Dobbs lies to Telemundo about his phony leprosy story: 'I did not stand behind that reportage'
By David Neiwert Saturday Nov 21, 2009 3:00pm
Lou Dobbs was interviewed on the Spanish-language network Telemundo yesterday by Maria Celeste (h/t Andrea Nill), and she cut quickly to the point:
Celeste: You mention that this criticism and this perception, misperception of yourself, it's only in the extreme, ah, extreme left, and that might be the case in the Anglo market, but trust me, in the Hispanic world, you are viewed by many, by many people as the No. 1 enemy -- maybe because of the many inflammatory and misleading statements about undocumented immigrants that you've made throughout the years. And let me go with the first one.
The most outrageous one was blaming immigrants for a dramatic rise in leprosy cases in the United States, stating that in three years, the cases of leprosy had suddenly jumped to 7,000, and that this was largely due to the influx of undocumented immigrants. By the way, according to the United States Department of Health [and Human Services], 7,000 cases of leprosy were reported over thirty years, not three, which is a big difference.
But even after that, that was proven wrong, what you had said, you stood behind your reporting, insisting that it was accurate. Why was that?
Dobbs: No no. Let's be very clear. For one, I did not stand behind that reporting. In fact, we corrected that reporting.
And secondly, in fairness to me, if you will, I never said a word about leprosy and undocumented immigrants, as you put it. My correspondent on our broadcast ad-libbed it, and as you are very familiar with the process of an edited report, and at the end of that she referred to a source with whom she had been speaking, and she said at the end of that report -- ad-libbed it, that is, without script or preparation, but simply said it -- that there were thousands of people on the registry for leprosy in the United States and those had shot up dramatically over the course of three years.
Dobbs is just baldfacedly lying. He did indeed defend that reporting, he did not correct it at any time, and Romans' didn't simply say "those had shot up dramatically over the course of three years," she clearly indicated that they had skyrocketed from 900 to 7,000 cases -- a grotesquely false claim.
Let's roll the tape, first back to April 14, 2005, when Dobbs first trotted out the phony leprosy story.
First, the report -- by correspondent Christine Romans -- cited a far-right anti-immigrant extremist named Madeleine Cosman, and ran a video of her saying this:
DR. MADELINE COSMAN, MEDICAL LAWYER: We have some enormous problems with horrendous diseases that are being brought into America by illegal aliens. Some of these diseases we had already vanquished, such as tuberculosis. And other diseases we have only rarely had here in America, such as Chagas Disease, leprosy, malaria.
Then the Romans had an exchange with Dobbs:
ROMANS: Lou, anyone coming to this country legally or seeking asylum must undergo medical testing to detect and treat these sorts of diseases. But if we don't know who is coming over, we don't know the magnitude of the diseases they have, how they are being spread and where to.
DOBBS: Extraordinary is the only reaction I can offer. First, the health officials saying it's unrealistic to stop this at the border.
This is a refrain we hear from everyone who wants to -- even health officials concerned about public health. The fact that we're somehow helpless to defend this country, to secure our borders? What in the world is that about?
ROMANS: He says in his experience have you to go at the at-risk groups in their neighborhoods, in the populations here in this country and attack the problem from that way. Not stop it at the borders.
DOBBS: Well, certainly that makes great sense, as well. But to stop future cases it seems clear that one would have to secure our borders. Secondly, these other diseases, tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?
ROMANS: It's interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy in this country.
DOBBS: Incredible. Christine Romans, thank you.
Dobbs was then confronted about it by CBS's Lesley Stahl in a 2007 interview:
STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration, and on that, his critics say, his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.
DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria.
STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the U.S., one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there have been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the U.S. in the past three years.
ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country.
DOBBS: Incredible.
STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last 30 years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.
[end video clip]
STAHL: Now, we went to try and check that number, 7,000. We can't. Just so you know --
DOBBS: Well, I can tell you this. If we reported it, it's a fact.
STAHL: You can't tell me that. You did report it --
DOBBS: Well, no, I just did.
STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?
DOBBS: Because I'm the managing editor, and that's the way we do business. We don't make up numbers, Lesley. Do we?
A few days later, Dobbs invited back Romans to discuss the matter:
And there was a question about some of your comments, Christine. Following one of your reports, I told Leslie Stahl, we don't make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100 percent behind what you said.
ROMANS: That's right, Lou. We don't make up numbers here. This is what we reported.
We reported, "It's interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for 40 years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy in this country."
I was quoting Dr. Madeline Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian writing in the "Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons".
She said, "Hansen's disease" -- that's the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy -- "Hansen's disease was so rare in the America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years, America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy" -- Lou.
DOBBS: It's remarkable that this -- whatever confusion, or confoundment over 7,000 cases, they actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because -- one assumes -- because we don't know for sure -- but two basic influences -- unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country primarily from South Asia, and secondly, far better reporting.
