Michael Steele slags Harry Reid for 'slavery' remarks, but won't explain why the analogy is wrong
Harry Reid appears not to be backing down in the face of fake Republican outrage over his comparison of conservatives' behavior 150 years ago to that of today. Good on him.
This, of course, has RNC chairman Michael Steele, who denounced the remarks initially, in quite a tizzy now. He went on Morning Joe this morning and slagged Reid viciously:
Steele: I still say Harry Reid is out of touch, he's clueless. And he can't help himself. I don't think he should be in the leadership, responsible role right now. I don't think if you're going into something as important as the debate on health care, that you have to reach back into one of the darkest parts of our nation's history and to belittle that time and that experience for generations of African Americans, uh, to put it in comparison to a political dispute on health care. To me, it's just plain ignorant.
But then Donny Deutsch chimed in and pointed out that, historically speaking, there's nothing at all inapt about the analogy:
Deutsch: Yeah, I'm still trying to understand why the analogies he's made are wrong. Obviously the issue here is that any great change throughout history, has the naysayers saying, 'It's not time, it's not time.' So why was that an irrelevant analogy?
Steele: I won't even dignify that with a response. This is -- next question. Next question.
Deutsch: What do you mean dignify? It's a genuine question. It's a genuine question.
Steele: I'm sorry, sir, I'm not going to sit here and say that it's an appropriate comparison to slavery.
Deutsch: He's not -- he's comparing it to dramatic change, and the naysayers to change.
Steele: OK, whatever. Whatever. Next question.
Deutsch: That's a great response. That's a very, very intelligent and brave response.
Steele: It is, as was your question.
As if this weren't enough buffoonery, Steele then had an exchange with Mike Barnicle in which Steele became upset when Barnicle asked him: "What are you people for?"
Steele: You people? Who are you people?
Barnicle: The Republicans, what are you for?
Steele: Mike, I just wanted to you define the pronoun, baby, that’s all.
Barnicle: Oh, come on.
As if Barnicle could have been asking anything else. Because Michael Steele is all about racial sensitivity, you see.
Isn't this the very kind of self-martyrdom that right-wingers always accuse liberal minorities of indulging?
Michael Steele has the nerve to say Harry Reid shouldn't be in a leadership positions? Give me a break!
There are always people that are resistant to moving into the future. Everything from medicine to trains. People used to say god didn't want us doing 50 miles an hour and were resistant to trains. These people would fight against fire and the wheel if the Democratic Neandrathal party suggested it. What part of 1890 or 1780 do these people like so much? Child labor? Slaves? Debtors prison? The excellent health care we could get in 1843? Get with the program Repukes, the future is coming with or without you.
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If God wanted man to fly...
If God wanted man to swim...
If God wanted man to walk on the moon...
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
... but in the sort of correctness a stopped watch has about twice a day.
They edited his response they forgot "How dare you compare it to slavery, you marxist nazi appeasing Demoncrat" Socalist!
orifices. REID IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS and add civil rights- womens rights and fair wages...The repub ninnies have not done one thing for the people over the corporations in 3 decades!
As for Barnicle he should've said 'Who're you calling baby?!?!'
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LIE-CHEAT-STEELE
The "NEW" G(no)P
Has Mr. Steele explained how he's getting minority G(no)P elected to Federal Offices?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
YES.
Liberals have to explain about holocaust remarks even though the term holocaust is in the proper context and very apropos, while conservatives can talk about Gulags in completely unrelated and off the mark context till the cows come home.
Heck, everyone was happy to use the term "tzar" to refer to hard to pronounce offices in an admin... until Obama started nominating secretaries, then the media started to get their panties all twisted regarding the merits of a naming approach started by... Mr. "commie Russian loving himself" Nixon, which has been used mainly as a conduit term by the media themselves and which has never been officially used by any admin.
Nothing surprising about yet another manifestation of this double standard.
Anyone have flashbacks to Tropic Thunder? I know I did....
Alpa Chino, or Kirk Lazarus?
However, he could Alpa (considering the big reveal at the end of the movie).
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Excellent movie. Just watched it again two days ago, in fact.
Steele is definitely Lazarus. "I just want you to define the pronoun, baby."
Maybe next he'll "collar up some a them greens, rustle up some crawfish out the paddy yo, HUH!"
Steele was also doing his best Prejean impersonation. "Larry, you're being inappropriate." (for having the nerve to ask a legitimate question)
Same here. Pathetic performance by Steele.
There is no end to their madness
food fight!
What a fucking child.
A complete clown.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
a civil war reenactor in black face playing the house negro.
He is a tad off in his historical accuracy, he is supposed to clean the place not defend his masters...
LOL
I was debating a conservatard online and was not surprised to learn that he reenacts the civil war on the weekends and is a general on the side of the confederacy.
his seat until he intelligently answers Deutsch's question.
He kind of left us hanging.
