Pat Buchanan unleashed his inner Tea Partier yesterday on Hardball, telling Chris Matthews that he would campaign for Tea Party challenger J.D. Hayworth over John McCain in their Arizona primary race. Hayworth, you may recall, recently voiced support for the Birthers on the same show:
MATTHEWS: Where are you on McCain versus Hayworth?
BUCHANAN: If I‘m out in Arizona, I would vote for J.D. Hayworth, who is a friend of mine and a conservative. And if he lost, I would vote for John McCain.
MATTHEWS: OK, we know where you stand.
Joan Walsh took him to task for it:
WALSH: We absolutely know where you stand. He‘s a birther. He‘s an extremist. Thank you, Pat.
The "Birther" matter is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Hayworth. Back in 2006, en route to losing his congressional seat, Hayworth tried to revive Henry Ford's program of "Americanism," which you may recall was actually a code word for anti-Semitic eliminationism; it was also a favorite program promoted avidly by the Ku Klux Klan in the 1920s.
Hayworth lost that race, in no small part because of voters were repelled by his lame denials about the "Americanization" program.
Of course, none of this would bother the author of State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America, would it?
But because he's still our avuncular Uncle Pitchfork, he of course resorted to the standard retort of conservatives when confronted with the realities of the extremists in their midst:
BUCHANAN: This is why you lose—do you know why you lose these people? Because you show contempt for them. You call them birthers. You call them names. I‘m talking about the people, the Tea Party people. All they want, Joan, is respect. And you liberals never give it to them. You call them all names. No wonder they go over to the Republican party.
Walsh then took Buchanan apart:
WALSH: You know what, Pat, that‘s really unfair. I went to a Tea Party in San Francisco last April 15th. You can go read about it on my blog. I talked to people who I thought were common sensical. I talked to people who were very upset about Tarp, who felt like there was a complete give-away to Goldman Sachs. I pointed to the places where the left and right could make common cause.
But, for the most part, these Birthers, they‘re not reaching out. They‘re hysterical about Barack Obama and they‘re dividing the country. So don‘t tell me I‘m the problem and that I‘m not reaching out.
BUCHANAN: I‘ve helped put together two coalitions, one for Reagan, where it was basically Evangelical Christians and all these protestants down there who didn‘t like a lot of folks also. You‘ve got to bring them in. Also with Nixon, we brought the whole Wallace movement, whatever you say about it—at one point it was at 23 percent. He got 13 percent of the vote.
WALSH: That was a racist movement.
BUCHANAN: You call them all that.
WALSH: If you‘re proud of it, that‘s great.
Buchanan's whine was almost identical that of Gerard Alexander in the Washington Post today, wondering: "Why are liberals so condescending?"
Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.
Yes, apparently it's "condescending" to point out to conservatives their utter divorce from reality. Apparently the preferred option is for us to remain silent and let conservatives lie and distort at their pleasure.
And apparently we also condescend when we discuss historical realities:
The third version of liberal condescension points to something more sinister. In his 2008 book, "Nixonland," progressive writer Rick Perlstein argued that Richard Nixon created an enduring Republican strategy of mobilizing the ethnic and other resentments of some Americans against others. Similarly, in their 1992 book, "Chain Reaction," Thomas Byrne Edsall and Mary D. Edsall argued that Nixon and Reagan talked up crime control, low taxes and welfare reform to cloak racial animus and help make it mainstream. It is now an article of faith among many liberals that Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants.
Race doubtless played a significant role in the shift of Deep South whites to the Republican Party during and after the 1960s. But the liberal narrative has gone essentially unchanged since then -- recall former president Carter's recent assertion that opposition to Obama reflects racism -- even though survey research has shown a dramatic decline in prejudiced attitudes among white Americans in the intervening decades. Moreover, the candidates and agendas of both parties demonstrate an unfortunate willingness to play on prejudices, whether based on race, region, class, income, or other factors.
This is, of course, the standard conservative line: Racism and resentment are no longer big themes for Republicans because we've made so much progress on these fronts. The reality, of course, is that the progress has been minimal, and as we've seen all around us -- especially at the Tea Parties -- racism and resentment are alive and kicking.
But then, none of this is particularly surprising, considering the source: Back in 2004, Gerard Alexander was arguing -- on similarly specious grounds -- that the Southern Strategy was never really a racial thing, and its effects today have vanished. Right.
Pat Buchanan likes to claim the same thing.
