Pope Benedict reaches out to anti-Semitic Catholics, but liberals still talk to the hand (video fixed)
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A lot of people were concerned when an arch-conservative like Cardinal Ratzinger was named the pope, but I don't think any of us imagined that he would be soon playing footsie with some of Catholicism's most prominent anti-Semites -- namely, the Society of St. Pius X.
From the Catholic Reporter:
Papal reconciliation move will stir controversy
In a gesture billed as an “act of peace,” but one destined both to fire intra-Catholic debate about the meaning of the Second Vatican Council and to open a new front in Jewish/Catholic tensions, the Vatican today formally lifted a twenty-year-old excommunication imposed on four bishops who broke with Rome in protest over the liberalizing reforms of Vatican II (1962-65).
Ironically, news of the move came just one day before the 50th anniversary of the announcement by Pope John XXIII of his intention to call Vatican II.
The four bishops had been ordained in defiance of the late Pope John Paul II in 1988 by Swiss Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, whose Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X clung to the old Latin Mass after Vatican II and also expressed deep reservations about both ecumenism and religious freedom. Lefebvre died in 1991.
The four prelates involved are Bernard Fellay, superior of the Fraternity of St. Pius X; Alfonso de Gallareta; Tissier de Mallerais; and Richard Williamson. Their legitimacy as bishops has never been in question, since under Catholic law, Lefebvre was a legitimately ordained bishop and hence any ordination he performed is considered “valid” but “illicit.”
Unsurprisingly, the move to bring the Society back into the Catholic fold this weekend came just as the Society's members were revealing their true selves:
While Catholics will likely see the decree as a victory for a conservative reading of Vatican II, it has also sparked protest in Jewish quarters for a different reason: One of the four Lefebvrite prelates, Richard Williamson of Great Britain, recently made comments that appeared to cast doubt on the historical truth of the Holocaust.
In an interview with Swedish television recorded in November but aired in January, Williamson said that he did not believe the Nazis had used gas chambers. Fellay: Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, is pictured in a 2004 file photo. He was among the four men ordained bishops in 1988 by the society's founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. (CNS photo)Fellay: Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior of the Society of St. Pius X, is pictured in a 2004 file photo. He was among the four men ordained bishops in 1988 by the society's founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. (CNS photo)
“Between 200,000 and 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber,” Williamson said, according to a transcript of the program.
And of course, Jewish leaders are concerned:
British Jewish groups condemned the decision and said they feared it could damage social cohesion. "The Council of Christians and Jews have said that in recent years there has been a considerable increase in antisemitism from some of the eastern European churches," said Mark Gardner, spokesman for the Community Security Trust which monitors attacks on Jewish people in the UK. Gardner said he hoped the Vatican would make it clear it abhors Williamson's comments about the gas chambers.
"Jews will be extremely alarmed by the lifting of this excommunication on somebody who holds such extreme anti-Jewish views," Gardner said. "I hope the Vatican will speak out on this particular aspect of Williamson's ideology."
Elan Steinberg, vice president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, warned last week the Vatican's actions would play into the hands of those seeking to stir up trouble. "For the Jewish people ... this development ... encourages hate-mongers everywhere," Steinberg said. Rome's chief rabbi Riccardo Di Segni said that revoking Williamson's excommunication would open "a deep wound".
What none of these news accounts observe is that the problem with St. Pius X isn't just that it has some kooky leaders, but that their rejection of Vatican II prominently includes their rejection of one of its most important reforms -- namely, the longtime Catholic belief in the "blood libel" that Jews were guilty of deicide for having ostensibly killed Jesus. In fact, these Catholics openly trumpet their belief that the Jews are responsible for Christ's crucifixion.
This is why the Society of St. Pius X may ring a bell for some of you -- Mel Gibson's involvement in the "traditional Catholic" movement brought the Society into the news, especially when he released his medievally ultraviolent version of The Passion of the Christ. It came to people's notice then that not only was Gibson (whose own anti-Semitism later was publicly exposed once and for all) involved in this radical Catholicism, but so was his father -- you know, the fellow who made speaking appearances at Holocaust-denial conferences.
As the SPLC reported:
It is in The Angelus, published monthly by the SSPX press, and on SSPX's website, that the radical anti-Semitism of the order is most evident today. One example now on the website is a 1997 Angelus article by SSPX priests Michael Crowdy and Kenneth Novak that calls for locking Jews into ghettos because "Jews are known to kill Christians." It also blames Jews for the French Revolution, communism and capitalism; suggests a Judeo-Masonic conspiracy has destroyed the Catholic Church; and describes Judaism as "inimical to all nations."
