Bolder by the day: Unapologetic Nazis are coming out of the woodwork
By David Neiwert Monday Nov 09, 2009 6:30pm
James Verini at the Daily Beast notices something we've been tracking here at C&L too: Neo-Nazis and far-right extremists are not only recruiting more openly, they're being much more public in their full-on expressions of racism, nativism, and xenophobia. Unlike David Duke, these characters aren't even trying to hide it:
A year after President Obama's election, hate groups are feeling bolder than they have in over a decade, and their usually insular anger is beginning to spill into the public realm. This weekend, the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi organization, held rallies in Arizona and Minnesota. Those demonstrations came on the heels of similar actions in Southern California, where epithet-spewing white supremacists were forced to disband by rock-throwing counter-protesters. The upsurge in visibility is more than anecdotal—law-enforcement officials are monitoring levels of agitation among extremist groups that they say are the highest since Timothy McVeigh’s deadly attack in Oklahoma City nearly 15 years ago.
The outcries of right-wing tea-partiers, death panellers, birthers, and the like are accompanied by increased activity all along the paranoid fringe.
“It’s sort of a beehive now,” says James Cavanaugh, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Cavanaugh was one of the agents at the standoff at David Koresh’s Waco, Texas, compound in 1993 (which McVeigh timed his terrorist act to commemorate, two years later, on April 19, 1995). Last October in Tennessee, Cavanaugh aided in the arrest of two white supremacists charged with plotting to assassinate Obama, and in 2007 he helped bring down members of the Alabama Free Militia, who were found with hundreds of hand- and rifle grenades and other explosives. The arrests had an unsettling familiarity. “We haven’t had that kind of activity since the 1990s,” Cavanaugh says.
“We believe there is a real resurgence,” adds Lieutenant David Hall, director of the Missouri Information Analysis Center, which tracks antigovernment extremist groups around the Midwest. “The atmosphere is ripe.”
That was obvious to anyone who was in downtown Phoenix, Arizona, this past weekend:
The Arizona Republic reports that, as is so often the case, the anti-Nazis outnumbered the actual Nazis by about 10-to-1:
Members of the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group based out of Detroit, were met with a greater number of protesters.
Phoenix police kept the groups apart, as members from both sides shouted insults at each other.
Jeff Schoep, a NSM leader, said his group was standing in defense of America.
J.T Ready of Mesa also spoke at the America First Rally. He said the group was defending his country against invaders.
After about an hour, the neo-Nazis left the capitol to march down Jefferson Avenue before getting into their cars at 12th Avenue.
Andy Hernandez of Phoenix said he was surprised at the different types of people who showed up to protest the neo-Nazis.
"There's all kinds of people, from different races and colors," Hernandez said. "We represent America. We didn't shut them down, but we gave them a counter protest. We just oppose what Nazi represents."
Ironically, that was just what Ready himself whined to a reporter for Phoenix's Fox station in the video above:
Reporter: Do you consider yourself a National Socialist?
Ready: National Socialist? I am.
Reporter: Weren't Nazis considered National Socialists?
Ready: Well, there's a term that starts with an 'N' for calling black people too, uh, so I think that the 'N' term for National Socialists, calling them Nazis, is the same thing.
*Sniff* Gosh, we all should bow our heads in shame for having referenced National Socialists derogatorily. Lord knows they don't deserve it.
Anyway, it's true that the German National Socialists never called themselves "Nazis" because it was a indeed thought to be a derogatory term. On the other hand, American Nazis like George Lincoln Rockwell have always embraced the word. Why should anyone stop calling them what they plainly are?
[H/t Scarce.]
BTW, there was a similar NSM rally in Austin, Minnesota, this weekend, that drew even fewer Nazis.
As Verini suggests, much of the naked bigotry these people express is being encouraged by the rise of extremist rhetoric generally, within the supposed conservative mainstream:
So where might another McVeigh—or worse—spring from?
