easy to manipulate by the oil companies. Pay for a few shills, pay a system administrator to copy some e-mail (never mind that it's illegal, they can tell the propaganda mills to downplay that bit), coordinate a media blitz, and you can count on the authoritarians to place their own anger and ignorance at the service of those who would destroy their children's environment.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
I'm suspicious of the global warming theory because I think it's all about forcing a "cap-n-trade carbon credit market/scheme" and a "global carbon tax."
neither is the "solution to pollution"
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Well, wow, colour me surprised.
I hate to see pollution, overfishing, corexit, stripmining and all that...I just never saw the "debate on global climate change thats all.
(I also red some of those IPCC e-mails too)
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Particularly not rhyming...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...doesn't reflect the facts?
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This is sheer nonsense. You people are all for corporations and profits and ways to make money until a carbon tax suggestion comes along, alluvasudden you're condemning money-making conspiracies. Balderdash. Carbon taxes and other measures try to capture costs that economists refer to as 'externalities' and polluters refer to as "the taxpayer's problem." These are solid policy. Take your mealymouthed equivocation someplace else.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
...big corporations are behind the pusch for a carbon tax!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8269008.stm
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because they have a net gain from it... its just putting barriers to the entry of their industry, preventing competition and creating monopolies and cartels which will take advantage of the consumers.
and, other than your reaction to the 'cap n trade' proposal, what do you base your denial on?
or is that it?
also, let me ask, do you believe in climate change but that it isn't caused by humans -or- do you deny the entire notion of climate change altogether?
is the major factor affecting earths climate.
the sun is not very stable (althought it may look so) ...it's output varies greatly.
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so you actually don't deny climate change, you believe that it is a product of solar activity and completely unrelated to human activity?
In a nutshell yes.
I will say that paving over large urban areas into concrete and asphalt causes local warming (as well as deforestation) but...
generally yes.
I also think large volcanic eruptions can cool the planet temporarily, and that one large eruption like mt. St. Helens can cause years of cooling from dust in the air that reflects and absorbs sunlight...
but no, I don't think carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere do anything but increase plant growth.
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If carbon dioxide increases, but the plant life to absorb such decreases... doesn't that lean to off-setting at some point?
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
yes there must be some "tipping point" between increased plant growth and deforestation.
plants do indeed grow faster in high carbon dioxide environments (and therefore absorb more of the stuff) but...
...if you start chopping down too many trees then obviously....
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I'll accept that.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
you received your degree in climatology (or any related scientific field) from which esteemed university, and your conclusions are based on which credible studies?
me-oww!
She did a number on you, didn't she?
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
...too complicated for anyone to figure out.
(thats one of the reasons I'm skeptical!)
soooo many factors....
volcanoes
the sun
greenhouse gases
plant growth
snow cover...ect ect...
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We shouldn't even bother with it then?
Makes sense.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
reducing the amount of energy we use.
I hate exxon and b.p.!
I wanna see Al Gore debate someone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxzrXhcjAn8&fe...
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It's well known that the deniers have got their "debate team" pretty well schooled in the fine points of debating...which as any debater knows has little to do with "facts" or "truth".
Scientists haven't been schooled in that fine art of rhetoric. So, they usually come off second best in "persuasion", which is what debate is all about.
...is not a scientist.
he is a businessman who has set himself up to profit from a carbon credit markets and other schemes...
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So if it is beyond your understanding it is beyond everyone's understanding. Argument from ignorance.
You're full of it. You're just a dimwitted science denier trying to present yourself as 'reasonable.' Go mislead the willing morons on LGF.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
you're saying that there is no changes occurring within the climate caused by humans.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Thank you for your comment, Senator Inhofe.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They don't deny change/warming but if it's part of a "natural cycle" (and not caused by humans) then all sorts of activities and over-consumption are no longer unjustifiable.
It's just nature, baby, so who cares if I drive my Hummer around town all day?
all cap n trade and a global carbon tax is going to do is fringe changes to the temperature and turn the U.S. into a third world country since we are the ones that have the most to lose from it, precisely $13 trillion.
These Rupert Murdoch puppets will continue to infect the airwaves with this tripe, the war against truth has no bounds.
The sad news includes a very good possibility the wingnut clowns will gain control of the House this November. Fox lies will help the lunatics and they will never apologize for their support of hate speech.
I know someone there must know what a compressor is. It's really annoying when you edit together footage that has two wildly different gain levels. Here I sat watching this little FOX blurb, it's quiet so I turn up the main volume on my computer, the blurb ends and then BLAM! I'M NOT A CROOK!!! blast out of the speakers. C'mon guys, you woke up my sleeping daughter.
[I'm sorry. I forwarded your comment to the team-Sitemonitor]
...now your both crying!
get a laptop and move outside next time your daughter flops in the computer room!
[Don't. You just make it worse, and this comment was totally unnecessary-Sitemonitor]
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Listen...milquetoast. My daughter was clear in the other room. I don't think it's an unrealistic critique to make about the quality of footage used if they are going to put their tag on the end of every video they show. It's just amateurish for a blog that keeps winning awards.
