Feds hunting for right-wing extremist 'on a mission to kill the president'
Now here is a disturbing story:
Federal authorities in Utah are searching for a man who allegedly made threats against President Obama.
Daniel James Murray has been charged with making threats against Obama, after telling a bank teller he was part of a "mission" to kill the president. The Secret Service says Murray has at least eight registered firearms. His whereabouts are unknown.
Murray entered Zion's First National Bank in St. George, Utah, May 19, to open a savings account with an $85,000 check, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Salt Lake City today.
Murray allegedly asked if the bank was solvent and then stated, according to the complaint, "With all this mess going on under President Obama with banks and the economy, I'm sure if citizens happen to lose their money, they will rise up and we could see killing and deaths."
Sounds like someone who's been watching Glenn Beck, doesn't it?
On May 27, the complaint states, Murray came back to withdraw $12,698 from his savings account. He did not have proper identification and was told he needed it to complete the transaction. He allegedly said, "Not to be disrespectful, but if I don't get this money, someone is going to die."
The bank manager allowed the transaction, and Murray allegedly demanded bills smaller than $50 in non-sequential order.
Murray then said, "We are on a mission to kill the president of the United States," according to the complaint.
Murray told the teller during that visit, the complaint added, "We are 94 million miles from the sun, and are in-between the sun and moon, and the eagle that flies between them, and it's a giant step for mankind. ... I have traveled thousands of miles to be here and know things that are going to happen. ... The banking system will fail and people will die. ... There will be chaos in the world."
The next day, according to the complaint, Murray withdrew the remaining $72,000 and closed his account.
But perhaps the most disturbing part of the whole story is this:
A Secret Service spokesman said there will be no further comment on the case because it involves protective intelligence.
"This is one of a gazillion cases," the spokesman told ABC News. "It's not that out of the ordinary. We see this day in and day out."
Somehow, I find that less than comforting.
The Salt Lake Tribune has more.
"This is one of a gazillion cases," the spokesman told ABC News. "It's not that out of the ordinary. We see this day in and day out."
Somehow, I find that less than comforting."
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No shit.
that kind of cash does that mean all potential assasins have that kind of cash to work with? We see this day in and day out?
Isn't the back supposed to report any transactions over $10.000?
Sounds like a crooked bank also
I would... at the risk of looking foolish, say, the balance of $72,000... withdrawn the very next day... was paid with a bank check or the like?
[Unless arrangements were made on the first day?]
I speak from personal experience with regard to the exercise of withdrawing large sums of cash over a short period... though not as much ($47,000.00) over roughly 35 days.(It's a long story)!
Unaware of either banks financial strengths... at mine, I was told to call in advance [A day or two] to let them know I would be making a large "Cash" withdrawal. You maybe surprised to find out just how little "Cash", the banks have in their vaults, any given day?
My hunch, why the original "Bank Teller" attempted to dissuade this Nut the first day... until he acted nutty, then they coughed it up! :-P "It's comparable too a run on the banks scenario!"
The banks need cash on hand for the following customers, for the remainder of the day, as well as quite possibly the next? Who knows when their next armored truck will arrive? So that is why I'd bet the $72 thousand, more then likely was issued in some form of Bank check? As well, I noticed in the story it failed to describe the physical monetary allocation, like it did with the smaller, albeit respectable chunk-O-change! :-)
In ending, I've not read any further comments, so a banking professional may have answers that discount my hunch, absent my facts? In addition to the noted fact... of a NY license plate in Utah???
PS. If my hunch is correct... that promissory note from the bank, will act as a paper "Snitch"? :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
But they can't block them. If the man has the money, presents the required identification, and fills out the proper form, they have to give him his money. Nothing in the law requires, or even allows, the bank to keep his money simply because he's a nut job.
I don't see anything that indicates the bank did anything wrong.
From above:
"...Murray came back to withdraw $12,698 from his savings account. He did not have proper identification and was told he needed it to complete the transaction. He allegedly said, "Not to be disrespectful, but if I don't get this money, someone is going to die."
The bank manager allowed the transaction..."
Aren't you supposed to contact the authorities when you hear a comment like that?
Of course you contact the authorities when someone says something like that. My guess would be that the bank DID notify someone - if they hadn't, this nutcase would still be walking around and we'd never heard of this story.
