We already pointed out this audio recording of the 911 call placed by the lone survivor of that botched home-invasion robbery carried out by Shawna Forde and her gang of Minutemen. But further listening reveals a number of details about the crime.
It begins simply:
"Somebody just came in and shot my daughter and my husband."
The dispatcher begins asking questions and obviously dispatches deputies to respond. As she's asking about the killers, the victim cries out:
"They're coming back in! They're coming back in!"
An exchange of gunfire ensues. When the woman comes back on the line, she explains:
"They told us that somebody had, um, escaped jail or something and they wanted to come in and look at my house or something. And they just shot my husband. And they shot my daughter and they shot me."
"... Oh my God, I can't believe they killed my family."
She explains that the killers walked up cold-bloodedly to her daughter, 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, as she cowered and cried, and shot her two or three times anyway.
Later in the call she tells the dispatcher that the shooting began when her husband became suspicious of the invaders and asked them about their guns.
We also learn that the shooters were two men -- both tall, one white with a painted face, the other Latino -- and a "shorter fat woman."
That very much describes the gang that was arrested this week.
Scott North and Jackson Holz have more details on the tape.
Vivir Latino points out that there's been a disturbing theme in some of the coverage -- suggesting that perhaps the family somehow had it coming:
Something that tends to happen when the media covers these types of horrors, is double victimization. In an effort to answer the question why, subtleties, like how immigration has been racialized and how Latinos, painted as immigrants, are criminalized and dehumanized, get swept under the rug.
It certainly does raise the question: Why are the media paying so little attention to this story? Are they still wedded to their favorite narrative, that the Minutemen are just some big "neighborhood watch"?
As we said, that's some neighborhood watch.
I guess they're too busy covering that all-important David Letterman protest.
They were illegal, brown drug dealers...not real Americans.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
WHY is this story not ON EVERY goddamn network?
perhaps you might want to check out your opinion before you spew it all over the place...the little girl and her father were indeed brown...but they were born in the USA so they were real Americans...and perhaps it was lost on you that they didn´t find drugs or money at the house...so that pretty much ruins the drug dealer theory.
It was sarcasm - he/she agrees with you
I'm sure Michelle Malkin has a perfectly reasonable explanation for all of this.
assholes like malkin, billo, limpballs and hannity
are the reason this country has become so unsafe to
live in. it apprears it's safer to live in somalia than here.
the real interest is Letterman and Caribou Barbie.
I'm not a big capital punishment advocate. I think it is used far too often, when it should only be reserved for extreme cases, but this kind of inhuman act is worthy of the death penalty, no question:
"the killers walked up cold-bloodedly to her daughter, 9-year-old Brisenia Flores, as she cowered and cried, and shot her two or three times anyway."
Because these "Minutemen" are not just killing people, they are killing a little girl and what our country stands for. I might have to re-think my position on capital punishment here.
What a beautiful little girl! How could these people have the gall to shoot her dead!? It's appalling!
Yes, I am usually against the dealth penalty except for some instances such as fatal drunk driving and killing of children in which case these scumbags don't even deserve a fair trial.
You can't do that - You can't be against capital punishment merely until you're really upset. This country is full of murders, it's horrible, nauseating, disgusting... absolutely, but you had a good reason to be against capital punishment right? Hopefully you had numerous reasons. Hopefully we know that revenge is not a proper factor in deciding if the state should kill someone. Hopefully we realize that every time the state kills someone it merely legitimizes killing as a means to correct a problem and thus keeps the cycle going. Hopefully we realize taking away their rights forever is the only way they may actually end up doing good in their life instead of just ending it after they did horrible things (some people can become repentant and teach others why it's wrong).
I hope your beliefs aren't so fragile that when you get disturbed they break apart.
It's like the people who said they believed in God until something really bad happened to them... did they think that everything bad that happened in the world only happened to people who didn't believe in god before?
Really well said.