...Republican, he will not answer a question because there are no answers! The only ones they have are "No, it's not!" and "Cut taxes!"
There is no "why", and they know it.
Donny had been sitting next to him in the studio. I think he woulda taken a punch at him, by the look on his face.
I thought that Steele's next tactic was to stamp his feet and hold his breath. What a thumbsucking WATB.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
the saying goes.
laughing it up and back slapping at the Congress's local watering hole after work. Their both that shallow.
hahahahahahhaha, he used the "what do you mean, you people" I love it.
What a ridiculous cliched way to take offense..."baby".
Michael Superfly Steele.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
... to save us from Al Qaeda seem to be more sensitive than Sister Mary Holywater in Rio during Carnaval.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
even the insensitive know that something is up but, for the moment, it’s not going to interfere with the NFL, tits and ass and conspicuous consumption.
As I've long said, if 'conservatives' had been in charge all along, we'd still be living in caves with slaves (or as slaves).
"What Up" with that?!
'Cause he is hip like that, yo.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Won't dignify the question with a response! Why didn't he just say outright "stop coming back to the topic, I'm trying to divert your attention!"
That's just how Michael Steele rolls, baby!
C'mon, people! You think the GOP will hire a, um, er, that is, um, "fascist" to head their party? He's still just barely convinced them that he uses the same tanning booth John Boehner does.
Steele seemed a bit over the edge in the sensitivity department. Maybe he has been told by his people that he sucks at his job.
Donny was the only sensible person in that interview. He was getting real and Steele was getting jiggy. I have never seen an African American who felt they had to play the part of an African American.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
do you mean "his people?!"
That's why I chose that phrase. Steele would ask the same question. But for the record I meant republicans.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
that during the Reagan years people started being rapidly packaged and divided into sub groups such as African Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, etc, etc, etc rather then just Americans?
Of course the coup de grace was the one size fit's all moniker "CONSUMERS".
were promiscuous British girls.
I grok on snogging slags.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"slappers"
shagged out old slappers.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imxb8IShtoc
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
literal and figurative slappers in all their pugnacious pepper pot glory.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Harry made a terrible analogy.
I mean isn't it clear by now that health care should be discussed within the context of Stalin or the Nazis?
Sheesh.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I watched the interview this morning . .
After the interview Mika the Mouse gave Donny Deutsch a look, like . .
Yeah, Donny, thanks alot [you troublemaker] . .
Jeez, real journalism, don't YOU dare ask a question out of the fake, phoney loop!!
money and the ability to hire the lawyers and PR flacks to turn any crime and bullsh*t into seeming acts of savvy and virtue if she gets into trouble for something she says.
Don't even get me started on Mika. Today she seemed to feel she knew more about marketing than Donny did. I mean Donny makes his living marketing and he's very successful. What the fu*k does Mika know about that subject? Her superior attitude with some of the men on that show makes me ill. And her cooing to Buchanan also turns my stomach. She gets pissy with men who don't spend all their time fawning over her.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Actually I don't think Reid is far off the mark.
When people are discussing a moral issue it's hardly relevant or helpful to bring up fiduciary problems.
Southern states offered to give up their slaves, but only if the Federal Government paid them for the lost property as per the V Amendment, "...(N)or shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
The Federal government was of course not interested in that solution, because they knew it could bankrupt them, and it led to war.
And to be technical, since some troll is likely to point it out, it was the Democratic South that owned the slaves (although the National Party was against it, but afraid of splitting the party), and Radical Republicans who wanted to end slavery.
But here's a thought, was the Radical Republican's interest truly moral, or just to aid the just then rising Robber Barons and their corporations, who would culminate in the 1880's under Grant?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Following up, something similar happened to England during their Industrial Revolution days, when before wealth was measured by property and later by capital. Their manorial system went into a tailspin, with plenty of homeless former tenant farmers some of whom made up the first ranks in the factories, but subsisting on starvation wages and unsafe conditions like American factories until FDR.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The issue is "conservatives" have been on the wrong side, as opposed to "republicans." Which is true.
But then again, in general the Repubs do love to throw that whole party of Lincoln thing around, while not acknowledging that if we found a way to wrap his coffin in wire and magnetize his corpse, we would have limitless energy.
Michael Steele: "Harry Reid is out of touch, he's clueless"
Projection much?
This from the man who is Chairman of the rich old white guys Party.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
asked Deutsch what planet he spends most of his time on, called the comment vile and contemptible nonsense, and compared his intelligence to a table.
Maybe that would qualify as a brave and intelligent response.
That would have taken a modicum of intelligence and an ability to express himself verbally.
And when Barney Frank did it, the person he was insulting was a clueless dumb shit, not unlike yourself.
a modicum of intelligence to insult someone? Dang I thought it took a modicum of intelligence to debate someone. Anyone can call someone a crap head, or say that a question is vile. It takes intelligence to explain why the question is faulty which Frank never did.
