Wingnuts' latest fake outrage: Reid points out conservatives' long history of foot-dragging
The right's latest fake controversy is what happens whenever any Democrat happens to bring up historical truths about conservatism -- like the fact that it has been on the wrong side of right and wrong for much of the nation's history. They scream and shout about how mean liberals are and then cover over these truths with a pile of afactual excrement.
Here's what upset them so. Harry Reid accurately laid out the sorry history of conservatives in America whenever important and momentous advances in civil rights and the betterment of life for all Americans happen to arise: They stick up for the forces of oppression, hatred, and economic deprivation.
"Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all Republicans have come up with is this slow down, stop everything, let's start over."
"You think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right. When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said, slow down, it's too early. Let's wait. Things aren't bad enough. When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted slow down, there will be a better day to do that. The day isn't quite right.
When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today."
The only thing right-wingers heard was that "Reid compared opponents of health-care reform to opponents of slavery."
Well, not exactly: He was pointing out that there was continuum to all of these, a common thread. That is, the opponents of health care, just like opponents of civil rights for minorities, and opponents of the vote for women, and opponents of ending slavery all had one big thing in common: They were all conservative.
Rather laughably, Sean Hannity and Karl Rove try to cover this over -- as does Michelle Malkin -- by pointing out the wonderful things Republicans have done over the decades, such as Lincoln freeing the slaves. Of course, what they don't mention is that these things were achieved by people who would today be considered liberal Republicans. Malkin also wants you to remember those Democrats who fought against civil rights: Of course, she conveniently omits the history of the Southern Strategy and the way old-line bigots like Strom Thurmond joined the GOP en masse in the 1960s and '70s, thereby transforming the Party of Lincoln into the Party of Neo-Confederates.
(Oh, and a reminder to Karl Rove, who claims that "Joe Wilson got in trouble for speaking the truth": He should ask Wilson sometime his views on Lincoln.)
And what they especially avoid confronting is that Reid is right in that opponents of ending slavery were CONSERVATIVE, and opponents of health-care reform are CONSERVATIVE. The contexts change with the shifting challenges of our respective eons, but we can always count on one thing:
When conservatives stand up to fight against common-sense advances that improve the lives of Americans, we can feel a sense of surety that history will prove them wrong. It always has in the past.
By the way, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison was whining on Fox's Your World (with Eric Bolling filling in for Neil Cavuto) that Reid's remarks were "over the top" and asking him to apologize:
Our hearts just bleed for those poor victimized Republicans who want us all to erase history from our memories and just remember them as the victims of mean-talking Democrats. Especially the saintly Karl Rove.
They certainly have plenty of crackers to go with that whine and are already sufficiently cheesy. Funny how the truth always outrages them. Personally, I think we should see a lot more of this from Democrats.
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"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Good one.
It wasn't only Fox going ballastic over Reid's comment. Wolf Blitzer on CNN was saying Reid crossed a line. It's funny how selective the "liberal" media is over what is outrageous and what isn't. Republicans in Congress have been saying Obama wants to kill your grandma, that senior need to be afraid etc. Yet when Alan Grayson said the republican plan is for you to die quickly, that's what got their attention. The villagers never pay attention to anything the republicans say, it's only the dems they call out.
Or skipped over completely.
the Repugs and "moderate" Dems apologize for being obstructionist assholes, bought & paid for (quite cheaply, too) by the corporations.
...regarding Palin Sunday was bullshit. Any chance these bastards get they purposely misconstrue the Democrats to deflect from truth.
Conservatism, both economic and religious, appears a mean spirited formula for death and destruction for those people whom conservatives oppose and want to control.
Dave, I think you meant that opponents of ABOLITION were conservative.
... or slavery proponents were conservative. Just sayin'. :)
men.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
There were men who supported women's sufferage - and women who were dead-set against it.
There were a number of rather seedy characters who supported women's suffrage in the 1870s onward. In particular, unreconstructed Confederates who were hoping to give only white women the vote, to offset the newly enfranchised black man. How they figured they could write that into law is anyone's guess.