Another document reproduced on the SSPX's current website is a 1959 letter from Lefebvre's close friend, Bishop Gerald Sigaud, who also rejected the Vatican II reforms. "Money, the media, and international politics are for a large part in the hands of Jews," Bishop Sigaud wrote. "Those who have revealed the atomic secrets of the USA were … all Jews. The founders of communism were Jews."
The Angelus Press sells anti-Semitic tomes like Hilaire Beloc's The Jews, which blames Jews for Bolshevism and corrupt financial practices, and Monsignor George Dillon's Freemasonry Unmasked, which purports to explain a centuries-old Judeo-Masonic plot to destroy the Catholic Church. More recent SSPX publications include the 2005 pamphlet Time Bombs of the Second Vatican Council, by Franz Schmidberger, the former superior general of the SSPX. Schmidberger denounces Third World immigration into Western countries as "destroying our national identity and, furthermore, the whole of Christianity," and accuses the Jews of deicide.
Of course, it's one thing if Pope Benedict is simply seeking to heal old rifts within the church and bring its diverse elements closer together. But no such outreach to liberals within the church -- particularly the American liberals who have questioned the church's positions on birth control and gay rights -- has been forthcoming. As the Catholic Reporter piece observes:
Vatican solicitude for the Lefebvrites has long been a source of frustration for some on the Catholic left, who complain that there’s no similar concern to heal alienation among liberals. Jesuit Fr. Thomas Reese, for example, charged in a 1997 lecture: “As long as dissenters stay in the church they are treated like pariahs, but schismatics such as Lefebvre are wooed at the highest level. After you have been in schism long enough, you are honored and loved as separated brothers and sisters, even if you hold more extreme views than those of Catholic dissenters.”
I think most people understood that Pope Benedict had in mind rolling back liberal reforms of the past generation or so when he ascended to his seat. But I don't think anyone thought the rollback included the Vatican II reforms that brought the Church into the modern age. Now, it's starting to look like they are -- and that's just the beginning of it. Indeed, the Church under Benedict is looking positively medieval again.
Well, it's nice to know the Bishop who was excommunicated can get out of Hell now. It's hot in there!
...from the "Boogity-Boogity shop?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7C8avvdzR4
Solid Gold, AGold!
"Jeeeeewwwwwssss!"
does worketh the three-headed god's C.E.O. in this part of the Universe.
Here is the response of one extremely outraged Catholic.
Perhaps Williamson should talk to my 88 year-old friend John Capano. He told me about when, as an infantryman in the 30th Division in 1945, he saw the gas chambers in the death camps.
This is a disgrace to both Catholicism and humanity.
He states that "..the historical evidence is strongly hugely against six million jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers.."
I don't think anyone should have a problem with that statement. The problem I have is the minimization of the human life that was lost in the Nazi concentration camps. If a civilian dies of typhus as opposed to asphyxiation, it is still murder.
But I also have a problem with the minimization of the tens of millions of civilian deaths from WW2, and that somehow the jewish and gypsy suffering is more relevant or noteworthy.
so you wish to compare civilian deaths as a result of war to those that were systematically rounded up, sent to camps and marked for death?
there is both a moral and legal difference
you, like the pope, choose not to see that
thats fine
immoral and hateful...but fine
Being a civilian myself, I find no tangible difference in being marked for death by the third reich, being disintegrated by a plutonium bomb or by another state power. It is all the same - murder.
If you cannot see that, then your are viewing history through a prism of indifference.
I have said nothing hateful. Every civilian death, as far as I am concerned, is distasteful.
The Holocaust and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "distasteful"? In your book, what would actually qualify as "bad"? Pointing out that anti-Semites are bigots?
Putting a label on someone does not compare to murder. There is nothing worse than that.
Yeah, nothing wrong with a little bit of Holocaust denial, right?
I don't see where anyone has minimized the loss of human life that didn't die in the gas chambers. As it was, only a couple of the major concentration camps had gas chambers, so the rest died of malnutrition, disease, torture, assassination, medical experimentation, etc.
