BillO: Panetta at CIA means another terrorist attack on USA soon
By David Neiwert Wednesday Jan 07, 2009 7:45am
I guess Bill O'Reilly decided he'd had enough of being just a demagogue last night and made the leap into his new persona as an unmistakably dangerous demagogue.
His Talking Points Memo segment is almost always amusing for its incoherence, but this time it was just inchoate: an attack on the Barack Obama's selection of Leon Panetta as CIA chief, ostensibly because of Panetta's lack of experience. The argument, as well as we could make it out, was that Obama is making the U.S. vulnerable to terror because he has chosen a CIA chief who wants us not to torture terror suspects.
Most of the early part of the rant is a regurgitation of O'Reilly's recent warnings that the "far left" wants to hijack Obama's presidency and that his approach to torture is reflective of that. Then he pulls a clip from his radio show earlier in the day, in which he interviewed Michael Scheuer, who's lately been absorbed by the Ron Paulians. Scheuer says this:
Michael Scheuer: I think that the only way to change policy is, sadly, another attack on the United States, and I think that's coming.
O'Reilly: Are you going to predict that?
Scheuer: Oh, I think so, sir. I think that within the next year we'll be attacked again. The opportunity is just too good a one. Um, taking down a lot of the rendition program and that kind of stuff makes things easier for the enemy --
And then O'Reilly launches into a classic naming-the-enemy rant -- the enemy, evidently, being embodied in l'il ole Baghdad By The Bay:
O'Reilly: But some Americans don't care. In fact, some Americans are even are supporting the enemy. In San Francisco, Ground Zero for anti-American displays, supporters of Hamas openly demonstrate against Israel and the USA. These people believe America is evil. And so do many in the media.
Bottom line on this, Barack Obama is taking a major risk by handcuffing U.S. intelligence in its vital task of disrupting and defeating terror. If we get hit, the U.S. will have huge problems.
So let's see: If Obama lets Panetta muck up the CIA's ability, we're going to get hit in the next year. But wait -- aren't we going to be hit no matter what? And isn't all that reflective of the 2006 NIE which warned that the Iraq war and Bush administration's handling of it (including the Abu Ghraib revelations) had made us actually more vulnerable to terrorist attack? Ah, but O'Reilly has long ago swept that particular fact under his mental rug.
That's just for starters. Next up on the program, he had on author/CIA expert Gary Berntsen, and "Fox Military Analyst" Col. David Hunt. Berntsen was largely baffled by the Panetta selection. Hunt, on the other hand, was largely bats--t crazy:
[Transcript and more below.]
O'Reilly: But Colonel -- and you and I have disagreed on this one before -- if you're going to say that you have to do the Army Field Manual, which you know very well, which says, quote, you are not to make any captured person uncomfortable in any way, if that's going to be the standard that Leon Panetta embraces, and he told the Monterey newspaper that's exactly his vision, then I don't think we're going to get intel from any captured terror suspects at all, am I wrong?*
Hunt: No, and the Army Intel Manual is meant for Private Johnson, in the field, and it's not been adopted by the intelligence community.
O'Reilly: But -- but -- it was clear by the interview that Panetta did with the Monterey newspaper that this was the standard that he believes the CIA has to adhere to!
Hunt: He's wrong, and so is the incoming president, on this issue. Guys who know this business understand that it has to be in their toolkit, the ability to do this very tough thing called torture.
And by the way, it's a small part of the effort on terrorism. It's a small part.
... [O'Reilly goes off on another 24 scenario. Hey, Bill, Jack Bauer is much more convincing than you. And that ain't saying much.]
Hunt: The problem is actually bigger. The National Intelligence Director, this guy Blair that's being put in there, Navy guy, what they've done is, they've increased that office from 500 to 1500, and further diluted the agency's capability.
What they have done in putting Panetta in there is put a stake in the heart of the agency, and try to kill it. This is not a good situation at all.
Gary Berntsen then tries to sound somewhat reasonable amid all this madness, but it's like a drowning man in a flood.