As the bank manager, would you have gambled with the lives of the people in the bank? The man has said that if he doesn't get his money (and there doesn't seem to be any doubt that it was his money), that someone is going to die.
If your answer is yes, you'd have risked him pulling a gun and firing at people in the bank, I don't want to do business with your bank.
...the suggestion will have been planted in a Manchurian Candidate.
There is an awful lot of evidence that many Presidential assassins were programmed. Others were merely patsies, such as Oswald. That POS Italian rifle could not have made that shot.
"Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given." --Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman
Air Force 1 would go down over deep open ocean and Al Queda would be
blamed. The CIA/Pentagon would be the culprits. And many Arab
Americans would die!
Don't say that! I got queasy.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
I know the more you think about the worse it seems. The
country would erupt in violence. The Repubs would blame
Obama for his own death. The Dems would roll over and lay
there like they did in 2000-2008. I want Obama to succeed so
much!! I want to be proud again!!
No, it will be the "liberal" media's fault.
As usual.
That's what I mean. But I don't think they will get him.
Of course, it could always be that jealous Hillary......she killed Vince Foster, doncha know.
Good thing he's being a good boy and doing as he's told then, sigh.
For some reason I believe they have been useing this weapon a lot lately,You know by the time they let the public know about the tech. it's 10 yrs old or older
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16489-t...
Doesnt' sound like the guy can even string together a coherent thought...but that doesn't make him any less dangerous.
I work in a mental health crisis unit. We get several psychotics every day. And this guy is what they sound like.
Except they're always destitute. Not a one of them could keep their shit together long enough to acquire $80k.
So this story has me wondering how a person this nutty came into so much cash.
any ideas?
???
Allowing a person to withdraw that much cash[$12,000]...reported to the Fed..After using such inflamatory language and statements--with the demand for small bills!!!
Should have been a FED called in while they got the bills...most banks do not have that amount on hand in small denominations...[$70.000} Especially, if there was NO ongoing relationship with the guy! He could be laundering the check-money!
It is unlikely this happens 'day in day out'! Somehing fishy about that statement...and the access to 'large' by a radical !
Weird shit happens all the time.
But please tell me on what legal grounds the man could have been prevented from withdrawing the money?
He opened an account on May 19 with a check. He requested the withdrawal on May 27. Folks, that's 8 days. If the bank hasn't verified that the original check was valid and gotten their money in 8 days, there's something wrong with them.
They didn't hand the man $12K in cash on a whim. He had to come back to get it. There's no indication in the article that the bank didn't get the required forms or report the transaction.
And nothing in the article says diddly squat that the man got $70K plus in cash.
What do you think the bank should have done? They apparently DID report everything. They apparently DID notify the Feds about the threat (how else would the man have been charged?). It's not like the bank could have handcuffed the man and put him in the vault because they thought he was a lunatic.
Scary stuff is happening in our country these days, urged on, I belive by such hate mongering lunatics like Bill O'Reilly on the Fox Propaganda Channel. As long as the senseless murder of people who diagree with you is condoned by the fringe lunatic talking fools on television, I fear this madness will escelate completely out of control. It doesn't take much for the political/religious fanatics to kill people and do other extreme things when they think they are being validated by the dangerous discourse contaminating our airwaves. I think Bill O'Reilly is a mad man, apparent in the rage on his face and madness in his eyes. He tries to backtraci and cover his dirt after the fact, but I for one still belive he has and will always have the blood of the innocent on his slimey hands.
Woody McBreairty
I don't care if POTUS is hermetically sealed for 8 years or kept in an undisclosed location. Keep Hopey alive.
"But perhaps the most disturbing part of the whole story is this:
A Secret Service spokesman said there will be no further comment on the case because it involves protective intelligence."
I think the fact that the guy made his comments on May 27, then returned to the same bank and withdrew the rest of his money without being arrested on the spot a little more disturbing than the Secret Service's refusal to comment. But I am not a "journalist."
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
They're also taking up the Tiller killing to see if anyone else was involved. I'm sure Randall Terry is getting a little nervous right now.
is intended to be a factual statement
His sphincter is puckering already.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Why wouldn't one of these confused loons want to kill Obama given all the warning about him care of Fox News?It seems quite likely that there will be at least one attempt on the Presidents life given the daily ranting of the right-wing media and whats left of the Republican Party.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
And they all screamed and cried when the DHS report came out. Fact, right wingers are paranoid. Fact, right wingers are killers.
