The NRA thrives on paranoia, and the rest of us will pay
The footage coming out of Arizona from the NRA's big convention was striking for the amount of paranoia purveyed vs. the actual cause for such fearfulness:
At its annual convention this weekend, such leaders as Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, former presidential nominee Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former presidential hopeful Mitt Romney are speaking to 60,000-plus gun-rights advocates gathered in Phoenix, Arizona. Even Democratic Sen. Max Baucus of Montana is addressing the convention in a recorded message.
"Whenever they can, wherever they can, the Democrats want to take away the rights of law abiding citizens to own and purchase a gun, a right that is guaranteed under the United States Constitution," Steele said to attendees, according to excerpts released by the Republican National Committee.
"No constitutional protection is more often ignored, distorted or disdained than the individual right to keep and bear arms," Romney will say, according to draft remarks released by his political operation.
Despite solid majorities in the House and Senate and control of the White House, there has not been any push by Democratic leaders to pass major gun control legislation this year.
But gun rights advocates say they are afraid of what President Obama and his Democratic colleagues may do.
From the Reuters report:
Activism is also buoyant, with hundreds of members taking part in a grassroots workshop and breakfast in Phoenix. The NRA also launched a phone campaign firing up activists to object to legislation they say infringes on the right to bear arms.
"Right now is a pivotal time in our history with a president and a total administration that is anti-gun," said Leonard Junker, 56, a truck driver and Republican Party organizer from Tucson attending the workshop.
"I truly believe that they want to disarm us," he added.
That's the fear you hear everywhere -- and there's simply no evidence for it, other than the few shreds upon which they can seize.
But the NRA is an organization built on fear, and they use that fear to pump up those shreds into nuclear threats. Watch the interview with NRA spokeswoman Rachel Parsons above, talking about how a proposal to close the gun-show loophole -- which permits hundreds, if not thousands, of transactions to occur that would be illegal in a gun shop, and lets people who are forbidden to buy guns to do so, since no background check is required.
Parsons is trying to tell us that this somehow affects people's Second Amendment rights -- even though the only actual effect of this legislation she can claim is that the people who put on these gun shows couldn't afford to do so anymore, because they wouldn't be making as large of sums from them as what they're accustomed to. Of course, this has nothing to do with the Second Amendment.
And it's not just fear of Obama, I think, that was being sold. I was particularly struck by the number of white conservative women who are being drawn to the NRA via fearmongering, particularly in this video:
One of them is determined to get as much ammo as she can at this show. Another talks about how women are buying guns -- because they fear Obama will take them away, first, but there seems to be another fear here too: an apocalyptic fear that society will fall apart and we'll all be doing the dog-eat-dog thing like a bad Mel Gibson movie soon.
And I have to say -- having been around suburban enclaves long enough to see how thin the human connections can be in those neighborhoods -- if the world was made up of white suburbanites, this might be a reasonable fear.
The Reuters piece I linked above seems to think the NRA's appeal is only to rural gun owners:
Gun owners have long provided a pool of conservative support for the Republican Party. But continuing to court them may not help it broaden its appeal to a wider electorate.
"The NRA provides a lot of foot soldiers for Republican campaigns and so they are still critical to the conservative movement," said Cal Jillson, a political scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
"But if you think about a rejuvenated Republican Party it will not come from this reduced base, but from a broadened party capable of speaking to new constituencies," he said. "There are not a lot of suburban women who have assault rifles."
I'm not so sure that's the case any more. Because paranoia isn't just a guy thing. And the NRA is selling that by the caseload, too.
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dont be afraid!i got my 1911 colt service pistol protecting you! from them bad nra guys!
NRA membership checklist:
Lost home because of Bush/GOP - can live in the tent, or with Mama'.
Lost job because of Bush/GOP - will live off the land.
Pension up in smoke because of Bush/GOP - we pride ourselves on bein' indypendant.
Lost leg due to cancellation of health insurance because of Bush/GOP - still got anoduhr one.
Children being sent to Iraq because school closed down due to Bush/GOP - at least its a job, and them billionaires don't have ta pay taxes anymore!
Take away AK-47 for rabbit hunting - them damn socialists is gonna hear from me!
If I were a psychopath, I would join the republican party, and get in on the gravy train taking the Teabircher morons to the cleaners.
As much as I'm not into guns, I would like to pick up a 50 calibre before they become illegal.
Could you imagine hunting rabbits with one of those?
...if you're in to collecting rabbit ears.
'Cuz that'd be all that's left of the poor thing.
...be ears left is optimistic.
I went to a gun show this weekend. Yes. That's curtilingus' first gun show. anyway it was kinda funny cause I went in the side door and didn't realize until I got out you have to pay to get in.
Proof that guns, even a bunch of them, don't stop crimes.
they're told the dems/liberals want their guns and bibles while the ones telling them take everything else away union bargaining, stagnate wages,jobs overseas,high cost healthCare insurance,high fuel prices that are coming back.....
Love your enemies. So how do they reconcile this with the gun thing?
if you don't have a sword to sell your cloak and buy one.
saying that Jesus was an arms dealer? Wouldn't CCW be a problem for him when he walked on water? All that excess weight?
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Carrying a Concealed Weapon.
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Matthew 26:52 - "Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
Luke 22:51 - "But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him."
John 18:11 - "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"
In addition, there's this:
Luke 22:35-38 - The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.
Only two swords needed for 12 guys? Hmmm...
if you have to ask how much an ak47 costs ,you cant afford one!
That's OK my friend just picked up an AR-15. I didn't even bother to ask what it costs. he wants me to open a gun store with him. Seriously. Wants to build a firing range as well.
cool
That's pretty good, tyree!
Actually, they're pretty cheap- relative to other assault weapons- because production cost is low and so many have been made since the '40's.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
better check your facts andy the price of aks have sky rocketed and thier getting scarce!
Even though the federal ban expired in, like, '04, there's a ban on them in California and New York (amongst others) to this day.