Well, I wonder what Col. Hunt would say about those Japanese soldiers convicted of the war crimes of waterboarding American prisoners. Hmmm. Doesn't exactly jibe with the notion that torture is just a routine thing American intelligence operatives need to have in their toolkits.
*As for BillO, may we meekly suggest he avail himself of the advice of the pseudonymous Matthew Alexander, who found that exactly what BillO describes as "Leon Panetta's vision" was indeed the most effective means of obtaining intelligence.
Incidentally, the Panetta interview that O'Reilly references can be read here. Judge for yourself Panetta's vision for the intelligence community.
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Billo has a syphilitic brain!
I never thought of that before - I'll bet you're right!
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Billo has no brain... duh!
He has syphilis though.
Two sorry bastards that do not contribute a thing to America. Wait and see. You thought Clinton had a rough time with these SOB's. We haven't seen nothing yet. But I pretty sure Obama can handle this motherfuckets.
most people do not pay that much attention to Billo anymore aside from his loyal following. The more ranting and raving Billo does the more fringe he becomes. He's just comedy now.
He never lets us down with the clown act.
I know people who think billo is the besto, so rational and informative.
For one person I was a little nasty. I gave a curt laugh, called the man a buffoon, who had the son of a 9-11 victim on his show and threatening him when he was against the Iraq war, and always threatening to cut off people's mike when they start showing his arguments make no sense.
if Billo prays every night before bed for a another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, just to prove his point.
Not just BillO but Coulter and every single one of those PNAC assholes. They pray to the war gods so that their desire for American empiricism marches on, no matter how many die here, there and everywhere.
what's a few thousand death's here and there, if it advances an ideology
"He never lets us down with the clown act."
It's not an act, he IS CLOWN.
I don't like clowns... they tend to scare me. However Billo doesn't scare me, so he must be a rodeo clown.
I like watching rodeo clowns get run over by bulls... that's funny.
Quick Billo... jump into the barrell and the bull won't find you.
I can't believe it - I'm finally beginning to laugh when this guy opens his mouth.
Bill - don't you have to walk your falafal or something?
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And if terrorist do attack I hope they capture you and { Edited, Do not advocate violence here.SiteMoniter}..and I hope they "do it live!!"
And admitting that this is what they want.
"Guys who know this business understand that it has to be in their toolkit, the ability to do this very tough thing called torture."
It's a small step, but dammit, I was getting really annoyed at all the right-wing pussy-footing around and refusing to call a spade a spade, and say "Yes, we torture! And we think it's great! Deal with it!"
Frakkin sadists.
Funny how I didn't even hear that, since I already have it defined as such in my head, and I give BO and ilk little heed.
There will be an army of heat sinking loofas looking for anal warmth and vibrations.
so, a wargasmic media whore and an immoral war profiteer walk into a bar...
this is pure comedy--if it wasn't so effin serious.
torture = terrorism
the more we torture, the more terrorism we birth. billo and war profiteer david hunt know this, they just don't care. actually, to be more accurate, they care. they WANT more terrorism, they NEED more terrorism. dead babies, burning hospitals, all leads to more profit for both of these fucks.
So who'll be Obama's pick to head Homeland Security?
Too bad Mr. Roger's dead.
Someone who works at Home Depot.
Torture is OK if we do it because we are so good and all those other people are so evil.
Billo's latest wet dream is that he and Coulter uncover a sinister radical left wing plot to take over the country and turn it into a commie state. They can report it, write books about it, and beat off to it.
... would be a vast improvement.
Isn't that what they're doing now?
Except that the books should be deregulated to the Comedy or fiction section of the book store.
Each of the first special edition books will come with a free baggie of Coulter jizz.
Man, your last comment was bad, but this one made me taste the vomit as it rose to my mouth.
Yuck.
Right on.
Fuck faux noose...fuck murdoch...
that's all I have to say on the matter
Torture is OK if we do it because we are so good and all those other people are so evil.
I mean, what part of this do you people not understand?
I'm not sure when the soldiers are suppose to have the prisoners masturbate and when they are supposed to fuck the prisoners, this will have to be cleared up in a new O'Rielly/Coulter book.
