It's that time of year again: O'Reilly recruits Stossel to 'investigate' the 'War on Christmas'
Bill O'Reilly decided to bring in Fox's newest big-name hire, John Stossel, to help buck up his annual pledge drive in the War on Christmas.
And Stossel -- who is no innocent in the ways of ideological reporting himself -- actually seemed embarrassed by it all -- mainly because O'Reilly was stooping to the lowest reporting methods possible to make his point.
Namely, he was citing as somehow authoritative ("I trust the folks") an online poll from an outfit called "StandForChristmas.com". Stossel briefly mentions that it actually was run by another group, and O'Reilly talks over him and emphasizes that it's "StandForChristmas."
Of course, "StandForChristmas" is actually run by the religious-right cranks at James Dobson's Focus on the Family. So there's an obvious bias built into the poll and its potential viewers in the first place. And then to treat the results of any open online poll as meaningful in any real sense is just palpable nonsense.
Stossel obviously understands this, and mostly tries to work his way around O'Reilly's insistence that the poll means something by just repeating its results.
But the whole thing goes completely off the rails and into another universe when O'Reilly tries to claim that corporate chiefs telling their employees what to say is "just fascist":
O'Reilly: But my point is, that I thought it was fascist -- fascism, which offends a libertarian like you -- for a CEO or a store manager to tell their employees, 'You better not say Merry Christmas' -- even though the reason we're selling stuff is because of Christmas. Isn't that fascism?
Stossel: No, it's ownership. He built the business, if he says, 'Stand on your head and sing when people come in,' you don't have to work there, you can quit, it's his business.
You realize from exchanges like this just how long it's been since Bill O'Reilly has had anything even remotely like a real job. Because in most people's real jobs -- especially in the retail biz -- employees are instructed all the time in exactly the kinds of things they're supposed to say. That's not fascist, it's just business.
Indeed, Bill O'Reilly has himself on numerous occasions demanded that people in various positions be fired for saying things he believes reflect badly on their employers -- remember his attacks on Rosie O'Donnell? Guess that makes him a fascist, by his own definition.
What would Christmas be without a warm cup of Bill O'Reilly hypocrisy?
I can't stand the "Say Merry Christmas" crowd.
They are absurd.
This year I'm going with Happy Hanukah - let the chips fall where they may.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
You know, as part of the secret legion of doom that comprises the enemy of all things Christmas (I think Bill refers to us as "secular humanists"), I propose that we wait to wage our war on Christmas until after December. Then we could wage war without anyone paying attention and blind side them. Why fight the war on Christmas only during the holiday season? We'll bide our time until O'Reilly lets his guard down and strike some time in January.
PS - Either O'Reilly is displaying shameful ignorance by referring to "fascist" regulations on "free speech" rights in the work place, or he is channeling the nuanced Foucaultian position that most social control over the individual is exercised through informal institutions that are not subject to democratic control. O'Reilly wouldn't demonstrate such patent ignorance of constitutional law (such as the "state actor" doctrine) just to prove a delusional fantasy that had no basis in fact, would he?
You wonder why people behave as they do? Don't turn to religion for your answer; turn to the public square the next time there is an execution and look into the eyes of the citizens. Naked crime:they revel in it.It is their life,their sustenance,their joy
has a "Holiday Tree" to avoid the brouhaha circus of battling dogma philosophers we had LAST year...We just can't afford that crap this year.
Pick us! Pick us!
me-oww!
There is:
Happy/Merry Christahanukwansa!
I think these people are very odd to think I could tell by looking at a person which religion they believe in?
I guess if someone is wearing religious garb or something but I really don't have any interest beyond wishing them a happy/merry whatever.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
thing.
They're a bunch of obstinate children who don't realize that it's common courtesy to greet people respectfully, and if you don't know their religion, not to push the religious aspects of their chosen holiday onto other people.