Around the world, though, they're cheap. You could probably buy one in Africa and get change back on a $50 bill. You can't say the same thing about the M16/AR-15.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
i didnt say they cost as much as an m16 or an ar 15, but you wont pick one up for 50 bucks around here! unless its stolen from some one! this aint africa or iraq or afganistan!
But if there were no bans on AK-47s in the US, those things would be pretty damned cheap. There are millions and millions of them, and they're really cheap to produce. And its not like a new one is any better than one made in the '40's- it takes a helluva lot of abuse to ruin one.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
its the preferd weapon of our enemies! and the ammos cheaper!
But if there were no bans on AK-47s in the US, those things would be pretty damned cheap. There are millions and millions of them, and they're really cheap to produce. And its not like a new one is any better than one made in the '40's- it takes a helluva lot of abuse to ruin one.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
i dont remember the chinese useing ak47s in the korean war! just burp guns! and bolt actions
...making them, but they did start at some point. It's a Russian gun, originally and still, made through licensing agreements across the world. Venezuela is going to start making them soon.
Gotta remember that the Communists had only taken over China in '49, after that country had been at war of some sort or another- continuously- since the early '30's, whether with themselves or the Japanese. They hadn't quite shored up their production when they hopped into Korea.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
well i know the chinese had an assortment of our weapons they took off changs army , and japanese rifels , but i figured the burp guns were russian made , youd think the ruskys would have given the chinese aks too,
Russia was only a few years removed from their own big war, where their country was ripped up from fighting the Nazis- and they were loading up in Czechoslovakia and East Germany. The AK-47s were probably going to the west, the older surplus to the east.
I don't think the USSR was ever 100% down with having to share a border with a China that was armed to the teeth. They certainly got hostile with each other after not-too-long.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
sorry andy i only fought there for two years i didnt have that much information on russias participation on supplying china with certain weapons such as the cheap made ak 47s , but they did provide burp guns and the chinese with mig 15s and yak9s and il2s its not like they were going to run out of millions of aks! allso the t34 tanks ,
--in the true sense of the term. The media loves to throw this term around because the AR-15 looks fucking scary and the shooters assault the civilians. In reality you cannot own a true assault weapon--one that is of fully automatic design that can fire an entire magazine of ammo with one trigger pull. The AR-15s you and I can buy at the local gun shop are semi-automatic action, which means you must pull the trigger each time you want to shoot. It's the same design as that of the venerable 1911 (.45).
Actually you can own a fully-automatic weapon, but it requires registering with the BATFE (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) including giving your finger and palm prints, a $200.00 fee, and a letter saying you're in good character from you local police chief. This takes from 2-6 months, after which you can buy an M-16, a fully-auto AK-47, a Thompson submachine gun, etc. The cost runs from ten to twenty thousand dollars and more per weapon.
Should you decide, "Fuck that, I'll just buy off the black market," when the Feds do catch up with you (and they will) they will escourt you to a federal pen so you can serve out your 10 year sentence without parole.
"But you don't need an AR-15 to hunt wabbits!"
True, but a lot of guys (and gals) simply like to punch paper (target shoot) or hunt various varmints. Plus there is the pride factor in owning an AR-15 in that our soldiers are equipped with AR-15s (single shot setting and fully automatic as well as "burst" setting--three rounds) which gives these non-assault carbines a similar pride of ownership as does the G.I. .45.
Regarding bans, what will probably happen--after Obama and Holder get BushCo indicted, and after Obama fixes the economy and gets us out of the two wars, and after he makes health care affordable, and after he saves the auto industry--is there will be a compromise with the uncompromising NRA (and asshats like Wayne LaPierre) that will concentrate on banning high-capacity magazines (20-30 round) and only allowing 5-round mags.
Meanwhile, LaPierre will continue to fearmonger that "Obama's gonna take away your guns" despite all evidence and logic to the contrary, because his NRA enrollment is getting new members "by the thousands each month" and he's a craven cadaverous fuck who digs swimming around all that power probably (but not verifiably) is getting kick-backs from Smith & Wesson (sales up 137% since Jan. 1) Berreta (sales up 66% since last September) and the ammunition manufacturers. He foments this fear--which becomes extrapolated as a TOTAL BAN ON FIREARMS, and when unstable types like Richard Poplawski in Pittsburgh (who told his friend he was "afraid and depressed" that "Obama's gonna take my guns away") when guys like that go off--due to stoking by LaPierre and his creepy pals--LaPierre comes out and says "Too bad a legally armed citizen wasn't there to save some of our brave officers."
LaPierre, Ted Nugent, and other extremist fearmongers have highjacked gun ownership because it pays so very well. Their devotees spout "well-regulated militia" and "from my cold dead hands" perversions, peppered liberally with Thomas Jefferson quotes, all of which are way past their sell-buy date. In doing all of this, they have stained the responsible gun owners with their tainted brush, those who would NEVER promote using guns against those they disagree with politically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ5cygoJdWM&fe...
on where its made and condition among other things prices vary greatly, 4-600 for a wasr in fair to good condition.
Many of them have been brainwashed to believe a gun-wielding nut is ready any day to break into their homes while they are at home (in reality, burglars hate doing that) and shoot them unless they can get out their favorite piece and blow the criminal away. I couldn't believe I was hearing this first from the husband of a friend, then several months later from a teenager who lives halfway across the country from the first guy. Apparently neither read the stats: during a crime, guns are more often turned on their owners with tragic results; and guns often are used in domestic disputes, again tragically. But you'll never read any of this in the NRA magazine, which would have all of us armed like the residents of the Wild, Wild West.
favorite story to rebut the gun peoples' argument about how arming the general population will stop the random whacko killers. This guy got the drop on armed, trained police officers and managed to kill people in spite of other armed, trained police officers trying to stop him. These thumbdicks all have that John Wayne/Rambo fantasy about drawing down and killing the bad guy. Too bad it so rarely happens.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1578045/Si...
to back up your stats? I keep hearing people stating that or things like that but they never have any studies to prove them. And I can't understand why this young lady in Indianapolis isn't dead, seems she was taking a nap a week or so ago and heard something, she got up out of bed and retriveved her handgun, checked the next room and there was this guy who was allready halfway inside her window, she fired at him he fell on his ass and took off running with his buddy.
supports my view point. I didn't say it NEVER happens. I'm never going to change your mind; I'm not even going to try. I just hope that when the next psychopathic nutjob unloads his arsenal that I'm not the target. If he takes aim at you and yours, I hope you are as successful in real time as you are in your John Wayne fantasy.