Right now, I happen to be in München and did a tour of Dachau today. Towards the end of the war a second larger crematorium was built there, more accurately called incinerators than a crematorium. This crematorium had 5 gas chambers, 4 used to kill typhus lice in clothing and bedding and one for mass extermination of people. It is believed the one used for extermination of people wasn't used, or used very little, as those that were set for gassing were still sent to Auschwitz. The conditions at Dachau were never good, but by the end of the war, the overcrowding was such that the conditions were positively miserable. And the numbers of people that died there skyrocketed. Even after the prisoners were liberated, many were in such weakened and sick conditions, several thousand more still died in the next several months. The conditions and the deaths at Dachau shocked the world, and few, if any at Dachau itself died from gassings. So to say there is "minimization of the human life that was lost in the Nazi concentration camps" would be well off base.
with a statement that's totally and demonstrably false? That spits on the testimony of the survivors, the rescuers, and the criminals themselves? Anyone?
I have a problem with that statement: No one claims that 6 million Jews were gassed; they claim that 6 million Jews died in the camps and the larger campaign of mass killing that comprised the Holocaust, which is a different thing altogether, and probably an accurate number.
The numbers of people who died from gassing, as I understand it, was well under a million (the most active chamber, at Auschwitz, was credited with killing 10,000); many millions more died from disease, starvation, overwork, or were shot or otherwise summarily executed. Remember too that a large portion of the 6 million includes those Jews massacred in mass killings that took place in places like Poland and Estonia.
There were not that many Jews living in Europ at the time. I do believe many Jew died but I really don't care how many because even ONE PERSON dieing is wrong not matter what race.
Italian Jewish Community Union President, Renzo Gattegna, and the head of the Jewish Community in Milano, Italy have said that while denial of the Holocaust is a disgrace, the fact that the Church had welcomed back Richard Williamson was an internal, religious matter which they were not interested in interfering with. Both Italian Rabbis also stated that Williamson's being welcomed back to the church had nothing to do with his personal ideas.
But of course, the American and most likely Zionist Rabbi David Rosen from the International Jewish Community for Interreligious Consultations claims the act of welcoming Williamson back to the Church had contaminated the entire church and undone years of progress in Jewish-Catholic relations.
Soon we will have a Palestinian state. Can we reasonably blame the Jewish-American trouble-makers if we also have a new international city -- Jerusalem, which just might be overseen by the Vatican?
Can someone decipher this? I have no idea what is being discussed, or its' relevance to anything?
I could tell you but I'd have to pray for your soul afterwards.
His sympathies to the Nazis run deep.
Four Bishops are being brought back into the Vatican ......
and of the four, I think three (two?) are still insisting the Holocaust did not happen.
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(sorry 'bout the pause and extra comment)....which means even more discord among the Jews and Catholics...................
Religion is alive and well folks.
and those buttinsky catholic motherfuckers. Bringing and enhancing the pain and suffering of millions, if not billions, for nearly 2000 years.
Is he rolling back to the Latin Mass? Let him. The Catholic liturgy is much more relevant in a dead language. It makes more sense, "Dominoes and Biscuits" "Amen"
I'll bet that bishop is a holocaust denier to get Pius XII off the hook. If it never happened, Pius wouldn't have been a collaborator.
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that pizza w/anchovies.
Some stuff you can't make up!
is that parts are virulently anti jewish
that was partially the reason it was ceased
that, and modern day catholics couldnt relate to latin
I was there.
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The part of the Latin Mass that you think is a problem is the prayer that calls for the conversion of Jews. Catholics believe that only Catholics go to heaven, so actually we are doing the Jews a favor when we pray for them to be converted.
And by the way, in most Muslim countries, non-Muslim's are not even allowed to prosteltize their own faith so please give the Catholics a break. Surely, you do remember what happened to the American man who brought his Budhist concubine to Saudi Arabia and lived with her openly while professing a desire to become a Muslim. He was decapitated!
Jews can't tell Catholics what to do. The last time I checked, the Vatican was there for Christians -- not for Jews.
"I'll bet that bishop is a holocaust denier to get Pius XII off the hook. If it never happened, Pius wouldn't have been a collaborator."
Nail right on head!
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
has been scrubbed from the internet, at least in Google, which owns YouTube and hosts the Poop's new, 'with-it' YouTube channel. The wiki entry has Pius looking like a saint (snort).
Also, oddly enough, YouTube has teamed up with the
MossadADL to spread the good word about Zionism, to keep those who speak out against Zionist practices on a list or to shut them up. I wonder how they'll resolve this conflict...me-oww!
Why am I not surprised that there's a cover-up of this very ugly piece of history? I hate to admit it, but there's probably a lot of people who'd never heard of the collaboration unless they've seen Eddie Izzard's comedy shows. It's really shameful...
