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Bill O'Reilly is outraged, outraged we tell you, over Sunday's superb New York Times editorial calling out Republicans -- and particularly movement conservatives who have thoroughly embraced the nativist wing of the party -- for the ugly racism they've indulged in recent years, driving what should be a rational debate over immigration into the fetid wastelands of hysterical fearmongering, bigotry, and scapegoating.

So last night on "The O'Reilly Factor" he declared "war" on the Times:

O'Reilly: In the Impact Segment tonight, more lies from the New York Times over illegal immigration. As you may know, the Times and other far-left entities favor amnesty for illegal aliens, primarily as a way to gain political power. As you may also know, most Americans reject blanket amnesty, as was demonstrated when the immigration bill of 2007 crashed and burned in Congress.

So yesterday, this man, editorial page director Andrew Rosenthal, printed a vicious piece of propaganda called "The Nativists Are Restless." In this smear, the Times implies that I and others racists because we oppose amnesty. The editorial says:

It is easy to mock white-supremacist views as pathetic and to assume that nativism in the age of Obama is on the way out. The country has, of course, made considerable progress since the days of Know-Nothings and the Klan. But racism has a nasty habit of never going away, no matter how much we may want it to, and thus the perpetual need for vigilance.

It is all around us. ... Google the words “Bill O’Reilly” and “white, Christian male power structure” for another YouTube taste of the Fox News host assailing the immigration views of “the far left” (including The Times) as racially traitorous.

Of course, you can post anything on YouTube, any lie you want, any distortion, and Google can highlight the smear in the blink of an eye -- there are no rules. For example, I could post that Andrew Rosenthal completely distorted Bill O'Reilly's view on illegal immigration, because Rosenthal is a dishonest far-left zealot who uses hateful tactics, like implying people with whom he disagrees are racist. I could post that, and then you could Google "Rosenthal" and "illegal immigration" and it would be there -- uncensored. Now if Rosenthal doesn't know that, he's stupid. If he does know it, then he's dishonest and intentionally misleading Times readers.

Well, besides O'Reilly's point being the most meaningless of nonsequiturs, it's also worth remembering exactly what does come up when you Google those terms: actual video from this site showing Bill O'Reilly, in full context, saying the following:

Bill O'Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you've got to cap with a number.

John McCain: In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many.

O'Reilly: But in this bill, you guys have got to cap it. Because estimation is 12 million, there may be 20 [million]. You don't know, I don't know. We've got to cap it.

McCain: We do, we do. I agree with you.

Mind you, this was not an aberration for O'Reilly:

O'Reilly, in fact, is one of the major media figures responsible for whitewashing the reality that Patrick Buchanan's recent work has finally tipped the scales into outright white supremacist extremism. O'Reilly, in fact, had previously hosted Buchanan in 2005, an interview in which they discussed Buchanan's "Decline of the West" thesis.

Indeed, as Media Matters has observed, the decline of white male dominance is a frequent concern of O'Reilly's:

-- On the May 16, 2006, edition of The O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly claimed that The New York Times and "many far-left thinkers believe the white power structure that controls America is bad, so a drastic change is needed." O'Reilly continued: "According to the lefty zealots, the white Christians who hold power must be swept out by a new multicultural tide, a rainbow coalition, if you will." O'Reilly's comments came during a discussion of opposition by the Times and others to deploying the National Guard to help secure the border.

-- On the May 1, 2006, edition of Westwood One's The Radio Factor, O'Reilly alleged that the "organizers" of nationwide pro-immigrant protests had a "hardcore militant agenda of 'You stole our land, you bad gringos,' " and that the protest organizers were seeking to "take it back by massive, massive migration into the Southwest.' "

-- On the April 12, 2006, broadcast of his radio show, O'Reilly claimed that on the April 11 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, guest Charles Barron, a New York City councilman, had revealed the "hidden agenda" behind the current immigration debate. O'Reilly told his listeners: "[T]he bottom line is Charles Barron said last night is there is a movement in this country to wipe out 'white privilege' and to have the browning of America." O'Reilly suggested that this "hidden agenda" included plans to let "people who live in the Caribbean, people who live in Africa and Asia ... walk in and become citizens immediately."

From the May 17 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Reluctantly, and I mean reluctantly, "Talking Points" is going to support this legislation. It's the best we can get and does improve the situation. But make no mistake, it's not fair. It drastically alters the United States of America. And there will be unintended consequences all over the place.

The new census report says America's now one-third minority. And in four states -- California, New Mexico, Texas, and Hawaii -- whites are the minority. So with the infusion of as many as 20 to 30 million new citizens in the next 10 years, the landscape of America will absolutely change.