I was actually referring to Anais, but yes in the link you posted, from how I understood it was he ambushed one officer a couple hundred yards from the building, then got the one inside, then started shooting others, also I can pretty much guarantee that the meeting was a "gun free zone" where citizens cannot carry. And here is one of my favorites to show people when they talk about gun control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTainp2cY_w
And thank you for your well wishes, and I hope in that situation I am successful also, although I don't have John Wayne fantasies, I do have a realistic view of what I am capable of and if threatened by one person with a weapon who has half a clue how to use it, or by 2 or more people armed or not, I know I have no chance of survival without some sort of a equalizer.
A "gun free zone" in a civil courtroom! Those anti-American commie bastards! And in Rush's home state of Missouri!
I guess Archie Bunker's solution to hijackings is the same as youtrs. Arm all the passengers! Go get 'em Rambo!
just how well that ban works, shame on these criminals for not following the law, if they see a "no guns allowed" sign they should just turn around and find someplace that they can legally bring it, to shoot people.
Also it wasn't a courtroom, it was a city council building, at least get your facts straight if your going to be sarcastic. And how did you like that video? Or didn't you watch it?
so upset about? You get to keep all your armaments. Your side has won. You should be happy. Would you agree that almost every illegally possessed gun was at one time legal? Is there anything in the NRA handbook that discusses this?
why would you think I am? And I will agree that almost every illegally possessed gun was at one time legal. Chances are if it was manufactured it was done so legally, at least the receivers, you can legally purchase a receiver and build a illegal weapon out of it. Or buy a legal shotgun or rifle and cut the barrel and stock off to make a illegal sbr/sbs.
I'm guessing your going to use my admission as a reason to ban guns, because without legal guns the criminals wouldn't have illegal guns, right?
guessed wrong. I've carried guns, fired guns, and yes I do think it's a constitutional right to own firearms, but unlike the NRA, who only has half of the 2nd Amendment on their literature, I think that right is subject to certain reasonable restrictions. I lived in AZ for a while and my buddy went into a department store and bought a .357 and a .22 Beretta. With absolutely no training, instruction, or guidelines, we went into the desert and started shooting at an old appliance dump. Fortunately, no injuries. A basic safety course should be MANDATORY. A paper trail, some sort of bill of sale, similar to a motor vehicle, would help trace the flow of illegal weapons. And if you think this will lead to the confiscation of weapons, you are buying the NRA bullshit. Cars are a lot harder to stash than guns, and there are plenty of those rolling around with questionable paperwork. And if you think the government has the political will, or more accurately, the manpower to confiscate the hundreds of millions of weapons in the country, you need to expand your reading list.
I could agree, depending on who did it, enforced it, wrote the regulations on it, how much it costs, how often you would have to go through it etc. But I'll tell you what I'll give you virtually all the training you need to safely handle a firearm.
1) All firearms are ALLWAYS loaded, if you just opened the action looked and felt inside to verify it was empty, as soon as you close it, its loaded
2)Never let the muzzle cover anything you don't wish to be destroyed
3)Always be sure of your target and what lies beyond.
4)Keep your finger off the trigger until you are sure of your target and are ready to fire.
That's it.
And since most illegally owned guns are stolen, how will a paper trail help? Also for straw buyers, did you know federal regulations require dealers who sell 2 or more guns in a week to a person are required to send special information to the BATF with the type, serial #'s and the buyers name, address and if they have it phone #. And they will investigate if they see something suspicious, a friend came into some money and went on a small buying spree of some firearms he wanted, 3-4 days latter there were 2 gentlemen from the BATF at his door requesting to see the firearms along with asking why he was buying them.
give us that safety checklist at the department store. The legal owners of stolen firearms must report the theft and serial number to the police, just like a stolen car. The anecdotal stories are the price you pay to live in a (semi) civilized society, same as if you are buying and selling a lot of cars without a dealer's permit.
AZ but quite a few states do not require reporting stolen guns, and I can't think of any that require reporting stolen cars. And all someone has to say is "Oh my goodness, I put them in the closet and they're gone I didn't know officer."
gun theft was my idea, not an actual law. If your car gets stolen you wouldn't call the police? Why not?
report it, same as if I had a firearm, stereo or anything else stolen, just saying its not required by law in most places, and if someone is illegally selling guns, all they have to say is"I didn't know it was stolen I haven't checked them recently"
Well, totally aside from the fact that just saying "gee, I didn't know, I hadn't checked them recently" isn't likely to make any investigator just say, "Gosh, OK, you poor guy" and just walk away....
But by your logic, then let's just repeal the laws against theft, against assault, against robbery - because, you know, people get away with it all the time. Why bother?
yes that is about what would happen, in a recent conversation with a LEO something along the same lines came up, someone had purchased a couple of guns, then saw a flier about some stolen guns that were the same make and model as the ones he purchased, he called the cops and they checked the serial numbers and yep they were the stolen ones, he told them he didn't remember what the guy looked like or his name that sold them to him. The police had to take him at his word.
God, people are so gullible.
God's people are so gullible?
Buy all the guns you can before the government takes your guns away.
Now...who would take your guns? The troops of the government, who you support?
Does this make any sense?