...and wouldn't it be lovely to watch billo squirming whilst undergoing some of the "Unpleasant Treatment" as he called it..!?
... who was it that ignored actual warnings of pending terrorist attacks? Oh, that's right: BUSH. In fact, Bush's focus post-9/11 was on Iraq, and remained on Iraq. A failed war launched on false pretenses is not keeping us safe.
And please tell me what accurate, timely information we've gotten through torture. Oh, wait - you can't tell us, because that would give shit away to the enemy. Here's a hint, Einstein O'Reilly - if we *really* captured someone with critical operational knowledge, a thinking adversary would flush those plans and burn those contacts.
In the end, let's remember Bill-O is a hack journalist and always has been. He's a misogynist and pervert who harassed a female staff member with his twisted sexual fantasies. And it says something about red America that they lap up the drool from this guy's mouth as if it were manna from heaven.
Not quite. He was also intent on bringing back SDI programs (Star Wars), and was even abrogating long-standing treaties with the Russians like ABM, and the Treaty on the Prohibition of the Emplacement of Nuclear Weapons and Other Weapons of Mass Destruction on the Sea-Bed and the Ocean Floor and in the Subsoil Thereof.
Talk of possible smaller scale attacks by terrorists were seen as politics opposed to SDI.
The Blair House guest has just been revealed over at Huff Post. It's former Australian PM and Bush arse licker John Howard. He's here to get his Medal of Freedom for being part of the Coalition of The Willing. That neo fascist should be getting a free trip to the Hague for all the fear and hate he endgendered in Australia for 11 years. As an Australian can I apologised for the Bush stooge.He's in the coalition of the willing to send a nasty message to Obama and risk the lives of his little girls. This is what fascists do.
I thought fascists went to war to get new sex slaves.
No republicans become Boy Scout leaders.
You REALLY need a comma in that last comment. :-D
I was last night after drinking too much.
As one of the adults in 10,000 Days of Sodomy (Salo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzwGfP98vGM
I think the last time I saw Hair I was 7. That was before I knew what all those words meant.
Oh I knew
Just not Biblically
Damn!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D8jrkDJMEo
Kent State coming to a town near you?
Always loved this play (the movie blew). The music was damned good (I can still sing every word of every song.) The first act was a little boring but the second act gave me restless sleep for days.
History repeating itself, with a twist. 50 year old vet, 15 years out of the service is called up and sent to war.
A buddy of mine just enlisted in the army. He's 38. Although I can't agree with his decision I still support him as a friend and wish him the best. He's a scuba diver and a civil war reenactor and has kept himself in pretty good shape over the years. He was even accepted to OCS.
But ten years ago the army wouldn't have even considered a 38 year old for service. It just goes to show that the military is looking under rocks and scraping the bottom of the barrel to meet recruiting quotas.
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Dup comment...so sorry.
has almost left me speechless!
Bill, have you forgotten that the present administration ignored MANY warnings of an impending terrorist attack before 9-11? When have you blamed the Bushies for their misdeeds?
Bill, if you can predict the future so well, why didn't you predict that a certain associate producer of your show would have the gumption to stand up to your bullying behavior and actually sue you, successfully, for sexual harassment, you perverted wing-nut!
Of course the US will be the target of attacks. Its the price of freedom. The freedom that O'Shithead and Hannity would like to see taken away.
yes, we will be targeted again and again.
yes, billo and hannity cheer the erosion of our civil liberties.
but, no, our being targeted is not 'the price of freedom.' it is the price of us squelching others' freedom.
Yes you put it better. Much better. I should have said; Being able to be attacked is the price of freedom.
Yeah O'Reilley is a douchebag
But choosing a neophyte for this position was foolish. I'm an Obama supporter but he's already made a number of dumb moves.
Put down the Obama Kool-aid and start evaluating him on each decision.
a bad decision. Panetta is going to be in charge of the CIA not responsible for actually doing any espionage. My thoughts are that he will streamline and coordinate things so that they are useful to the President; that's his job. Taking TORTURE off the table is NOT something he should have to do since its illegal AND THE USA DOES NOT TORTURE, RIGHT? but if we did and stopped it, we probably be all the more safer for it and able to gather better intelligence; that's what the experts are saying!
