Poplawski's neo-Nazi activism included posting Glenn Beck video, but media talk about dog pee
An astonishing thing seems to have happened to the case of Richard Poplawski and the three dead Pittsburgh policemen: It's been turned into a story about dog pee -- and not about the fact that Poplawski was fueled by a toxic mix of white-supremacist/conspiracy-theorist paranoia and mainstream-media fearmongering, including from the likes of Glenn Beck and Fox News.
Maybe the media are collectively embarrassed by the way this case demonstrates how they play an important role in whipping up the far-right crazies out there -- and they should be. Because not only did Richard Poplawski avidly participate in white-supremacist online forums and right-wing conspiracy-theory sites, he also avidly consumed mainstream conservative media, particularly Fox.
The classic instance of this: A few weeks ago, Poplawski posted a clip of Beck talking about FEMA concentration camps on the neo-Nazi Stormfront forum site. (You can see the clip from the show in question above.)
Eric Boehlert at Media Matters noticed yesterday that the New York Times completely ignored the white-supremacy aspect of the story, running an AP story that only briefly alluded to Poplawski's paranoiac fears and instead focused on the dog-pee-on-the-carpet angle. David Waldman at Daily Kos noted a similar trend.
MSNBC, which ran the same story, had this for a headline:
Meanwhile, Mark Pitcavage at the Anti-Defamation League published his findings Monday:
-- Poplawski believed that the federal government, the media, and the banking system are all largely or completely controlled by Jews. He thought African-Americans were "vile" and non-white races inferior to whites.
-- He also believed that a conspiracy led by "evil Zionists" and "greedy traitorous goyim" was "ramping up" a police state in the United States for malign purposes.
-- Web sites like the neo-Nazi Stormfront forums and the anti-government conspiracy Infowars site fueled his racist, anti-Semitic, and conspiratorial mindset.
... Poplawski bought into the SHTF/TEOTWAKI [S--t Hits The Fan/The End Of The World As We Know It] conspiracy theories hook, line and sinker, even posting a link to Stormfront of a YouTube video featuring talk show host Glenn Beck talking about FEMA camps with Congressman Ron Paul. When the city of Pittsburgh got a Homeland Security grant to add surveillance cameras to protect downtown bridges, Poplawski told Stormfronters that it was "ramping up the police state." He said, too, that he gave warnings to grocery store customers he encountered (but only if they were white) to stock up on canned goods and other long-lasting foods.
Well, at least Dennis Roddy of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette -- who was one of the first reporters on this story -- carried most of the details and more in his Monday story:
Accused cop-killer Richard Poplawski spent hours posting racist messages on an extremist right-wing Web site, decrying blacks and Latinos and warning of forthcoming economic collapse fueled by the "Zionist occupation" of America, an expert in political extremism has determined. Earlier, he had praised the "AK" rifle as his ideal weapon.
It was an AK-47 that police say Mr. Poplawski used to gun down three Pittsburgh police officers who arrived at his house Saturday morning in the midst of a domestic dispute.
An account kept on Stormfront, a gathering place for racial extremists and others from the far-right show Mr. Poplawski's increasing belief in a coming economic and political collapse in the days leading up to the time of the deadly standoff in which he is charged with killing three Pittsburgh police officers.
The ADL report also delves his love of Alex Jones' conspiracy theories. Roddy has more details on this today. Boehlert observes that this is the same Alex Jones who's been prominently featured on Fox News lately.
This is a classic example of how "the Transmission Belt", by which far-right ideas are borne into the mainstream of American political discourse, actually works -- "how stuff gets essentially a trial run in ... the far right, and the messages will get refined, and then they'll be picked up by these intermediary groups and individuals, and refined some more, and then there'll be a buzz that's created, and then that gets media attention in the mainstream press."
It's important to point out the relationship between the mainstream media and the far right in these situations, especially for unstable and violent actors like Poplawski: Typically, full-on subscribers to extremist beliefs view mainstream conservatives with distaste and distrust, since they believe them to be weak-kneed sellouts. They instead tend to trust the Joneses and the John Trochmanns and Lew Rockwells and Ron Pauls first.