In Jesusland, everything makes sense.
some of the the fun/excitement for these people is talking about the people that they believe want to take their guns. i could care less for the most part i like guns as long as they're legal. the gun show loopholes are probably something that needs to be looked at. this is a Culture Club the RIGHT doesn't want to lose so they do the FEAR mongering that these people are addicted to. there has been some attention lately when it was announced that 90% of weapons in mexico related to drug cartel were/are from the u.s. so the nra had their reason they were hoping for. start the FEAR mongering machine sell more guns/ammo$
correction or 2. There is NO gun show loophole, ffl dealers MUST do a federal background check on any of their store stock, PERIOD. Federal law, I've known a dealer to call in the NIC when they sold a gun and met the buyer at a gas station. Had the guy fill out the paperwork on the hood of his car and then called it in. The so called loophole refers to private sellers who in most states do not need to go through a dealer to sell to another private individual with some exceptions.
And that 90% of the weapons of the drug cartels weapons are from the US is straight BS, 90% of the weapons they could trace were found to be from the US. Which is about 16% of the weapons seized, and they never mention how many of those were gov sales to the Mexican military and police that were stolen/sold. How many gunshows/gunstores have you ever seen friggen Handgrenades, mortars, anti-aircraft weapons, let alone full auto m-16 with m203 attachments?
also get one of Rush's phony Viagra prescriptions, instead.
The gun show loopholes are on individual sellers and buyers not dealers, so it does exist, just not as likely to sell as many as a dealer.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Loophole" doesn't exist, because just like dealers, private parties still have to abide by federal and state laws.
Or are you willfully stupid? Dealers have to be licensed to sell firearms, and have to comply with background check laws. Private parties do not, except possibly on a state-by-state basis.
is federal law regarding private party transfers, you cannot sell a firearm to a person from another state without going through a ffl dealer, long guns can be transferred to people from neighboring states by going through a ffl dealer, handguns have to be shipped to a ffl dealer in their home state, and long guns if their home state is not a neighbor. That's not including the regulations for NFA items which must go through a class 3 ffl dealer period no matter where you are. It is also against federal law for a private party to transfer a firearm to anyone they know cannot legally own it.
And like I said the Gun show loophole is no loophole, private party sales are legal in almost all states, whether it is done out of their house, at a gun show, newspaper or internet ad, or the trunk of their car.
If its not legal for a private party to sell one in the state your in, it doesn't matter where you are.
It is because of this paranoia that I can't buy any ammo up here in AK. I am serious. They are out of bulk .40 S&W everywhere in Anchorage. I bought a walther p-99 a year ago, the same store is trying to sell the gun for $100 more today.
It is in the interest of everyone in the Gun industry to stoke these fears and paranoia.
Every time I walk into a store, the guy behind the counter is subtly or overtly lying about how these guns will be gone soon. "Better put money down now"...pathetic
-steve in AK
PS whatever happened with that right wing nut who was making a Dirty BOMB and had parts in his house?
is in short supply in IN also, heck even most online dealers are out of stock on most of the popular ammo.
should of bought it while thier was plenty , i got two thousand rounds of ak ammo and a thousand rounds of 45 caliber while it was still cheap and plentyful 2 yrs ago!
for 2 years, 1000 rnds of 9x19 for my pistol would last me 3-7 trips to the range depending on how long I'm there for and if my son shoots it also. And if I start running too low I can also talk to my buddy about some reloads, although I'm supposed to pick up 1-2k rounds this weekend from a wholesale reloader, and his costs haven't went up that that much. I'm down to about 400 or so rounds at the moment.
well i dont have to practice very much, so i dont use it up just for fun!
Well, at least you can wave an empty gun at the perp that breaks in to your house....
Or you, Steve in AK, don't forget to pack that empty gun with you when you go into the National Park. Pres. Bush said it's OK. Just don't tell that b'ar.
my guns never empty!
on carry in national parks at the moment, it seems they have to do a environmental impact study on it. Not quite sure how a gun in a holster is any different than a gun in a case for the environment. Although the credit card bill that is in congress right now has a attachment that makes it legal again and a bit more.
Just what we needed another vector for rednecks to pollute the environment. Yay!
a gun and ammo in a federal park right now, you have been able to for I don't know how long. How it currently is the firearm must be in a case and unloaded but you could be juggling the bullets while your walking if talented. How is that any different than being in a holster and loaded? Please explain the environmental impact to me.
constantly afraid of being attacked? I've been to 25+ National Parks and have yet to encounter a problem. I've delivered furniture and driven a fuel oil truck in some of the worst areas in NY and NJ, and have NEVER had a problem. I've done field engineering at pump stations in the Bronx and some of the worst shitholes in Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, and Bridgeport CT, and have never been hassled. If you act like a professional victim, you'll be one. Confident body language prevents more problems than guns.
I'm not constantly afraid of being attacked. And I will agree with you that confident body language as well as being aware of your surroundings prevents more problems than guns. And I live in a relatively peaceful area now, but I used to live in NW Indiana and had jobs that took me into Gary and Hammond, including delivering pizzas at night along with going in and out of refineries and steel mills in some not very nice neighborhoods to put it mildly at all hours of the day and night, I had 2 bad instances. But if I have the choice I prefer to be as able to respond to a attack if needed.
Rednecks want their guns so they can do some shootin' in the woods. Good for them, bad for the critters that have to live with the lead poisoning.
Why on f*ck's shake do you need a gun to enjoy a national park?
Oh, and never mind the environmental impact. The last thing I want to do when I enjoy my hiking is to worry if some toothless idiot is thinking about shooting a few round somewhere in my path.
The problem I have with such pervasive and careless gun ownership is that in order for a few idiots to feel safe, they feel entitled to endanger everyone else.
You can have lead bullets in a national park, hell you can walk through there with as much lead dust as you carry in a backpack. How is having the bullets in your pocket any different environmentally, than having them in a holstered firearm?
And no they don't want them so they can do a little target shooting, there are plenty of legal places they can do that now, also if they wanted to break the law and do so, they ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION since I have no idea how long ago in the parks, they had to be unloaded and cased. If they are planning on breaking one law why do you think they won't break another by pulling firearm out of the case?
And how does myself having a loaded, holstered firearm for self protection, endanger you or anyone else not planning on doing me harm?
because Rednecks sure do love to carry even more weight than necessary when hiking... LOL.