Many CIA chiefs had NO espionage/intelligence experience before heading the CIA. In fact the CIA building is called the "George H.W. Bush" building. He had no intell/espionage experience before becoming CIA director. Once again, the rights hypocritical fake outrage has no bounds. Its purpose, in this case, is to pin potential attacks on Obama while they wont even take responsiblity for the attacks that happened on Bush's own watch.
Count_Slappy, Obama doesnt need the support of concern trolls.
...to blame Panetta/Obama for the next false-flag "attack" perpetrated by the neo-con goons for the PNAC.
Panetta has been chosen for his managerial and administrative skills, as well as his rather lengthy experience in the government per se - including a stint as Chief of Staff to Clinton. He clearly understands how intelligence is gathered and how it is presented and used by the President in his decision-making process.
Frankly, his choice is much better than having some gung-ho, torture-mongering CIA creep in charge.
Sounds like O'Slimey and his boys are making threats. His discussion/rant constitutes conspiracy under the Patriot Acts. So, why haven't this shithead and the people he works for been arrested?
any intelligence gathering operation that doesn't involve pliers and red hot pokers is the far left.
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of The Thirty Years War did to civilians was pretty nasty too though I think they weren't so much interested in intelligence as revenge. The Adventures of a Simpleton, published in 1669, has some pretty ugly descriptions of torture that included ovens.
There were such descriptions in Germany during the Inquisition, where one iniquisitor was bragging about putting cooking 6 and 9 year olds in them.
On Xtube. Not only can it prevent a terrorist attack. It can turn you on!
FRIGHT PEDDLERS have been around forever...play the fear card,the drunk on the corner makes more sense than this scum.
He sounds and looks drunk. He looks like someone that should be picking through trash cans in Malibu for Inside Edition.
From the article: "As for BillO, may we meekly suggest he avail himself of the advice of the pseudonymous Matthew Alexander, who found that exactly what BillO describes as "Leon Panetta's vision" was indeed the most effective means of obtaining intelligence."
A little detail like that is too much for the little brain of billo (he doesn't deserve CAP's) to wrap around!
Heard on Stephanie Miller Show, needs confirmation.
Is it hard to find pictures of billo lookin' a goon?
had some good information about the lead up to the Iraq War. there is something about his speech though that makes him sound like a little child starving for attention and approval.
michael scheuer is, no doubt, a very serious and smart man. but, his book 'imperial hubris' and his demeanor every time he is interviewed brings one word to mind: dyspeptic.
if i had a team of advisers i would sure want scheuer on that team--that way i am sure to be clued in to what the ultra-nationalist-hawk viewpoint is.
...he should be banned from the public, period.
Preferably in jail cell w/no writing or reading materials.
The real damage to our intelligence operation was done by the Bush administration's Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. By authorization of torture they got no information but it was fantastic recruiting tool for Al Qaeda. But the worse damage was done by outing Valarie Plame, we may never know how many people died, stopped cooperating, and the potential for future cooperation's was severally damaged.
I hope it hit the fox studio while taping the billo show. That would be justice lol.
So whatever happened to billo's childrens book?
And how to make them confess and repent.
With a prologue by Steven Covey, author of the 9th habit, Torture.
it was a recipe book, with a forward from Albert Fish.
..."A Bold Fresh Piece of Humanity?" I think Gannon and Foley bought up all available copies - they were a little confused by the title!!
"Bold piece"! or "Bold, fresh piece"! is what the Irish, Catholic Nun in grade school called you before she rolled back her sleeve and slapped your face.
Sign me up!
911 happened under the Bush Crime Family watch.
beat me to it.
Really, inexperience is a common theme of the incoming administration. An easy formula for predicting most Obama appointments is "former Clinton employee + inexperienced and underqualified= prime Obama appointment."
