Max Blumenthal goes toe-to-toe with Morning Joe about the spread of far-right wingnuttery
By David Neiwert Tuesday Sep 22, 2009 2:00pm
Max Blumenthal went on Morning Joe today to debate the nature of the unhinged rhetoric and behavior that's becoming part and parcel of the right-wing response to Obama's presidency.
Joe Scarborough often talks a good game about realizing what a huge mistake it is for Republicans to allow themselves to be dragged over the cliff like this, but like David Brooks, he has yet to come to grips with the dimension of the beast he's up against. Max tried to set him straight, but as you can see, this is a very slow process for recovering movement conservatives.
Both Joe and Mike disputed some of Max's facts, and as promised he's posted the substantiation for those facts at his blog. Yes, it's true that Jim DeMint believes that neither single pregnant women nor gays and lesbians -- moral reprobates all, apparently -- should be allowed to teach in public schools.
Incidentally, you can find these details and many more in Max's new book, Republican Gomorrah: Inside the Movement That Destroyed the Party. On bookshelves everywhere!
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allow Jim Duhmint to clean the toilets of the restrooms at my son's school. He's looking for deviant behavior? He need only look in the mirror.
Nixon and especially Reagan invited the DixieCrats to leave the Democratic Party (where they had been the "Southern Dems" since before the Civil War) and join the Republican Party, becoming its "base".
The Party of Lincoln - who freed the slaves - became the Party of Jim Crow.
The Party of Lincoln - that fought the Secessionists and won - now harbors Secessionists in its highest ranks.
that these people - the GOP - should not be allowed to have ANYTHING to do with fixing our health care.
Even the most moderate Republicans pander to their wacko base. And their wacko base should not be allowed to have ANY input into our health care.
This isn't about shutting them out because they are criminally greedy pigs who don't care if people die for their malfeasence as long as their profits margins are high.
This is about shutting them out BECAUSE THEY ARE FREAKING NUTS. And putting the inmates in charge of the asylum really isn't a very good idea. You'd think even the GOP would get this after the last eight years, but they don't, because THEY ARE FREAKING NUTS.
Move on without them. When they have health care, we can get them on some good meds, turn them into Obamazombies who willingly give up their guns and bombs and let their children be inspired by the president to stay in school, while they develop a deep and abiding love for SocialMarxFascistCommunism and government paid for abortions and death panels.
(OK, that last part was just to freak out the trolls, but don't tell them that.)
I think Joe Scarborough is bi-polar.
he's just used to talking to people who can't track a complex sentence for coherence - you know, Republicans.
Being a Republican means never minding if you contradict yourself multiple times in one statement.
Yes, history will judge you on what you've said. Excuse me while I go try to kill Net Neutrality before you can get that video footage up on youtube.
Max, tell me where Osama bin Laden's rape rooms were. Tell me how Saddam Hussein killed six million Jews. When did Hitler send people to fly airplanes into buildings? How can you say these people are radicals? I think you're exaggerating their significance.
Just heard Max on Randi Rhodes and I gotta say the whole "James Dobson saved Ted Bundy's soul" and that "Ted Bundy is a poster boy for the Republican party" is over way over the top.
Manson was a "liberal" Nya nya nya-nya nya. And????
There's enough evidence to sink 'em all without going there. And that "No, you're a Nazi...No, you are" crap just loses the independents.
I like Max but some of his book is a bit of a stretttttttttch.
he did, to get himself national attention
till then, no one knew who the fuck dobson was
and bundy played him well
but it was from those series of interview that dobson gained a national stage
and he isnt even a religious figure...he has a phd in psych (how he got one, ill never know) for his concepts on child rearing are 18th century bs
All true but Max's conclusions (On Randi's show) about Dobsy and Bundy re: the "Republican Party" (whatever that is) just sounded nut baggy. Bundy was a Republican hack when he was young ergo Republicans are serial killers?
It was just a creepy, disconnected and pointless thing to say...I changed stations at that point.
bundy found a great hiding place amongst the repukes
why did he become a repuke and not a dem?
why did he work to get repukes elected?
because they are a party that shared his views
that women are things and that people mean nothing
in fact, most repukes could be serial killers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM-0S6CMVqc&fe...
Not a very intelligent or useful conversation... just kind of went around in circles.
Not sure what the point of the conversation was.
I think they all agree on the right-wing nuttery.
Blumenthal makes the good point that it is not just the few teabaggers, but it is also the Republican leadership that is nutty. He should have made that point stronger. He kinds of gets to it at the end, but does not complete the thought.
Also, Scarborough tries to equate what the right-wing nutters are doing with what the left has done in the past. It is not even close. Blumenthal should have made that point. There have never been the kinds of mis-information and real vile kinds of protest thrown at Bush. There is really nothing to complain about with Obama versus Bush. The proportionality is so thrown out of proportion in the Bush versus Obama protest argument.
In order to explain the nuttery the rights new talking point is to equate it to the protests against Bush. I actually never saw any protest against Bush and frankly Obama would have to go pretty far to deserve the same kind of critism Bush does. Bush lied the country into a war, trampled on the constitution, started the biggest recession since the great depression, double the national debt and left Obama with a $1.3 trillion deficit, etc. etc. What exactly has Obama done other than to try and fix the Bush mess to deserve such vile protests and hate?
Both acted like smug little pricks,
because they are.