Moreover, much as O'Reilly may mewl -- as he does through the rest of this interview, as well as in the subsequent segment in which he whined with other "victims" of the editorial about how mean the New York Times is and how awful it is that you can't talk about immigration without being accused of being a racist -- and claim that he's been a friend of illegal immigrants, the record is very much to the contrary:

For his part, Bill O'Reilly will often take a story of a specific crime and treat it as though it were a matter of national urgency. For example, he devoted segments on 13 separate programs to discussion of a case in Virginia Beach in which a drunken driver, who happened to be an undocumented immigrant, killed two young women in a traffic accident. As tragic as these deaths were, drunken drivers kill dozens of people every day; according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 16,885 fatalities in alcohol-related auto crashes in 2005.16

O'Reilly was hardly on a crusade against drunken driving; his interest was in the fact that in this case, the driver was an undocumented immigrant.17 O'Reilly brushes aside arguments that such cases are unrepresentative -- and even makes attempts to link immigration to terrorism. "If the local authorities, and they should be part of homeland security, were to be more vigilant on criminal illegal aliens, notice the word criminal, and track them harder, the Fort Dix thing [a thwarted plot to kill U.S. soldiers] would have been caught sooner," he said in June. "The deaths of the Virginia Beach thing which we talked about. And all of these guys at 9-11 were stopped by local police."18 When O'Reilly is unavailable, his compatriots will pick up the slack. "The never-ending criminal alien revolving door," said guest host and conservative columnist Michelle Malkin last August. "Another heinous crime, another illegal alien suspect with a mile-long rap sheet, another bloody tragedy wrought by open borders."19 O'Reilly also uses the immigration issue to bash "the left": "The most extreme elements in this country want open borders, blanket amnesty, and entitlement for foreign nationals who have come here illegally, and generally want to change the demographics in the USA so political power can be assumed by the left," he said last October. "That is the end game."20

It's this kind of ugliness that the NYT editorial in question was specifically addressing:

Americans want immigration solved, and they realize that mass deportations will not do that. When you add the unprecedented engagement of growing numbers of Latino voters in 2008, it becomes clear that the nativist path is the path to permanent political irrelevance. Unless you can find a way to get rid of all the Latinos.

What was perhaps more notable than the report itself was the team that delivered it. It included Bay Buchanan, former adviser to Representative Tom Tancredo and sister of Pat, who founded the American Cause and wrote “State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America.” She was joined by James Pinkerton, an essayist and Fox News contributor who, as an aide to the first President Bush, took credit for the racist Willie Horton ads run against Michael Dukakis.

So far, so foul. But even more telling was the presence of Peter Brimelow, a former Forbes editor and founder of Vdare.com, an extremist anti-immigration Web site. It is named for Virginia Dare, the first white baby born in the English colonies, which tells you most of what you need to know.

Note that Pinkerton and Buchanan both appear in the whinefest that follows the "Impact Segment":

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It's also in this segment in which O'Reilly declares:

O'Reilly: Look, I'm gonna take this New York Times on. I mean it's war. Absolutely war. I've had enough.

Note that neither the guests nor O'Reilly bother to address the substance of the NYT's point: That these "mainstream" conservatives were lending their voices to an enterprise irrevocably tainted by the significant involvement of virulent racists. It's not guilt by association when the association is entirely relevant.

For instance, Brimelow, it turns out, is also taking part, as Eric Ward reports, in a "racial awareness" event this coming weekend with the overtly racist British National Party (essentially the English skinheads party) at airport hotel in Baltimore:

According to the “Preserving Western Civilization” website, one of the goals of the conference is to address white guilt for the “disappointing performance of blacks.” The event, being held at the Four Points Sheraton BWI Airport Hotel in Baltimore, MD, will also feature alleged “mainstream” anti-immigrant leader Peter Brimelow. Brimelow is a regular contributor to white nationalist John Tanton’s quarterly journal Social Contact Press.

The Times' own retort is both pointed and on the money:

The reaction in some quarters to our editorial has been furious. Some accused us of erecting a straw man. Some said we were “frothing at the mouth,” defaming those who don’t share our supposed traitorous devotion to “open borders” and instant citizenship for illegal immigrants. Bill O’Reilly, who presents himself as a defender of the “white, Christian male power structure,” called it “one of the nastiest pieces of propaganda from the New York Times we’ve seen in recent memory.”

For the record, The Times does not support open borders, and never has.

We support comprehensive immigration reform, a combination of stricter enforcement at the border and the workplace, a chance for those already here to earn legalization, and an improved system of future legal immigration.