Let's be real: Ideological opposition to waterboarding is hardly qualification to be director of the CIA. Americans at least deserve someone with real military or intelligence operations qualifications.
www.smellytourist.wordpress.com
Yes, because we're listening to Bill O'Reilly, who has extensive knowledge of the military and intelligence operations.
Not to mention that 'experienced' hands have gotten us jack shit and nowhere in terms of tangible improvements to national security. Experienced hands were ready to sell control of our ports to Dubai. Experienced minds were busy signing off on torture and weaseling about 'moral clarity.' Experienced people like General Michael Hayden lacked knowledge about the standard of probable cause in regards to domestic wiretaps.
Panetta's organizational experience is needed to address more of the work left undone by the Frat-Boy-in-Chief. Homeland Security was created to bring law enforcement and intelligence agencies under one umbrella, to improve coordination and provide unity of command. Right from the git-go, it started turning into, "Well, this is going to take some time ..." even though it was sold to a scared-shitless populace on the basis of NOW NOW NOW FEAR NOW NOW BE AFRAID!
Have we actually seen any benefits of this? Hmm. Let's see ... color-coded warnings that everyone ignores, check. Advice to stock up on plastic sheeting, duct tape, powdered milk, and canned tuna, check. A worthless hack in charge of FEMA, check. Mo betta torture, check.
Panetta will be facing a difficult task - to complete the integration of agencies and contribute to our national security, but also to rehabilitate America's image domestically and abroad. Simply pretending the last eight years didn't happen isn't going to cut it.
By the way, Panetta's political career dates back to 1966. That's over forty years, only FOUR of which were in the Clinton Administration (one year as head of OMB, then three as WH Chief of Staff).
Oh, and the CIA actually does gather intelligence through means other than waterboarding and torture. The 'ideological opposition' you're denouncing is called adhering to the law, as it's clearly stated in American law as well as the Geneva Conventions.
Here again is another example of the rights selective outrage. George H. W. Bush has the CIA building named after him and he had no intell experience before he was head of CIA. Porter Goss had no intell experience either.
Smelly Tourist, you are an ideologue who only muddies the waters of the real discussion of issues with your complete lack of historical context and polemic arguments.
However, we did fault boosh for making unqualified appointments. Remember "Heck of a job, Brownie?"
Brownies criticism resulted from his failure to act after Katrina. There wasnt much outrage at the time of his selection, that I recall. If Panetta fails as epically as Brownie, then let the chips fall where they may. But untill Panettas epic fail . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MQjBLvespk&fe...
i think you jump the gun a bit matt.
first, a quick correction: bush and goss both had intel experience before being named head of the CIA.
i do agree that smelly tourist is a bit off base though. his equation is incorrect, as the obama appointees definitely have experience--but, generally, it is experience making things worse (see, summers, geithner, clinton).
My bad on Goss, he did have a 9 year stint 62-71 as a field agent, but Bush did not have Intell experience before has 76 appointment, unless you can show me otherwise.
well, that is a tough one. in fact, the bush ex-cia info was just brought to my attention.
and any documentation seems to be scant. but it is interesting.
From: Larry + Jennie Subject: More George Bush and the CIA
"The Man Who Wasn't There, 'George Bush,' C.I.A. Operative" By Joseph McBride
THE NATION, July 16/23, 1988
Vice President George Bush's resume is his most highly touted asset as a candidate. But a recently discovered F.B.I. memorandum raises the possibility that, like many resumes, it omits some facts the applicant would rather not talk about: specifically, that he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency in 1963, more than a decade before he became its director.
The F.B.I. memorandum, dated November 29, 1963, is from Director J. Edgar Hoover to the State Department and is subject-headed "Assassination of President John F. Kennedy November 22, 1963." In it, Hoover reports that the Bureau had briefed "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" shortly after the assassination on the reaction of Cuban exiles in Miami. A source with close connections to the intelligence community confirms that Bush started working for the agency in 1960 or 1961, using his oil business as a cover for clandestine activities.
i will admit that i have not read the book.
wow. interesting.
isn't it?!
i was posting yesterday about ghwb's lack of cia experience when this was brought to my attention. i plan on delving further
It seems we will never know the full and complete story of the Bush crime family!
as I mentioned on another thread yesterday, there are photos of GHWB standing outside to door to the hospital emergency room where JFK was taken after the assassination.
