BREAKING: Deadly shooting rampage by fatigue-clad men at Fort Hood, Texas, army base
By David Neiwert Thursday Nov 05, 2009 1:29pm
Right now, the details are sketchy:
(CNN) -- At least seven people are dead and between 12 and 15 wounded in shootings at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday, senior Pentagon official told CNN.
Two shooters were involved in the incident, and one has been apprehended, Fort Hood spokesman Sgt. Maj. Jamie Posten told CNN.
"At this point we're looking for the other shooter." Asked for a description, he said, "we're trying to develop that information."
On the Fort Hood Web site, the word "closed" is posted with the statement, "Effective immediately, Fort Hood is closed. Organizations/units are instructed to execute a 100 percent accountability of all personnel."
Fort Hood was asking people on post to stay away from windows, CNN affiliate KXXV said. The incident took place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area, the station reported.
FBI agents are headed to the scene to assist, said Erik Vasys, spokesman for the FBI office in San Antonio. He had no other details.
Fort Hood is the Army's largest U.S. post, with about 40,000 troops. It is home to the Army's 1st Cavalry Division and elements of the 4th Infantry Division, as well as the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and the 13th Corps Support Command. It is located near Killeen, Texas.
Obviously, the fact that more than one shooter -- as many, it seems as three -- were involved in this clearly indicates a conspiracy, and for this kind of target, it could be ideological.
We'll report details as they emerge.
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Watch the RW try to blame it on lefties or ACORN.
(no being funny)
Within the next few hours Michelle Malkin and crew will try to tie this to Obama, liberals, Democrats, etc in some way I'm sure.
So why would you expect the wingnuts to behave any differently?
I expect that it's more likely to be soldiers suffering from PTSD than right wing extremists. The existence of an apparent conspiracy is not evidence of ideology.
You have to consider it's 3 soldiers acting together, so it can't be PTSD. Sounds like Muslim converts with the name of the dead shooter. More like domestic terrorism.
Your subsequent does not necessarily follow from your antecedent. PTSD does not generally deprive its sufferers of the ability to plan or act in concert with people they trust. I does make them fearful, paranoid, and occasionally violent.
But highly unlikely.
Hmmmm.
I don't think it's PTSD.
Democrats don't usually own guns, but I'm sure Malkin will make it work somehow.
whether the shooters are bona fide Arab terrorists or Right Wing BeckerNuts, or PTSD suffering soldiers, it'll be Obama's fault, and "good for" the conservatives.
It is time. 9/11 got away from the RW so I thought they were gonna shoot for 11/09 as a "presidential challenge" date.
as it's 11/05/09...unless you're gonna count ALL of November, which means there's a lot more to come in the next few weeks.
That identifier came from a key terrorism analyst, Roger Cressey, who spends way too much time with spooks.
He told MSNBC that "a senior administration official said one of the shooters is an officer with an Arabic sounding name."
How blatantly racist because he just instantly condemned every 'Arab sounding person' in the military.
Maybe he blew up on his 5th deployment. ?
Obama and Gates all need to install some serious discipline into the asses of their lily white administration officials..
Have to do with Texans other than that is where this situation occured?
Regional bigotry is still bigotry.
Thanks, I was just fixing to weigh in on the comment. I didn't find it amusing at all.
when Texans do/say/enact/support stupid stuff, even though it still ticks me off....but there's nothing specifically about Texans here. It's a military base of Americans.
Just because one is stationed on a military base in Texas doesn't mean they are from Texas - I guess that is news for some who spend their time telling 2nd grade jokes. Or folks that don't use the US spelling for such words as "humor."
That's what I tell people when they argue the military votes conservative.
I say the officer and the lifers might, if the military is their career.
But as for us enlisted folk we came from everywhere of different persuasions.
And a conservative in California might not be anything like a conservative in the Mid-West or the East Coast, and the same is applicable to the Liberals. A liberal from Texas might actually be more like a conservative from California.
"A liberal from Texas might actually be more like a conservative from California."
...or an even better liberal than one from california, like Bill Hicks, after having to put up with all the f**kin morans there.
but not stupider...
Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with you?
I found the Texans were generous, kind hearted and courteous. I only wish Conservatives & Fundy types could understand that Liberals are also kind hearted and generous. We aren't anything like as different as the Repugs would like us to believe.
the validation of Conservatives, and concentrate on getting things done.