And to answer you question: Because when I go out hiking, the last thing I need to worry is about some dumbass who had to bring along his f*cking gun. Thus multiplying the risk for everyone in the vicinity. Which, to me, it is a very f*cking selfish thing to do.
Please explain how it effects the environment, and also how a law abiding citizen with a holstered weapon endangers you, and "multiplies" the risk for everyone, and I'm sorry that your unjustified and irrational fear causes you to seek to infringe upon my rights. That to me "is a very f*cking selfish thing to do."
You don't realize that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of injuries and deaths every year caused by "law abiding" citizens with guns?
And, incidentally, simple math would point out the obvious - the more idiots with guns there are walking around, the more chances there are for someone to do something stupid.
Like the guy here a few years ago that was positive that the noise he heard was a big, bad burgler. Too bad that big, bad burgler was his neighbor's kid walking through the backyard.
people are injured and killed by law abiding citizens with cars, bikes, propane and gas lanterns, campfires, knives, axes etc all of which are allowed in campgrounds.
How about the woman who was taking a nap and the noise she heard WAS a big bad burgler climbing through her window?
kill people-people kill people. But the guns sure do make the killing a whole lot easier.
I sincerly hope to never have to use a firearm to defend myself or others. Justified or not, and having a self defense provision in my state, the civil suits can ruin you. Which is one of the main reasons I belong to the NRA they have liability insurance which will cover your legal fees and judgements.
I mean what can possibly go wrong when a bunch of idiots are armed to the teeth... right?
well if some one breaks into your trailor home you can use one of them heavy books to defend your self!
which part of
tyree is on your ignore list.
you did not understand after your last circle jerk with your Canadian compadre...
guess it was the part where you said you werent going to read my posts any more! he he bwahhhaaaa
but no one is behind the wheel.
tyree is on your ignore list.
so if im on your ignore list why did you read my posts , you broke your promiss to me,, and now your p..seying out on guns ! tsk tsk tsk,! DURDEN is on your shitlist!
where there are no services as there are no taxes, everyone has a gun, and everyone who has a gun is the right color.
as oposed to switch blades!
sounds like that HBO show "deadwood" actually pretty good series. no taxes no laws just lied to and bullied to death from the dudes with the muscle/guns.
Superb series!
Watch it from the beginning--start at episode 1--you won't be disappointed. Ian McShane is brilliant.
Is there anything these bedwetters don't fear?
being told NOT to FEAR. most everyone is addicted to something....some are addicted to fear.
It's a rush. Also judging from the video I saw, this is not a healthy lot physically. Too big and out of shape to run. The down side is that these tired looking enthusiasts make some big targets.
And judging from those championship size pot bellies, lots of E.D. (Not Elizabeth Dole by the way)
that quite a few in that video were not in shape, does that mean they don't have a right to self defense? I'm not the biggest baddest guy on the block, I'm kinda on the small side, and not a body builder, does that mean I can't defend myself or others? I think that should be more of a reason to arm myself, how many people are going to attack a 6'6" 290lb martial artist? Compared to a 5'6" 170lb average joe? But that aside how well is the aforementioned 6'6" guy going to compare to a 5'6" gangbanger with a gun? Or even 5 of the 5'6" gangbangers unarmed?
Get in shape. You'll have a better self-image and won't need to rely on the phallic substitute of a gun. Plus, to supply the bodies for Bush's 2 credit card wars, the military has lowered their standards and raised the maximum age for service. It's not too late to prove your manhood on the battlefield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru365xvV0YQ
...the one who approached Denise spouting the Christianist apocalyptic paranoia, has joined a survivalist group.
I'm thinking her new boyfriend may be partly to blame for her recent plunge into madness though I'm not sure the blame can be entirely placed on him. She was also once married to an Iranian and the relationship turned ugly so she's also got this anti-Muslim specter hanging over her shoulder.
I'd like to see one of these morons on the rabid right provide PROOF that President Obama will take away their guns. Oh, that's right - they HAVEN'T any because he never said he WOULD take their guns away. So, once again, the NRA, and the GOP LIE to their lame-brained followers, who are stupid enough to believe their bunk.
I have no problem whatsoever with the Second Amendment. That said - An assault weapons ban? Absolutely. Common sense would dictate that private citizens should NOT own military-style weapons. However, we are WELL aware that common sense is foreign to the NRA and the GOP.
Nah, the NRA and the GOP are quite content with producing more Poplawski's, more Adkisson's, more Columbine's, more Virginia Tech's ... and then will display fake outrage over such violence.
What do you consider a 'assault weapon'? And what is a military-style weapon? One that looks like one?
Here is a clip by a CA police officer explaining the difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjM9fcEzSJ0
but one that IS one.
You want to hunt? Buy a shotgun; you want to protect your home? Buy a hand gun. There is no reason for a private citizen to own anything but a shotgun or a hand gun.
that a handgun has going for it on self defense is transportability/concealability, I'm sure I'd get some strange looks walking around walmart with a long gun strapped to my back. And why should I be limited in my choice of firearms? Because you don't think I would need them or should even want them? How about long range target shooting/hunting? Heck there is even rifle shooting in the Olympics. Oh and under the old AWB my handgun would be banned well at least the magazines for it. And the vast majority of the weapons banned under it were functionally no different than any other semi-auto hunting rifle or self defense pistol or shotgun.
the weapons you have, have you considered helping out in Iraq or Afghanistan? It would seem to be a perfect fit for you.
has this nasty habit of firing back ;-)
An AK is a piss poor weapon for home defense, it is not a weapon used for hunting, and it is not part of any sporting competition. Alas, I always get a chuckle about the silly rationale people put forth to justify their ownership.
a AK a "piss poor" weapon for home defense? They are easily configurable for a variety of tasks, home defense being one, very dependable/durable, they fire a medium powered round(30/30 equivalent in standard chambering) depending on your home and neighborhood they can be a very good part of home defense. And who told you they are not used for hunting? Some of the same things that make them good for home defense can make then very good for hunting. Easily configurable, you can get uppers for them in a very wide assortment of calibers from .22 LR to .458 socom and everything in between.