Make sure you use the link to see that they are wrong smug little pricks.
calling bush a nazi for starting what was an immoral and illegal war in iraq is not the same as calling obama a nazi for trying to change the health insurance system, or passing stimulus bills
you are an unhinged GOP or racists - then it is even worse than Bunnypants.
is the fear by the media and politicians to say it is all driven by racism.
since you mentioned it... TORTURE, kidnapping citizens from the streets of the world, end habeas corpus, illegal wiretaps, Dick Cheney... and a few more
"I am the Decider," sounds a bit Imperial!!
Grandpa (Prescott) was making the family nestegg from Hitler himself off of the backs of concentration camp victims.
But then again - facts never matter anymore
That really isn't a great fact to point out. So did Joe Kennedy. And I say this as a liberal.
but while prescott's spawn worked to emulate that sick fuck, joe's spawn have spent decades trying to get away from his ideology
Very good point. Some people learn, some people profit. Kennedy's learned and the Bush's learned to profit.
I wasn't aware Joe Kennedy had assets frozen for trading with the enemy?
I thought the Kennedy's money was made on liquor?
See:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/u...
What does it matter how the money was made? Dealing with a murderous regime that we saw growing as an international threat regardless of how the profit was made doesn't make it right. I liked Uncle Joe's point above a lot better. I think the point is if you're going to attack Prescott Bush over his Nazi dealings then you must also attack Joe Kennedy's dealings. Both attacks are right. They were both out for the profit and both wrong, very wrong. The difference is, Bush's maintained the profit and the Kennedy's went to work for the people. Don't misunderstand my point. Let's not be like FOX and pretend to be "fair and balanced". Let's state the facts.
Nothing sums Up right wing nuttery better than the Values Voter Summit that recently took place. You have to read this analysis.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2949
"Values Voters" and I wonder . ..
Since when is "hate" a "value"
since it helped get conservatives elected. They are a great value to some people.
...Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats
The brothers also served at the Family's four-story, redbrick Washington town house, a former convent at 133 C Street S.E. complete with stained-glass windows. Eight congressmen—including Senator Ensign and seven representatives —lived there, brothers in Christ just like us, only more powerful. We scrubbed their toilets, hoovered their carpets, polished their silver. The day I worked at C Street I ran into Doug Coe, who was tutoring Todd Tiahrt, a Republican congressman from Kansas.
A friendly, plainspoken man with a bright, lazy smile, Coe has worked for the Family since 1959, soon after he graduated from college, and has led it since 1969. Tiahrt was a short shot glass of a man, two parts flawless hair and one part teeth. He wanted to know the best way “for the Christian to win the race with the Muslim.” The Muslim, he said, has too many babies, while Americans kill too many of theirs.
→ → → [ http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525 ]
i haven't seen it yet
Mika Brzezinski needs to come on the show again.
Scarborough is an ass! I'm sick of the whole both sides bullshit! Max should have pointed out that the majority of the people protesting Bush were NOT ALL BLACK! I saw the few tokens in the crowd but, overall, the teabaggers are mostly white. While no one, not even Carter said it was all whites, the hatred on many of their faces gave them away. If anyone knows a saltine when they see one, it's Jimmy Carter. Why would they be so upset about health care?
That there can be no other conclusion drawn from the actions of the gop, from the leadership to the poor willfully ignorant voter.
republicanism is a mental illness! No doubt about it.
Move over Alaska. South Carolina is a national disgrace.
I keep on hearing from the right wingers about protesters at "all the anti war rallies." I don't even remember there being that many rallies. Nothing like we see with the town hall / tea bag / 9-12 crowd.
Joe Scarborough is, was and always will be a lying, stupid, wingnut conservative.
Lets start by exposing the stupidity of the the Conservative Mantra,
'Lower Taxes'. Well only an selfish, dimwit, idiot Conservative would fail to appreciate that by only paying 25-33% of your income you get a whooping bargain of a professional fire dept, police, health, retirement, roads/inter structure, schools, MILITARY, etc. etc. etc..
Now the dimwit Republicans want to privatize all those essential services and do they understand how much each of those services would cost then? Try 200% of your income !!! How do we know? Well if basic cable TV and phone cost around $75 a month, a private Police Company will surly cost $500 a month. And the cost of a private Fire company? A Private Military???$$$$$$$$$$. Instead of paying taxes how would you like to get a bill for $5,000 to fill the pot holes in front of your house every year?
Conservatives are sooo freakin stupid.
But seriously, is that the most boring show on TV? Even his female sidekick seems to be yawning.
Nobodies per per perfect, right?
You were outgunned by Scar & I am dissapointed
but you and Moore will win the war.
Dixiecrats abandoned the Democrats when President Johnson signed the Civil Rights act back in the 60s', Regan opened the door with the IDIOTS robertson, dobson and perkins. Scarborough asks why shouldn't the Clowns of the religious right be given a platform DUH! your own guest gave the answer just prior if you DO NOT think like US you are AGAINST us, these Nuts are about a theocracy NOT a Democracy. Talk about trying to walk the party line.
GO MAX – please can’t someone send frat-brat Joe over to FOX where he belongs. The question was about aberrant and non-productive behavior not about whether Joe would vote for a bill. Joe always uses the technique of changing the subject when he can’t handle the facts or the question presented. If someone is out-of-line no matter what party Joe should be able to handle it. --- The show would be the best if Joe Soapbox was gone and Mika didn't have to play mommy to his adolescence rants.
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