He was leaning against the wall, hands in his pockets, smiling as he talked to another "agent." Seems more likely to me that GHWB was briefing Hoover rather than the other way around.....
Bush was the guy that organized the Cuban Exiles for the Bay of Pigs Invasion. If he was involved; his motive may have been revenge. Poppy Bush is a well-known as a petty-vindictive man.
Bush invaded Panama and then went after Iraq. Ever ask yourself why he went after those 2 countries. Iraq is obvious, they were the ones that outed Bush on his arms sales to Iran. Panama is a little bit more nuanced. There are 2 places in Central America where a canal can be built. The 1st is Panama. The 2nd is Nicarauga. The Panama Canal is too narrow for most modern shipping. The solution to this problem was to turn the Panama Canal over to the Panamanians and build a new canal in Nicarauga. Bushco was heavily invested in this project. Unfortunately for Poppy Bush, the democratically elected Sandinista government of Nicarauga nationalized all the land in the proposed canal zone and gave it to the landless peasants. Poppy Bush used the profits from the arms sales to finance a guerilla war against the Sandinistas. Unfortunately for Poppy Bush, the money was all kept in Panamanian Banks. Guess who helped the Iraqi Intelligence Service investigate the American arms that were being sold to Iran. It was Panama. When Bush becomes President; he used his office to settle some peronal grudges. First to get hit was Panama then Iraq.
is a swell guy, no? When all of the history/facts of the last half of the 20th Century are eventually revealed, GHWB (and all of his cohorts in the Bush Crime Family)will take center stage as the guys behind
most, if not all, of the bad things that have happened in this world.
Really, I feel sorry for GWB as he gets all the crap for what's happened in the last 8 years, when his Daddy has been the one orchestrating it.
W is just such a sociopath, he thinks it's great to play war and kill people, and strut around taking all the "credit." We live in a very sick and uninformed society.
you and smelly tourist can join the ranks of the CIA Clandestine operations group. I heard an ad on the local talk radio station here in Philly last evening whilst sliding around on slippery roads.
All you have to do is go to the CIA website to download your app.
I'm sure the two of you working to ferret out those darn terr'sts with Billo will allow the rest of us to sleep well at night. Good LUck!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMaTfAn7KAs
i think that was aimed in my direction, i just ignored it
The Director of the CIA is a purely administrative job. They DO NOT actually gather intelligence. That is done by the operatives and lower level agency personel. All they need to do is appropriate expenditures, promote qualified personel, and set administrative policies. The Director of the CIA doesn't write reports or brief the President. Knowledgable experts write the reports and brief the President. When the rightwingers talk about experience what they really mean is this; the rightwingers want someone with experience editting the reports and manipulating what information makes it to the President.
We don't need your opinion!
better be careful. He's treading on thin ice. If he doesn't watch it Obama will give hime a post in the new administration in the best interests of bipartisanship.
This looks like a job for...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgUJK0cwBco
Man, I loved Harry Hauseman movies when I was kid.
My only beef is movie critics ignore his mentor Willis O' Brian's contribution.
It was just a little known movie called King Kong.
I'm assuming you meant Ray Harryhausen
Valley of the Gwangi? As a kid I had a coloring book about Gwangi. Loved that movie.
It sounds familiar.
It just seemed in everyone the actors, characters and women were virtually interchangable, and there would be at least one scene where they're pinned down in a cave with a monster trying to grab them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euDm3sKx8hc&fe...
Hahaha, Of course we didn't watch Harryhausen movies for the actors or the plots, we watched for those great movie monsters. And speaking of Robot Monster and other bad Z movies, you hear they are planning a remake of Plan 9 from Outer Space?
I always wanted to see a remake. It had some good ideas under it under-budget/talent deficit.