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Two questions. Where did he get this kind of money and why can't we see his picture from the bank security camera?
Oh, make that three questions. What the hell is protective intelligence?
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bank account to withdraw $12,698 in non sequential bills from it while making threats to the bank and the President of the US, then return to the same bank a day later without being arrested on the spot and instead allowed to withdraw the remainder.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Thanks Ricky. But seriously I do wonder what that means. What kind of intelligence is being protected and why?
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a snitch is being protected. or an undercover agent.
Maybe this guy is an undercover agent and they are testing the banks response to people like this. If that is the case, I say the bank is a major fail.
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which happened yesterday and made this story public.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Hmmmm....I wonder if this has anything to do with Hal Turner being "arrested?" He's been rumored to be an FBI snitch.
You think this bank had FBI agents stationed inside? It's Utah, they're use to the crazies.
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They could have called the local cops.
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The Secret Service handles both Presidential Security and Counterfeiting. The bank has their phone number. Clearly when you have a guy with out of state plates and no ID playing around with that kind of cash you would call the Feds within 24 hours. If not, I find that more disturbing than the fact the Feds will make no further comment.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
SLC is full of Secret Service ...they are stationed there to go into Idaho and Montana as well as-FBI to deal with the southern Utah/ Northtern Arizona Neo-Nazi groups and palygamist compounds!!!One quick call and the bank would have been overrun with sunglasses and bad fitting suits!
This is a problem from my perspective! Who leaked and who did not call and why!???
It's Utah, they're use to these crazies and probably didn't give it a second at first.
is intended to be a factual statement
perhaps Zion First National is hiring. No questions asked, apparently.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Dual citizen,etc.?
Protective intelligence has nothing to do with protecting "intelligence," or information.
They're talking about the methods used in protecting the president (or anyone else assigned secret service protection).
It's generally considered a really bad idea to tell everybody what you can do, the procedures you follow and the tools at your disposal.
Teh Crazy runs thick and gets real sticky down in that part of the country. If you're passing through, watch where you step.
Now they are doing the job they are supposed to after messing up, and they know it.
the decoy to lure us and law enforcement in the wrong direction.
How can we be lured anywhere if we don't even know where the guy is. I do know that at our bank if you take 10,000 dollars out of your account in cash, they must notify homeland security. This began after 9-11.
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But you're not held while notification is made, and the bank doesn't keep your money while they're waiting to make the notification. The notification occurs after the fact.
call me crazy, but a numbnutted moron, stoooopid enough to tell a bank teller (?) that he is going to kill the prez is not the brightest bulb.
of course this must be taken seriously, and this guy has just assured himself some quiet time in a cell somewherem, but this guy must make the SS chuckle--they have his name, they have his picture (figuring the bank has cameras), etc.
Jodie Foster. LOL.
They have his picture and his name.
He has eight guns, 85 large, and an eight day head start.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
But somehow, I'm not surprised. We've all known this is going on.
I hope the descent members of the GOP are witnessing this.
This is unparalleled in our recent history. And we know what happened the last times.
I hope the GOP is really thinking this through. I'm appalled and disgusted. And to be frank, very scared for the Presidents well being.
If this does come to fruition, there will be big trouble.
I hope the GOP recognizes this for what it is.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Actually, I'm frightened for all of us. I've never seen anything like it in my life.
from Glenn Beck, if you ask me.
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It's pretty freakin' sad when you feel your president is safer over seas than when he's here at home.
All of this talk is making me want to cry. I can't even think about it without feeling awful inside. Nightmare material.
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Amen, amen.
ljmel
If she can look ahead without fear then so can I?
...didn't we all see this sort of thing coming from a mile off, right after Nov 4th? If there is anything the modern right hates, it's change, especially when it comes in the form of someone with more pigment than they are comfortable with.
btw, (rhetorical, self-deprecating question time) I wanna know why I am still broke, despite hard work and a good work ethic, while a batty clown like Murray actually HAS 99k to draw out of a bank.