I'll admit that I tend to say Merry Christmas most often, but since many secular people or people of other religions celebrate a non-religious Christmas, I feel comfortable doing it. But I'm just as comfortable wishing someone a happy holiday season if I don't know what they celebrate. Now if I know someone celebrates one of the other religious holidays, I will wish them a great whatever holiday they celebrate.
I also haven't been yelled at for either saying Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays.
I'm rambling, but point is Billo is ridiculous.
I've never seen change without a fire
A non-religious Christmas is the best kind lemme tell ya. All the good parts of Christmas with none of the self-enslavement or delusion or intolerance for others or paranoia that characterizes a Christmas like Bill's.
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I've never seen change without a fire
I was ringing bells for the Salvation Army outside my local grocery store last year and wishing folks either Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays, whichever happened to pop out of my mouth at the time. I wished one lady Merry Christmas and she went all O'Reilly on me, thanking me for saying that instead of Merry Christmas. Right behind her came a gentleman whom I knew to be Jewish, and I wished him a Happy Holiday and Happy Hannakah. I thought the lady was going to bust a vein when she got all red in the face. I do believe that she took it as a personal insult that someone would celebrate something other than her religious belief.
just go get a room?
If someone says Merry Christmas to me, I reply Happy Hanukah. If someone says Happy Hanukah to me, I reply Merry Christmas. Seems only fair to me.
Kwanzaa?
It's time once again for:
A Charlie Brown Kwanzaa
Warning EXTREMELY offensive and NSFW.
Example:
Linus (to Charlie Brown): "Of all the muthaf*ckas on Earth, you're the muthaf*ckest."
Due to the fact that I am white caucasian, I have never had anyone wish me Happy Kwanzaa.
However, I have wished Happy Kwanzaa to several co-workers that I knew celebrated it.
I saved it, here's one for you,
Less scatological, possibly more offensive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUpJ5a968u0
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Coal Black was made with honest intentions, and while a brilliant film, is just over done with racist sterotypes of the time. And to answer your comment there, it was banned in 1968, not shortly after it was made.
What would Christmas be without a warm cup of Bill O'Reilly hypocritic verbal diarrhea?
Would it be cool with everyone if I just celebrate that the days start getting longer....starting December 22?
Whatever gets you through the winter and doesn't hurt anyone in the process sounds great to me.
that Sarah Palin is no longer our Governor?
I call it Merry Solstice and the bitch is gone day!
Is she ever really gone? Sigh!
A wooden steak, silver bullet's and a burning pier covered in garlic couldn't get rid of this barking yak.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
Even if she was really gone something ugly would linger - like an unseen entity.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
just sucked the fun out of:
"Merry Solstice and the Bitch is gone day!"
for me...
Don't you know, it's the one day where we can pretend like winter, and Ms. Palin are almost over.
I would think Alaskans would have a greater chance of spotting Big Foot than spotting Sarah Palin in Alaska. She is a national celebrity out signing books. Dontcha know.
When she was Governor.
Alban Arthan.
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... we look forward to that in Nova Scotia ...
Winter doesn't officially even start for 2 more weeks ...
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'tis true.
At least we can look forward to waging war on Christmas again.
"What would Christmas be without a warm cup of Bill O'Reilly hypocrisy?"
Merry?
Here's the cup we need to get BillO
http://rlv.zcache.com/stfu_morphing_mug-p1682...
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
I mean, really........does anyone still watch this clown?
What an ass.
..otherwise it would be gone or we wouldn't be talking about it.
They've dutifully politicized Christmas by putting up a 10 foot crucifix, covered with white lights, in their front yard. It says "Keep Christ in Christmas."
Personally, I like the small House For Sale sign that sits next to it.
Bill O'Rally's annual war on sanity. Priceless! And this coming from the world's biggest Christmas fanatic.
And why is Billo so totally into the cop from the Village People?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Rush Limbaugh is what a smart person thinks a stupid bigot sounds like.
of Sch-tossel smacked in the face by the wrassler in 3...2..1..