In general, suffragists did not accept the help of these guys, but there were some who naively welcomed any support.
For more info on this, look up George Francis Train. That'll put you on the right track. Maybe not, wikipedia seems to leave out the racist part. But they get the crazy right.
There were also some very progressive women from the previous era who did not support suffrage for women. They figured they'd just vote the same way they're husbands did, and results would be the same. Annie Wittemmeyer is a particularly good example of this type of woman. It's my personal belief that these ladies did generally agree with their husbands on political issues because they married progressive men and therefore overlooked more "traditional" couples. But that's just my speculation.
signed -- a man who took women's studies classes
Just like their husbands and fathers told them to be.
Oops! Right you are. Fixed.
So, reality and truth are beyond the pale, but making crap up is cool?
Oh, wait, they think we made up global warming and purposely made Reaganomics fail...
Conservatives NEVER fail. EVER!
Their plans and schemes are ineptly carried out, that's all.
Not even that! If conservatism fails, it's only because you're not doing it hard enough!
... as much as that reality has a different definition of "success" than they do.
Or in other words, conservative ideas are perfect and never fail, it can only be failed.
That's a bit too long for the wingnut attention span.
How about, "Reagan smash puny liberals!"?
... when was the last time you saw a conservative take responsibility for their own hubris?
If it's on Fox, it's not news!
This is or was one of my representatives from Texas who made herself totally and COMPLETELY unavailable, early on much like that Social Corporatist Corynn out of Houston she never answered her phone.
Much like that other Clown early on when I did get through her chant was I VOTE PARTY LINE, I VOTE AS I AM TOLD.
Now having lived and experienced this Knot Heads Ignorance she is trying to proclaim otherwise. She is WORTHLESS and a FOOL. I will work against her for the Governorship as well.
Funny how these NONE producers and Party of NO Morons are confronted with the truth it is ALWAYS some LIE never the FACTS.
The Party of NO is being called out for their EIGHT YEARS of FAILURE so nothing this BIMBO or the American Traitor rove can say can convince me otherwise.
I am no fan of Back Up Reid, But THREE CHEERS for Mr. Reid, oh yeah lets look at History, remember the DIXIE CRATS that abandoned the Democratic Party on the PASSING of Civil Right Bill.
This Bimbo is so delusional it is pathetic, since JANUARY it has been reach across the aisle, you know what Party of NO, suck it up you Anti American, Socialist Corporate Clowns, you know when this Bill passes it is going to BURY the Party of NO.
Reid had better not apologize . . .
"The men the American public admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth."
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38792.html
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Truth hurts repugs! It's amazing that this mostly southern, homogenous party once again feigns outrage over something we all know to be fact. It's too bad there aren't any minority senators within their caucus the repugs can point to, to lead the charge. I had to laugh when I see these inbred hicks Chambliss and Cornyn demanding an apology. At least the cretin from South Carolina, Demint knew it was best to STFU.
Point the camera at Grayson for a few minutes, he'll fix it.
they are exactly the same gang of assholes, fear-mongers and corporatists that supported slavery, denial of rights to women and minorities. This isn't even close to a comparison, it's an exact fucking match. Conservatives (repig and dem.) are always opposed to sharing anything, especially rights and freedom. Fight and kill for the status quo, as long as that status quo benefits the top 5%.
Whenever my Repub friends use this tired argument that it was the Democrats who opposed civil rights and the Repub Lincoln who freed the slaves, I point out one thing: Dixiecrats.
Just ask: What ever happened to the Dixiecrats? You know, the conservatives in the Democratic party who fought for the monied interests and status quo? Where did they go?
The answer: To the Repub party, where they now reign supreme.
When Johnson signed civil rights legislation into law, he said (presciently), 'We will lose the South for a generation.' The only thing he had wrong is that it would be for several generations, and possibly more.