Experts on extremist groups say that the outcries of right-wing tea-partiers, death panellers, birthers, and the like are accompanied by increased activity all along the paranoid fringe—from radical border-patrol groups to skinheads to sovereign citizens. Two camps are particularly restive: militia enthusiasts and white supremacists; their members are seething because of the persistence of two wars and the election of a black (and Democratic) president with an ambitious agenda. The previous upsurge of antigovernment activity in the 1990s—of which McVeigh’s attack marked the apex—was set off in part by a recession and the election of a liberal president.
The Nazi bubbles we're seeing now are bubbling up out of a much bigger cauldron of toxic garbage that is being stirred up by the Right. Look for a lot more bubbles in the coming months.
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by definition, enemies of the United States?
Typical, they spout off Nazi memes, they dress like Nazis and display the Nazi flag....yet when they're called on being a Nazi...they whine and bedwet.
The real Nazis weren't anything like these bedwetting candy-ass nancies.
Did the real Nazis have more dignity and purpose?
(uh oh, I smell reality show)
The real Nazis, not defending them, did have a purpose. And they did manage to accomplish a lot of things....not good things, but they did it without a lot of whiny bedwetting teabagger crapola.
Oh that smell....yes, it's a reality show, hard to distinguish from actual crap, but there ya go.
copyrighted that concept before mentioning it. Now Fox won't have to pay you a dime.
Not really, the US was the biggest supporter of Nazi Germany for the first half of WW2, then the biggest importer of ex-Nazis so they get the tech that came with them, like V2 for Nasa etc.
Given the entire of history of the US, I don't see anything too new here, this is much what the US is, and seen by the world.
On what planet do you spend most of your time? The US made a (very thin) pretense of neutrality for the first eighteen months and then threw all-in with the allies with the passage of the Lend-Lease Act in May 1941.
The US took more or less the entire German scientific and technical establishment home as spoils of war after the dust settled.
Liberalicious says:
"The real Nazis weren't anything like these bedwetting candy-ass nancies."
Yea they were.
They remind me to cadet Nazis, like Vidkun Quisling. You have to be a particularly loathsome species of scum to render your name a particularly nasty word for 'traitor' in two languages.
bunch of mixed up people. they should get together twice a week and talk it out, you know, work on their nerves - they seem tense...
poor bastards
most of these guys are AIPAC - MOSSAD - and assorted spooks on the government payroll.
This is just like what happened under Clinton and Bush - these groups are infiltrated and manipulated to scare the American public into thinking Germans and Muslims are the enemy.... and Jews and Israel are our FRIENDS.... even as they export Palestinian body parts, ecstasy, and PORN.
As conspiracy fantasies go, this one is hilarious. Extra points for shoe-horning one medieval and two Nazi anti-Semitic libels into a single sentence.
In a way, it's a relief: those whiny passive/aggressive Nazis with their constant mea culpas were wearing a bit thin.
Well Senator Foxx had those eyes to keep it interesting a few minutes longer... as does "peep show" Palin.
that he's a Nazi scumbag.
try that shit in Detroit.
It's funny. About 10 years ago, the Klan was on a bit of an upswing and decided to have a big rally in Manhattan (figured it would bring some publicity, like now I imagine). Well, they had it in a courtyard in the Federal Court complex. 5000 protesters, a couple of hundred cops blocking off the two ends of the courtyard. A couple of skinheads came up to the cops and said, "Hey, we're not with the Klan, but we would like to help them out." The cop said, go ahead, have a good time.
The NY Times reported that, as the little group of 20 or so Klansmen emerged from the building, the skinheads jumped on them and started beating the crap out of the Grand Dragon. Turns out the guys were actually a couple of public school teachers from Brooklyn who'd shaved their heads and gone down there to, well, beat the crap out of the Grand Dragon. Klan rally in Manhattan sounded like a bad idea from the start, but I got a chuckle out of that.
Now that's comedy. He got what he deserved. And I wish they would try that in Detroit. I'd pay good money to see that!