Merry Christmas Eva-body! :)
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And if there really was a group waging a war on Xmas - they'd be as nutso as O'Reilly and Stossel trying to 'investigate' the 'War on Christmas'
just sayin'
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
...Harry Reems is still working.
"I dunno.. I dunno.. I dunno.., FOX..!"
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I don't understand why O Reallllly doesn't attack that hairy paean to skin flicks as an out and out assault on the holidays and family values and xtian culture.
me-oww!
...since its the holidays... heres everybody's favorite
Drunk'ell ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsMjJsp92g&fe...
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Every year like clock work my boss treats us all to the "war on Christmas" speech. he then polls the office and asks us in the most mocking tone "why is saying Merry Christmas so bad", then it descends into an office wide critique of political correctness.
I should add this same boss picked "seasons greetings" christmas cards for the clients.
In true conservative fashion he doesn't practice what he preaches.
Just like John and Bill at Fox.
BOR's opinion, how does he justify Rupert's talking points every day? Huh?
The few I have sent over the last years had Korean wirting on them so no one knows what the hell they say (they say Happy New Year, but... )
This war on Xmas is something new, since I've been abroad. I had to google Kwanzaa (never heard of it.)
I say Merry Christmas, and I'm not a Christian. Is that bad?
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Stossel went to FAUX. That is where this lying sack of shite belongs.
He is with his kind in total now.
o'really needs to grow up and realize that his sacrosanct marketplace created Christmas as we know it to sell their merchandise, and now has replaced Merry Christmas with Happy Holidays in a faux pretense of tolerance, when it's actually about not wasting money on decorations and workers wages everyday between Halloween and New Year, going up and down ladders changing them for four months straight.
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to be multicultural and providing for all of your Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanzaa needs. Does Islam celebrate anything this time of the year? Why nothing for Wiccans celebrating the Winter Solstice? Saturnalia? Hello?
I understand Eid ul-Adha is celebrated around this time, but not to be confused with Eid ul-Fitr which comes earlier. But they follow the lunar calendar not solar, so dates are approximate. Much like Easter floats a little due to it's being based on the lunar calendar, the only one I know of from Christianity, probably belying it's Pagan roots as Eostre (or Ostra).
Of course as a Wiccae I'm glad they haven't discovered our holidays to exploit them and us.
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Solstice and Saturnalia are too taboo, but then I realized, does anyone really want those holidays being commercialized like Christmas? Who wouldn't profit from the commericializing of said holidays? Nu uh.
I've never seen change without a fire
Solstice is too scientific sounding, it is the occasion for holiday making, not the holiday itself, and Saturanlia is rather grim, Saturn being the god of old age illness and death, comparable to the Old Year as opposed to the baby New Year. It didn't lend itself well to gifts, essentially it was limited to balls for boys, dolls for girls and candles exchanged between adults to encourage the return of light. But it was in the parties, feasting and singing that they excelled and has been carried over into modern custom.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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I've never seen change without a fire
That's what I tend to use, because it's recognizable, but derived from Jul, the Nordic holiday celebrating the God Balder, murdered accidentally by blind Hod, at Loki's instigation, but who is supposed to return after Ragnarok to resume a new race of Gods and mortals.
Otherwise for my own use I use Alban Arthan, which is the Welsh name for the holiday meaning Light of Winter, but according to an older more poetic source it means Light of Arthur.
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I'll be sure to call Yule from now on. :)
I've never seen change without a fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MuvvS_xSw
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now! :|
I've never seen change without a fire
Whoa, that's a lot of interesting things to keep in mind.
Wed, 12/09/2009 - 21:09 — Annaleigh
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That's why I don't hang around much with Witches either; they just look at me like I'm out of my mind too like everyone else.
Now people wonder why I rarely speak, and seemed annoyed if they do.
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interesting than the average person. ;)
You're certainly never ever boring, and that's a great thing!
I've never seen change without a fire
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The lunar year is shorter than the solar year, so holidays based on it (like Ramadan and the Eid) gradually move forward through the year (i.e. occur earlier each year than the year before). These holidays may occur at any time of the solar year.