He is one of the things that makes my blood boil watching MSNBC. Forty fucking years later he still insists that the only thing Nixon did wrong was to get caught. Fuckhead. He is such an overt racist asshole. Thank God for people like Joan Walsh. I always admire how she can stay so calm.
just like the rest of his buddies on the right because they know the days of old, rich, white men running things is not only over but the reality is that white people will be a solid MINORITY very shortly!To bad Pat maybe some day you and yours will know first hand what it feels like to be on the outside looking in!
I hope it's Joan who makes it go boom!
And I hope they make Tweety clean up the mess that's left. He needs to do something constructive after giving this racist creep hours and hours of face time every month on his unwatchable show.
and how about the way Tweety blows Tom " the Creep " Delay whenever he has Delay on Hardball!
You call them names. I‘m talking about the people, the Tea Party people.
Hell, if someone called me a "Tea Party" person, I'd be pretty pissed off too. An alcoholic or a drug addict--fine. But 'F*ck You' if you call me a "Tea Partier"...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
We should call them what they really are, the 21st century version of the Know Nothing Party
They've earned my contempt. As a young, educated, bisexual, working class, Unitarian Universalist, mixed-race, multilingual, Chicana/Native American woman of color with a disability, I know I'm not welcome among them, and that they wouldn't want to respond to reason.
I've never seen change without a fire
if you openly carry a weapon and insist that obama was born in kenya
then they would have you do all the talk show rounds
great token.
I've never seen change without a fire
tags: ku klux klan, hahaha, perfect. truth hurts patty.
And no TEABAGGER has earned my respect and neither has Pat Buchanan.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Hard ball, limp dick.
doesnt matter if you tear the country asunder...just win baby
glad to see that he is still proud of the southern strategy
what an absolute tool
when he dies...i will not shed one tear
Not even for Bay?
gotta wonder what type of home the two were raised in
he is a huckster
he is playing to the base
this is the southern strategy 2.0
except this time, they have a real face in which to engender the fear of the black plague
buchanan's brown lips tell you
everything you need to know about
him and is ass sucking the teabaggers
You are damn straight I will look down on and disparage people that stubbornly refuse in the face of all available evidence that Obama isn't an American citizen, that conservative economic policy works, and all the other crazy rediculous crap those people spew on a regular basis. When they start to come forward as reason-based adults and not screaming angry superstitious children, I will treat them as such. Saying whatever you want is a right in this country. Gaining the respect of others is a privalege.
curtilingus - Bay is worse than he is. Eva fucking Braun.
The standard villager thinking is that only Liberals can show true contempt(for ignorant racists yet)by looking down their "elitist" noses at folks like the Tea Partiers and Birthers.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Nice choice of words there Pat. I don't suppose it's dawned on you that the Teabaggers portrayed the President of the United States as a witch doctor, has it? Oh wait......... it did. asshat.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
"Demonizing people who disagree with us is the Republicans' job!"
I've never seen change without a fire
He was right when he said that the reason Democrats lose is because they call out the crazy's and the fringe. Republican's on the other hand use these people to take power and then sweep them under the rug. Unfortunately, we live in a country where the majority of our countrymen, for whatever reason, are willfully ignorant and uninformed. It is not in the nature of a liberal to take advantage of the ignorant.
We want to educate and include, not subjegate and marginalize. However, to be fair, both sides contribute to the drive that causes people to tune out. Between the hyper-partisan ranting that both sides do (and I have on occasion personally taken part in) and the decrying of the media as bought and paid for by whichever side disagrees with you (and therefore causing those with a less nuanced view of reality to interpret it as all news being 100% untrustworthy), people have stopped trusting anything anyone says ever, and completely stopped even seeking information as it is all assumed to be tainted and useless anyway. Stewart did a good bit related to this the other day with the words bloggers use to describe exchanges that people have with the opposition.
But in any case, yes, I completely agree with you that it is mostly a question of morals why Dems don't use people and lose while Reps do and win. Though I'd have to say Dems going for votes from far left people (though they don't all, but bare with me) like militant animal rights groups or some other people like that does share some commonality with Reps going after the Teabagger vote.
Militant animal rights groups are a good example of the "fringe left" but you'd be hard pressed to see elected (democratic)representatives attending any of their rallies or protests.Most won't even accommodate Greenpeace.On the other side of the ledger however there is apparently nothing too radical that a GOP pol won't show up for if there are votes in the offing.
In fact the rightwing has been so successful in the perpetuation of this travesty that moderate Dems are constantly walking on egg shells lest they be perceived as too far to the Left.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
They might not attend rallies (which is a good thing), but they do try to pick words that don't completely alienate them. 3rd parties tend to do more damage to Dems than Reps. Mostly because Reps are in general more prone to being sheep and following the herd, I think.