... and it also cooks, and with a slight modification it also washes your clothes like new. Plus the included bottle opener is mighty handy... ah, the AK... what they will think of next.
my guess is you wouldnt know wich end of an ak was supposed to fit against your shoulder , so why do you care when others do?
the ak47s a great weapon with few problems except the ocasional round that gets caught in the ejection cycle!
The overwhelming majority of self-defense and/or home-defense shootings are at close range - less than 10 feet. A pistol or a revolver are a much better choice at that range than an AK is ever going to be.
And the idea of an "easily configurable" gun is idiotic for the vast majority of gun owners. It's easily configurable, if you're knowledgeable about guns. Whether you're willing to admit it or not, most people looking to buy a gun for self-defense are looking for something easy to use - they don't have the expertise, or the desire, to configure a weapon.
And spare me the hunting nonsense, either. Do I know people that have taken them hunting? Yes. But I've been around hunting and hunters my entire life. The fact that you CAN hunt with an AK doesn't make it a good choice. In fact, at least two of my hunting friends own AKs, and are the first to tell you, it's not a gun that they would go hunting with.
most self-defense shooting are at relatively close range, but why does that make a long gun a bad choice for home-defense? Most people fire them more accurately, and tolerate recoil better with a long gun. And how much knowledge does it take to turn a couple of screws to mount a aftermarket stock on a rifle? Or a laser aiming device, flashlight etc? Or if they can't figure it out, have the store where you purchased them install them for you. And for home defense I would recommend a shot gun not a handgun.
And what makes a AK such a bad choice for hunting?
firearms do you think I have? I can pretty much guarantee its a lot less than you think. Also I did try to enlist when I was younger, but they did not have as large of a need as they do now, and while I passed the mental/psychological tests well enough, medically not so well.
And again why do you think I would be a perfect fit? Because I am pro-2nd amendment(actually pro-constitution)?
that pro-gun people put their love of weaponry to use in a combat zone. Play to your strength.
that pro 2nd amendment people are violent or want to kill people? Or that they love guns? I will admit I do like them, and I like to target shoot. Hunting I haven't done much of but have been thinking about trying it out.
"like" for guns turn into "love"? When you get a hard-on?
since I don't get hard-ons over inanimate objects, only attractive members of the opposite sex. Please quit projecting your sexual kinks onto me.
The opposite sex is inanimate in skin mags.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Pro 2nd amendment is for an institution that no longer exists, the state militias.
However, one can still be for a non-professional military class.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/...
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," prefatory clause "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "operative clause. Notice it doesn't say the right of the militias or of the state, but the people. Also the unorganized militia still exist on federal and state level.
The Heller decision is a major anomaly among Court decisions - no other decision has even come close to the wording that you're so fond of.
And what so many people choose to ignore is that Heller addresses an extremely narrow issue - a law that placed a total ban on handguns (and handguns only, I believe) and required that handguns kept in the home must be non-functional, even if needed for self-defense.
And Heller states specifically, and I quote: "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."
In other words, Heller holds that the D.C. law overreached in its specifics, but NOT that gun ownership cannot be regulated.
How about letting the gun nuts shoot each other???
just sayin...
Dude, the movies to which you refer- the Mad Max trilogy- are actually pretty damned good, and not just in comparison to other Gibson flicks (I still suispect there's some footage from Braveheart with Gibson hollering, "WOLVERINES!"). I don't normally give you any crap, David, but you're really working hard to get a slam in at Hollywood's favorite uber-Catholic on this one.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Except for... Beyond the Thunderdome... seriously they comitted Maxian blasphemy with that one. Children singing and everything. And why was Tina Turner even in that? Did she lose some bet? The first two are cult classics for a good reason, they freaking rock! I want a car with two engines and matte paintjob. Obama wants to take away our fantasy V-8 interceptors, because he hates freedom. That's the tie-in. lol
Being a part-time Phoenix resident, my proximity to these lunatics is downright neighborly.
About a week prior to the convention I posted a rather strongly worded opinion in the local newspaper (The Arizona Republic)in which I compared the NRA's paranoia of the Obama administration's non-existent intention to take away their guns being about as idiotic as the tea-baggers claim that they're about to get taxed out of existence. Within a few minutes I had about a dozen, or more, whackjobs calling me everything from a Godless liberal communist to...well, things very ugly, indeed.
At which point I requested a single link from any one of them directing me to a single quote from Obama wherein he stated a desire to take away their guns...just one quote that Obama ever made ever...at any point in his life stating what they so emphatically are claiming he stated.
Well, the attacks and the insults (and a few threats) continued, but I never received that link...because no such quote exists.
I tried to explain the difference between reality & fantasy to this group of...ahem...fine American patriots, but to no avail. They knew what they knew because that's what they knew...and by God, neither fact nor the light of Truth would sway them.
It was beyond absurd...to a poster they attacked me visciously, maniacly spouting their wholly imagined accusations with a singlemindedness that was absolutely stepfordesque.
It was a display of mass delusion & insanity that was truly astonishing...and quite disturbing. These people are out of their fucking minds...and heavily armed, to boot.
you live in phoenix for gods sakes , unless its changed since the 60s you could pack a six shooter on your hip there!
I could if I wanted to...I see it quite often.
I was raised in Northern Arizona. They culture a special kind of crazy there. By the way, what are you doing reading that rag-ass, piece of shit AZ Republic? Nothing good can come from that, it will make your brain pulpy. Stop now before it's too late!!!
I want my AK47...I NEED my AK47. I'd also like a chest full of grenades while you are at it..and hell, maybe a M-50 mounted on the front of my Humvee would be appropriate too.
Ninety-nine precent are rational. It's the one percent that I'm fearing.
Keep pumping that fear!! Nation of morons.