;P
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Probably because he was smarter than us and didn't trust the so-called capitalist system so he didn't invest.
is intended to be a factual statement
One thing you can be sure of is that THEY are out there. The hope is that because this is 2009 and not 1961 (etc), we have the ability to prevent another horror. The dark side of human nature is a sad reality.
ljmel
I'm concerned about US banks I don't think that makes me crazy, the FDIC's reserve capital is rumoured to be somewhere in the vapour range however as far as deaths and killings I'm more concerned about Murray's chaotic malice.
Being involved in the mormon cult years ago I watched many of these panic-headed weirdo's talk about "the end, the end, the end" and to prepare and buy vats of flour. This was in the '70's when Jesus was suppose to be here by the year 2000. Well, they are wrong and these guys are panicking and now want to kill, like the Mountain Meadow Massacre, but on a larger scare. Watch out, these mormons are trigger happy. Their president is the only one on the planet who can raise the dead.... They'd love to kill a "black" President. Weird I tell you. I just hope the FBI catches them. Why did he withdraw a weird amount of money too?
Joe Smith
which could mean he just returned from the birthplace of Mormonism.
Ot it could be he stopped in St. George due to bladder control issues that have nothing to do with Utah or Mormonism.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Do you normally deposit 85K on your poddy stops?
$85 K the thing that was making me dance was joy, not the bladder. It was the only time, as I recall.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Trouble is today there is a tv channel devoted to getting these freaks all riled up. They've already had meet-ups (tea parties) so they have gotten together and made local acquaintances with like thinking folks. I personally think the economy is not their real concern at all. I doubt too many of them have large savings accounts to begin with. We all know what their bitching and moaning is really about because they didn't care jack shit about the economy before Jan 20 of this year.
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Sory...1963.
ljmel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHzUCAuggeg
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
SM strikes faster than a Utah teller.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
a Mormon preacher on wedding day
institution we know is involved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGP-wfzJ0Ks&fe...
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
There are no Mormon preachers. Each member has to give "talks" in which they research scriptures and read it in the pulpit, starting at the age of 13.
I've had to give a few before I converted (?) to Witchcraft.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The dudes and or dudettes are on the ball this afternoon. Swoosh!
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I somehow doubt that the perp was using the royal "we" here and was instead indicating he was not acting alone.
in the car.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Wouldn't someone have noticed and reported a giant invisible rabbit sitting in a car?
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He probably thinks Harvey would have been mistaken for just another Sister Wife.
Don't tell him the invisible part makes this a trick question. It might cost him his job at First Zion.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Wonder where the 85k check came from?
Me too. Was it a personal check? From whom? If it was a transfer, where was it tranferred from?
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If this bank is like my bank, there has to be a photocopy somewhere.
It was a check from a credit union.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
What do you think this is, a golf course? Don't call links people and expect us to come running.
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"FORE!"
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Much better and for that you may play through.
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I went to check out my golf bag. Couldn't make up my mind between a 5 iron and a 3 wood.
Running?!? When I'm on the golf course, I'm always a-ridin' - it's the only place I can keep my beer cold between strokes!
I'm gonna drop out of the golf game talk before the site monitors get "teed off". :)
{You get a mulligan.SM:)}
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you're right POP, I don't want to make any divots in here.
"Caddy, are you good at finding balls lost in the rough?"
"Yes, sir."
"Good - go find a few and we can get started."
(rim shot)
Q. Hear about the two bald-headed golfers?
A. They put their heads together and made an ass of themselves.
(Thank you, and don't forget to tip your bartenders and wait staff.)
Will you be here all week?
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Thanks SM! I just didn't want to go too far off course. Going into the rough can be a problem.
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I'm surprised the check cleared as fast as it appeared that it did and in our bank too, there is a photocopy of the check somewhere.
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They know it was good. They know the man's name. They know his car and license number. They know he has cash. They know there are eight guns registered in his name. They know he committed what appears to be a federal crime nine days ago.
They just don't know where he is.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I'll bet John McCain can find him.
John McCain couldn't find his ass with a map.
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where bin Laden is.
me-oww!
John will just hang out at the gates of hell and when bin Laden shows up, he'll nab him.
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Nobody would have noticed in Utah.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
in one of the houses that McLame forgot he owned...
Plaster his freakin' picture on every tv news channel, in every newspaper....he'll be found.