What Bill O'Reilly, Bay Buchanan, James Pinkerton, Lou Dobbs, Michelle Malkin, and the whole crew of right-wing media transmitters who repackage old racist nonsense for mainstream consumption fail to understand is that merely talking about immigration isn't a sign of racism. It's talking about immigration like racists that is.

What usually raises questions of racism is how readily the discussion turns to how Latinos are polluting or diluting white culture, how they're bringing crime and disease, turning America into "a third world cesspool," how they're "invading" the country. In other words, it isn't talking about immigration that makes people hear racism; it's talking racist crap that does.

The favorite whine of O'Reilly, Dobbs, Malkin, and the right-wing nativist cohort is that "it's not fair that you can't discuss illegal immigration without being accused of being racist." But the problem isn't discussing illegal immigration. Indeed, I think everyone involved would love to have a discussion on immigration without racism rearing its ugly head.

But racism is rearing its ugly head when O'Reilly and Dobbs and Malkin and the whole pack of "immigration reformers" treat white-supremacist propaganda as reliable information and parrot talking points from those white supremacists as well.

Pointing out that they're doing it isn't the problem. Pretending that they're not is.

UPDATE: NewsHounds has more, including detail on the third segment of TORF, which featured even more mewling.

UPDATE II: Scott Lemieux remembers one of the better examples of O'Reilly's fetish about white male culture.



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...Mexican immigrants to come into this country and settle, what's from stopping them one day from saying, "Hey, let's take a vote of the people and see if we want to become part of Mexico?"

ex animo
davidfarrar

...but the GOP. White people had Ellis Island back in the 20's but Hispanics have the desert now. If the GOP wanted illegals nationalized then they would've funded the INS properly and made the nationalization a priority....they didn't, like on abortion they talk a lot of shit and stupid bastards fall for it.

Thx

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You are funny!!

The Brown People are coming!
Aggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

they're MATING!! Aggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

.. quite well actually.
Aggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
(just change the inflection, there ya go!)

they come with gallo pinto!?!?!?

I mean they could vote all they wanted.
But, A) if they're illegal, they can't vote.
And, B) why would they vote to make any US state part of Mexico?
They left Mexico for a reason, right?
Officially attempting to turn any US state into a Mexican state would start a war. And be really stupid.
Wherever they emigrate to, becomes a de facto Mexican-like place anyway. But it's still America.
That's part of what makes this country so cool, it's cultural diversity.
I do wish that the Latin immigrants would assimilate to our culture a bit more...like maybe...oh I dunno... maybe learn to speak and read fuckin ENGLISH!!! And ENTER OUR COUNTRY THROUGH LEGAL CHANNELS....I'd have to learn Spanish if I moved to Mexico.

But look at what McCain said...
"In America today we've got a very strong economy and low unemployment, so we need addition farm workers, including by the way agriculture, but there may come a time where we have an economic downturn, and we don't need so many."

He's obviously either off his meds...or takin too damn many!

I thought that much was obvious too.
It appears someone is trying to get a rise out of us.
Same old shit, be afraid of the brown people. You'd think that they'd come up with something smarter than that.

Yes...they have no other strategy..no other tools in their toolbox to try to frighten people.

Kinda pathetic really.

but...please don't feed the xenyphobes.

crosses my threads.

"I do wish that the Latin immigrants would assimilate to our culture a bit more...like maybe...oh I dunno... maybe learn to speak and read fuckin ENGLISH!!! And ENTER OUR COUNTRY THROUGH LEGAL CHANNELS.

Good fuckin ENGLISH!!! OFTEN COMES IN ALL CAPS.

)O(

The XIV amendment would stop them, as well as the Federal Supremacy Clause of Article I.

Like my best friend from high school used to say, what kind of crazy, monkeyball shit are you talking about? Do you even know how fucking government works? How votes work? What the fucking Contitution is?
Goddamn, I need to lay down after reading this nonsense!

The United States isn't run on a ballot initiative process like California, and even then, it's subject to review by the courts.

Now, you probably need to go lie down and rest, because I'm sure your brain is over-tired from having thought so hard to come up with that little scenario. Wouldn't want to fall asleep during church with Bill-O, would we?

I was talking about needing a lie down after reading his bullshit.
I miss those little lines that used to tell you who said what!

I miss them too because it can become very confusing.

I suppose we could start prefacing remarks with "@David:" or something.

Not a bad idea at all.

I think prefacing would be a good idea.

...far, far to literally. I am sure there wouldn't be an actual return of land to Mexico, not without a fight, but a de facto recognition of Mexican sovereignty.

ex animo
davidfarrar

It just ain't possible...I mean, they COULD vote on it, and say it's now sovereign Mexican territory...but that wouldn't make it so.

Any more than me planting a flag on my property and claimin I'm a sovereign nation.