So when the memes regarding "suppressed knowledge" that these extremists organize around suddenly appear in the mainstream media -- in places like Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs' and Sean Hannity's cable-network shows -- it has a real amplifying effect: Not only is it final and consummate confirmation of their beliefs in these conspiracy theories, but it induces an extreme apocalypticism, a fear that things must be even worse than they suspected.
That's why Poplawski posted that Beck video on FEMA camps: If even the mainstream media were reporting it, then you know it had to be coming.
Now, the dog-pee angle is in fact handy for one thing: It lets neo-Confederates like Robert Stacy McCain simply sneer at reportage pointing out the white-supremacy aspect of the story, in a futile effort to kick some sand to cover the scent.
But it's probably not what journalists interested in reporting the truth of this kind of tragic story should be writing about.
In Colorado Spring, which has a large right wing component, the only local paper, the Gazette, has completely ignored the story.
http://www.gazette.com/search/?q=Poplawski
you reference. Poplawski, if that was indeed his post, seems to be agreeing with the point made by others that Beck is backing off on the FEMA camp issue, hence being a wimp. I could be wrong, but that seems to be the context. Just because you link to something does not mean you agree with it. I tend to think Poplawski would agree with the character Truth_Critic linked to who told Alex Jones that Beck was part of thNew World Order. He was a seriously messed up character.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
has his share of completely batshit crazy followers as well. Read some things written about him. Yikes.
so I have gotten to witness him and his followers in the flesh.
There is not enough tinfoil in our local Walmarts to keep the instructions from reaching those folks.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Ok, that one brought tears to my eyes.
I read some crazy shit this past weekend about him. He's espousing this conpsiracy of how the government is creating mass graves.
Can you say "wacko? Complete and utter wacko????"
Arlington cemetary?
can talk like this, and on the same hand consistently provide ZERO proof that it might be even partially true?
The whole FEMA camps thing that Beck was parroting for the last few months (before someone from FOX got into his ear about how ridiculous he was making them look) was the perfect example. 'Well, I can't PROVE that I'm wrong, so I'm just going to assume that I'm right by default!'
Yeah, isn't that easy? I don't have to provide step one towards supporting or backing up ANYTHING I believe in when it comes time to arguing my case with anybody!
Gee, this is fun. Let's try it with global warming! Oh, and tax policy!
It's such lazy intellectualism, no wonder the right-wing aligns much more perfectly with these clowns.
beck was givin the spotlight to someone who was saying that there are concentration camps and gas chambers in the US.
so much for the debunking theory.
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would be concerned with a new nazi movement.
welcome to new america: propaganda central.
hiding the tyruth is sometimes as bad as telling a lie.
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I didn't watch all of BillO's show last night, but I don't think he covered this Poplawski story. I was kind of surprised at that because I thought BillO would be out there defending his new best buddy Glenn Beck against those who are saying Beck helps to brew this craziness.
Maybe even the Clown realizes how Beck's antics can stir up these insane killers....but, then, again, maybe BillO will have a story tonight wherein he actually will defend Beck.
I wonder if David Neiwert knows about all the retractions that have been made for associating ********, ************ or Alex Jones with Poplawski? (He had posted disenting views on one of those sites) They are absolutely not racist or anti-semitic in any way. Its funny how I can always tell which posts at C&L that are from David Neiwert. Is being anti-government bad? Does government love us and is always good? Do any conspiracies exist ever in this world? Is there ever a gun control law that infringes the second ammendment? Is not wishing your second ammendment rights to be infringed bad? We he have ******** and ************ banned? Why is it such an important story what Poplawski's views were? Some crazy person kills some cops, its because he was crazy and a murderer, so if he has abhorent views, why does David Neiwert like to publicise them so much?
P.S. Why are website mentioned in this story censored from the comments?
I cannot say that Alex Jones is racist or anti-semetic, but he is batshit crazy. Have you ever listened to the guy?
So what conspiracy theories do you believe in?
Of course those on the right (or left for that matter) in the MSM will not dig too deeply into this tragic story. It would be like holding up a mirror. It would be too painful. It might even cut into profits.