Beware of anyone promising a future full of yesterdays.
If this guy had been around during the Civil War he would have been an active New York Democrat inflaming the Irish immigrant community against the black population during the city's draft riots.
That's what Grandma used to say . . 4 simple words sum it up.
#1 repeatedly on the Hannity hit parade . .
"First of all, this president -- you know and I know and everybody knows -- inherited a recession...it was by every definition a recession"
~~~Hannity (11/6/02)
Talk about an insult to the American people...
Hannity and Rove are two great American examples...
Hypocrites do get outraged when their hypocrisy is exposed. And the outrage is real. It isn't about ideology. People who are generally outraged to begin with are more easily provoked.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I'm outraged at your comment! (kiddin)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
you are responsible for all unintentionally racist remarks made in jest. Just don't consider this absolution.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
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(go BABS!)
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
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but is it the ones that are outraged are the same ones that voted against the Franken Rape bill? I would guess it would be
So was Teddy Roosevelt... but they were both on the progressive side and would not live up to the "purity test" that the Republicans have put together recently.
But let's look at Lincoln, shall we? His murderer was J. W. Booth. A supporter of the anti-immigrant No Nothing party's candidate for Congress in the 1854 elections. He was a Conservative Republican.... in favor of slavery.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Here's what Harry Reid said:
"When this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said, slow down, it's too early. Let's wait. Things aren't bad enough. When women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote, some insisted slow down, there will be a better day to do that. The day isn't quite right.
When this body was on the verge of guaranteeing equal civil rights to everyone, regardless of the color of their skin, some senators resorted to the same filibuster threats that we hear today."
The word "Republican" doesn't appear anywhere in that quote, does it? So, like, umm.... what are you (clowns) squawking about?
"Trust no one, Mr. Mulder." - Well-Manicured Man
He did say "republicans" in the sentence before what you quoted.
doesn't imply that he was talking about past republicans, only the present day republicans. Go back and take your high school english again.
He did, in fact, say "Republicans" in the previous sentence. I know very well that he was talking about present-day republicans. What makes you think I didn't?
Btw, I agree with what Mr. Reid is saying. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of history, repeatedly.
I also have a B.A. in English.
you did imply that he was talking both past and present republicans.
both Hannity and Rove wear the clown shoes very well...
Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future.
~Benjamin Disraeli
"If the truth doesn't save us, what does that say about us?"
Lois McMaster Bujold, Diplomatic Immunity, 2002
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
a master at exposing the weaknesses in societal frameworks. And a blast to read..
They're gimpies?
But when it comes to maintaining business or eminent domain issues without restitution, ja wohl.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Certainly follows this pattern!!
I have been attempting to discuss Conservatism as a practice, as a methodology, versus as an Ideology, on several Right-Wing blogs, much to no avail(imagine that!)
It all comes down to the research on authoritarian behavior by Altemeyer,
authoritarian followers were born with an overabundance of fear. Thus they are attracted to the "Ideology" of conservatism, as a source of security.
They lack the introspective to practice it as a methodology, ie:facing the challenges of the future, with the successes of the past.
I have been chastised by them(NeoCons) as dwelling in the past when discussing the malfeascence of past Republican administrations, but then chastised for not following to "traditional American values" when suggesting ways to improve our country.
It is Authoritarianism from now on, not Conservatism. Lets all call it what it IS!!
This is conservatism, deal with it... now that the hubris is too obvious to ignore, trying to pretend it is something else reeks of dishonesty.
Conservatism is defined as an ideology hell bent on preserving the status quo and the traditional power structures. Power to them is an end, not a means... because they already have it, and thus they want to "conserve" it. Why do you feign surprise when they, reactionaries, do just that?
your everyday conservative Republiks. Kristol, Perle, Wolfowitcz, et al.
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Rove call Jumpin' Joe LIEberman a Democrat?? Hilarious.