"The greatest tyranny is censoring information in order to be better able to control people." - Cristina Saralegui
wants to see Jews live in Israel? I think everybody agrees that Israeli war crimes and atrocities are right out, but is it now evil for Jews to want to live in Israel?
This freaking nazi is not a "was a nazi youth"; he is still a nazi. He is not spiritually aligned with the teaching of the Catholic Church.
He has no standing among a multitude of Catholics in America and the world. There is a sense of disconnect, he is not the true Pope.
American priests, Bishops, Cardinals, and leaders should seriously begin to distance themselves from the evils of this man. From the onset of his reign, it has become apparent that he does not hold true the tenants of the faith. He should have never accquired the post of Pope, he does not belong there, he is not the true leader of the Catholic faith.
He is spiritually aligned with the teaching of the Catholic Church.
They endorsed slavery, and imperialism and racial superiority and there WAS that Inquisition thingy, A bit anti-semitic as well, among other things.
Some stuff you can't make up!
This is wonderful news. Educated, western-country members of the Roman Catholic Church are already abandoning their church. This can only accelerate the process. Combined with normal attrition by apostacy, heresy, blasphemy, and death, the man of the funny hat will be standing by himself in another twenty years!
Proud DFH, emeritus!
fool!!
I think it's heartening to see the Catholic Church reconsider its medieval treatment of souls it once banished in excommunication. First with Gallileo, and now with Archbishop Lefebvre's Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius X, we are witnessing a series of profound revelations at the very highest enclaves of the Vatican. I look forward to day when those most ancient of fallen celestial luminaries, Mephistopheles, Lucifer, and Satan, are welcomed back into the fold.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
a good place to start would be 2000 year old superstitions that do nothing but divide and enslave us. And, if you've ever been to the Vatican, you'll have seen that the money changers are back in charge of the temple
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.”
- John Stuart Mill
may as well throw out politics as well... certainly no money changers in washington...
The Rat strikes again. He was a brown-shirt in his youth - I guess he has fond memories or the times.
I'm glad I left the church - about 35 years ago now - but I'm even more pleased to know that my daughters - especially - will never be a part of that misogynistic organization. The Catholic church's upper ranks are just another increasingly irrelevant all-male club.
The problems that plague the church are chronic. It's dying a slow death and I couldn't be happier.
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Catholicism, after all, is all about fear of the vagina.
Popenfürher Ratzinger gives me the creeps.
... fiddle with your rosaries,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
You're doin' the Vatican Rag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0
Seems as if the Pope is using the same strategy that worked so well for the Republicans this election term -- playing to his base. I don't give a Rat's patoot, but if Papa Ratzinger wanted to find the best strategy to reduce the number of Roman Catholics in Western nations, he's got it now. WWJD? Something way different.
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"We decree and order that from now on, AND FOR ALL TIME, Christians shall not eat or drink with Jews; nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. Christians shall not allow Jews to hold civil honors over Christians, or to exercise public office in the State. Jews cannot be merchants, Tax Collectors, or agents in the buying and selling of the produce and goods of Christians, nor their Procurators, Computers or Lawyers in matrimonial matters, nor Obstetricians; nor can they have association or partnership with Christians. No Christian can leave or bequeath anything in his last Will and testament to Jews or their congregations. Jews are prohibited from erecting new synogogues.
They are obliged to pay annually a tenth part of their goods and holdings. Against them Christians can testify, but the testimony of Jews against Christians in no case is of any value. All and every single Jew, of whatever sex and age, must everywhere wear the
distinct dress and known marks by which they can be evidently distinguished from Christians.They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses.[Pope Eugenius IV, A.D. 1442, Bull. Rom. Pont., V.67]
Pope Eugene IV > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Eugene_IV
Study the symptoms not the virus...
the benefits of having an openly Nazi Pope. and to think I now long for the days a Pope would only be italian.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Well, there are plenty of fascist Italians, too. Ask Berlusconi. Or Mussolini.
First the birth control, than the homosexual priests, and now the Jews. It's like the Church wants to be irrelevant.
For most thinking people it already is.
will beg to differ with you. His gay lover is a Jew from Israel. Are you trying to tell me only Catholic Priests are gay?
The superstitious deity I worship can whoop the superstitious deity you worship any day but the flying spaghetti monster can kick all their asses!
taste's a lot better and goes down smoother with a little wine.
Some stuff you can't make up!
structure of the 19th Century Roman church and applied it, tout suite, to the State to create Fascism...