Who would've have ever thought that "entertainment" could contribute to something so terribly wrong?
I agree.
The bad elements will keep on their antics and the rest of the MSM will use the results (like Pittsburgh) to generate more news stories. A vicious circle.
that people like Poplawski believe that the government is untrustworthy? As well as blaming the media for not doing their jobs (reporting the truth), cant we put some responsibility on the government for not being trustworthy?
With the destruction of the constitution, the increasing prison industrial complex, gitmo, "Obama DOJ Embraces BushCo FISA", isn't the "ramping up" of a police state possible.
When I.C.E. has prisons all over the country, are FEMA death camps that hard to believe?
Sometimes he exagerates, but there is much truth to everything he says. Please link me to a story from one of his websites that is untrue or incorrect or batshit crazy.
are going off.
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In "The Obama Deception" (an Alex Jones movie), Webster Tarpley says that global warming is not man made. It is caused by the solar activity and that all of the other planets are rising in temperature as well.
I'll have to ask him about the weather. I often forget to inquire.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I had to ask. is his name Boil?
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his cyst. But she is from a second marriage his dad had.
As a Catholic my branch of the family (his mother's die) doesn't recognize them as family.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Wow.
The plot of the Family Guy last night was that Chris had a talking zit, named Doug, telling him what to do.
Small world.
was anyone wielding a lance?
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None of his theories have been proven true either. Nice try.
Ad an alert to all readers that the link I am including below is the discussion on Stormfront of the Glenn Beck-Ron Paul interview about FEMA camps. It is about five pages and Poplawski, posting as "Braced for Fate" does not appear to join until the third or fouth page. His posted link to Beck is one of several Beck interviews in the thread.
The original link that starts the thread appears to be from Alex Jones's organization.
I find Beck and other right wing commentators offensive and dangerous, but I think Poplawksi was far beyond needing anyone to fuel his demented tank. I get the impression many of the commenters on this site find Beck to be a MSM plant for Zionism and that Poplawski may agree with them.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Um, Ricky, we don't do Stormfront links here.
And you obviously didn't read the post:
psychoanalyzed by real psychologists and psychiatrists?
Amidst all the propaganda, no, I don't think anyone professional ever saw this poor, tormented, man.
that's why I started with the alert. It's pretty offensive to wade through.
I did read the whole post. I had a paragraph offering the theory that Poplawski might have just as easily been set off by finding out his suspicions of Beck were true as he was by his mother calling in the armed police over his dog. I decided to delete it because some might infer I was trying to blame you.
My point is that I find it too simplistic to blame this on the Becks of the broadcast world. It is like blaming Marilyn Manson for Columbine.
Your work speaks to the complexity of the issue, but I fear others are boilng your complex points down to a fairly ludicrous "Beck and Bachmann are cop killers" theme as was expressed in a comment on an earlier thread.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Reminds me of when Judas Priest had to go to court!...it was said if you played the albums backward...you would end up committing suicide!
Rob Halford singing for the judge!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgKFJisceOw
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blaming music and musicians for people's actions is similar. And cartoon violence makes kids violent. Uh huh. The government says it does.
Yeah, but in country music it's different. Know what happens if you play a country song backward?
You get your house back, you get your wife back, you get your dog back.........
Can we blame the democrats for creating Helter Skelter Manson and his hippie liberal followers? I heard Bin Laden once visited the same city that Bill Clinton did. That proves to me that 9/11 is Clinton's fault.
Which Democrats, for that matter?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
The message that supposedly pushed Manson to kill was a "kill the pigs" anti government message. The government at the time was Republican. Read the book - Manson and his group hated the Republicans. One of his followers even tried to kill Ford. I knew after hitting submit I would lose anyone without a brain. My point is that blaming someone else for your actions is silly. Assuming that Beck was somehow able to secretly make this guy shoot the cops is as flat out moronic as me blaming your ignorance on liberalism.
Nothing about consequences of words.
Read this...the TN shooter's manifesto.
I know, nothing there. Move along.
Except that words do have consequences.