"Wherever they emigrate to, becomes a de facto Mexican-like place anyway." lMn

I mean if you don't agree with my POV, fine.
At least give a meaningful rebuttal and maybe your POV.

You know...kinda like a debate....

But...li'l ricky...you seem to enjoy taking comments out of context...reminds me of faux noise' MO.

Interesting.

But this sentiment is widely shared in Mexico even today. Illegally coming over the border, a border they don't recognize, and not becoming American citizens, or swearing American allegiance, to many, is looked upon as a form of Mexican patriotism and a means to retake what they believe was illegally taken from them during the Intervención Norteamericana en México.

ex animio
davidfarrar

Maybe they don't.
I have no idea.
Sounds possible, but it still doesn't change the fact, that they're not changing American soil to Mexican soil simply by being there and wishing it were so.

"Wherever they emigrate to, becomes a de facto Mexican-like place anyway." lMn

Find a regular Mexican here in the US.
Ask them what they think of the Mexican government (be prepared for an earful).
Now ask them, would you vote to have your state (whereever they are) join the mexican government and be under it's authority?

Send me the video. I want to laugh at them laughing their butts off at you.

BTW, can you tell a Mexican from a Columbian, Nicaraguan, Costa Rican? Puerto Rican? By looking at them? Is there a difference or do ALL of them think the US belongs to Mexico due to some patriotism?

Do you have a source for this?

Other than Michelle Malkin, Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Reilly, or Victor Davis Hanson?

All of whom got the "Aztlan" idea from our old white-supremacist friends, American Border Patrol, who concocted this particular conspiracy theory back in the early '90s.

davidfarrars thoughts on the "Amero", and the North American Union...
This ought to be good.
Popcorn anyone?

or some other student organization that offended one of them back in college.

@DavidFarrar:

One more time. You're talking utter nonsense.

"... this sentiment is widely shared in Mexico even today."

Who cares? Really. Their own country is teetering on the brink. They could all ship up here tomorrow, plant a Mexican flag on my front lawn, and it wouldn't make it Mexico.

What you keep trying to push is nothing more than a Lou-Dobbsian fantasy. In fact, you're making even less sense than Sarah Palin did in her rambling about Putin's head rearing up and ... where does it go?

(Hint: It stays attached to his neck, which is in Russia.)

You were talking absolute cack. Even the Mexican sovereignty makes no sense. Like mentioned above, illegals can't vote and even if they could, why on earth would they want to return sovereignty to a country from which they were leaving? Think before you type. Christ's sake, I had an easier time today telling my 5 year old why he couldn't grow up to be a cartoon character.

)O(

That's been my lifelong ambition.

Did Betty Boop ever put out?

... find it on YouTube. Bill-O says you can find all sorts of shit that people, like, just make up.

He has Betty Boop cataloged in a variety of useful positions and is waiting for the right poster to spring it on.

)O(

I already sprung one on.

anime, child psychology, erectile dysfunction products, O'Reilly, parts.

Loofa, Lou Dobbs

But their children can and will someday. The next thing you know,they will be telling us about all those Americans who stole their land from them and how they should get it back, and, bingo, we got ourselves another war on our hands.

ex animo
davidfarrar

thing you got going there. Conservocode for 'wetback,' no doubt. Jesus. How arrogant.

is afraid of his gardener's presumed grandkids? A war you say? They will be armed with their dad's old rusty shovel?

Well, OK, sure maybe The Shoveller in Mystery Men was scary.

The next think you know, that's such a fun lead in!

The next think you know, they'll be telling their kids about these crazy conspiracy theories some people had.

The next think you know, people who consider themselves pure racially white will be a minority, and nothing bad will happen.

The next think you know, oh someone else's turn next.

(@David)

... aren't making sense at all, literal or not.

Mexico is already a separate, sovereign nation. There will be no magical vote turning part of America into 'Mexico North.'

There is no process through which citizens can enact treaties through a majority vote. Go read the Constitution.

You are out of your mind. Stop watching O'Reilly and Hannity right now and there may be some hope for you.

brain cells die.

You do realize that what you described it is exactly the MO under which the WASP gringos did in fact annex most of what it is now the Southwestern USA. Which used to be the Northwestern states of Mexico, until one day in which a bunch of illegal white settlers decided to secede from Mexio after several "elections."

Projection and wingnuts seem to go hand in hand...

I deleted one branch of silliness off this thread and I'll do it again. Personal attacks on fellow commenters are a violation of commenting guidelines. Perps will be deleted and banned. Feel free to click on "flag as inappropriate" if you see any BS on the threads. - Sitemonitor

were let in as legal immigrants and given citizenship. It was only when they refused to assimilate as promised by learning Spanish, eradicating use of English, and converting to Catholicism
that the Mexican government cracked down. The Gringos demanded statehood. Mexico turned them down. The Gringos rebelled and formed their own country. Then they joined the US and the US stole the rest of northern Mexico through conquest.