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finds him.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Beck has dibbs on him
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....and label him a "potential terrorist."
Deposited check May 19, made a withdrawal May 27. 8 days isn't exactly blinding speed to clear a check.
The GOP?
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
...I know us liberals don't feel the need (or used to for that matter) to acquire firearms or other devices to defend ourselves. But, I can say for myself (as a black man in an interracial marriage), this IS going to escalate out of control and I'm in the process of getting trained to use a firearm.
Sorry guys but, Faux, Pro-Life folks, FoF, Operation Rescue, Liberty University and all these GOP hack groups are spoon feeding this extremism and it will spill over.
After the deed is done, as chaos looms, just be prepared to defend yourself from criminals and these right wing, Cult of Limbaugh, goons.
I hope the Union survives....
Race wars? Hmmm.
..but, it will probably be like that at first.
One things for sure..I hope the nation will hold all the hacks at Faux and on wingnut radio accountable.
Probably more correctly named, lunatic wars.
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I think that there are a lot more liberals with guns (like myself)than most people think.
Personally, I don't want the fascists to be the only people with arms.
Unlike the fascists, I don't talk about guns all the time or plaster bumper stickers bearing bellicose threats all over the car.
I view it as a necessary evil.
I have several relatives (all Obama supporters/all Dems), that I can gaurantee, you would not want to threaten their homes or families. They don't worship their guns though like these freaks at NRA and gunshows. They recognize them as tools. Tools that hopefully they will not have to use. However, they will use them if they have to.
I do think the Cult of Limbaugh militia will be shocked at the response.
You see, liberals are the epitome of "..speak softly, but carry a big stick..". I hope we don't have to use it..
I don't ever want to use the damned things, not even for hunting.(tried it, was successful but didn't like it)
May we who own firearms be successful in letting the dust accumulate on them forever.
I own a 12-gauge shotgun that was my dad's when he was a boy. I haven't fired the thing in many years, but I do maintain it in working order.
So I'm with ya on this.
Can I ask why you view owning guns as a necessary evil? I don't feel that owning virtually any inanimate object is evil, what you choose to do with said objects might be.
And I agree with you that I don't want the fascist to be the only ones owning arms, although I think we might have different views on who the fascists are ;).
And as for letting the dust settle on them, John S had it right. If you plan on having them for anything other than a wall hanger, practice and get training then get some more.
My personal opinion on owning guns is that every law abiding, mentally competent citizen should have one or more and train with it/them.
And Soonerman as a "freak" who belongs to the NRA and has visited a gun show or three, I can remember very very few who "worship" firearms, they view them as tools, or a hobby. Do you view automotive enthusiasts who visit car shows, or belong to groups about them as "freaks"
How about this radical concept: No one has any guns. There. I said it. All Micheal Savage fans, screech now.
do you propose to remove all guns? Then I assume you will be wanting to ban knives, bats, golf clubs, martial arts, bow and arrows and physical disparity, oh and being in groups of more than one.
Oh and it would take me 2-3 days maybe a week at the most to make a simple firearm from parts found at my local hardware store and garden center. And that includes making black powder for the propellant. Or I could use a effective store bought propellant such as propane or starting fluid. Heck old men in caves in Pakistan make full auto aks with hand tools.
...while I don't own a firearm, I have thought briefly about becoming armed (and trained properly, of course). Thought about it. I am not there yet. But I feel ya.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
My husband is in he same thinking process. We have never had a gun in our house nor thought of it...until recently. I am against it, but I understand the consideration.
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To date, I am not anti-gun per se, just anti-gun in my own home. But as a "librul" I am *ahem!* open to new ideas, especially as times change.
;)
(a wink emoticon? I am talking, even vaguely, about arming myself and I find the time to wink about it? Yeesh...)
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
I'm sort of on the fence about this....
I've been around firearms my entire life. Growing up in Montana, 4 years in the Marine Corps etc. I own firearms now, but I wouldn't say that I own them for "protection". If I did they wouldn't be unloaded and locked up like they are now.
I have no issues with people owning firearms for protection, hunting, recreational or competitive shooting. But I generally advise people to seek out training if they decide to own firearms.
Additionally, if you really intend to own one for protection you have to practice. Simply having a gun is no protection at all. Unless you have training and practice your better off not having one. As it's just a likely you'll find it being used against you.
southern Utah.