If I tell you to shoot your neighbor and you do it, it is my fault? Wow, so when your friends all jump off a bridge, you actually do also.
your kids, we will execute you and try God as an accomplice subject to lethal injection as well.
Presuming God was black and driving the car, of course. But that's just Texas.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
It's called conspiracy.
And conspiracy isn't even what David is talking about, because Beck didn't say, Hey. Richard Poplawski, shoot cops when they come to your house."
But what Beck has been doing is creating an atmosphere that justifies this type of behavior. It's a matter of ethics.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Wow. So Glenn Beck is simply guilty of bad ethics? So you are taking a stand against people practicing bad ethics? Well, now I understand.
One question though, how do you decide which ethics are bad and which are ok? When Bill Clinton had sex with Monica was he practicing good ethics? When Bush did coke, that was bad right? But what about when Obama smoked pot? When Hillary lied about her trip to the middle east that was good or bad? I am confused. Please help me understand.
Because there's no difference between personal and public lapses in ethics. Uh-huh.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
somebody who doesn't need a party because he has all the fun he needs to talking to himself.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
If a public person has a private ethical violation, it is different than lets say a public person having a public ethical violation.
So when a democrat cab member doesnt pay taxes is that public or private? When a current VP plagerizes a speech, is that a private ethical violation?
Look, I dont care if you are a hypocrite - you actually are good at it. Just dont pretend that what Glen Beck says is any worse than any of the other clowns (Republican or Democrat) and their ethical lapses.
Taxes are a matter of public record. Beck is, of course, using a federally regulated medium. Public.
A blowjob in private, while unethical, is not a matter of public ethics. Now if Clinton had come out and made a public address condoning adultery, we'd be talking about the same type of lapse. But he didn't.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
came out and lied about having sex with Monica. But he didnt --- oh wait, he did. Plus he actually sat on 60 minutes with Hillary and lied about Flowers too. Lets not forget John Edwards and his lies to the public about his ethical behavior. This is hardly about ethics and sticking to your argument that it is ethics only makes you a bigger hypocrite.
Beck had been spouting this bullshit privately and someone made it public after hacking his e-mail.
But that isn't what happened. Beck stepped into the spotlight and introduced this shit all on his own.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Fact - Beck has repeatedly stated his thoughts on Obama and his policies. Fact - A guy who is a complete nut job posts a story between Ron Paul and Beck. Fact - He also posts a series of white power crap. Fact? The posting of the Beck story proves that Beck made the shooter kill the cops. Ethics has nothing to do with your lame attempt of an argument.
You are against Beck because he said what he said on purpose. You can accept Edwards and Clinton because they did what they did in private and it was none of our business but since Beck wanted the spot light, he should pay the price and accept responsibility.
Silly me, here I thought the shooter was the warped idiot. I have news for you genius. What Beck said wasnt actually unethical. Honestly, he didnt lie, bend the truth or defame someone. He didnt even start a riot or cause any looting. His only crime was giving an opinion you disagreed with. He thinks that Obama is going to take away his guns. What a silly statement. Seems kind of silly to actually think that Obama would ever do that but then again, to me, it seems even sillier to actually blame Beck for the shootings.
I appreciate the fact that you dont agree with Beck but next time you want to try and argue, bring some ammunition. And, if you are going to give Clinton and Edwards passes for their truly unethical actions, be honest about it. You truly dont care if someone is ethical, you just dont like Glenn Beck. Have a fabulous day.
...Charlie told them to hate. Democrats, too. Do you think that Sharon Tate was a Republican? Do you think Charlie was a big Hubert Humphrey fan?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
Believe it or not but right after the Tates were killed people actually were blaming the war protesting anti government liberal democrats. Really silly. Sounds familiar though.
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is that democrats weren't on television and radio day after day talking about how the big black boogie man was coming to take their guns.
You're an idiot.