... and I consider myself eminently normal and not in the least "fringe."
That said, I think PETA uses stupid tactics to get their entirely reasonable points across. What's s "fringe" about treating our animal brethren with love and respect? Point out the abuse, spotlight the cruelty, and quit throwing paint at models wearing fur.
Screw the ignorant.
BID
OK, maybe I missed something. Isn't it the tea-baggers who call Obama just about every name in the book?
...needs to be railroaded off of MSNBC. He's on like like 20 out of 24 hours a day. He hasn't ever been anything other than the angry, white-supremacist, slavering idiot (we thought we'd got rid of many years ago) we have forced down our gorge every morning, afternoon, and evening. He was an evil fuck in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the Aughts, and now a new decade. WHAT THE FUCK? When do we learn that this old hand-chopping, misanthropic, virulent racist has no place in the public discourse?
For fuck's sake, bring on Tony Perkins every night, Jim DeMint, Lincoln Rockwell's re-animated corpse, Ratko Mladic, Curtis LeMay...fucking Hitler. That'd be entertaining at least. Maybe a death match between LeMay and Mladic to see who gets to take down Buchanan...?
"All they want, Joan, is respect. And you liberals never give it to them."
Get over yourself, Pat. Respect is earned, not deserved. Perhaps if you didn't have such an arrogant entitlement mentality you'd understand that.
On the other hand, your continued support of your racist activities with George Wallace are truly emblematic of the bankruptcy of your feeble minded philosophy.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
When he tried to back away from the extreme edge he went too?
Great comment bmw528. I wish someone would say those exact words to him. I'd love to see his face.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Good on Joan to call out this fraud, but I agree, sometimes taking a more assertive posture can work wonders.
Here is what I think is the gold standard for that kind of conversation:
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/dennis...
Unfortunately, even if Buchanan was called out in this way I doubt if he would get the message.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
He'd just laugh. That would be his defense. To ridicule and (dare I say it?) Demonize?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Sociopaths have no shame or empathy for others.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
I am just unsure that hayworth is as smart as the monkey?
buchannon just an old shit bag.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness!
On foreign policy, during the elections, Buchanan wrote:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan9...
“Who is Randy Scheunemann?
He is the principal foreign policy adviser to John McCain ...
But Randy Scheunemann has another identity, another role.
He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man. ”
McCain just recently received an award from Georgia for his dual loyalty. Yep, that's just what we need, a military alliance with no national security benefits to the U.S. that would obligate us to get into another trillion dollar war.
So it's a choice between bad and badder. Hayworth looks badder, but I don't know about McCain. It's too bad the people of Arizona don't pull their collective heads out of their ass, and elect somebody else.
It is very difficult to display respect for a group of people whom actively advocate for the extermination of anyone with a slightly 'left of center' mindset, like say myself for example.
Unless you equate fear with respect, which would explain why so many whom feel said lack of respect go armed to public debates/town hall meetings.
These clown have given themselves those name, birthers and tenthers, she's not making that up. Pat's a right-wing racist buffoon.
exploitation(6:14)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Shame on MSNBC for not firing Pat "Grand Dragon" Buchanan a long time ago. I, for one, do not hesitate to write to the network to articulate that sentiment. As for "Hard-on," I never allow the Tweety Show to foul my picture tube. And when Tweety shows up on one of the network's other shows (most recently, Maddow's), I immediately tune out, and do not tune back. Further, I write to the show to tell them exactly that.
So anyone from MSNBC who might be reading this: Fire Buchanan and retire Matthews - or lose viewership. Both of them are hacks. Enough is enough!
I think they may keep Uncle Pat on board because he so often proves his worth as an useful idiot.
I also have admitted in the past that as reprehensible as he can be,I can't help myself from liking something about him.I don't know why that is,but I think it may have something to do with his willingness to put all his (racist)cards on the table.He may hold ugly views,but there is a certain candor there lacking severely in most of the other right wing weasels on the talk circuit.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
This angry, bitter digustingly racist old man never disappoints. His message is clear...the 1910's was America's golden decade.
I'd say 1810 was his golden time. And he's still probably horrified about that pesky 18th Amendment too and the demise of separate but (un)equal.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
...an erection
"Who are beneficiaries of the Court's protection? Members of various
minorities including criminals, atheists, homosexuals, flag burners,
illegal immigrants (including terrorists), convicts, and pornographers."
Amended: Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs
Study the symptoms not the virus...
keep going!
me-oww!
Old Pat... Loyal KKK member... overtly racist... clearly bigoted... Nixon Clone.... LOSER.