...Yet another hot-button non-issue. Look around people. The most vocal persons of almost every group you encounter tend to be the fanatics. They are vocal and deluded by definition. The guns are here already, there can be no effective roundup of weapons because there is no comprehensive database of ownership. Outlawing weapons will just fortify black markets, where they will be sold along with other illegal things, which due to increased throughput of sales, will become more available. Furthermore, to people who think gun owners and rights advocates are all morons, I challeng you to go to a shooting range, get an idea of how difficult and deep the sport of shooting really is before you tear into owners on the whole. As a daily shooter, I find it requires an almost sublime meditative state to do it well. I don't see alot of interviews of sensible gun enthusiasts. Wingnuts make better television. I would love to go to a gun show and check out the gun selections, I just can't tolerate the type of crowds they attract.
BANG! Thanks for reading
Why can't ya be both?
I am a long arm owning Hippy commie pinko.
Why the hysteria?
Never mind the guns, no really screw all that.
All these people need is a base ball bat.
Ever see a elderly woman with a cane? Most dangerous of all.
Isn't there some kinda of Christian prose that goes , Thou shalt not Kill? Except for Food?
Really folks. I am a relatively middle aged man.
Going on fifty one. I was taught to rifle at 7.
Target only. I don't hunt, long has I have a job and the grocery store is open.
Maybe these paranoid rednecks should take a page from one of their favorite bands. Yep Lynard Sknard.
"Hand gun made for killin, ain't good for nothing else."
Now I do not begrudge the right of any one to own any thing.
But and, Big But here, these fuckers have no idea of the consequences
and repercussions of taking a human life.
No, not the legal repercussions.
The remorse that swallows you whole.
Might as well shoot your own damn self.
Only need one bullet for that.
Ass hats.
All of them.
Former skeet and trap champion.
J Scopes.
agree with you on the elderly women with canes, at least as bad if not worse than nuns with rulers. But there's a lot you posted that I disagree with.
I think you are talking about the sixth of the ten commandments, which most scholars believe the proper interpretation is thou shalt not murder. I don't consider killing someone in self defense murder. And do you know where Lynard Skynard came up with the idea of that song? When they were starting out on the touring circuit they bought a cheap handgun for protection, and while drinking one night one of the members was playing with it and had a negligent discharge. And handguns are quite fun for target shooting, and effective tools for hunting. Just because they choose not to use the same firearms as you they can't be target shooters? Sounds like the Ass hat comment should of been directed towards a mirror.
And you are right about another thing, at least for myself, I do not have any idea of how I will respond emotionally from taking another persons life, I have never been forced into a situation where I felt it was necessary and I hope it stays that way. But that said I hope it will not effect me too badly, because if I am ever forced to do so, it will be because I feel a serious threat to the life or well being of myself, my family or other innocent people.
Other than answer by red herring... do you have anything to add to this thread?
Hello Kitty AK 47
Hello Kitty Visa card from bank of america. Their target users are 10 to 14 year olds
Which is more dangerous to your teenage daughter?
is the credit card.
I'd have to say a credit card in the hands of my teenage daughter would definitely be more dangerous to ME!
I've never owned a gun, but I'll be buying one now. It's pink and it has a kitty and it looks so benign. I can put on my high heels and my lip gloss and wait for those crazy fuckers that are coming to hurt me and my family and then I can blow them away and still look damn pretty doing it. After I'm done I can use the credit card to conduct some shopping therapy which I will likely need due to the trauma of blowing away the bad guys.
The geniuses in our Tennessee state legislature are trying to pass a law that allows those with a permit to carry a concealed weapon to bring their guns into places that serve alcohol.
But don't worry...if you are carrying a gun...excuse me, a "concealed" weapon, they won't serve you drinks. I guess the wait staff and the bartenders will have to get used to asking patrons if they are packing heat before fulfilling a drink order.
What is wrong with these idiots?
I saw a "drive thru" liquor store, right next to a firing range/gun shop.
Sometimes, you just have to wonder if Lincoln was wrong fighting the whole civil war thingie...
Or, the bar owner can put in a metal detector and some burly types to shake 'em down.
the wait staff won't have to ask, more likely it would be illegal to drink while carrying. And if a guy(or girl) wants to go into a restaurant that serves alcohol and have dinner while carrying, whats the problem? Yes I agree guns and alcohol don't mix, but just being in a place that serves? The fumes are going to make him go crazy?
Paranoid , gutless cowards probably go to sleep cuddling your guns for security , you guys should wear skirts .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
First of all, Yes, I own and use various firearms to protect my livestock. . .Usually from snakes and dogs. That said I am totally against the NRA because I believe it is doing the bidding of the gun makers by spreading lies and fear mongering Bubba and Bubette into arming themselves against their own empty headed mindsets.
"Stupid is, as stupid does!" F. Gump
I have not heard one line out of DC, from the administration down, referring to any prohibitive gun laws. The talking heads and Repukes know just what idiot lights to press and get their 17% base of the populace to rally at the mud hole.
Besides I believe that real gun control is a tight grouping at 100 meters!
For the record I am a disabled Vietnam veteran and I do believe in the Constitution, above the government, but I am smart enough not to listen to all the BS the NRA spreads about.
May I first say thank you for your service for this nation and its constitution.'
And while I'm not totally against the NRA, they don't speak for me on a number of issues.
But you haven't heard anything about restrictive gun laws? On the Whitehouse.org website until just recently it stated that Obama and Biden both wanted the AWB reinstated permanently.Holder also said it not too long ago on TV and Pelosi said the time is not right for one. Also here are links to a few of the proposed gun laws going on now.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?...
Which would give the Attn General the ability to ban ownership of firearms to anyone "suspected" of being a terrorist without a trial. How many people are on the DHS watch list for flying?
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
Which would require a federal license to own a)any handgun or b)any rifle that accepts a removable magazine. Including any currently owned. Require the registration of the same. And require any transfers be done at a dealer. Along with other things.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h257/text
Which would make it illegal for me to take my son target shooting with a handgun,semi-automatic assault weapon or a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
Do any of those sound prohibitive?