Nice try pal but you might be a wee bit too literal. It is called an analogy. Let me try to dumb this down for you. When the murders happened, newspapers reported actually reported stories about people blaming the government hating hippies for the murders. It seems their anti government speech had fueled rage against the establishment. If you could read, you could learn that in 1969, Nixon was president. He was a republican and was hated by many. Sadly, back in 1969 they didnt have blogs where mental midgets like you could show off. What a shame.
absolutely nothing but your love for Charlie Manson:)
Maybe this is why Beck decided to do the piece yesterday about the false FEMA camps. Trying to cover his ass when he found out this guy had posted some of his earlier show about the camps. CYOA, perhaps.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
beck was giving the floor to another conspiracy theorist.
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And I also think Beck caused 9/11!
Right wing scum like him are directly responsible for our disastrous foreign policies of the last 30 yrs at least.
Lindon Johnson was a DEM and lied us to VIETNAN?
Did you forget that OBAMA is scalating in Afganistan and telling the world IRAN is a threat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgfPHNAamFU&fe...
So you guys at C&L believe in Good vs evil
Dems are good AND GOPS are evil
Folks:
Warmongering has no party
Corruption Has no party
THE TRUTH HAS NO PARTY EVEN WHEN IT HURTS
And i don't care if they delete my comment.. again
to the last 30 years of policy.
Bombing Servia's Capital bridges and TV-Radiostations.
Was It a good war because was a DEMS war?
Sometimes i wonder wether those presidents lie to us or their own CIA - FBI lie to them?
Perhaps Both?
I prefer Dems in General but it does NOT mean they are Saints at all!
Viet Nan was lied to us or were we lied to them? What?
Right-wing nutjobs enabled the 'financial industry' to run amok, in fact enabled the financial meltdown now in progress. Please, it is not just 'foreign policy' it is the $$$$policy, too.
but finally found Beck on Youtube!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn6cDaHLaMo&fe...
are crazy people. Matters not what sets them off or who. If it wasn'nt Beck or Alex Jones, it would be something or someone else. The man was obviously mentally ill.
..how was he able to buy a gun? You'd think the "well-regulated" militia he belonged to would have weeded him out.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
shoots anyone? What sane person kills another? Those who are forced to by their government (military) never return home the same.
...our own govt doesnt even "weed out" our enlisted army!!!!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
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the shooter was dishonorably discharged from the Marine Corps.
By the way, if you read the PittsburghPost-Gazette article, they interviewed Alex Jones and he blames the Marine Corps for what happened. Imagine that?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Recruiters take a warm body. No checks on sanity. If discharged for unstability, NO treatment. Therapy is the enemy, don't ya know.
According to the U.S. Code the sedentary militia is all males from 17-45, unless your handicapped or a member of the military/national guard.
Well, as we've already observed, tossing it off to mental illness -- especially when there's no evidence he ever was being treated for such an illness -- is a complete copout.
The case I often use to illustrate this clearly is the case of David Lewis Rice:
This is why I talk about culpability in cases like these. No, there's not direct enough culpability in these cases to directly blame them for them. But there is an ethical and moral culpability involved, and we fellow citizens can make our own judgments about those.
but my understanding for the mentally ill, is they are attracted to those that are saying/doing what they agree with. They would still have those beliefs, even if that one person went away. Heck, sane people as a rule do too. This blog is one just site. If people that post here regularly didn't think they had something in common or shared beliefs, they wouldn't be here. Maybe I'm off base, but I think the guy was just nuts, or just snapped, and it's far too easy to blame a tv talking head for it. Especially with the economy the way it is.
All he needed was that one final straw. I think his mother calling the cops was the one that finally pushed him over the edge. In his mind, it was probably the police who were going to make him leave his home and not his mother evicting him.
Of course that's not to say he didn't listen and believe all the stories he heard from right wingers but he must have had those ideas anyway as he listened to their shows.
...as I've read (one was obtained by an ex-girfriend), it was illegal for him to have any guns. So when his mom called the cops, Poplawski knew that he was going to have his guns taken away. Or at least he didn't want to risk that the cops would look for guns, or mom would mention them.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
and responding to his expectations of losing his weapons if he surrendered them freely. so his actions were of his own choosing.
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Who said you are only mentally unstable if you get treatment???
If one is NUTS, lets say like FOOLKING, they are not 'open' to thinking about getting help. They are RIGHT, the rest of the world is crazy.