And I say boorah! The fascists were always there. Now it's just that much more clear how fascist the Republican Party has become.
Oh ya, the curtain has been ripped open like a massive wardrobe malfunction.
From C-Street to KKK-Street the Republicans are rotten apples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv5RXPHEn5c&fe...
"I really hate these guys."
hate all racist
I guess the Nazis are upset about our first black president being called a Nazi all the time. If he was white, they would probably be fine with it.
Why are the faces blurred - these douchebags need to be recognized by everyone - especially their employers. Don't hide their identity...if they are so sure of their beliefs, people need to know who they are...cowards
It was a very strange editorial decision by the news station (a Fox affiliate apparently). These mofos were at public demonstrations, so they don't have any right to or expectation of anonymity. Show the bastards faces.
I think following them home and positively identifying them needs to be part of the standard response. Name 'em and shame 'em.
that they're out in the open than hiding (and recruiting) in the shadows. I wonder which candidates they'll be publicly endorsing when the 2010 elections come around? That should be interesting.
'...so I think that the 'N' term for National Socialists, calling them Nazis, is the same thing.'
Oh, really? Well, then...
F*ckin' Nazis.
If any one cares, the word "Nazi" came from the German pronunciation of the word, "National": Nazi-oh-nahl with the accent on the "oh". Full German party name was "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" or National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). "Nazi" had kind of a homey sound to it and sounded like the diminutive for "Ignaz".
All that said - Hitler was embarrassed by Fritz Kuhn and the American Nazis from the 30's. He much preferred the English sympathizers.
Fuckin' Nazis and KKK are a bigger threat to our military from within than Muslims - you think FIXED reports that?
the primary accent was on the first syllable.
David Duke was sucking up to Islamic extremists, stating that their hatred of Jews is common ground for alliance.
Mohammad Atta tried to rent airport space at Copperhill, TN, a half-hour's drive from where Eric Rudolph was apprehended. This is the same area of the country where the neo-Nazi novel The Turner Diaries was set. Nationally-advertised wingnut gun camps are held several times a year, one county in the opposite direction.
An hour south of that locale, is place of origin of Willis Carto, another Neo-Nazi and Holocaust denier. This info from one of his relatives, a few years before he actually became (in)famous.
Atlanta FBI's too busy playing drop-the-soap with Hanoi Ted's kindred to clean this up.
to the next anti-nazi rally. oh that's right, there aren't any. Apathetic liberals would rather blog about all the challenges instead of taking to the streets. At least the gay/lesbian community can organize a march. something the tea parties have that we don't? Crazy-dedicated supporters willing to take to the streets. Let's have a progressive march, complete with signs depicting dead nazis and handguns strapped to our legs.
Ya, what's all the fuss? you rednecks simma' down now.
we all pile into the streets and try to out idiot these guys. Is it because the loudest screamers win? I think not. Didn't seem to work last election. A leisurely yet timely stroll to the ballot box seems much more dignified.
squeaky wheel gets the grease. At least they would know were here. Ballots are bought and paid for.
and collectively we frighten them much more than they frighten us. If they're lucky the best they can hope for is a booking on something like Jerry Springer.
...is NOT "out-idioting" them. Complaining about people angrily denouncing racist assholes at the top of their lungs is similar to all the sniveling about Grayson's "uncalled for" and "over-the-top" speechifying, sometimes angry denunciation is called for!
... and the counter-demonstrations are much larger.
Check out this documentary
You say: "to the next anti-nazi rally. oh that's right, there aren't any."
The article says: "The Arizona Republic reports that, as is so often the case, the anti-Nazis outnumbered the actual Nazis by about 10-to-1."
Don't bother to read before making comments, otherwise you won't look like a fool.
Thank you Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, O'lielly, Michele Bachmann, Anne Coulter, and every wingnut Republican/Conservative, etc. for encouraging and promoting Terrorism to main stream America.
"Well, now give me my pistol, man, and three round balls,
I'm gonna shoot everybody that I don't like at all."