It has annoyed me over the years, but I've learned to live with it. Dialing the volume back would be appreciated by me too.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
In just one species, our species, a new trick evolved: language. It has provided us a broad highway of knowledge-sharing, on every topic. Conversation unites us, in spite of our different languages. We can all know quite a lot about what it is like to be a Vietnamese fisherman or a Bulgarian taxi driver, an eighty-year-old nun or a five-year-old boy blind from birth, a chess master or a prostitute. No matter how different from one another we people are, scattered around the globe, we can explore our differences and communicate about them. No matter how similar to one another bison are, standing shoulder to shoulder in a herd, they cannot know much of anything about their similarities, let alone their differences, because they can't compare notes. They can have similar experiences, side by side, but they really can't share experiences the way we do.
Even in our species, it has taken thousands of years of communication for us to begin to find the keys to our own identities. It has been only a few hundred years that we've known that we are mammals, and only a few decades that we've understood in considerable detail how we have evolved, along with all other living things, from those simple beginnings. We are outnumbered on this planet by our distant cousins, the ants, and outweighed by yet more distant relatives, the bacteria. Though we are in the minority, our capacity for long-distance knowledge gives us powers that dwarf the powers of all the rest of the life on the planet. Now, for the first time in its billions of years of history, our planet is protected by far-seeing sentinels, able to anticipate danger from the distant future—a comet on a collision course, or global warming—and devise schemes for doing something about it. The planet has finally grown its own nervous system: us. --Dan Dennett
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Thanks a lot. I wasn't trying to be a jerk, it's just that I'm both a visual artist and composer so stuff like this jumps out at me. I'm more of a fan of C&L than I am a critic of it, and knowing that John Amato is a musician as well, I just thought that there was some aesthetic dissonance going on here. You've just proven that C&L is definitely worth my patronage. Cheers.
Surely you jest. They make their living exploiting misinformation. They won't acknowledge that "climategate" was the real hoax, much less apologize for exploiting the misinformation.
No.
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
assholes.
In the words of the great orators.... NO! (They won't apologize.)
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
They're not buying it at the DMN blog either.
One person was saying how he wished "outside experts" could've written this report.
So I asked, "Like who, Ken Ham?"
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Why should anyone think they would issue an apology/correction on this story when they haven't done so regarding the fraudulent video they used to take down ACORN?
Mark P. Kessinger
New York, New York
I heard through the rumor mill that there were other breakins in offices at Penn State and Ohio State. The real story here is who paid for this and who did these this. The other story is how were the files moved and posted.
Expect these questions to never be answered ever.
Hmmm?
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
However...
The guy who led the panel isn't even British... so I don't know what issue you have with the Brits.
what advantage is it to have guys on the panel that are skeptical of the whole thing to begin with?
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
I expected this kind of "I won't believe it because..." reaction.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
No, but it made me think of this:
Nixon administration debated global warming
And that was in 1969.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
Right. All the IPCC scientists are all working to fulfill the devilish world dominance plot of the Club Of Rome. OK.
your posts should be followed with a *rimshot*
i think i heard a black helicopter coming for you
LOL... does that mean i have been infiltrated by the commies?
anyway, i think at some point in time "green-agenda.com" might appreciate you giving them credit for your excellent copy/paste skills
now, let's talk about the fake moon landing--was the club of rome behind that, or maybe the illuminati?
yeah, i looked it up. inclusive, with a warning from the researchers advisor to take her findings with a grain of salt. eeee....
However, a commentary accompanying Bassin's article warns to take her findings with a grain of salt. Ironically, it is from Harvard professor Chester W. Douglass, DMD, PhD. Douglass led Bassin's PhD committee, which approved of the study when it was presented as her doctoral dissertation.
Douglass warns that the Bassin study is based only on a subset of people exposed to fluoridated water. Preliminary results from the entire population of exposed individuals, Douglass writes, show no link between bone cancer and water fluoridation.
But Bassin specifically looked at the subgroup of people most likely to be affected by fluoridation: children. She limited her analysis to people who got bone cancer by age 20. That's because most cases of osteosarcoma occur either during the teen years or after middle age.
anyway, we are way off topic. and i think that was your goal.
...if fluoride is poison or not...
just look at the tube of toothpaste in your bathroom!
if more than used for brushing is swallowed, contact a poison control center immediately.
(at least thats what mine said on it till I threw it in the trash)
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Yes, fluoride in large amounts is toxic. So is salt, yet you can't live without it. Tooth decay is a fluoride-deficiency disease.
The trick is to get the right amount of fluoride: neither too much nor too little.
Also -- "poison" is a loaded term: you can get way too much fluoride for many years, and it won't kill you, it will make your teeth mottled. And impervious to decay: that's how they discovered the effect. They noticed people in some communities had mottled teeth and wanted to figure out why. Then they noticed that all the people with those mottled teeth also had no decay. Once they figured out what element it was in the water that was doing it, Then they tried to figure out an amount that would give protection against decay without the mottling. The average amount in fortified drinking water is one part per million. At that rate, to drink enough water for the fluoride itself to cause a stomach ache from its toxicity (not death), you would have to drink a bathtub and a half of water. By then, you'd probably be dead of too much water first.