That being said, this was a tragedy... and I can't for the life of me understand why some posters thought it was a perfectly good time to show their proud regional bigotry.
I have many progressive thoughtful pals in Texas.
Texas is turning blue.
Break the stereotype - there are a**holes and jerks in every state.
Erotic asphyxiation.
please. Spare me the false moral superiority. Texas is still filled with more "aholes and jerks" than real "blue" states, period. Its often said for a reason.
In fact, i'll never live there unless its in austin. Ever.
Austin is fine but the vermin is always howling at the door.
Varmints.
Those are vermin that smell good.
Something like this for a while now. To early to speculate but since there are more then one shooter is seems unlikely this is a soldier with PTSD that snapped. This leaves either foreign or domestic terrorism, with my gut leaning toward domestic.
Can we stop calling every act of violence "terrorism"? We don't know any details yet, but this constant labeling of terrorism just adds to the fear mongering. It's murder, which is a crime, not terrorism.
I'm surprised today's date is not the 11th.
11th Month?
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Really....where are you getting this stuff?
Ill learn to read a calendar someday ...
anyway this is a tragedy ...
... it's a random act of violence. Terrible all the same. Not every horrible deed can be tied to the war, 9/11 or Bush.
Also, initial reports can be wrong about things like the number of shooters.
Given the circumstances, I have 3:2 odds on this being insane right-wing violence. It's probably not a good idea to use the RW violence tag until we know for sure.
i wonder who did it. who will get the blame. and who will be the first to blame obama.
This happened at the same time Bachmann is calling the crazies to get crazed?
Murder is murder no matter what kind of crazy.
But . . .
chock full of armed personnel was not the best of ideas... too bad these morons tend to have a tendency to f*ck the lives of other people when trying to attempt a final validation round of their insanity.
mad because the army gets health care.
They attacked a graduation ceremony for extension classes?
Who the heck hates extension grads?
In an organized fashion with more than one crazed gunman?
This is more insane that I can wrap my pointed head around.
Keep in mind, many of these soldiers are still quite young so a shared state of confusion and craziness is not unheard of.
It is just a coincidence of timing:
"The shootings began minutes before a graduation ceremony was to begin, honoring soldiers who had obtained degrees from extension schools."
against literacy, so....
to security on military bases? It's my guess the perps had to be military personal.
Suspect army officer arabic sounding name.
A liberal Muslim . . .
That doesn't make sense.
Its difficult to be liberal and fundamentalist at the same time.
No matter who and for what reasons this has happened it is certainly tragic.
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With all those bodies cluttering the ground it doesn't sound so kileen anymore.
. .
Now 11 dead
Again.
someone asked, and told.
Base commander just reported the shooters are U.S. SOLDIERS.
It's an army base. Soldiers from all around the country are stationed there, most of them combat troops. Stop being an ass and blaming it on Texans. I'm a Texan. And lots of ignorant, Glenn Beck wing nuts live everywhere.
not by a long shot. So what is your point?
regional bigotry already.
It's a US military base...not a Texas one.
Thanks liberalicious and all who point this out. My nephew, whose home is in N. Carolina and who voted for Obama, is stationed there. I had a harrowing few minutes until my wife told me he is safe.
My heart goes out to all who are affected by this.
he can't help us no matter what he does, accept to advocate bombing something his corporate cronies want.
what does Texas have to do with this, when it is a National military base where this happened?
LOL.
regarding the tagging . . it ain't right.
peace marches, tree hunging, and hippie interpretative dances are known to go on shooting sprees and whatnot. In fact I can't think of any example of domestic terrorism, or shooting sprees for that matter, involving conservative extremists.
Furthermore the increase in the violent rhetoric by the teabaggers, and people like Rep Bachmann et al, is just nothing but pure coincidence. So I can see how it is so out of place to jump to such conclusions as the one made by the author of the article.
So I can see how someone would be so concerned, since the real victims here are the conservatives whose honor has been questioned by someone in a blog. Oh, noes!
more about the graphic description used than anything else.
keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.
Shut up. No one is happy about this.
would we be less unhappy if they'd died in Iraq? Casualties of illegal, immoral, unjustified war, or casualties of illegal, immoral, unjustified violence at home? I would like to feel worse about this incident, but I think it would be wrong if I did. Because the guys getting killed in Iraq are getting killed on my tax dollar, by my government's actions in my name (and yours, too).
than bush, lets remember that.