Anybody look in Vegas?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
In light of the large amount of cash this guy was doing business with, why wasn't the authorities alerted immediately as soon as a threat against the President's life made? Something is screwy about this. Why wasn't this loon stalled at the bank while someone got the FBI on the phone? I bet someone at that bank got a new asshole over this one.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
I don't know, but here's a thought.
Yeah, this is a loon that threatened the president. They've got his name, they have an address, a description of the car, the license tag. He's 2000 miles from the man he's threatened - a man that also happens to have some of the most dedicated protection available.
Of course, he's also threatened that if he doesn't get his money right now, "someone is going to die."
I'm thinking that NOT screwing around with the guy might have been the wiser move under the circumstances.
Knowing there are people out there like this guy… and they just keep on spreading hatred and stirring the pot over at Fox. When is the Secret Service going to tell Hannity to cease and desist? It is one thing to disagree another to completely distort the truth and incite the people to violence. I cannot be the only one who is concerned about this endless diatonic cacophony of hatred coming out of that network cable new division?
I'm glad we live in the digital age so, all that is spoken and written is documented.
I'm glad C&L, MM and others are here to document all this stuff. When it happens, there will be some serious repurcussions for those folks over at Faux.
Here here! I agree Soonerman. They will certainly reap what they sow. We can only hope the hammer hits before it is too late. I was reading about Dr. Tiller and what seems to be complacency from the FBI in that case… Let us hope they are not complacent towards our President's safety.
They won't exactly be able to claim, "No one could have guessed."
far left loon >.<
Daniel James Murray Charged With Making Threats Against Obama In Utah
Federal prosecutors have charged a man with making threats against President Barack Obama after he allegedly told a bank employee in Utah he was on a mission to kill the president.
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“THE LAST MAN NAMED HUSSEIN THAT MESSED WITH THIS COUNTRY WAS HUNG IN PUBLIC, I SAY WE KEEP THE STREAK ALIVE"
Slithering under the boards that are used to construct the coffins
you move with the coldness of such loathing; your countenance,
that of confusion, a beast without an alternative to its actions,
plans that hold no magic or beauty or love. You cannot rest. Your
rage finds its way over the cold floor, which is little comfort for
a mind as destructive as it is empty. You’re trapped under the heap
of your making; a makeshift pyre waiting on you to sleep, pausing
on the hatred to consume every pore until you destroy something.
You could have risen to change, to the worlds open arms, yet you chose
To accentuate the thing you knew would be your undoing; brutality.
There are many reasons to be angry; there are old men rotting in churches,
Turning the spoils of a god into riches, men and women waiting for the chance
To neglect a child, liars and thieves waiting for the dispossessed to fall to
Steal mere pennies that would better serve a wishing well than they, and
Then, there you are, slithering under the boards stacked for making coffins;
Living is a bitter pill lodged in your throat, death, a glass of water.
© 2008 mrp/thepoetryman
Make no motto of love that worships war
Chilling and beautifully written. Thank you for sharing this.
Truth is very hard at times; at those time artists need to show us that there is still hope. This man Murray is not an artist but that as is written here, which slitters under deaths watch.
Thank you.
Something about this man and the comment I found on Face Book about President Obama caused my muse to scream.
Make no motto of love that worships war
I'm outta here for the evening as a mother of a thunder storm is heading my way. Have a great weekend everyone! That sincerely includes you site monitors. See ya!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
they just love freedom. you know REAL freedom, the kind of chaotic anarchy you can only find in the tender moments before civil war and the total breakdown of social, political, and economic infrastructure that allow for any type of real progress.
basically, they just want their religions version of armageddon to be legitimized.
cause who doesn't like armageddon?
I'm sacred for Obama's wellbeing too.
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
Oh sure, I've done that a gazillion times at the bank. Haven't you?
far left loon >.<
I hope they catch the guy
Just a few points of order here. I've just looked at the Salt Lake Tribune article and it seems to be a few items if one cares to look.
1. The Feds know that this guy is armed with eight guns some of which are semi-automatics. They also know the make of the guys car and his license number. Trust me on this, that just doesn't happen without someone doing some form of investigation.
2. The fact that this man could have 85,000 dollars for a first time deposit would be suspicious in itself. Then factor in an almost immediate demand for withdrawal? Oh yeah, someone notified the Feds, count on it.