Not necessarily, most restraining orders simply limit contact, a judge can add a provision for no weapons though.
...who's from PA said that if there's a PFA issued, the person whom it restrains can't have any guns. In PA.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
judge what happened in Pittsburgh that cost three poublic servants their lives. It's horrible and hard.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I, too, am tired of the excuses.
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Excuse? What ConcernedCanuck is saying is neither an excuse or a cop-out as Neiwert put it. It is just differing opinion on what is driving this violence.
If CC is right, then by focusing only on the garbage certain right-wing pundits spew, we are treating the symptom of this problem, not the cause. And even if there was no right-wing hate talk, it could be something else altogether that sets someone like this off and we have 3 more dead police.
how can anyone be right when the operative word is "IF"? There have been several accounts from others in this very blog of the gradual, pernicious devolution of people close to them into hateful hair-trigger personalities when available guns and extensive periods of listening to and involving themselves in 'hate speech' are combined. As someone whose looked into the eyes of one of those persons in my own life, I concur with those who have given those accounts.
You say "IF CC IS RIGHT"!
I say get some real facts, follow some investigative accounts and stop presupposing that somone is simply 'crazy' because you cannot fathom how they became what they obviously are.
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You keep talking. I learn so much from your posts. I think you do fantastic work!
I think that one would have to be insane BEFORE one joins a "Duck Club".
Sadly, I first read this story and thought I was reading an Onion rip off. The sudden change in wind direction had as much to do with the shootings as Glen Beck.
have a certain "love" for Glen Beck don't you?
Your jealousy is obvious.
Videos of Glenn Beck, Beck, Beck, Bachmann, Hannity...
Ah, it's a full life.
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the man was crazy. He was hateful and it fueled his actions. He does not get off with the 'crazy' excuse. Regardless of what triggered his rage and rampage, he was hateful and fearful. Hate + fear do not equal crazy. You can't even call it irrational. He thought his actions through enough to put on a bulletproof vest and wield an AK-47.
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people wear bulletproof vests and wield AK-47s?
how can you assume that the combination proves insanity. Oh, yeah! I forgot you're an expert through your 'understanding'. my bad.
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sane people walking around carrying AK-47s and wearing bulletproof vests? Where do you live, Iraq? It brings about the entire legal definitions of sane or insane. There is no such thing as a sane murderer. Period. That is just legal BS.
analogy. "Where do you live, Iraq"
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I'm sorry I left out the part where we all agree with you. Can I get another 'My bad'?
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the more right wing media commentators deny and downplay their involvement in this, the sillier they're going to look to pretty much everyone. both the left, and the right.
I have a lot of friends I consider left, right, and moderates / centrists. they all heard about this, and they all agree that Bill O and Hannity and Limbaugh and Beck really need to think about toning down their rhetoric.
the more these guys deny the fact that they're urging on the crazies to attack common citizens, the more common citizens are going to stray away from these guys. pretty soon, Murdoch and Aires are going to have to recognize that its eventually going to hit them in the pocketbook.
Proof that the wackos are taking him seriously.
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My feeling is that people like beck are feeding into an already held conception. This guy already had some misconceptions about police, Jewish people and other things. Then when a guy on tv, who sadly has a big audience, says things that support that misconception, it doesn't help.
Did Beck's words alone cause him to do what he did, not entirely, but they sure didn't help to correct his preconceived opinions.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
there is certainly AM radio to go with alex jones and myspace and the other places the killer frequented. he fed his own fears and his hatreds from more than one trough.
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[Knock it off with the flaming-by-infantilizing-nickname crap. If you hadn't noticed it, I axed all of that flaming you were part of earlier on this thread. If I see any more of this you'll be on the outside looking in. Site Monitor]
I can not believe all this, it is like a "twilight zone" or "xfiles" episode!