It makes it approximate to those used to a solar calendar. Because generally whatever date the holiday falls on it's generally within a week or two, based on lunations.
It's like Ramadan is approximately in September, but they start it according to the first appearance of the New Moon, which of course varies from month to month, year to year.
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favor God not showing up for the War....
What would Christmas be without a warm cup of Bill O'Reilly hypocrisy?
Pleasant.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
CHRIST LEFT CHRI$TMA$ A LOONNNGGGGG TIME AGO.
Merry Kah-Ching!
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEpaBLhcchs
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Bah! Humbug!
If O'Reilly has a problem with that he can kiss my shiny metal ass.
Is that you bender?
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
It is time to stop this losing winter campaign, repair to hearth and home and store our energy for the day the new shoots push through the melting snow. Then we can paint our faces and our eggs, don our Easter War bonnets and force Christ down the throats of these Happy Holiday harlatans! None of them have any fairy tales or festivals to compete with the resurrection. SCREW THE BIRTHDAY. WE WIN ON REBIRTH DAY!
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Stossel is such an asshole.
You know Stossel, Hitler, Mussolini and Saddam all wore mustaches... Hrmm...maybe Glenn Beck could draw some kind of a comparison on his chalk board.
I just killed the little baby jesus.
Mission Accomplished.
I kinda suspected you might be Jewish.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I'm secretly Roman, come on.
They sold lot hotcakes in the middle ages. Think what they could bring with modern E-Bay technology? Shroud of Sham Wow here I come.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
He knows that there is money in fear and ignorance... and HE IS RIGHT! He is just exploiting another rich American resource and has made MILLIONS by doing so.
Wonder what would happen if I said Marry Christmas? It wouldn't fly in California.
(no spelling mistake)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
...who just wrapped up their yearly WAR ON HALLOWEEN!!!
What a bunch of morons.
been waging a pointless war on Halloween every year without fail!
I've never seen change without a fire
The problem is the Supreme Court has already decided that.
Both Halloween and Christmas are considered secular holidays
And only in the latter are you given time off
Presumably because so many people would ask for it that it's now a given.
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children and teens from having fun on Halloween, but that's also another good point. :)
(and trust me on the guilt/scare part...I had to sit through an anti-Halloween video one Halloween night when I was in junior high...they ironically want to scare the bejesus out of you to get you not to enjoy the night)
I've never seen change without a fire
Actually Halloween is it's Christian name, Roman Catholic. It means Holy Evening for what follows, All Saints Day on November 1, and All Souls Day on November 2nd, although PC media would have you believe it's about Dia de los Muerto.
The ancient holiday of Samhain has still been carried down because November in Scottish Gaelic is An t-Samhain, August is Lùnasdal which to my ear sounds like the Irish holiday of Lughnasadh, still practiced in August, although it started as a festival honoring their God Lugh Lámhfhada, who turned into a fly and flew into a Princess Boann's drink which she swallowed, and after the proper course of time gave birth to Setanta, later knows under his adult name Cuchulainn, Ireland's greatest hero.
Of course Cuchulainn got his adult name at the age of 5 when supposedly he had already attained the stature of a 15 year old. His father took him to visit a nobleman named Cuchu, but the man's guard dogs attacked them, and five year old Setanta was forced to kill them. Cuchu was furious, and realizing that was the case Setanta offered to act as his guard dog until suitable replacements could be found. So Setanta became known as Cuchu's Hound, Cuchulainn. This also sounded like the fostering used by ancient Celtic clans to have one's children at a certain age raised by another family to strenghten clan ties.
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bill o'really's Irish, he should know this.
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believe that's the Catholic Church's doing, mainly because the Pre-Columbian holiday fell sometime around our early August, in Miccailhuitontli... But the idea of it goes sorta neatly with All Saints and All Souls Day, so they prolly co-opted it to try and keep people from practicing the old religions...