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Yeah, but watch Harry Reid fall all over himself trying to apologize for speaking the truth. This guy is absolutely spineless, and whenever he slips and lets the tough side show, he whimpers and asks for forgiveness.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
The opponents of slavery reform, civil rights reform, women's suffrage, etc were also evil. You should use the stronger word because I doubt they will see the word "evil" as a compliment like they will if you call them conservative. And by their own fiscal behaviour they're not even that. David, you and Harry Reid have the right idea making this comparison. But if you're going to point out evil at least call it by its rightful name.
If conservatives could they would turn the clock back to slave owner days. I don't think that modern day conservatives give much of a shit who is a slave as long as it is not them.
All this hannity rove insanity is just so much fart gas!
That Rove & Hannity would contract some kind of disease that would force their mouths to shut, like lockjaw. Then strap them to chairs and make them listen to speeches by Clinton, Gore, & Kerry all day & all night.
I volunteer for eye-dropper duty...don't want their eyes drying out....
"Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"
Bedwetting Reslugs just can't or refuse to handle any truth.
Don't sit too far up on that moral high horse if you don't want to get knocked on your ass...with justice, I might add. For the drug war has done more to politically disenfranchise people (especially true of minorities) in this country than any other force combined.
Yet, what do drug law reformers hear constantly from so-called 'progressives'? It's always "...slow down, it's too early. Let's wait. Things aren't bad enough."
We have 5% of the world's population, and 25% of it's incarcerated population. Not bad enough?
We have spent a trillion dollars over 40 years locking up minorities and poor people for something that wasn't against the law prior to 1914 (Sure could use that money right about now, couldn't we?). In doing so, millions of people have been prevented from ever participating in the democratic process thanks to felony convictions removing their ability to vote, in most States for the rest of their lives...at a time when those numbers are desperately needed because you can't trust voting machines produced by corporations run by Republicans. Not bad enough?
The drug laws created the black market run by foreign cartels that are now threatening domestic security within the continental US. Not to mention the effects the drug laws have had on traditional rights and freedoms and how that loss affects civil society. Not bad enough, yet?
How bad does it have to get before the realization is made that the drug laws of this country have served as the source for many of the things that so-called 'progressives' wail and gnash their teeth about...but are afraid to speak up against because they fear being slapped with the 'soft on crime' epithet by Rethugs?
Still sure you want to mount that moral high horse?
Today's Republicans are the Southern Democrats (later Dixiecrats) of the 1850s. When Kennedy and Johnson scared them off with civil rights support, Nixon welcomed them with open arms.
There are very few Republicans left of the likes of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or even Eisenhower. Those that still remain are referred to as RINOs by the new Republicans. Because they aren't necessarily bigoted, undereducated, religious nuts like the new guys. Sure they're still conservative, but they're not foaming at the mouth enough to pass the litmus test anymore.
I come from a family of Republicans, most of whom have defected due to the wacko influx. Except crazy homophobic father-in-law, but he's of the "new breed" anyway.
yeah, opposition to slavery and spending this country into oblivion, that's totally comparable.
You're not really saying that slavery is a good way to save money, are you?
What did you mean?
He has no point. He just refuses to consider what Reid meant in seeing similar rhetoric between those who are anti health care reform and those who were anti-abolition. In short, conservatives are always on the wrong side of history.
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These complaints are not new, this is the same argument that they always use and is the same argument used in Goldberg’s book liberal fascism. Everything conservatard is good, all things liberal is bad, the first time I heard the whine about Democrats being the foot draggers in civil rights was years ago with Ann Coulter. I said it then and I will say it now; yes that’s true…..and all of those Dixiecrats are now Republicans today, because they switched parties in the 70’s.
Comparing these fools to the old southern slave-holders and the Jim-crow racists is absolutely right, because the views of the antebellum south, the Confederacy and the Jim-crow era were all CONSERVATIVE, far right conservatism.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
So when Reagan famously said "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me" in 1962, he was really just complaining that the Decmocrats had stopped being conservative and obstructionist enough for him?
Makes sense!
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