Look this was crazy, but it is not the guns that did this, or even the ammo. This is a product of a crazy AMERICA we live in. Look this guy was a real looser and the Marine Corp emphasized that too. Was there medical or mental help for this guy when he was kicked out, was there attempt to rehabilitate him to society after been brainwashed to kill foreigners in the Marines, YES they do indoctrinate you to kill and even show you how too! I mean this guy was stigmatized by the marines for the rest of his life, he was never going to escape that scarlet letter of the Dishonorable discharge. The loss of his job re-enforced it and so did some other factors too. He probably hated cops too. He probably felt disenfranchised with America as well and most likely was such a loser, anything to promote his status he reached for, including killing cops, who are highly trained fighters. Now was this guy on anti-depressants? Prescribed anti-violent medication to control anger? Was he under the influence of drugs or alcohol? Was he suffering from months of intense Marine Corp Brainwashing and prescribed mind control drugs? Most of these mass shooters have been undeniably found to have been under the influence of medically prescribed anti-depressants. The Columbine kids where under the care of medicine and so where over 70% of the other mass shooters here in America and around the world. This is all well proven in many documents suppressed by the right wing media. IDARE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!!! I assume most of us are under the propaganda of the right wing media too. We believe the stinking lies of our politicians and presidents who can take us to war anytime they want for any reason and will even lie about those reasons to suit our beliefs or actually lies we believe from the mass media, owned by a few right wing groups and liars.
I hope you guys see that if the victims had been armed or even one out of two people had been armed in any of these shooting cases that the likely hood of the rampage going further than a few shoots would be unlikely, just like those passengers who took on the hijackers on 911, normally calm and peaceful citizens armed with pistols would have prevented these tragic and horrible mass violence as if they were Jack Bauer himself.
It's for that special Franco-flavour of Oui-Oui.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
was a poodle, but it sure adds to the gravitas your always add gravitas to.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
A Labradoodle (which is a Poodle/Lab cross).
Did you know that many, many dog breeds go back to the Poodle (in their genes)? Poodles are hunting dogs. While people make them look all froo-froo, the breed has a purpose.
Hit the AKC website. (I used to breed and show Irish setters, which also go back to the Poodle.)
(and unlike Beck I will accept my part of the blame) then I am going over to Balloon Juice and look at pictures of over weight pets.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Pics of overweight pets? Where? Where?
Oooh...shiny objects!! ;-)
ring a bell. I'd link but my only attempt to do so today ran afoul of petty concerns like Neo Nazi phobia.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Named for former Steelers' offensive tackle (and current analyst on their radio broadcasts) Tunch Ilkin.
Here's a link to the site, Ms. Joanne.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I always thought the kitty was named for the Stealers getaway driver. I stand corrected.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I've read Cole...but I was looking for fat pooches (aka shiny objects!) :-)
He just happens to be a feline fancier.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
merlin olsen's lover?
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I have a Yorkie (a rescue dog that I adopted two months ago) He swears there is no poodle blood in him. Just recently my husband and I were talking about how rarely we see Irish setters any more.
Tonight Beck is back to his road to communism theme again.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
beerbone famine.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
this is from yesterday's Hardball
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/6/717240...
!!!!!!!!!!!!
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it when Shuster gave that tool a total eyeball roll. I was watching last night and laughed my ass off.
Glenn Beck is as responsible for this as the Beetles and their song revolution are as responsible for the wars in Uganda and Mozambique. Or Glenn beck is as responsible for this shooting as video games and horror movies are for murder and rape in America. Or Movie stars drug use like Heath Ledgers can be for blame of the drug use amongst teenagers.
Look I am going to step way out on the ledge here and maybe I'll get pushed way off but, when has a cops life been more important than mine or yours. Only in NAZI Germany as I recall or other Police States! A Police Officer is supposed top like a Fireman sacrifice their lives for the well being of the citizens, right! Yet all we here is how awful that these three police officers were killed in the line of duty (their families will receive benefits and union and city money, their kids will even get free tuition at college) All aWhile the 13 immigrants who were killed will get nothing from the state and it is proven the cops were fearful to go in to rescue those immigrants as the departments protocol prevented them too. I am sorry if you think I am cop bashing, I am not. But in the light of the two shootings I feel more sorrowful for the unarmed immigrants than I do for the body armored and well armed cops. I feel deeply sorry for the police officers but I feel even more sorry for the immigrants and their families. I hope you can see the difference. Immigrants going to take their citizenship classes aren't expected to give their lives but cop are in the line of duty.