I've never seen change without a fire
It's what they did to the Celts. However, we don't know what the Celtic Church and the English Church might've done before the Roman Church overthrew them at the Battle of Hastings, and imposed the Roman Catholic Church in 1066.
Hic Iacet Sepvltvs Ihcltvs Rex Artvrivs Ih Ihsvla Avalohia Rex Quondam, Rexque Futurus.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It has always seemed to me that festivals and holidays that center around planting and harvest are much more innate than any casual observer realizes.
Holloween to me is the exception, it falls on a time of year when the stark reality of frost on the pumpkin tells you that if you have not found someone yet to cozy up with for the long winter...you are shite outta luck. Harvest is long over, you have consolidated your stores, but if you are not nesting with that special someone, winter can be verrrrry long. Certainly antlered mammals in the Northern Hemisphere begin mating as the temperature drops. We as human may regard ourselves as too sophisticated and sapient to revert to primitive stirrings, but we are mammals with innate tendencies and at certain times of the year we are guided along regardless of the sum total of our personal knowledge and growth.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
That's what I think too.
I think humans have always felt more closer to animals than often clerics, and tut-tutting scientists, would have us. Think of all the cave paintings of horned men, either priests or gods. Carlos Ginsburg's book Ecstasies: Deciphering the Witches' Sabbath posits his view that much of Europe were wolf worshipers previous to Christianity. Look how close we get to our dogs, our cats (like Egyptians) and even horses. Research has shown farm kids seem to have a higher immunity to disease due to close contact with animals. Think of the way we're instinctively diurnal and not nocturnal. Even before farming we knew at a certain point of the year gathering would be fruitless.
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when Bill'O goads Lil' Stoss into admitting that when someone says "Happy Holidays" to him, he fires back with "Merry Christmas", just to piss off the "politically correct" lefties.
Always nice to respond to a pleasant greeting with passive-aggressive douchebaggery.
then I say, "I am not christian" with a disgusted look on my face.
gee willy whillikers it really cheers me to bits to see how filled with glee billo is with his newest new bff, stossel.
but bill is for once right in away about one thing when he mentions corporate fascism being alive and well in today's workplace vis a vis public speech as employees. it's true. you want to keep your job you generally put a handle on your mouth, curb your impulses, shut your yap, and keep your opinions to yourself unless you wish to work elsewhere.
oopsy, billo just agreed that elements of capitalism parallel fascist ideology.
i got news for you billo, christmas in corporate america *used* to be fun, up until the early '80's. many offices/companies used to have real christmas parties with a tree, decorations, food, booze, and music, where people would enjoy themselves, and generally end up doing things they'd regret until next year's party. then the lawyers, religious groups, madd, political correctness, assorted social movements, et al put the hammer down and scared the companies which killed the parties, and made them wary of even overtly mentioning the holiday's name.
on a lighter note, now that billo's thugs have have kicked their season's festivities off by dragging an elementary school into their fave dark alley for an annual christmas "kiss", who's next? a day care? battered women's shelter? an orphanage? who? you know bill, peta doesn't properly celebrate christmas either...just sayin'.
Merry Christmas = Sale$
Obviously that's what it's all about
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
you liberals keep your hands off my christmas
this is a country created by god and for god
I am an insurance sale broker and I love my freedoms
this is america and this is god's chosen nation
as a small business person I can make six figure income
selling health insurance for private companies
last year i was able to get a huge bonus as i was able to find many errors in contracts and i was able to deny converage due to pre existing conditions to several hundred people.
I saved my insurance company millions of dollars for denying converage. and got a huge bonus for doing so.
I love my job and my country and my church and my religion and my freedoms.
the taliban are trying to take our freedoms aways with their missles and their navy and their air force.
christianity is the only religion that gets one to heaven.
god bless america what other country could i make six figure income from health insurance.
what would capitalism be if we could not make mega profits off the sick and needy.
jesus was a capitalist you know as he said the poor will always be with you.