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Glad to hear someone still loves these guys besides me.
Hey! cool t-shirts.
I'd like to see Glenn Beck waddle down to a Nazi rally and call one of these guys a "Liberal".That'd be kind'a fun.
that wearing as a T-shirt or covering with a leather jacket being violated here as well.
Nationalist Socialist MORONS
"Everywhere you look,Socialist,Nazi,Skin-head by any name they are here".
Leave it to FOX to equate "Socialist" with "Nazi" and "Skin Head".
Right out of the Doughy Pantload revisionist play book.
I find it interesting that my sister called me "Commrade [sic] Marcella" and later that same day her husband ended an email message with "Sieg Heil" as a degorgatory Obama comment. Confusing, no?
Fucking people should read some history and learn the difference between "Communist" "Socialist" "Fascist" "Marxist" and "Maoist" etc.
When they call Obama a fascist it is just too stupid to even comprehend.
The whole dialogue has become so muddled and dishonest it's downright depressing.
Eliminationists have always minimized, for public consumption, the nature of the demonic beast they unleash. The proponents of Indian genocide in the old West couched their violent intentions in words like "protecting civilization." The advocates of lynching and Klan terror always cloaked their vicious murderousness in the guise of "the defense of traditional values" and particularly "white maidenhood." For the Nazis, the Holocaust was ostensibly all about the "racial health" of the body politic. The same is true of modern neo-Nazis.
Recall, if you will, that William Pierce often protested that The Turner Diaries was a mere work of fiction; but that did not prevent either Robert Mathews (the leader of the murderous neo-Nazi gang called The Order) or Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh—both of whom were ardent fans of Pierce's work—from attempting to enact its blueprint. We should remember this when Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter claim that they're just "entertainers" telling "jokes," and their ever-abundant apologists parrot them.
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Alfred-Henri-Marie Cardinal Baudrillart(1859-1942), Roman Catholic priest. Auxiliary Bishop of Paris, 1921-1942.
"Hitler's war is a noble undertaking in defense of European culture."(1941)
"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?"
--ADOLF HITLER
Good point. And how will POX News report this? A liberal fascist rally which was outnumbered by conservatives? Then that would make it 40 liberal fascists and 3 or 4 million concerned conservatives.
Speaking of POX News, My money's on the Cookie Monster takes O'LIEly by knockout in the first round.
Can Grover run in with a steel chair?
Bert and Ernie, tag team style. Or maybe just Big Bird. Nothing would scare the shit out of O'Reilly more than a seven foot tall bird thing. And send Snuffy.
a 7 foot tall bird would scare me lol
...can call the count-out after the smackdown!
I call them "fucktards".
Good night white pride!
You wouldn't be missed!
It's curious that the people who scream loudly about "White Pride" are among the most shameful members of the White Race....They are Race Traitors of the worst sort...They dirty white people's image among the other peoples of the world, and they are traitors against The HUMAN RACE!
In any given picture of these guys you can bet your bottom dollar that at least one of them is on the FBI payroll. These guys used to consider the Klan a joke because they were so heavily infiltrated. The joke is on them now.
The nazi party cannot be tolerated anywhere in the world. They are building in numbers and although they are a small number now, you cannot forget that they were a huge minority in germany in the early 30s. The nazi party now is different from the party of 80 years ago. In the party now you have supposed adults that have been indoctrinated into the nazi beliefs and the radical right evangalical beliefs. The two movements have merged into what is now the neo-nazi movement.
Make no mistake. This movement cannot be tolerated in the least bit and if our government does not protect the citizens of this country from them, it is indeed time for the citizens to take matters into their own hands.
Hell Yeah! Count me in.
Schoep was, of course, speaking to a reporter who didn't know that, when Schoep says "America", it's a shorthand for "White America". Saying the extra word takes up Jeff's valuable time that is better spent spreading hate.
Nazis: "Our mental acuity is less developed than amoebas but we're sure we're the future. YEAAHHHHHH!!!"