3. Law enforcement usually keep their cards close to their chest in the early stages of an investigation. They do not want to tip off the suspect as to what they know. Law enforcement also do not want to cause a panic among those citizens who would cooperate with them.
4. I think protective intelligence just means that someone close to the suspect or who knows the suspect might be giving information to the authorities. I have know real idea, however, so I can only hope that this is so.
5. Those who worry about President Obama's safety should breath a little easier. The Secret Service is not about to let their reputation be ruined by a successful assination attempt on the first black president in American history. Most likely Obama already had an security briefing on the subject by his Secret Security people.
6. Perhaps this should have been posted as an earlier point, but what the hey. Anytime someone deposits such a large sum of money and then withdraws it, like this guy did is going to attract attention. Most likely law enforcement would first like to know where he got the money, if he has accomplices, etc. This is going to be the start of a months long investigation, I believe.
"1. The Feds know that this guy is armed with eight guns some of which are semi-automatics. They also know the make of the guys car and his license number. Trust me on this, that just doesn't happen without someone doing some form of investigation."
All the investigation needed for that info would be two phone calls. New York BMV and since NY requires registration of all guns, whatever agency there that handles it. Trust me on this.
And why would a 85k first time deposit be automatically suspicious? I've opened a first time account with a 20k check. And I know someone that opened one up with a bit over 200k, his bank pissed him off so he withdrew every cent and went to a bank down the street. Then withdrew somewhere around 25k the next day for a car purchase.
Ya I know... The banks love the inbound... it's the outbound they have a problem with. Did your friend get $25,000 [CASH] the next day or [Bank Check]?
PS. 200k is a lot of cash to carry around.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
He got the 25 in cash, He was supposed to pick up the car and notified the bank a couple of days in advance that he was going to need it, they told him okay, he went to pick it up and they gave him a runaround, wasn't the first time so he withdrew all his accounts on a cashiers check and went to the bank down the street.
Thanks for taking the time to reply (Timjoebillybob) and please excuse me tardy response, just returned from a weekend in Beantown.
Texas whooped us, but for the Saturday game we attended, which was somewhat conciliatory. :-)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
What is with St. George Utah? It's a tiny little place but so many odd/malicious people seem to pop up there. It's also home to WWASPS (World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools) which runs teen boot camps in places like Jamaica (Tranquility Bay - I spent 7 months there), Mexico (Casa by the sea - raided and shut down), Costa Rica (raided and shut down), The Czech (raided and shut down), American Samoa (shut down) and many places across the US. Renowned for abuses, brainwashing and exorbitant fees, they found refuge in St. George Utah... yikes
This notable sum could have easily came from an insurance settlement or the sale of a home albeit undervalued and irregardless of Timothy Geithner's recent luck Or as I had done... close-out a 401k.
I think Ricky said somthing about a credit union check(bank check)... See my comment towards the top. Was the credit union in NY? Why Utah stop over? I did not see where he was given 72 Large in [Cash]. I bet he has another "Bank check" like Ricky noted witch may turn out to be his beacon... Is he leading the fed's too bigger and better things?
This sounds very similar to a Ron Paul groupie with an Alex Jones twist kinda guy. They'll catch'em... Now go get a burger :-)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"Everybody started calling him 'Cape Man,'" said Leighann Anastasia, who lives two doors down from the modest house on Blue Jay Way that Murray sold in February."
→ → → [ http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009... ]
Amended: "Murray also kept a collection of religious statues, including a "glowing cross," Anastasia said."
Study the symptoms not the virus...
to Vegas?
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Crazy man with NY plates takes $85 K from bank in
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 15:24 — ricky
southern Utah.
Anybody look in Vegas?
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Though I believe ricky is often "snarky"... I would hesitate too ignore his/hers insight.→ → →[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-LdvIL7n6Y ] ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
[Scott P. Roeder] at about the 01:03 mark. A simple Assassin. Unless of course he did tell somebody... then I think it's called an....Drum Roll Please
conspiracy:> con·spir·a·cy
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
It's always a great idea, according to Reslugs, to let every damn crazy, nutjob carry a gun to shoot at will.
Kind of sketchy details but they have found him according to this:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009...
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