I am doing my best to make sure those poor and those with pre existing conditions dont get health insurance.
this is why capitalism works with people like me in america. profits are a spiritual reality.
we are the greatest nation on earth and the rest of the world wants to live here and have our freedoms.
what other nation can i drive around in my pick up truck with a gun in the back window.
signed
tea bagger from texas: god's state
you liberals keep your hands off my christmas
we wouldn't want to touch your concept of what a "christmas" is, thank you very much. we also tend to wash after using restrooms too.
this is a country created by god and for god
what does god need with a
starshipcountry? - captain kirk - the undiscovered countryI am an insurance sale broker and I love my freedoms
this explains so much.
this is america and this is god's chosen nation
if this is true, america's got some fretting to do. god's got a track record of kicking his "chosen" countries, bffs, and children to the curb.
as a small business person I can make six figure income
selling health insurance for private companies
no doubt.
last year i was able to get a huge bonus as i was able to find many errors in contracts and i was able to deny coverage due to pre existing conditions to several hundred people.
you know who else was a great believer in denial of health services due to particular "pre-existing conditions"? hitler.
I saved my insurance company millions of dollars for denying coverage. and got a huge bonus for doing so.
no doubt.
I love my job and my country and my church and my religion and my freedoms.
doesn't surprise me.
the taliban are trying to take our freedoms always with their missiles and their navy and their air force.
uhhhh...the taliban don't have missiles, a navy (afghanistan's landlocked, durrrrr, hey!), or an air force
christianity is the only religion that gets one to heaven.
only one of the many particular christian flavored heavens.
god bless america what other country could i make six figure income from health insurance.
none. i agree. you're virtually unemployable over the entire rest of the planet.
what would capitalism be if we could not make mega profits off the sick and needy.
ethical and moral.
jesus was a capitalist you know as he said the poor will always be with you.
he wasn't a capitalist, he was prescient. he understood that capitalism's rich cannot exist without leeching off of the poor.
I am doing my best to make sure those poor and those with pre existing conditions don't get health insurance.
you know who also did his best..(take a wild guess)
this is why capitalism works with people like me in america. profits are a spiritual reality.
mammon isn't the christian god...perhaps yours though.
we are the greatest nation on earth and the rest of the world wants to live here and have our freedoms.
perhaps once we generally start making better beer...
what other nation can i drive around in my pick up truck with a gun in the back window.
somalia
signed
tea bagger from texas: god's state
you'd think "god's state" would have a better football team.
I thought Researcher's comment was snark. Not?
that's why i said "pretty amusing troll/parody... "...
the problem is,and be honest here we are talking about wingnuts, can we be certain?
just to let you know reseacher isn't a teabagger. He was only channeling one.
Was that whole conversation drowning in anal retentive self indulgence?
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
but it's hardly retentive. More like anal repulsive.
me-oww!
I think that we can agree on self indulgent though.....just sayin'
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
They should ban santa and christmas trees which are pagan rituals added to Christmas. Keep Christmas a strictly religious holiday, a day to contemplate Christ's birth and message. And no gift buying. Yeah, corporate america would definately support THAT....
This man is offended by people saying "Happy Holidays" to them. How can this be possible? The wackaloons discuss this "nontroversy" year after year. What a stupid "issue" to waste air time on.
O'Reilly is beyond reach.
Hey Bill! Merry Christmas, ya bastard.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWDVpSUXHem
Couldn't of said it better!
Says it all right there. That's Billo's whole concept of Christmas - selling stuff.
Years ago my wife and I went to actually making little gifts for our parents. Needlepoint, birdhouses, bookmarkers, picture frames, snack baskets with their faves, or even a poem. A donation in their name to there favorite charity. Our folks don't need (or want or have room for), as Bill said, more "stuff." And I'm guessing a huge percentage of adults get crap they could care less about. That is why the lines are so long at retailers the day after Christmas. Bill actually nials it with that statement - the "war on Christmas" started long, long ago. But it had nothing to do with semantics.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
That's why they call it Boxing Day
It's when we re-box our X-mas presents to take to Returns.