Common sense isn't always trustworthy. That's why we have science.
that warning should not be read to mean that the study is flawed, more than anything it points out that yes, a subset is affected - but once outside of that subset the affects are minimized or trivial.
it is much the same way (for example) that lead and mercury affect children more than adults... and the specific case presented here, where females only have a 50% incidence compared to males, and that this is exaggerated greatly in those exposed at a certain age should be researched more fully.
However... this is, as you say, horrifically off topic.
straight from the web page you copied and pasted it from: the quote, the list of members, etc...
btw, i find you completely without credibility, and i have used enough of amato's bandwidth mocking you. good luck with the tin foil hat.
but you haven't 'mocked' me, you have only displayed your own stupidity.
[Long time no see. You didn't think we'd forget you, did you? Sitemonitor]
LOL!
Fri, 07/09/2010 - 13:47 — Samson-
LOL... does that mean i have been infiltrated by the commies?
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Oooh...infiltrate me...infiltrate me...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Given their role in driving the ACORN videos scandal, I was wondering how much time Fox news would devote to the debunking of these videos.....
Can anyone say...little or nothing (and certainly not on the evening
shows, that drove the original story).
Underscoring that with Fox News in particular, it's not only what they say/cover that is a problem, it's what they chose not to report on also.
Crazy for God... They rather take our whole country down for ideological reasons - (08:06)
...After all the Earth has been here 6000 years... and we've not destroyed it :-/
Amended: (CAUTION)... Volume fluctuation on clip 2 of 2. :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Step 1, Make up some wild ass, utterly false, character assassinating nonsense
Step 2. Repeat said nonsense ad infinitum until the message is heard loud and clear by the average moron
Step 3. Once the wild ass nonsense makes it mainstream, retract said nonsense with a disingenuous meek "apology" that no one will hear.
Rinse repeat...
The best part is that through the whole ordeal these reactionary propagandists get to sleep soundly knowing that with the "technical" non-apology apology, they get to "technically" not lie. Meaning, they are in compliance with the feelings and wishes of the invisible being in the sky whose affection they crave so much.
In other words, nothing but the MO of your run of the mill sociopath, who thinks their holy ends justify their evil means.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
That is what they have been doing for at least 30 years now.
30 years? Since 1964. (see Brad Hicks' Christians in the Hands of an Angry God.)
That everyone now understands that republicans lie.
They don't care if you know they are lying
as long as you don't bring it up.
If you tell themthey are lying
They will pretend to be offended.
It is the republican way!
Some argue that the Internet and the new communications technologies are breaking the corporate stranglehold on journalism and opening an unprecedented era of interactive democratic media. And it is true and important that the Internet has increased the efficiency and scope of individual and group networking.
This has enabled people to escape the mainstream media's constraints in many and diverse cases. Japanese women have been able to tap newly created Web sites devoted to their problems, where they can talk and share experiences and information with their peers and obtain expert advice on business, financial, and personal matters.Chiapas resisters against abuse by the Mexican army and government were able to mobilize an international support base in 1995 to help them publicize their grievances and put pressure on the Mexican government to change its policies in the region.
The enlarged ability of Bolivian peasants protesting against World Bank privatization programs and user fees for water in 2000, and Indonesian students taking to the streets against the Suharto dictatorship in Indonesia in 1998, to communicate through the Internet produced a level of publicity and global attention that had important consequences: Bechtel Corporation, owner of the newly privatized water system in Bolivia that had quickly doubled water rates, backed off and the privatization sale was rescinded; the protests and associated publicity, along with the 1998 financial crisis, helped drive Suharto from office. --Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
Study the symptoms not the virus...
sure, 4 months of almost nonstop coverage of the liar's lies and then once it comes out that it was all a big lie they give 30 seconds of coverage. Sounds fair and balanced if you ask me...but don't ask me.
Are you outta you mind??
The climate swingers will never admit they said anything about anything... They work for Cluster-Fox mostly so that by definition you can make up what you want - spew it on the air - and never have to say you are sorry or you were wrong....
Cool bed of alternative reality... it's also why many folks don't pay any attention to them any more because they are irrelevant !!!
Can we sue them for giving foxes a bad name? :-)
Seems to me the number of deleted comments in this thread is highly unusual. I hope someone near the top at C&L will write a "meta-analysis" of what's happened and why.
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Fox will never really apologize or set the record straight. Roger Aisles has always subscribed to the principle Richard Vigurie articulated on NOW with Bill Moyers: "That's what journalism is. It's just all opinion. Just opinion." (http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript3...)
The real question involves the media outlets that still claim to present serious journalism. They promoted the lies. Will they now give equal air time and print inches to the fact that the lies have been debunked?
done: we hit a snagg
meta-analysis: he's been a member of this site less than one day
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