I hate to call anyone a loser but it's the only word that comes to mind when I see that vile hate mongering bull shit.
What they want is bloodshed.
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Ignorant scum is what these lying NAZI's are. They are all wimps who need a gang to feel tough.
They are traitors to this country. Preaching a seperate country. TREASONOUS BED WETTERS...
It's like they have a direct connection to the republicans.
The caucasian Europeans were alien invaders and should be shipped back to Europe because the Native Americans were on this continent first. Damned alien invaders!
was just in NY , she went shopping and found this Tee shirt , which she bought for me as a B-day gift , it said " American Indans fighting terrorism since 1492 " , love it .
Apologetic Nazis?
Europeans conquered earlier Europeans, and war-like AmerIndians invaded earlier AmerIndians.
Mexicans themselves are the off-spring of an indigenous race and European forbears, so they're considered neither AmerIndian nor Europeans, and outside of the fields and rancheros were conosidered of little use to the latter.
Although I understand modern AmerIndians might recognize them as AmerIndians, but I doubt that was always the case. Especially in when religion gets added to the mix, so you had Roman Catholics against "Heathens."
The announcer said "TWO SIDES, TWO VIEWS"
NO, there are not TWO SIDES here.
The media reporting this should not dignify them by saying they have "A VIEW".
There is NO VIEW.
There's RATIONAL people and a PATHOLOGICAL HATE GROUP.
And arguing that AmerIndians were here first has no real relevancy to the subject.
Because if they did have something like immigration laws, and a Homeland Security as we do, they would not be the subjugated race.
lets not forget " the Kennewick man " , which the american indians tried to destroy ! .
Oh My God
They killed Kenny,
You Bastards!!!
but he was all ready dead for 10,000 yrs .
the religious right, the republicans, the nazis, all radical religions believe they are right. They will not accept the truth or even listen to the truth. Only what they believe. Did you hear the one fellow say he had been there and the camps did not exist. I don't know if he has been there or not but if he has and he has seen the concertration camps he still believes they don't exist. What better definition or example of insanity could you find?
People that are willing to believe in something they cannot see, but will not believe what is directly in front of them?
republicanism/conservatism/naziism/religiousism are a form of mental illness it is killing America and other areas of our planet.
No correlation between Beck and his ilk with these losers. right.....
I thought my last line encompassed beck and his ilk.
I was just making a rhetorical remark into oblivion project.
I haven't been my usual self lately.
gots ta go now. adios.
Still overseas? Things OK?
Things are slowly gettin better. Leaving Scotland in a few hrs for London. Tomorrow I leave London for Calif. Then I catch a shuttle bus to Monterey. The next 48hrs are going to be a little grueling.
I'll see ya later.
Bangkok Bob was on Open thread yesterday about this time--having surgery upcoming at UCSF. He's at Langley now.
Be safe.
Which is better, London weed
Or Californian?
BC bud!
Tue, 11/10/2009 - 03:44 — project
I thought my last line encompassed beck and his ilk.
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i hate its all racist
It is really surprising - how can people's memory be so short? The results of Nazism ideology were shown pretty clearly just 60-70 years ago. Yes, a lot or countries experience troubles with immigration and racial conflicts nowadays - but nazism is the worst variant of their solution (if it even can be called "solution").
you think racism is ony 60-70 yrs old ? , grow up , my cave is better than your cave , my hair is better than your hair , fucking wake up , last time i checked we all live on the same planet .
And save your guilt ( BS ) for someone else , ya got anything else to offer come on back .
Never heard of the Holy Roman Empire Genocide of Europe?
Or the Inquisition?
Or the Turk/Armenian Genocide?
Or the Sino-Cultural War Genocide?
Or the Killing Fields of Cambodia?
Or the Serbian/Croatian Genocide?
Or the Azerbaijan/Nagorono-Kharabakh Genocide?