The idea of a weapon that could explode or set fire to sunlight was interesting. And the whole walking dead as weapons were precursers to the Italian Terrore Nello Spazio, and even Omega Man. But Omega Man, I Am Legend, The Last Man on Earth seemed to owe tribute to Mary Shelly's The Last Man. Furthermore, these movies paved the way for Carnival of Souls, and Night of the Living Dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w7eLZDg3IA
Tor Johnson had no talent...heh.
But in an effort to stay somewhat on topic, maybe the intelligence community and the military should watch some of these old classics for a few "fresh" ideas.
I couldn't find links to Donovan's Brain, or They Saved Hitler's Brain, so I'll guess this'll have to do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EARnV7vU4tg
We haven't even caught the people who perpetrated the attack against us on 9/11. We haven't even properly investigated it. The Commissioners themselves admit as much that this is so. We as a society aren't holding those in power responsible. We are diverted with daily gossip and trivialities. We are all guilty. Not enough blogs are aggressive enough in their pursuit of the truth. The corporate media is an example of failure.
We don't demand justice when our leaders are killed or assassinated as in the case of the Kennedy brothers and King.
We are weak as a society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKZJVhn7M4
You know, I hadn't thought of that, but now that Col. David Hunt has brought up the subject...
Dismantling the CIA would be a great idea, because the agency (and its even goofier clones) has gotten so out of hand that it's sucking uncounted, unaccountable billions of dollars every year from the US Treasury and dumping it all into the hands of thieves.
Of course, that won't happen. But it does sound sweet to save all that wasted money. Meanwhile, we really do need to dismantle the monstrous Homeland Security Agency, repeal the Patriot Act and get our Bill of Rights back.
That would do for Obama's first month or so.
well just thank god pat robertson sees obama as a gem, now if only jerry fallwel wasnt down in hell doing his job on his knees ti ol belzabub, he could sound the praises of obummer, maybe the cia can resurect the old croutch sniffer for him!
O'Reilly: "But some Americans don't care. In fact, some Americans are even are supporting the enemy. In San Francisco, Ground Zero for anti-American displays, supporters of Hamas openly demonstrate against Israel and the USA. These people believe America is evil. And so do many in the media."
No, BillyBob, we think that people like you who spout lies and other various forms of garbage are evil.
Quit giving assholes like this any time any where. WTF,.
... not to give them 'free air time,' but to confront them and dismantle their arguments.
San Francisco is also home to wingnuts like Brian Sussman, Melanie Morgan (and her band of goose-stepping tagalongs, Move America Forward), Lee Rodgers, and Michael Savage.
Are we to assume the above are like al-Qaeda, flocking to the fight?
Quick fact:
9/11 HAPPENED UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS "EXPERIENCED" FRIENDS!!!
9/11 was caused by Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, FDR and the New Deal, communists like Jane Fonda, and lazy welfare bumms with 8 children, all from different dads, that leach off the state. Had it not been for the radical leftwing homosexual agenda corrupting our youth, 911 could have been prevented. My question is this; why do you hate Christmas and America?
How am I doing so far?
I've been practicing my Bill O'douchebag impersonation?
... it's a good bet that Al Gore would have listened to Richard Clarke, there's no assurance that 9/11 would not have happened regardless. The hijackers did what successful enemies have done throughout history - identify a vulnerability and exploit it.
Bush's culpability is in ignoring the warnings that would have at least focused our attention in the right place - our airports - and in pushing fascist bullpuckey like USA PATRIOT, Protect America, Homeland Security, Patriot Day, and Loyalty Day.
There was an FBI agent in Phoenix,Az who sent e-mails to his HQ about some people taking flying class and they just did not respond back to him.I wonder why????????
Government agencies filter the information that gets to the President. The only information that reaches the President are things that require him to make a decision. When the CIA sent that memo to Bush; they were not trying to inform him; they were informing him so that he could make a decision. Some things are just too important or big to handle at the agency level. When the CIA sent that memo to the President; they transferred all decision making power to the President. Bush could of sent them a memo back saying; handle this however you want; or, just said fix this problems. He could of even added, "I don't want to know what you do"; he could of even said, "make these people disappear". Nobody would of cared if the CIA made these people the victims of unfortunate accidents. Not sending the CIA a response is just the same as telling them to do nothing. You go to your boss and say what does the President want done. Your boss says, "I don't know we are still waiting on a response." Bush is 110% responsible for 911.