ROMANS: That's what Dr. Cosman told us -- Lou.
Notice: In all this time, both Dobbs and Romans continue to act as though Madeileine Cosman is a credible source. Nor do they correct the quite clear implication of their reportage that leprosy skyrocketed from 900 to 7,000 in three years.
A word about Cosman: She a certified far-right loon who pulls figures out of the thin air of her imagination:
Though she talked endlessly about disease, Cosman, who died in early 2006, was not a doctor. She was a wealthy lawyer who advised physicians on how to sell their medical practices; a former Renaissance Fair queen; a devotée of hard-line libertarian Ayn Rand; and a member of the far-right Jews for the Preservation of Firearms. She was also a contributor to the conspiracy-minded "News With Views" website, where she offered up fare like "Violent Sexual Predators Who Are Illegal Aliens" and "Bird Flu and Illegal Aliens," wherein she theorized that a Muslim terrorist could "create his own weapon of mass destruction" by smuggling an infected person across the border.
Cosman said she'd written more than a dozen books. Her most successful, she said, was Fabulous Feasts: Medieval Cookery and Ceremony, a 1976 volume that she claimed was "nominated" for both a Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award (these claims are repeated on the book's back cover). But Pulitzer officials say that there were no official "nominees" for the prize until 1980; before then, there were only "submissions" from writers or publishers. In the case of the National Book Award, prize publicist Camille McDuffie sent the Report complete lists of all past nominees and winners of the award; neither Cosman's name nor that of her book is anywhere on those lists. Immigrant-bashing, it appears, was not the only field in which Madeleine Cosman was prone to exaggeration.
Here's Cosman describing the sexual proclivities of male Mexican immigrants:
Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age 12, some as young as age 5, others age 3, although of course some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile, and rape little girls age 11, and women up to age 79. What is important here is the psychiatric defenses. Why do they do what they do? [Mockingly] They do not need a jail, they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico, in his jurisdiction, if rape is ranked lower than cow-stealing? Of course he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.
Finally, contrary to his claim on Telemundo, Dobbs never ran any correction of this, particularly not the use of Cosman as a credible source, not just on the original broadcast but in his subsequent defenses of it -- even though he has taken to claiming he did so. What he cites when making this claim is a report he ran on May 16 from Bill Tucker. But here's the entirety of that report:
BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Dr. Bill Levis is one of the most respected doctors in the world on the treatment of leprosy or Hansen's disease as it's now known and he says the disease is on the rise.
Levis is the attending physician at the Hanson's disease clinic at New York City's Bellevue hospital. It is one of 11 such federally- funded clinics in eight states and Puerto Rico. Leprosy peaked in the United States 1983 when 456 new cases were reported according to the Department of Health and Human Services which attributes the rise to a large increase in immigration from Southeast Asia.
The number of new cases bottomed out in 2000, but the number of leprosy cases has more than doubled in the years since. Respected medical authorities say there are reasons to suspect those numbers understate the number of leprosy cases.
DR. WILLIAM LEVIS, HANSEN'S DISEASE CLINIC: In the last 30, 40 years we've had 7,000 by registry figures that are maintained, but it's likely to be significantly more than that because not all states require, including New York State, are requiring reporting of the disease. So it's underreported. So that's a minimal figure.
TUCKER: Forty years ago there were fewer than 1,000 people on the registry in the United States. Not only does New York State not require that doctors report cases of leprosy, neither do the states of Georgia, Maine, Oregon, Washington, Vermont, North Dakota and West Virginia.
Complicating the underreporting, many doctors don't even recognize the disease when confronted with it. Of the cases Dr. Levis sees in New York ...
LEVIS: Many of those cases have seen 10 or a dozen or more physicians before they're properly diagnosed.
TUCKER: Disturbing but not surprising because leprosy shares many of the same characteristics as T.B. and it's such a rare disease, it is not even taught in most medical schools.
Why the increases have been occurring since 2000 is not yet fully understood, but 75 percent of the reported leprosy cases today are found in people who were born outside of the United States. Of the new cases reported in America in 2005, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the Department of Health and Human Services reports that the highest number of leprosy infections were found in people born in Brazil and Mexico.
California, Texas, Louisiana, Massachusetts and New York were the states with the highest reports of leprosy infections in 2005. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Service requires that legal residents be screened for leprosy, but that screening is not effective if a person is not symptomatic. Of course, illegal immigrants are not screened at all.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
TUCKER: Now, the good news is leprosy is a disease which is treatable and curable with modern multi-drug therapy, but of course, Lou, that requires that it be identified.
DOBBS: Absolutely. And as Dr. Levis points out. When people see as many as 10 or 12 physicians and go without diagnosis, correct diagnosis, that tells you how difficult the situation really is. Bill, thank you.