But you are right about not feeding the trolls.

Actually plenty white settlers were neither legal nor invited.

I must have missed when Crokett et al applied for Mexican citizenship when they threw that good ol party at El Alamo.

BTW, the places the Grigos were settling in were already states. The official name of Mexico is actually: "United States of Mexico"

I rest my case.

ex animo
davidfarrar

Just rhetorical.

Bill O'Reilly is a Bold, Fresh Piece of Crap.

because that's what this dog and pony show is all about. Smoke and mirrors.

He went nutjobs on Washington State, after beliefs other that Billo thinks is proper, went on display in the capital at Christmas. Also he rails against the Seattle PI for being a leftest rag and is very happy that it probably will be out of business after 164 years in March because Hearst will not find a buyer.

Can we please erase this jackass off the air?

Just a thought. What about Dobbs? He should be in the same can as Billo.

...by simply turning the dial.

ex animo
davidfarrar

Hey nitwit, it's not a smear when it's the truth. You are a racist pig, and belong to a racist political party. Lets get the facts correct.

So O'Reilly is a racist? Who would have thought?

John Gibson, O'Reilly's best friend, is also a racist. And Glenn Beck? Hannity? This list could get long.

By attacking the 1st Amendment, O'Pervert is attacking his own industry. This weirdo needs his head examined but I hope his bosses, like Limbaugh's see how truley pathetic these bloviated buffoons of broadcast, are. All republicans are now in self-destruct mode and they are desperate to get their ratings back up to where Rove and Cheney fraudulently placed them under Bush.

At the hospital: "Mr. O'Reilly, please stand still for your strait-jacket fitting or you won't get any oatmeal".

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Sorry SM...I was trying to make a funny.

)O(

You can do what I do and refer to custard cream guns and seltzer spray bottles.

Thanks!

On the reich - theirs is an alternate universe.

Buchanan's face lift looks pretty good.
*

The Anti-Viagra.

Ohhhh noooo! The scary brown people are threatening the white male power structure.

Like I care what Billo the Clown fears. Just keep him and his loofah/falafel away from me.

Why spend so much time outing O'Reilly's insane POV? It just gives the blowhard more attention and publicity. He's been Johnny-One-Note for so long it isn't necessary to listen or read anything about him.

It is easy pile on this poor falafel obssessed a**hole, but is it worth it in the long run? I think Olberman does such a good job keeping us apprised of the latest rantings of O'Reilly that we don't need redundant humorless postings about him.

The world is a so much better place since a lot of folks stopped promoting Ann Coulter's hate filled stylings. Let's give Bill-O the same treatment.

Or, if you can't shake the habit, just make them shorter.

In order to fight one's enemy, one must know one's enemy. If we don't pay attention to what they are saying and doing and attempt to thwart them by shining the light on them, then we are just as culpable as they are.

"See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" does not make evil go away. Instead, it allows evil to fester and take over.

)O(

Limblob was dismissed for years as a fringe bloviator preaching to the choir of senile shut-ins. His influence grew to the point where he was named as an honorary member of the congress by his obese friend Newt Gingrich. Coulter, Malkin, Savage-Weiner, Bob Grant, and the rest of the nutcase right get a disproportionate level of attention from the mainstream "liberal media" because it creates controversy for ratings and distracts from what the corporate media conglomerates that own them do to our democracy. Sunshine is a great disinfectant.

Who reads this blog? For the most part, people who already know what a lying sack O'Reilly is.

I leave it to TV - Olberman specifically - to inform those who don't already know Bill-O's rep.

There's so much evil out there, I hate to waste the white space on someone as useless as Bill (and I think he thrives on it - a lot of them do of course - Ann, Glen, Michele, etc.).

Of course if Bill or any of the others reached some new subterranean level of vitriolic idiocy, that would be different. This is "same old, same old" for Bill, but thats just MHO after all. Far be it from me to ruin anyone's fun.

Bombs away.

... ignore them at our peril. The past eight years were just the latest in the railroading job these racists and kooks have done on America.

Liberals laughed when Limbaugh came on the scene. Ignored him. Now, he's so entrenched that members of Congress have to kiss his ring and apologize on-air.

It would be easy to ignore O'Reilly if he were a marginal figure. Unfortunately, Fox's ratings since the elections have been very strong. So as long as he is spewing falsehoods, progressives have a responsibility to point them out. Otherwise they have a free field to lie, and they have an audience of millions.