Both of those clips were so outrageous and ridiculous where does one begin? I nearly stopped the second one when Bernsten (who really needs to cut down on the caffeine, or maybe crack) suggested that it be someone with a 'warrior ethos' to head the CIA. It seems to me that is the root of all our problems...warrior ethos. The WarPig is in office not even a year and he throws our country into a war and occupation that Cheney said would only take six months tops. Falafel Man says he 'doesn't want to scare anyone'...yeah, right. I think Hunt would have frenched Bernsten right there if he could have. It also sounded like Bernsten wanted us to be attacked so Obama would be discredited! I am so glad we have someone who has a level head and is actually intelligent taking over the White House.
the one eyed man in king.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a77pycC78Q0
Talk about intelligence gathering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDSwmwfF_BE
Rule: Always predict dire consequences
- If those consequences come to pass, you're a genius. A visionary whose insight is unquestioned.
- If those consequences don't come to pass, you keep preaching fear. See above. (Alternately, you praise the wisdom of George W. Bush, who put policies in place that have Kept Us Safe.)
O' Reilly should have stayed with Entertainment tonight, he's simply an entertainer much like Coulter. They do have one thing in common though, their love for this:
http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/deathi...
Bill-0 is about as entertaining as Adolf Hitler. I mean, that guy could really make an audience laugh.
/sarcasm
Molesting women?
Whatever upsets Bill & his guest can only mean Panetta is GREAT news for us, the country and the world.
When Bill O'R|eilly gets going his face reminds me of a burst couch.
Remember that fear is the only thing that allows the Republicans to stay or get into power. The public has to be fearful...
The best thing that we can do is rebuild our economic base and get stronger as a result.
And Bill ORielly had to be the one to perpetrate his own scary prediction of terrorists attacks.
Isn't it past time for BillO to have Tom Delay and Ann Coulter on ?
... Bill-O revealed as a vile figure like the Gorgon in the Star Trek (TOS) episode And The Children Shall Lead .... The Gorgon used fear to exploit and control people, and in the end, his benevolent guise is stripped away to reveal a face disfigured by pustulent sores and deformities.
Wed, 01/07/2009 - 10:22 — Robt
And Bill ORielly had to be the one to perpetrate his own scary prediction of terrorists attacks.
Isn't it past time for BillO to have Tom Delay and Ann Coulter on ?
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I'm not sure I'd want to turn on ann colter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsog6I6wH_U
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Obama has bent over so far backwards appeasing these Nuts he's looking straight up his own keester,but one slip,one vaguely moderate pick has Bill-Oaf swinging from the ceiling tiles like a fece lobbing Baboon.
That's why they pay him the big bucks.
It would be hard for any terrorist attack to inflict the damage on this country done by conservatives and their enablers like Bill O. The past 8 years of GOP political terror has done more lasting damage to this country than 911 many times over.
Oreilly is an idiot, and I am so thrilled that Al Franken appears to be the next senator from Minnesota. "Orally" can't even say Franken's name. Fact is, the same intelligence infrastructure is in place; the middle management and the boots on the ground, so, shutup Bill.
when we send palestine the body bags they need,
we should put billo in one and send him.
all that fucking hotair will come of use since
israel has basically cut off all humanitarian
aide to palestine.
as for billo's brain, the term shit-for-brains
is appropriate, since he has his head thrust
so far up his ass, that all the crap is stopped
in that vacuous cavity behind his unsympathetic
eyeballs.....and that's another story too....lol lol
No Bill, we here in SF think YOU are evil!
Hey just refuses to quit banging that fear drum.
To mimic the headline..
Billo = Stupidity.
nuf said...
...come immediately to mind:
- Isn't criticizing the president in a time of war tantamount to treason?
- What happens the first time one of BillO's own overseas calls is eavesdropped upon?
IOKIYAR, indeed...
The only danger Americans are facing is a Non-Stop Assault on
there intelligence by You Billy.
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