Pat is not relevant anymore. Everything he says is discounted as hot air or dribble..mostly dribble....
Time for Pat to disappear...
Sinclair Lewis made the definitive observation on that.
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
"wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
The flag will be Confederate, the one he has in the yard of his Deep South plantation.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
It is here! now! and it's being funded by the major corporations.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Some people are sicko. The Republican is a sicko. Chris Matthews has friends that, as it turns out, are sickos. Shame on them. shame on Chris Matthews too, if he doesn't do something about it.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
... down in Paraguay with the other Nazis?
Talk about being stuck in another decade. No, make that century.
BID
... I'm contemptuous of willfully ignorant, stupid, idiotic people.
If that makes me "elitist" or "condescending," well, so be it.
There are a lot of dismissive adjectives to describe these numskulls (that's correct, no "b"), but it'd take too long to list them.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish this fabulous essay in Harper's magazine about the dangerous lesbian intellectual Susan Sontag.
BID
reading about lesbians makes you gay...or if you're already gay makes you hate yourself...or if you already hate yourself makes you gay...or if you're already gay and hate yourself makes you join the republican party...or if you're already gay, republican and hate yourself makes you join the tea party.
I disagree with you on the progress made and agree with the neocons that a lot of progress has been made. The reality however is that those who have progressed are found in the same wing as the liberals, while those who are yet to budge a sliver either in their racist attitudes or harnessing racism to enhance themselves are found with the neocons shouting that a lot of progress have been made.
The Tea Partiers just want some love and RESPECT from liberals. They are such VICTIMS. Oh right that's what they accuse liberals of - my bad. And we know just how nice and polite these people are when they talk about liberals. What's next, political correctness? Be careful how you use the word retard.
The fact that Pat Buchanan still has a job at MSNBC is proof as to the persistence of racism, because he has been kept on despite despite not making meaningful contribution to any discussion, except make the racists know they have one of their own at the station.
You know, you're absolutely right about his record.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
When the racists call us "condescending" -- embrace it. Yes, I am condescending toward them. Absolutely. Does that mean I think I am better than them? Depends on what you mean by "better."
I AM better than racists. I AM better than birthers. If they'd spend a fraction of the time bettering themselves than they do putting others down, it might be different. Of course, they wouldn't be racists then.
This has been going on for decades -- probably longer, but I just comment on what *I* have seen in my life. In the late 50s, my father was fighting these racists in Arkansas. As in many matters, they call US what THEY are. Projection, pure and simple. Condescending? Yes, it is ironic that such people can condescend others, but they do.
Here in the northern suburbs of New York City we got no snow, so we have fewer flakes than the Tea Party Convention.
This piece of garbage who wants everyone to know that he professes a belief in a make believe deity and swears on a book of Fairy tales that the party is helping usher in is suppose to represent me. This delusional piece of shit doesn't have a clue and his trying to stay on the fence between these Hate and Fear Mongers while supporting the Racist Nazi Socialist republicans just doesn't work for me.
Call me anything but Independent or progressive or Liberal and I will tear off your head and SHIT in your wind pipe. This Clown and Bozo is what is wrong with Both Hate and FEAR Mongering parties.
I can't believe any responsible network keeps this old Cracker on the air. Pat stops short of just showing up wearing a sheet and hood.
Although, perhaps CNN is doing a sophisticated news-like reality show and haven't told Pat that he is the designated comic relief character (plenty of examples on the Real-World programs)
Still fighting the good fight for George Fucking Wallace and Richard Fucking Nixon.
Hey MSNBC, why the fuck is this guy on?
very thugly.
Pat, we don't want these people on our side. They represent almost everything that is idiotic about our country and there is not a need nor a want to bring them into the fold of forward, progressive thinking that focuses on equality, opportunity for all, severe checks on the corporatism of our elected officials, fair financing of elections, taxation that does its job of providing adequate funding at fair levels to enhance the common good and provide the equality and opportunity noted prior.
The Tea Party is a fractured group of right-wing hatred filled with people living a mystical fantasy where everything outside of their limited worldview is a tyranny against their singular, self-deluded interests.
They are the fooled masses and they offer no hope for anything better for anybody else than themselves which is the poorest reflection of American values this democratic process has seen in some time.
They vilify based on race, economic class and ancestry. Why in the world would anyone who believes and behaves as a polar opposite want to waste otherwise fruitful time and energy attempting to draw them to a ideological place that is the equivalent of a fiery tar pit to their position?
The thought is ridiculous at best.
In our America, they have their opportunity to believe as they wish. It is not our responsibility to welcome or sustain them in any fashion whatsoever.
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