Wow!

)O(

The other day michelle (gri)malkin and beck were getting their panties in a bunch about Mexico that sounded racist.

Illegals can't vote of course, but I think it's a concern when people say X% of this area is hispanic, so we need X% of some city, state or federal legislature to be hispanic, since that's not accounting for how much of that populace is illegal and non-voters.

... on YouTube and either get his tirades or the dance mix of his InsideEdition meltdown.

And, Bill-O, it's called video. We're not making the shit up - you actually say these things.

I love how he says anyone can post anything and it will come up when you google it! This brings up a video of you saying exactly what Rosenthal is directing people to google! Sounds like spin to me, BillO!

I guess the right just has to have something to bitch about each week and this week it appears to be Mexican people. I guess being afraid of Muslims is so 2008, so the new fear is people from Mexico.

The only ones who listen to BillO and his ilk are Billo and his ilk. Kind of like the republican party right now. No one gives much of a damn what they are whining about either.

I guess they figure being afraid of Muslims didn't work since Obama got elected even though they tried to make him a Muslim so it's off to the next group to fear!

My neighbor swears Obama is a "secret Muslim" lol!
I honestly thinks he gets this dumb shit from his church...one of those "the earth is only 6000 years old" kinda churches.

Seriously, what is a "Secret Muslim?" How would one behave, seeing as though he'd need to pray 5 times a day and I'm sure Michelle the girls and others would notice if he didn't eat or drink during daylight for a month in October. The dude is skinny, but not that skinny.Then there is that matter of the Hajj and that trip to Mecca. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

I can see being a secret lover of Scandanavian pop music or those shitty movies that come on the Lifetime Channel (holds my hand up) but that's a hell of a lot easier than being a secret member of a religion.

... a closeted drunk, as George W. Bush can attest.

You're absolutely right.
These people who swear up and down that Obama's not what he seems to be are absolutely lacking in any type of reasoning ability.
It's like they make up shit that makes THEM feel better about their pathetic little worlds.
Makes them feel important I guess.

... the day Malkin, Coulter, Schlussel, Althouse, Morgan and the like end up in burquas and punished under Shari'a Law for being disrespectful, loudmouthed sluts might actually be a really good day.

/snark

Man...What is up with Malkin?
That is one disturbed woman. She is so very full of hate.

or does it appear that her family may have imigrated from somewhere at some point in time?

And damn near everyone else in this country.
That's not really relevant IMHO.
Someones heritage isn't nearly as important to me as how someone acts or speaks in the present.

I've got one screwed up heritage myself.

"The President of the United States isn't required to be Christian, he's required only to obey to law."

... the last holder of the office didn't do a good job either way.

And he was all about teh Jebus.

Silly cowboy. Everyone knows you don't catch Jebus in front of the White House!

Yep, I think that's about right.

O'Reilly ....most Americans reject blanket amnesty, as was demonstrated when the immigration bill of 2007 crashed and burned in Congress.

Yeah, right, Body-Odor. People in Congress ALWAYS vote to reflect the wishes of Americans, like Bush's torture and illegal attacks, invasions, and occupations of sovereign countries, and approving illegal wiretapping of Americans.

What a jackass idiot.

How about we all declare a war on Greed and Stupid? Imagine the victory if we won.

The NYT is one of the "far-left entities"? I wasn't aware of this. I'm relieved that O'Reilly is around to keep things straight for us. Now, if only the NYT would start biting back. That could get interesting.

I'm thinking a good way to rescue the economy would be to corner the market on starched white sheets and start selling them to O'Reilly and his minions. Custom-made eyeholes, pointy hats, the works. Big Cash.

We should fit them with full Nazi SS uniforms.

Who can afford Hugo Boss right now? Besides, who would want to see O'Reilly and his followers mess up a finely tailored suit? (Just like most sane people, I hate everything the Nazis stood for, but you can't fault the tailoring!)

to tell me where the center is, because without pro-torture xenophobes who think they pay too much captial gains tax telling me right from wrong, I would be confused as to how I compare to other Americans.

)O(

Judging by that picture, o'really has been taking elocution lessons from William Shatner.

My GOD! They're coming. And. They. Can. Name Their Own. Price!

)O(

If someone posted comments praising the troops, and extolling their successes, would that be using this site to promote valiance?

... we could discuss molecular physics and promote valences.

That's because our troops are valiant.

@Shadowgm: But a discussion on molecular physics isn't.

ex animo
davidfarrar

This and more news from the media critique journal: "DUH."

Republican party." (3:16 mark)

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Hell, 20-30 people could probably do it nowadays...