Because they put their lives on the line every day. Yes, they get paid, but their job could result in the loss of their life every single day they work. They get shot just pulling people over these days.
And there should be more severe ramifications if a cop is killed because there needs to be some kind of ramification in place to help protect people who put their lives on the line daily.
Now, don't think I am gung ho in the police's favor. There are many bad cops (too damned many), but you cannot take that from the good people who serve to keep the rest of us safe from people who might break into our houses, etc.
sadness and alarm.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdLU2hzvBiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkiyBVytRQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5k7CmAENHo&fe...
when I feel stange urges in a tent on a mountain slope I often blame Heath Ledger.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
From Media Matters today:
no connection!
whattacrocKKKoschitt! certainly not news must miss beck something awful.
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Beck had a young lady as one of his guests tonight. She was seven when her parents moved from Russia. Her contribution to the conversation was that Russians make stinky cars and she never saw a banana until she came to the US. Heavy stuff!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
focusing on things which are true.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
do you expect that to last?
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Thanks for keeping up the heat on this, C&L. You know, the incident in Knoxville didn't get nearly the public outrage that it should have.
Maybe because these are cops, this will have some legs. I would love to see Obama comment on this as an example of the consequences of hate-media.
Rush couldn't handled the truth from a republican caller
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/07/repu...
Why don't you guys blame this person.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30093231/
911 worker didn't tell Pittsburgh police of guns
Operator on administrative leave; memorial service for officers Thursday
Three police officers killed while answering a call about a woman fighting with her son didn't know the man had weapons, but a 911 operator did. She just didn't tell anyone.
The operator, who was hired in November, should have asked for more information and didn't relay even the basic information she had to police dispatchers, the official in charge of county dispatchers said. She is now on paid administrative leave and is receiving counseling because supervisors are concerned about her well-being.
The three officers killed Saturday morning will lie in state at the City-County Building on Wednesday, and all three will be honored at a memorial service Thursday. Richard Poplawski, 22, is jailed on a suicide watch without bond on criminal homicide, attempted homicide and other charges.
Why not blame the person who fire him, why not blame the bartender who served him alcohol the night before when he got only 3 hours of sleep. Why not blame the marine corp the trained him and kicked him out.
NO you blame the sick SOB that got fired and his mom was kicking him out of the house with his two unpotty trained pit bulls, and who killed the three cops. He is the only one that is guilty. He did not go off because he thought Obama was going to take his guns, he went off because his mom was kicking his sick unemployed ass out of the house. Then he started waving guns.
we blame people like you.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
operator a rightwing nut job? If not, you then have your answer.
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is there anybody out there
Someone may have posted this in the 150+ comments, but just to clarify, the New York Times today did run an article about Poplawski's white supremacist connection (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/us/07pittsb...).
Other than that, I find this post to be spot on.
smiles!
Rothbard > Rothschild
This post clearly proves once and for all that Ron Paul is a 100% racist hate-monger, bent on inciting violence in America.. yeah. Guilt by association. That'll do it..
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you came to that conclusion watching that video
Thanks in advance
i just skimmed the article, and notice the important factoids highlighted in bold. ..even posting a link to Stormfront of a YouTube video featuring talk show host Glenn Beck talking about FEMA camps with Congressman Ron Paul.
Clearly Ron Paul and Glenn Beck are responsible for the shooter's actions.. Any conclusion otherwise must be a right wing talking point.
You're welcome
Rothbard > Rothschild
Dog pees on Man = Not a story
Man pees on Dog = Story
and we're so free and all. How can the dog pee not be true?
On becoming a poster child for the neo-nazis.
is Hannity PISSED!
Quick question: Where were all the liberals calling Micheal Moore a conspiracy theory nutjob when he insinuated Bush blew up the World Trade Center in Farenheight 911?
Um. He didn't insinuate that. The insinuation of Fahrenheit 911 was not that Bush was part of a conspiracy, but that he was incompetent. Guess what? He was right.
So maybe that's why there weren't of us any "there."
You didn't actually watch the movie, did you? 'no liar' indeed.
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