By your definition of intelligence, me calling you an unintelligent piece of deciduous hard wood makes me a genius.
was entirely appropriate to the question "Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy, as Obama has..." You can't reason or debate with that. Her question wasn't "faulty", she was just another teabag plant spouting rhetoric. And he didn't resort to the inane "I won't dignify that [question] with an answer". He left her, appropriately, speechless.
entire thing she compares the two just like Reid did. And she was a Tea partier? Considering she mentioned Larouche probably not. And yes he did resort to the "I won't dignify that with a answer" response he just did it in a wordier and more insulting manor.
and it was really funny! She's carrying pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache and asks why he supports a Nazi policy and you think he insulted her?
No. Just no. Just watch both of them.
The crazy at the town hall uses inflammatory rhetoric simply to get attention, with no basis in reality.
Reid used inflammatory rhetoric that is very true, every time there has been an opportunity for a major change, the conservatives have fought tooth and nail against it.
I understand what I am debating now.
I think others have shown that you are dishonest in your comparison of the crazy woman who held up signs of Hitler Obama and the valid question that was asked of Mr. Steele.
There is no reasoning with people who have no reason.
Would it be appropriate to ask why Steele has sold his soul to the "Southern Strategy" party?
Those people (Republicans) have nothing to offer except more of the same shit that wrecked the country in the first place. That's why Steele is flailing so desperately for his "lipstick on a pig" moment over race when it's the party he sold his soul to that is the party of today's white supremacists. Michael Steele is a clown, an Uncle Tom, and a trailor to not only his own race but to humanity in general. What a pathetic ass hat. He's right where he belongs in the GOP's "leadership".
Whenever Michael Steele is on TV, calliope music should be playing in the backround. A small car should pull up and Michael and 20 other clowns get out and Michael starts talking his jibberish, with canned laughter in the backround. That's the only scenario that fits this buffoon.
I am no big fan of Mr. Reid, but I do agree 100% with him, this BOY FAILS to explain himself other than utter right wing talking points.
I sure hope MORE of the same comes from Mr. Reid.
Why doesn't he answer why the DIXIECRATS Abondoned the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in the 1960s' and joined the PArty of Hate, Intolerance and Indiffernca and now the OBSTRUCTIONIST PARTY and the Party of NO.
Why on't this OREO answer the question?
I did a double-take when I saw Mr. Steele staring back at me from the front page of the Oregonian back in March of this year. I think the copy editors had some fun with cropping the picture of him in the lower right corner:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/nwheadlines/2009/0...
just insult the questioner. That is repig strategy 101.
Steele mistakenly believes that he can fake effrontery about slavery and everyone will be on his side. The thing he misses is that 90% of country don't believe he is black, including people from his own party.
Jokes aside, Steele is the worst repig leader I can ever remember, and he shows exactly why in this interview.
You know by Glenn beck's logic, he should be a communist too not unlike Chairman Mao.
douchebag
Reid would be the one to protect Steele from being strung up by the people in Steele's party. If Steele were a Jew in the 1940's he'd be right there slamming the oven doors with the Nazis.
...long enough to complain about Reid's racist remarks. Lol.
Just another token statement from the GOP's head stooge.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
WANNABE OREO DUNKED.......AGAIN!
So what else is new?
Anybody notice he never turns to either side?
It may be because THERE'S A WIND-UP KEY IN HIS BACK......
Just sayin'.....
;-)
As a great American philosopher was wont to say, "What a maroon!"
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/14/...
Get a clue, Michael.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Steele is an utter douche.
that's the only question all of us have on our minds right now. Please answer Donny's question.
Some conservatives even feel the right to boost the moral superiority by claiming that Lincoln was a republican, ignoring that the polarity conservative x liberal was inverted. And how about their God Limbaugh repeating on a daily basis that democrats want to keep African Americans as slaves? Limbaugh is not an elected official but HE is the head of the GOP, not Steele.
Some historical literacy is badly needed by these folks on the Right. A short breakdown of conservative resistance to change: http://girlordog.org/?p=444
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Priceless!
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Not surprising to anyone who has debated with a far right conservative.
Hey baby, it is what it is...
Yes, he certainly is.
Donny, the big idea man finally did his freaking job.
I LIKE THE SARCASM, DONNY, it was used on the right
person. He will have something to say to your producer
but that comes with the territory.
Are republicans *proud* of this fool?
pissed off about being black?
Somehow I have this notion that in his position he is supposed to be above the common refrains, and maybe offer a higher intellectual insight than he has shown so far.
Perhaps the base couldn't grasp anything beyond the most perfunctory of responses to anything troublesome to them as a whole.
Michael has no shame
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
As about the only prominent minority in this mostly racist, southern party, this was Steele's best chance to articulate why the GOP's manufactured outrage over Reid's statement may be genuine and he clearly didn't have a leg to stand on. Epic Fail!!!
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