I keep getting a 404 error when trying to play or download the video. Is it just me? Not sure who the patron saint of streaming is or I'd pray to him, her, or them.
[No. It's not you. Sorry. I let the vid people know. Thank you for saying-Sitemonitor]
Two years ago, it was Pope Vindictive (aka Ratfinker), who said at a meeting with jewish leaders, that it was "paganism" that led to the holocaust. And now people are wondering why he's associating with anti-semites. 9_9
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it." - Santayana
"Those who ignore the past are trying to repeat it." - unknown
Can't he just eat a wafer and do a little dance or something to make it all ok?
I like the freaky pedos in dresses. They're always good for a laugh.
...there would have been no Nazis.
...after all, the Nazis could not have existed without Catholic support.
religion... /eyeroll
My first job was at the age of 15, working at the Georgetown University library. It was 1969, the job was pure nepotism. To make work for some of us, we were sent into collection rooms in the basement of Old North, to organize them, re-arrange shit, etc. To put some perspective into how much what transpired meant to me, I still remember the name of my co-worker, a guy named Jim Blubaugh.
We stumbled across boxes of military photographs taken during the liberation of several different death camps. The photographs were from the collection of the late Edmund Walsh, the Jesuit founder of the Georgetown School of Foreign Service. He was an ardent anti-Communist, and a leader in American foreign policy.
This was the most profound moment of my young life to that point. The Army photographs showed mounds of thousands of unburied bodies and the evidence of how they were killed. Every photograph was notated by the military. They were the most horrifying images I'd ever seen, and the horrors I've seen since often pale by comparison. Box after box, each picture compelled me to view the next. They still haunt me.
The only truly good Catholic experience I have was the six Forms of school I spent in the care of Benedictines. Since then, it's been people like Ratzinger who've made being a Catholic poisonous. That he took the name Benedict iced that cake for me. Radical, reactionary, right-wing zealotry never moves too far from the surface of society. To allow this poison to contaminate Roman Catholic/Jewish relations is insane.
That anyone can deny the Holocaust is equally insane.
Thank you for the comment. I myself, found it an interesting reflection.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
The nazi's learned much from the inquisition.
He states that "..the historical evidence is strongly hugely against six million jews having been deliberately gassed in gas chambers.."
I don't think anyone should have a problem with that statement. The problem I have is the minimization of the human life that was lost in the Nazi concentration camps.
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“Between 200,000 and 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps, but not one of them by gassing in a gas chamber,” Williamson said, according to a transcript of the program.
Which Nazi concentration camps? Not all Nazi concentration camps had gas chambers. Williamson avoids Auschwitz, which did. Auschwitz was not a Nazi concentration camp in Germany, but it was a Nazi concentration camp. It is well documented that Nazis gassed a multitude of Jews at Auschwitz.
Maybe 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps in Germany, but that is not the only place they perished.
I just watched some of Steven Speilberg's Shoah project video's.
In one, a Ukranian survivor talked about the 150,000 Jews that lived in one area. Only some 20 were left after the Nazis were finished.
This was repeated over and over again in area after area that the Nazis occuped.
The Jews have never claimed that 6 million were gassed. It is Williamson who is making that false claim. The method of murdering Jews did not start with the gas chamber. It became a more efficient method for the Nazis, considerining the number of Jews they intended to murder and eventually did.
The problem is not with the statement that 6 million were not gassed, the problem is severly distorting the number who were murdered, by referencing only those who were held in concentration camps in Germany, as if they were the only Jews who died and as if they died only as a result of camp conditions, not intentional murder.
The Shoah Project stories of the survivors are too rich with detail of Nazi atrocities at Auschwitz, to be the fanciful imagination of people with a number tattoed on their arm.
After swallowing the Creation Story, Noah's Ark, Joshua's Trumpet Solo, Virgin Birth, Raising the Dead, Arising from the Dead, Two Heavenly Ascension, and a whole calendar of miraculous saints, I suppose one's grasp upon reality must become rather tenuous.
It's bad enough the Church in was so anti-Semitic in past generations, but that it continues now makes it really difficult to support it. Jesus was a Jew, let's not forget.
SNinTN
I prefer to call myself a recovering catholic. To say I have lapsed would indicate a desire to someday return.
that the Nazi's singled out the Romany and the Jews for extermination. No other ethnic group or race was, during WWII. The Nazi's did not single out the Greek, or the Albanian or the African, unless they were Jewish, then, these Mizrahi Jews were sent to die in the camps of Poland.