Or the Hutus/Tutsi's Genocide?
when the eff do you think we, as the human culture on this planet, will ever learn? Seriously... WTF do you think it'll take us as a species to finally get it?
Even in our species, it has taken thousands of years of communication for us to begin to find the keys to our own identities. It has been only a few hundred years that we've known that we are mammals, and only a few decades that we've understood in considerable detail how we have evolved, along with all other living things, from those simple beginnings. We are outnumbered on this planet by our distant cousins, the ants, and outweighed by yet more distant relatives, the bacteria.
Though we are in the minority, our capacity for long-distance knowledge gives us powers that dwarf the powers of all the rest of the life on the planet. Now, for the first time in its billions of years of history, our planet is protected by far-seeing sentinels, able to anticipate danger from the distant future—a comet on a collision course, or global warming—and devise schemes for doing something about it. The planet has finally grown its own nervous system: us.
We may not be up to the job. We may destroy the planet instead of saving it, largely because we are such free-thinking, creative, unruly explorers and adventurers, so unlike the trillions of slavish workers that compose us. Brains are for anticipating the future, so that timely steps can be taken in better directions, but even the smartest of beasts have very limited time horizons, and little if any ability to imagine alternative worlds.
"I hate Arizona Nazis."
Jake Blues
We were visiting a farmer's market (Zern's, Zieglersville, PA) this past weekend and there was a young man wearing a swastika t-shirt and it seemed as if my fiance and I were the only people there who took exception to this. We were pretty apalled by the shirt but even more so by the 'not a big deal' attitude of the vendors there. Guess they have shirts like that of their own at home or something.
We left, I have no plans on going back.
They hate that more than anything. They want to be taken seriously and they want you to react with anger, it feeds them. But laugh at them and consider them to be a joke...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany;-)
These Clowns of the Nazi group endorsed by the GOP and the RNC, how those two organizations must feel so PROUD and they wonder why know one takes the Hate Mongering RIGHT seriously.
Twist it fold it bend it lie about it it is a NAZI, short for disillusioned Right Wing RNC and GOP who will hide behind the 1st Amendment, rather than condemn it.
the 2nd Amendment...
Just as Clinton infiltrated and destroyed the militias from within... our Government has been running the KKK and Neo Nazi parties to discredit their philosophies.
Every time Israel needs a UN veto... we get these 'incidents' -- first the base shootings... now this...
PEOPLE - you are being manipulated. I bet most of the men behind those scarves were on the government payroll... or AIPAC/Mossad.
Grow up.... this is NOT Kansas. This is worldwide propaganda machines thumping out nonsense to manipulate you to Islamophobia and a knee jerk defense of the indefensible - ISRAEL.
'inbred' comes to my mind. Did you see some of them guys? Not only coming out of the woodwork...some of them looked like it was their first trip out of the mountains.
Probably my cousins. Tell 'em drinking moonshine made of iron water will ruin their white blood.
according to all the right wing teabagger trolls that comment here the neo-Nazis are all liberal Democrats.
/snark
The modern Republick Partei in all it's glory.
...to Nazis
extermination
they basically hunted down and killed any member of the Black Panther Party. Why do they NOT do the same with these people? Someone...please help me to understand that when black men form any kind of party they are considered a threat and hunted down. These teabag/nazi/stupid people can OPENLY express their hate and what they want to achieve and nobody does anything. Why?
"Perhaps we shall also have to hold in check other coloured peoples who will soon be in their certain prime, and thus preserve the world, which is the world of our blood, of our children and of our grandchildren."
Amended: Survey of Racist Skinhead Groups and Incidents 2002-2007
The GOP Nazi lovers are the true Reslug party.
Ya. The GOP is the Regipizan Party.
The Arizona Republic wrote, "...the neo-Nazis left the capitol to march down Jefferson Avenue before getting into their cars at 12th Avenue."
It might have been fun to follow them and make sure they weren't driving any o' them durn furrin cars like Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru...
Better yet, get and publish all the license plates.
If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and steps like a fucking goose, it's a Nazi.
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