)O(

And Simon he surnamed Peter;

Too funny, the google search does bring up a C&L video of Orally! But he can't say C&L because saying Liar brings up Frankin's ghost! Poor BillO, boo hoo!!!!!

I have not heard O Reilly , Limbaugh or any of the other racists complain once about the millions of aliens given amnesty by their hero Ronald Reagan. I guess when their messiah does something it is automatically acceptable, I believe it was in the neighborhood of eight million.

Reagen has been roundly criticized for his "amnesty" program, because if you will remember, part of that program was an implied promise to control the borders, which never happened.

I am sure once we have truly regained control of your borders with Mexico, the issue of amnesty can be reconsidered. But not before.

ex animo
davidfarrar

...is to distract the reich-wing, evangelical, stupid masses who listen to him on a regular basis from what is really happening in this country. And, he does a damn fine job of that! If you watch his show (I can only stand to do so for a few minutes at a time), or for that matter any show on Faux, they do not present news - they present hyped distraction.

While he spends his time bloviating about short brown people invading our country, or covering his fetish with child molestation, or any other of his frequent topics, the people who watch are not receiving actual facts about the economy, the wars in the ME, the political criminals who've been stealing our rights, etc. While people are busy being afraid of Muslims and Mexicans, they don't notice what's really happening.

...

"They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you're a part, and so am I"

reading this hate-rant, i get the impression that bill is:

- a racist
- a sexist
- and a religious bigot

hee hee, oh right, this is o'reilly.... no wonder i get that impression

from the sound of it o'reilly is ready to take to resort to volience to protect the system that favors and gives special privilege to white, christian, males...

isn't that the motto of the KluKluxKlan?

David Duke said something similar after Steele was named big dawg at the RNC.

what a scamp! he might be the most hugable imperial grand wizard around, those cherubic cheeks! i mean, come on... adorable!

HA!

You bastard!
Nearly made coffee spew outta my nasals!
That is some funny shit!

)O(

That was what somebody earlier called "southern slang Genius."
Or was it Genus.

...
)O(

Nice link lnm. Now do you have a dictionary for ricky speak? I can only understand him when he is quoting someone else.

That's gonna take quite a while to put together.

Thanks for continuing to call out nativist and racists for their anti-migrant lies, David. You're a bright spot in an otherwise hostile online climate.

click on "Digg it" at the top. It helps bring more attention to whatever post you appreciate.

Thanks.

Good luck with that Billo you nardless, irrelevant little bitch.

)O(

...he's holding a falafel.

Why does this idiot feel the need to take 18 minutes out of every show to take on anyone who might have criticized him in the papers or on TV. A shallow, egotistical, loon of a man.

Yeah, I think it's time to stop giving Billio the net coverage. I mean, let's face it, anyone who puts credance into anything he says is diluded and part of a minority group anyway. The illegals that are here aren't going anywhere, only more will continue to arrive, and in time, the neocons will simply fade in numbers.

@ducatidave:

Neocons are not presenting ideas for rational discussion. They are, through the 'mainstream media' dodge and tactics such as defending the leader (Bush) or the chosen prophets (Bill-O, etc.), more akin with a cult.

Unless we continue to dismantle their arguments, they will find traction, because they appeal to base instincts: fear, the need for control, and ego, rather than higher reasoning.

Ignoring them only allows them to spread their vile poison further. And then, one day, you wake up to find that America has launched a war of aggression, believes torture is both moral and productive, and that we should listen to a bunch of morons who helped tank the economy.

is coming from...but Shadowgm, you make an excellent argument for keeping O'Lielly's BS front and center.
We must constantly debunk his BS.

find traction, because they appeal to base instincts: fear, the need for control, and ego, rather than higher reasoning.

Correct. We have to point out that it's all about tax cuts for the wealthy and nothing more.

It would be a hoot if he was descendant of illegal immigrants (although by definition most white people in this land, we *are* in fact illegal immigrants).

)O(

Technically, if there were no immigration laws there can be no illegal immigrants.

i guess then it would simply be " descendants of invaders." or "immigrants aided by unjust theft." ? not pointing to anyone. but the comment ignores the spirit of Tyler Durden's response for a play at semantics. so, just trying to get back to the point of that comment, which is to imply everyone here now should have some humility and perspective when it comes to pointing the finger at immigrants of today.

My paternal grandfather came in under a paper name.

My maternal grandfather sent my grandmother back to the United States (she was born in Montana) in the hopes that she would give birth to a son, as a son was allowed by law to send for his father. Instead, she had a baby girl (my mother). My grandfather was killed in an uprising or similar event (grandmother didn't speak about it much).

that technicalities were invented by some people to sleep better at night :-)

For example, just because most native Americans did not have the concept of land ownership... I would not label what some of my ancestors did as anything other than theft.