Thank you for posting this topic.
Exactly what did you expect from the Hitler Youth Pope?
I find it insulting as a Catholic that Benedict would invite an anti-Semite and all around wingnut like Richard Williamson back into the fold.
It's funny that so many people don't understand why many Jews won't let go of the Holocaust. It's because Jews still need the fact of the Holocaust as a shield to defend themselves from malefactors like Williamson and Ratzinger. Only when the Holocaust has been forgotten or dismissed can it be repeated.
The Israels deserve no sympathy after 60 years of brutal occupation. Period.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Holocausted.
Please, this needs examining, the Jews have nothing to hide and much can be learned.
50 to 60 million souls died during the WWII - 24 million Russians were slaughtered in total. In the concentration camps, Poles lost 2 million, Russians lost 3 million and so on.
Yes something terrible happened to the Jews and it should never be forgotten, but unfortunately the Shoah, is no more then a marketing ploy for the Zionist to move forward their agenda.
The President of Iran had a meeting about that. Turns out people called it a "Holocaust Deniers conference". Which it obviously was not.
It's debatable whether the Jews themselves died in as great a number as thought aswell. Due to the name changes that occured when people emigrated to Israel taking more Jewish names, instead of the German and Polish names.
This is typical questioning, not some Holocaust Denying tripe.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Oh, I don't know - I think Israelis are doing their best to show that they too can be, as one Jewish woman who watched the bombing of Gaza from atop a nearby hill said, "a little bit Fascist."
Really - this Jewish woman said "Today, I am a little bit Fascist." regarding her belief that Palestinians should be ... what? ... exterminated?
It is religion, coupled with power, that is the evil - it doesn't really matter which religion.
They want death. That is exactly why we fought the Nazi's and their Ilk (Franco, Mousillini) and with that act we GAVE these Neo-Fascists the land and the "right" to exterminate the 'brown people' in the area who's land it once was.
Maybe that woman should be on the receiving end of some fascism to see if she really likes it.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Just goes to show that any belief predicated on the idea of human equality is hampered by Israeli and Arab bullshit posturing.
If there had been no crucifixion, there would be no Catholicism. Rather than blaming Jews, the Church should be paying them royalties.
They COULD have converted! Their problem!
The guys a hard core Nazi, did you expect something different from him?
People have doubts about the moon landing and doubts whether germs are real.
Scientific discourse has all but proved the "lack of historical evidence" of anyone named Jesus who preformed miracles around the Ares/Piecean Age (0AD) turnover.
So we have to put all Christians in jail for believing something that didn't happen? Because we would have to if we went and arrested someone for not believe the holy gospel of the Holocaust according to Saint Ripmeoff.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Genocide and Jews go hand in hand If they aren't doing the killing; they are being killed.
We don't hear any Canaanites complaining; Oh! That's right; there are none left to complain.
Donaldd
it was Jews who destroyed Carthage. why not. Jews also killed the Goddess, you know.
and then, when Jordan took it in the first war of survival, Jews were forbidden from worshipping there. It's an open city now. jews muslims and christians worship there. Do you realy think the Vatican, which kept silent while criminals were desecrating the Church of the Nativity, yet howled when the IDF surrounded it, will allow "deicides" to pray at the Western Wall?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
oh my god. so the man believes 300K jews were killed and not 6M. so what! who really knows anyway. i guess i don't understand how it is an extreme anti-jew position to believe that. so it is pro jew to say more of them were killed - that simply defies common sense.
would it be anti-black to deny slavery occurred? it might show that one doesn't know much about history, but it would hardly be racist.
is it anti-semitic to deny the nakba - the palestinian holocaust at the hands of the jews? or is it just a big lie so that fools around the world will lend their support to a racist state?
is it anti-christian to deny the deaths of 20 million christians at the hands of the jewish bolsheviks? nope - it's ignorance.
it's telling that there is only one of so many historical tragedies that cannot be disputed - the number of jewish deaths in world war 2. disputing this number will land you in prison in many countries throughout the world. the very fact that it is illegal proves it is a lie that must be covered up. read norman finkelstein's holocaust industry to understand why this myth must be maintained at all costs.
as to the comment about mel gibson and the catholic church who believe that the jews murdered christ. isn't that what's written in the bible? I can't think of anything more cruel than nailing an innocent man to a beam to die a slow agonizing death. I imagine that even Mel Gibson's portrayal is too benign to reflect the actual horror of that event.
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