As a result of this attack , I am shutting down Fox News and putting Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin under arrest.
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What is wrong with the commenters here on C&L today? They sound like a bunch of rabid left-wing version of teabaggers. Those dern Texans, dern right-wingers, dern evil doers!!!
Wait for some damn facts before condemning others. Try practicing what you preach and stop the hate speech.
PTSD from too many tours in the Middle East.
That sounds like a very plausible reason. Who knows at this point though? I know a lot of the vets I've talked to has had ideas of doing similar things - but not to other soldiers or innocent people - usually it's t he higher-ups or paper-pusher types they don't like.
Whatever it is, there is obviously some strong reason and it will be interesting to find out. I just wish people here would stop "playing the blame game" before anything is actually known. Talk about knee-jerk reactionaries.
I've not had to flag so many comments in a while lately...and it's not even the usual troll commenters.
Thank you site Mon.
This story does trump the teabaggers' march on the capitol so the motivation of these gunmen will be of some interest if it's political in nature.
According to the news conference the shooter was killed and two others are being questioned. Right now no one knows what happened or why exactly, only that a lot of people have been killed or injured and I find no humor in any of this.
on investor confidence in the economic recovery.
Duhhhh
The news switches over to see him address the Ft Hood situation and he is giving shout outs to people at a conference? Way to make the President look bad and play right into fox news hands.
The group that ran the campaign has turned into a complete screw up the way they are running things and positioning the President.
She is reporting at least 12 dead and over 30 wounded and someone shooting across the road. This is "bad bad" according to her. The hospital and schools are all locked down. I live about 4 hours away so I'm quite safe but it seems the situation is still out of hand.
Well, one thing I can just about guarantee you, it wasn't the Code Pink grandmothers.
ya think it might be ACORN?
Since is was a couple of shooters, I think it was Chip and Dale.
Maybe the chipmunks.
Alvin was in on it then.
I think they were Americans in distress caused by the GOP bullshit from the last few decades.
They have no official label here on C&L, other than right wing extremist.
My point is, we have multiple different factions now, the singular label top Progressives put down on all these groups is wrong. I am not trying to be mean, just REAL.
and advocating the Government do so, too. We don't consider PTSD sufferer's to be "conservative" or "RW Extremist".
One fact we already know and that's the NRA's position: Guns didn't kill those people.
I wonder how this will play out. Was the military base not armed enough to defend itself?
Why stop there? Arm the kids just in case shooter gets past teacher.
Wait for it...
their cleaning arsenal.
Glen Beck has got one hand on his "I'm not to blame for this!" speech just waiting just in case...
this is what watching FOX and listening to Beck's and Limbaughs hate messages have done. this is just the beginning. I said this many times over the last couple years, but no one listened. THE RIGHT WING HAVE DECLARED WAR ON US. They've been calling us the enemy for 7 years.
No one knows yet why this happened.
You sound like one of them.
Shooter . . Major Malik Nadal Hasan
Oh, no. Forget about all the Tim McVeighs and Eric Rudolphs. Deys white and Chreestian. The teabags are going to hit the fan over this.
Oh dear.
And Obama is Muslim! He's not even an American citizen!
The Muslims have infiltrated and taken over our country folks!
Sounds like a RW name to me. I hope all the idiots who are blaming the right-wing for this feel like the dipshts they are.
you CAN be Arabic and right-wing too. It's just a different kind of right-wing.
But yeah, I never though it was anything to do with the usual brand of RW crazies.
But it's doubtful they're the Glenn "prove to me that you are not working with our enemies" Beck type right-wing.
Remember the Falangists (sp?) and their massacre of muslims in Lebanon?
It doesn't even pay to speculate. There's enough crazy to go around.
This will not turn out well.
Luby's is closed.
And yet I still laughed. Thanks. ;)
about torture?
Has anybody accounted for the whereabouts of Glenn Beck?
Doesn't anyone care about the people who have been killed and wounded? I swear some comments here I would expect to see on some right wing site.
Come on guys, this isn't funny, it's tragic for everyone involved. We aren't the kind of people to make jokes about something like this. Families are hurting as a result of this and maybe a little respect might be in order for them and those they loves.
Thanks, p.o.p.
I'm disgusted by the heartlessness of the majority of commenters here.
Me to.
can be considered more or less "gallows humor" not mean spirited....although some of it is rather asinine commenting worthy of redstate.