My point I guess, was that it is a slippery rope for modern day Americans to try to obtain any sort of moral high ground regarding immigration (legal or illegal). IMHO it is due to the unique history of this country as a nation made of immigrants.

The main reason I take an issue with illegal immigration debates, is because the people who are being labeled as "illegal immigrants" can, in most cases trace, their family roots to this hemisphere eons before any of the self righteous commentator's families step on this land. So it is hard to figure out who is legal and who is not... unless the "goalposts" are moved and I find that very intellectually dishonest to tell you the truth.

And my grandfather worked hard (364 days a year, in some cases) to make sure his children went to school and got a higher education.

So now the family, spanning five generations, includes doctors, teachers, scientists, police officers, and more. Family members have served in the military, through World War II and Korea (one uncle, I believe, was decorated for valor). And we're primarily Catholic/Christian.

For some pompous windbag like Bill-O to denounce all immigrants by waving his 'white, male Christian power structure' tripe hither and yon just frosts me.

For example, just because most native Americans did not have the concept of land ownership... I would not label what some of my ancestors did as anything other than theft.

They even went to the US supreme court to get the US to honor the treaties it signed agreeing to land boundaries.

http://www.enotes.com/supreme-court-drama/che...
Good summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation_...
Lawsuit 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Geo...
Lawsuit 2

Land got taken anyway when they found gold though anyway resulting in Trail of Tears.

Just a side-point, but the ignorant savages angles bugs me, since Cherokee at the time of their removal were literate, settled farmers, mostly Christian and fought it up to the supreme court and by lobbying congress.

There was no such things an illegal immigrant in this country until 1924, when Congress passed the specifically eugenicist Immigration Act of 1924, also known as the "Asian Exclusion Act."

So most likely O'Reilly's descendants were legal.

... anti-Asian sentiment prior to that date, David.

Jean Pfalzer's book, Driven Out chronicles the era well.

Oh, those sentiments played a major role in the passage of that Act.

America's current immigration law is built on a bedrock of xenophobic racism.

... and the Workingmen's Party led the way.

Not surprisingly, it was the same Lou Dobbs-style nonsense as to how John Chinaman was going to take the place over, teach their heathen ways to our children, steal jobs and property from hard-working white folk, etc.

(He's not who Kearny Street in San Francisco is named for, though.)

Yep. I discuss Kearney in Strawberry Days. After the Chinese Exclusion Act was passed, he turned his energies to the Japanese.

All of the racist "Yellow Peril" fearmongering that went on from 1900-24, culminating in the passage of the Act, wound up playing the central role in the internment of the Japanese in WWII.

You see, Americans had been told for decades that Japanese immigrants were secret footsoldiers of the Emperor, sent to pave the way for an eventual invasion of the Pacific Coast. There were even books published to this effect, the most famous being The Valor of Ignorance. These farmers and peasants were supposed to spring into action when given the secret signal from the Emperor and engage in a campaign of sabotage and otherwise enabling the invasion. That was the heart of the "Yellow Peril" theory.

So after Pearl Harbor, Americans conditioned to believe such rot sprang into action to defend themselves, as it were.

Interestingly enough, the xenophobia also played a causal role in causing our entry into WWII. When it culminated in the passage of the Asian Exclusion Act, there were riots of angry protest in Japan; the U.S. embassy in Tokyo was very nearly attacked and burned. Because of course the Japanese saw it as a supreme insult. Prior to that point, there had been a nascent pro-democracy movement in Japan that was vying with the military authoritarians for public support and eventual control of the government. After 1924, it crumbled and the military -- which was already bellicose and anti-American -- seized complete control. After that, well, the rest is history.

... the link to your C&L bio isn't working.

Tue, 02/03/2009 - 10:30 — David Neiwert
Oh, those sentiments played a major role in the passage of that Act.

America's current immigration law is built on a bedrock of xenophobic racism.
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Fear of:

http://www.sccs.swarthmore.edu/users/02/manve...

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From New Zealand I think

She certainly would make me zealous

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Thank you Tyler, for, as Nezua said, making the point that everyone in this country who is the descendants of immigrants, legal or not, needs to approach this situation with humility (something that BillO wouldn't know if it bit him in the ass).

As the descendant of both Native Americans and Tejanos who were born in Texas prior to its annexation, plus others who had completely and permanently crossed over the borders by the 1880s (and lived along our current borderline for centuries prior to the 1880s), I didn't know whether to weep or laugh bitterly when I first found out that Tom Tancredo was only 2nd generation American...

is such a goofy man. I am sure the NYT is shaking in their boots in fear.

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