But, once again, regulating use and ownership is NOT a ban on use and ownership.
And the Court has held repeatedly that reasonable regulation is NOT a Constitutional violation.
I love it - good thing to toss people into Gitmo indefinitely without trial because they're suspected of being a terrorist. Good even though we had to go 15,000 miles to find them and then BROUGHT THEM BACK to within spitting distance of the U.S. (Wouldn't it make more sense to leave potential terrorists 15,000 miles away?) Bad to tell people that we suspect of being terrorists that they can't have a gun while walking around HERE.
Hundreds of thousands of people can be licensed to drive a car, but it's bad to ask them to have a license for their gun.
And the 111-h257 bill you quote SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTS the situation you're whining about. It allows the temporary transfer of gun and/or ammunition "in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the person (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the person, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun..."
and that is the part immediately preceding what you quoted, and that is "(E) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a person who is at least 18 years of age and less than 21 years of age" so no it doesn't exempt the situation I'm talking about.
And it doesn't require a license to own a car, or operate it on private property, just to drive it on the streets, and there is only a few states that do not require a license to carry a handgun. Do you support a federal drivers license?
And as for being a suspected terrorist how many people are on the DHS watch list?
quite a bit of practice & discipline & talent to know how to shoot various guns & how to hit your 'targets' & which gun is the best for which result...
That, to me, doesn't even come to close to justifying the 'need' for guns that so many Americans are obsessing about. There are many hobbies, occupations, etc. that people can study & do well at, that don't result in someone or something being maimed or dying.
You 'gun people' are truly scary.
One of the commentators said, "People who want to 'enjoy their second amendment freedoms' in their own home towns". At least refer to it as it is...'enjoying shooting living things for pleasure; feeling puffed up & tough because you own a gun; feeling like one of the 'boys' or 'gals' while attending a gun show & having that warm fuzzy feeling of being connected & being 'smart' about something'.
Never had a gun in all of my 58 years...never have known anyone else who had one either or who wanted to, actually almost always to the contrary.
My city, Toronto, is becoming more violent in the last few years, due to guns...guns that are mainly obtained from illegal importing from the U.S.
Yet I still feel so much safer here..at least here it's mainly the criminals who are feeling all warm & excited about their guns...in the good old (surreal) U.S. of A. I wouldn't feel safe going anywhere due to those 'second amendment' freaks and their 'need' to coddle their guns wherever they go...and damn anyone who tries to stop them!
for me one of my "hobbys" doesn't result in someone or something being maimed or dying, well except for the occasional tree for paper targets, and I usually print my own on recycled paper its cheaper.
You seem to have a dislike of hunting, does that extend to fishing also? Because that is my one hobby that does occasionally result in something being maimed or dying(unfortunately only occasionally because just between you and me I'm not the best fisherman). And for hunting is it only with a gun? How about a bow and arrow?
And I don't enjoy shooting living things for pleasure, I have thought about starting hunting but not for the pleasure of killing, but for the pleasure and dare I said pride of supplying my family with food, same reason I garden.
Also being armed does not make me feel puffed up or tough, it at the most makes me feel that I have a better chance of protecting myself and loved ones and other innocents. And actually if anything while armed I'm more polite and forgiving. And as for the feeling like one of the boys/girls or the warm fuzzy feeling and being smart. Is it wrong to belong to a group of law abiding like minded individuals? If so every knitting circle and book club should be disbanded. And when did it become wrong to take pride in your accomplishments?
And you state in your 58 years you've never known anyone who has had a gun or wanted to? I'm sorry but this I have a very hard time swallowing, unless you have led a very very sheltered life that is virtually impossible in North America. Japan and a few other countries perhaps and that is only for actually owning not wanting to own.
And for the claim that the guns are mainly due to illegal imports from the US do you have any studies that show this? Or just your opinion? And what is wrong with us 2nd Amendment freaks? The vast majority of legal gun owners are very law abiding citizens. We have to be, do you know what all can cause a person to loose the ability to own a weapon in the good ol'USA? Let alone a permit to carry such in public.
And I can show you a study or three that links higher rates of gun ownership by law abiding citizens to lower incidents of violent crime, but I won't bother.
But I have a question for you. What is it about me that scares you? I'm a law abiding citizen, I work, take care of my family, attempt to protect them to the best of my ability, hold the door for people, use respectful speech when talking to people, you'll see me out on the weekends cutting the grass or trimming the hedges, or puttering around in the garden and on occasion I like to punch a few holes in paper in a safe and regulated area? What is scary about that?
Iaido is a Japanese sword based martial art. I can definitely hack off a limb or two with my katana, and maybe even a head with more practice. Before I started training, the dojo made me sign a waiver saying they weren't responsible if I was injured or killed. Safe bet it's possible someone could (or did) get maimed or killed. Should we ban all like forms of martial art as well?
As I said I like to shoot too. But keep in mind these wackos aren't the majority of gun owners. I nor any other owner I know likes to feel all "puffed up and tough" because of them. I own several WWII rifles, because I'm a history buff not because it makes me feel big. How much more of a piece of history can you have, than something that was used in the biggest war in human history? Yeah I'll admit I do get something of a fuzzy feeling with some of these guns, but that comes from the thought of "wow, was this used in Stalingrad?" or "I wonder if some Tommy at El Alamein carried this thing?"
Nor do all owners go out "shooting living things for pleasure". The only thing I've shot at were random pieces of junk strewn about at an out door range. Same with the other people I know, just add a sheet of paper to the list of inanimate objects they've shot at.
You're looking at some of these wackos and applying it to the whole. Yes these people are kind of scary, but as I said they're not the majority.
Up here people want and do carry in parks because of bears. All it ever took was getting permission/letter from the park/monument administrator. It's not like Yellowstone or the Jefferson memorial with a million tourists falling all over eachother. So it makes moresense that control of who is armed is in the hands of the park manager and not a blanket application....
For a post apocalyptic scenario, here's one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbGERGDf26A
Been a long time since I thought of this movie.
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