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Ok, maybe a little too soon for that humor.
Inappropriate... but I still LOL'd, would LOL again.
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as if our military doesn't have enough problems...
I bet all our other bases are on high alert lock down now.
if the troops are gonna need their own color coded terror chart now.
Muslim sympathizers are more of concern after something like this.
The military is gonna go appsh*t with paranoia over it's own soldiers now, especially the ones with "middle eastern" or "islamic" deemed names. More hate within the ranks to follow. The military will go crazy trying to police itself.
An interesting thing that came out of this today is that civilian contractors are the security people at the points where you enter fort hood. A reporter who used to cover the fort said that before and right after 9-11, the military covered these places but they had since been manned by these civilian contractors.
This has nothing to do with what happened today, but I find it interesting that the military does not guard this facility.
Won't we all feel safer when the military and the prisons are all privatized?
Our own military can't protect itself? That's just insane.
I swear, everything in America is for sale.
have a clue. that post use to be my base until retirement. When the 2AD and 1st CAV ruled. my old Regiment unit the 4ID which use to be at Ft Carson CO until reassigned to Ft. Hood. Now I read the dashes and dots of those uninformed people trying to figure this out as I worry if my son who works in that area is involved directly or indirectly.
FYI for the Freaks on the Right and the Anti American teabaggers, it is basically a closed post. This terrorizes the CLOWNS on the right as they will draw pictures of secret military operations.
The shootings I will bet have been done by some very pissed off soldiers who probably are going to to or returning from their 3-4 tour in either Iraq or Afghanistan or Kuwait, while the GUTLESS,SPINELESS, COWARDS on the RIGHT will be looking for photo ops and flag waving to console their AMERICAN HATING feeling taking NO responsibility for what has happened. By what happened I mean what lead up to this insane shooting because the Anti American Right and its teabaggers want WAR and MORE WAR, but only for those with no money to resist.
The ANTI AMERICAN fox NOISE nit wit network is going to try and spin this as a terrorist attack or confuse the issue so bad it will be come as ridiculous as their clowns who pundit the words.
to start up on this one.
The count is now up to 12 dead and 31 wounded.
Fox is not reporting the shooter's name even though the other cable channels are, but they had one reporter who said the shooter had converted to the Muslim faith.
that only ONE reporter seems to get their hands on kety pieces of info....especially ones that are geared to turn up the fear factor i n people?
most reporters wouldn't report a detail like that until it's been confirmed and that this guy is the sloppy exception. But I've lost too much faith in the MSM to actually think that way anymore.
I don't know but they are throwing gasoline on an already burning fire. They are being so responsible about not telling the man's name but they are quick to tell his religion.
the name of one is Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.
I'm sure if the others are Bob Smith and John Jones, Malik will be the only name you hear bandied about.
I knewd it was a Muslin!
Two people aprehended onw.
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When tragedies like this happen, that question always pops into my head. And the answers never justify the actions. My prayers go out to the victims and their families.
My sincere condolences to the grieving families.
To the Fox screamers, the AM hate mongers and the wingnut bloggers. Thanks MAJ Hasan.
....of the conservative rally in DC. It's the main topic at Michelle Malkin's site. No, I won't post the link.
that the culprits can't be portrayed as leftist terrorists or the right wing noise machine will tie it in with the arrests of the teabaggers and have a field day with all their screeching.
The poor kids go off to fight an un-winnable war on the other side of the planet. Everyone should feel sorry for the soldiers of course.
Well, Blue, the MSM says it's a muslim sounding name, an Army major. Of course, if you expect the truth from the Army, you really should talk to Pat Tillman's family...
The right wing nuts will be howling for investigations into terrorists (and liberals of course) in the Army. Hard for the NRA gun nuts to proclaim their usual mantra, "if everyone had guns in public places this wouldn't have happened," since everyone did.
A reporter who covers fort hood said today that not everyone on the base carries a gun. Just because they are military doesn't mean they can carry a gun around on the base all the time.
the only time I carried a rifle with ammo was on guard duty one or two nights in Germany during a high alert because the Bader-Meinhof gang was active in the area and had just recently attacked a nearby post. The unit I was in had given loaded rifles to the guy in the truck with our classified safes when they went on alert before I got there but had stopped the practice after one of them committed suicide.
DID carry loaded rifles around all the time incidents like this would be common.
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