Now notice: While this is a reasonably accurate if tendentious report, there is no mention anywhere of Cosman, or the previously reported false information, or any suggestion at all that this was a correction of earlier falsehoods. This wasn't a correction at all.
And note that Dobbs, on this very show, then went on to argue with the SPLC's Mark Potok and Richard Cohen that "In point of fact ... we did not say there were new cases at any time." The segment with the SPLC was devoted, once again, to Dobbs adamantly denying that he had done anything wrong journalistically. He did the same thing a week later with Amy Goodman.
Well, at least Maria Celeste -- who doggedly kept pursuing Dobbs on the matter for another five minutes -- did finally get him to admit that the report was "a mistake":
I suspect that's the best anyone will ever be able to do.








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There is no Anglo market:
I'm of Pictish-Celtic decent
Another might be of German< decent/p>
Another of English decent
Another of Welsh decent
Another of Cornish decent
Another of Manx decent
Another of Hebrides decent
Another of French decent
Another of Italian decent
Another of Swiss decent
Another of Belgian decent
Another of any number of various Eastern European extraction,
The only thing we might remotely hold in common is the use of English
And if she interviewed dobbs in English
That would include herself.
It seems clear to me that she was referring to the Anglophone market, which, by interviewing Dobbs in English, she obviously was connecting with herself.
he was making the "...here is the Church and here is the steeple.."
to the pretty lil Cathlic Mezkin Girl in the 1st screen cap ...
verrrrry subtle Lou ... what a complete f^%#ing douchebag....
"If she interviewed Dobbs in English"? What, you think Lou Dobbs speaks Spanish? Of course she interviewed him in English.
My vocabulary word for the day. Thanks.
n/t
Maybe he can go with adam sandler
Gary Cooper's taken.
Obviously not Lou's favorite words to hear.
..............he'll finally have to tell the truth about his lies-------------let's cut to the tape, Lou.
Boldfaced.
From dictionary.com
Baldfaced
Boldfaced
shitfaced
A**face
Try urbandictionary.com
assface
assfaced
is proven to be a unashamed liar, why is this person given credibility anymore?
the Right would be mute if they couldn't use liars?
...how?
.
a journalist that knows how to do a followup ...
but did that fat lying sack of $h!t just claim that 'the left'
are responsible for equating 'illegal immigrants' with 'hispanics'
....
Jesús Mary y joseph dulce ...that pasty D.B. really is insane ...
Maria
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpdB6CN7jww
Say it soft and it's almost like praying.
Thank you Leonard Bernstein. And thank you Maria Celeste.
almost gives you hope ... maybe some good ones will get a chance.
I think this is how conservative pundit wannabes interview for a job at Fox News, by lying their asses off and showing how batshit, right-wing crazy they are on other networks.
That is what they all do these daze.
UGH!
Thats right. If I was talking to Dobb head I can speak for the whole Hispanic community if you are spreading lies. When he lies about them spreading diseases he is really saying they are dirty people yet they pick our pesticide infested fruit and vegetables so we can have our damn salads. Lets not forget California your largest grossing commodity is agriculture. You loss that you loss everything.
I don't care if they're on the floor of Congress, on the airways or just spouting baloney: Conservatives are a bunch of collective liars.
Or, as John Dean correctly titled his book, "Conservatives Without Conscience"
...are the bane of liars. In the past, people like Dobbs were able to say or do one thing one day, and then lie through their teeth about it the next. Many times there were no records of their actions, and even if there were, it was too difficult and time consuming to go to the library and search through the microfiche records.
Videotape and the Internet changed all that. The Crooks and Liars will still be a-holes, but they can no longer lie their way out of things. The more they try to spin, the more entangled they become.
Your time is up, Dobbs. Either shut up and go away, or own up to your past actions and take your medicine. Actions have consequences.
to these types of people (i.e. sociopaths), it doesn't matter. You could have photos, eyewitnesses, film, tape, and abosolute undeniable proof of their lies and/or crimes and they will deny it totally or make excuse after excuse. They never take any responsibility for their actions if the end result will be negative toward themselves.
"With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another."
Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
I think you're right. It works for them. The sad thing is that truth no longer seems to be important to the public. Look at Palin--called out on lie after lie. She just keeps repeating them and her fans accept her version of the truth, despite empirical evidence to the contrary. I'm sure watching Palin get away with it emboldened Dobbs.
It's called "Creating your own reality" and Conservatives are EXPERTS at that! They all live in their own fantasy bubbles created out of thin air.
Your clip was another reason I avoid it. I see enough of the lies and deception posted in the video clips at C&L.
Lou thinks that by repeating his lies, it will make them true. Sorry dipshit.