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so many more people that will have family and friends deployed to Afghanistan this "issue" is at the top of their holiday, er, Christmas list. That Bill-O doesn't see the insane ridiculousness of arguing about the holiday greeting exchanges of shopppers and retailers from a religious perspective...or he does and it's just a ratings booster. If it really bothers someone that much they could look up businesses with the little fish symbol in the phone book and only express the true meaning of Christmas at those fine establishments.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
Many years ago I said, "It's a happy day at Shoney's" while answering the phone so many times I wanted to blow my brains out.
When I stopped. I was repeatedly reprimanded - until they stopped scheduling me. Fired.
Bill O'Lielly? STFU and get a job in a "right-to-work" state. You won't last a day.
So first christians steal the winter solstice. Then they christ it all up. Then they impose their christy religious bullshit on to the rest of us. They mark their territory with their religious bullshit.
Stop pissing all over our stuff. Assholes.
If christians want to "keep" christ in christmas then they should demand that the government get out of the christmas business in the first place. That way the christians can be as religious as they want to be. And, of course, we wouldn't have to hear their god damn fucking whining about it.
Also the Bible establishes no birth date, so around the 4th century the Western Church chose Dies Natalis Solis Invictus, the birth date of Mithra, although shared by other sun gods too like Hercules; the Eastern Church took the Aeon, birthdate of Marsyas January 6th, 12th Night, Night of the Magi, Epiphany.
Santa Claus was developed by Christians. It's a corruption of Saint Nicholaus, who was supposedly a bishop in the 3rd or 4th century born in Greece, but a bishop in Turkey (Myra). The Dutch turned the name into Sinte Klaas and came to the New World, where we picked it up.
But there were predecessors, Old Man Winter, Father Frost, even Odin who flew on his reindeer distributing primarily food stuffs and wood for fire so poorer folk could enjoy his feast day on December 6th, coincidentally the feast day for Saint Nicholas.
One must remember, however, that almost any saint before the 9th century is likely to be fictionalized or even a euhemerized version of an old god. By the late medieval period hagiographies were all the rage, because pilgrimages to churches who could claim saint relics became a big business. So most of these names are from by Jacobus de Voragine book, Legenda Aurea or Legenda Sanctorum, written between 1260-1275, which he wrote with all kinds of nasty tortures and executions of the saints for the edification of young Christian Boys and Girls, which for centuries, even after being largely discounted, continued to bolster the idea that there was so huge persecution of Christians.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When Christians around me push the "Jesus is the reason for the season" thing, I always laugh. Lately, like O'Reilly, they're pretty fired up about it to the point of getting angry with anyone who doesen't agree.
The funny part? Watching the expression on their faces when I tell them that Christmas was originally NOT a Christian holiday so relax.
Ever heard of the Roman emperor Constantine? He declared the Roman festival of Saturnalia to be a Christian holiday in the 4th century A.D. in order to promote the new religion of Christianity he adopted to save his empire. That's where the red, green, and gold familiar colors of Christmas came from among other familiar traditions. Given that so many other religions have similar holidays this time of year, and given that just about every ancient culture has a winter festival of some kind (also contributing to the tradition we have today), how is that the Christians own this one?
Merry Chrismahaunnkwanzadan everyone! Happy Saturnalia too.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
Ooh, link please, to this source info or any good site explaining it. I've got some shit stirring to do...
It's historical fact.
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a Lunatic Asylum. -Havelock Ellis
For years I've been trying to get an autographed pic of Bill to put on top of my seasonal Holiday Tree ---- with blinky lights. But alas, my dream remains unfulfilled. For some reason, I don't think people believe me.
Bruce C Johnson
Jeebus...reading those comments on 'christmas friendly/christmas offensive' stores is ridiculous. Get off the cross, honey, someone could use the wood.
Boy, am I confused. How can there be a war on Xmas when everywhere I go all I see are lights, giant holiday decorations, wreaths, reindeer, creches, and fake snowflakes? Or is the war strictly limited to verbal greetings?
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