I love the "I think it's time for me to talk" line after he asks a question he didn't really want answered. He didn't want to hear that yes, she has made mistakes as "managing editor" but corrects them, unlike Lou.
Why didn't Maria have the video loaded up and ready for when he lied? Having his printed words doesn't even slow him down. He just fabricates and dodges. Her viewers would have been well served by that 60 minutes clip that was oozing with certitude.
LS: We went to check that number, 7000. We can't...
LD: Well I can tell you this. If we reported it, IT'S A FACT.
LS: You can't tell me that....(laughing in his face)
LD: No. I just did (dripping smugness)
What will we tell the children?
Univision could have made short work of Lou too, I think.
...Juan Gonzalez and Amy Goodman dissected Teh Dobbs on democracynow.org
2 years ago ...but of course they dont exist on 'real' news ...hmmm why is that?
http://www.democracynow.org/features/lou_dobbs
so lie about people, say whatever you want, know that you're lying, or it doesn't even matter if you know you're lying or not, and just not care. Further, when you get confronted with your lying, you simply brush it aside somehow, or turn on the person questioning and assail them. How do you get like that?
Wait, I get it! Once you've sold your soul to the devil, part of the deal is that you can lie with impunity, even AFTER being called out for it!
is an American channel, not Mexican. And generally the news programs are based and filmed here in the USA. But they, like Univision, buy programing from Televisa in Mexico, and Venevision in Venezuela, as well as have their own original programing. TV Azteca is one network of Mexican origin that has channels and programming here in the states.
Which one has that show with Grande in the title?
I remember once being in a laundrymat and me and a scary lookin' black dude were washing our clothes side-by-side, and we both seemed relieved to have someone to talk to since most of the rest were speaking Spanish.
Then the show on TV started showing all these scantily garbed babes parading across the screen, and I swear every head pivoted up like we share a common hinge or something.
Lust: The Universal Language.
And it aired today, since today is Sabado! ;)
Oh, and I once heard about a guy who didn't understand a lick of Spanish, but got addicted to the telenovelas because of the beautiful actresses. :D
George Lopez used to host a stand-up comedy show on it back in the day before getting his show on ABC...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_s0-Ujxq1U&fe...
Note to Dobbs, this is 2009. Every word you say is captured in video on the internet. How does this piece of shit think he can get away with these lies?
Aaahh, he's on Telemundo. Only people who watch Telemundo are dirty greasy uneducated leprocy, swine flu carrying Mexicans. They don't even have computers in Mexico do they?. They sit around all day crushing corn into tortilla shells to make a burrito with. After their done eating said burrito they go to the town square and shoot it up killing everyone who dares to stop them from trafficing drugs.
Am I right? In the Lou Dobbs mindset all Mexicans are nothing but a bunch of burrito eating drug dealers passing diseases across borders.
out a couple comments up, Telemundo's actually an American network. It was founded in Puerto Rico, actually.
So there are probably tons of Chicanos, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Colombians, Venezuelans, Argentinians, etc. and all of the above who can add a hyphen and "American" to their identity who listened to Lou and are not buying his bullshit.
why is lou making the rounds? on stewart? telemundo?
Reichwing assholes like Dobbs and O'Liely and Ins-Hannity remind me why Monty Python did the Dead Parrot sketch.
Man walks into a shop with a bird cage containing a dead parrot.
I would like to return this parrot, which is dead.
No it's not. It's a Norwegian parrot; it's just pining for the Fjords.
Damning facts shoved right in their faces do not matter. All that matters is to keep talking, keep deflecting, keep denying, keep accusing the questioner of being unfair.
To a propagandist, there are no facts, there is just ego, and the need to win at any cost. I did not just steal your purse, this is my purse, get away from me you bitch!
This is all we will ever get from Lou Dobbs and his ilk. Remember what network made him big. Same with Beck. Both worked for CNN, "the most trusted name in news."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npjOSLCR2hE
"...The lepers all come out and sing to Nikki Nikki Hoi..."
nikki hoi - phlorescent leach & eddie
Caught in a lie again!
He makes me sick!
Yeah, Lou Dobbs is nuts, despised by U.S. Latinos, etc., but basically unknown in Mexico. Telemundo is a U.S. network, not a Mexican one. No wonder Mexico and the rest of Latin America doesn't take even U.S. "progressives" seriously, when they assume any media in Spanish (or in Spanish-accented English) is Mexican.
Lou dobbs is a racist and a liar like all good Reslugs are brought up to be.
Why does it take a Spanish-language network to do investigative reporting on Lou Dobbs racism? Why was there not some internal inquires and investigation done at CNN on this mangy old fart?
Simple answer. For too long, Dobbs network bosses at CNN condoned his racism, probably because they, too were just as racist as he is. It was only when he started costing them viewers and advertising dollars that they finally grew a set of cojones and realized what a true piece of human dung Dobbs was.
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