I'd settle for locking them up in lifetime solitary confinement, never to see another human face.
As I stated before. I am not against capital punishment completely. I just feel that it's overused.
I think it's justified in circumstances where a heinous crime was committed that indicates violent disorders, not because of vengeance, but because people with severe psychotic issues will never be fit to rejoin society. Someone who would kill a child without reason and without remorse will probably never be fit to live among general society again.
Will Fox give this story as much play as the Sarah Palin joke?
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I guess the killing of an American girl by a conservative domestic terrorist isn't near as outrageous as a late night joke involving a Palin girl.
Or course if Letterman went easy on Bush the way Leno did or the joke would be a non story all together on Fox. Afterall, Leno made the same joke involving the Palin daughter about keeping John Edwards away from her but Leno went easy on Shrub. One of the reasons I loved Letterman and never watched Leno....that and Leno is not funny.
... until these thugs attack someone who is not afraid to fire back, and when one of them minutemen dies in the exchange.... we will see it plaster 24/7 how "roving bands of armed illegal liberal gay Muslim extremists are killing patriotic Americans." In fact I can't wait for O'reilly and Beck to run with that meme on a daily basis for weeks, telling us how poor decent conservatives are being targeted by those crazy dangerous liberals... or some such sh*t.
Heck, the day one liberal fires back... you will see the NRA en masse crying to high heaves for "tougher" gun laws to restrict access to "dangerous liberal elements of this society."
Mark my words...
Until that time liberal grandmothers, peace activists and Code Pink will be on domestic terrorist watch list while the real domestic terrorists continue to kill innocent American men, woman and children.
Are you folks really this stupid, or do you just like to write ridiculous lies and exaggerations in order to spread your hate and intolerance further?
This gang of criminals has nothing to do with mainstream conservative thought or ideals. I am aghast that anyone would even suggest it.
No decent conservative (which are the vast majority of us) would ever condone any kind of criminal behavior like this - and home invansion, killing children is somehow a "right wing" value?
Granted, we definitely see some issues differently, but I would guess that if we sat down over coffee or a beer we would probably have more in common than in disagreement.
Please don't use stereotypes to further your agenda - it just makes you look and sound stupid.
If you actually look at the topic of the thread, it's not necessarily about Conservatism, or the more recent off-shoot (so to speak), Neo-Conservatism, but these so called Minute Men.
The only parallel between these groups that was drawn by yourself in your comment equating them.
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Besides you saying the vast majority of us are conservative (which is absurd), your points are fairly accurate.
I suggest you get your party in order Paul F.
With the likes of Hannity, O'Rielly,Beck, Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, Cavuto, and some of the lesser intelligent politicians from your party like Candor, Palin and the like doing all the talking for your party. You should get your own party in order. Because they are out of order right now.
This is all self inflicted Paul.
You have no one to blame but yourself and your party.
Sure, I believe that there are alot of decent conservatives.
But you're not being represented properly.
That will continue until you fix your party.
As for this particular topic. The Minutemen are not Democrats Paul.
Fix your party. The radical members of your party are killing people.
Oh, and Paul, there is no agenda like you are referring too.
Really Paul, you need to stop watching all those right wingers.
They make you look stupid and ill informed.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I wish you could speak that entire post, word for word, on prime time national television.
Feel free to use it on the toughestjob blogspot.
Mahalo.
Every once and awhile I get lucky.:)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
"Conservatives, however, uniformly reject this assertion, arguing that their movement is not home to a bunch of wild-eyed lunatics; they say it's the home of tax-paying, churchgoing, job-holding, productive members of society."
-David Neiwert... Chap.4 Pg.82
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The Eliminationists:
"Though the Patriot movement is fairly multifaceted, most Americans view it through media images that focus on a single facet; the often-pathetic collection of bunglers and fantasists known as the militia movement.
Moreover, they've been told that the militia movement is dead. And, in its 1990s form , it is, more or less. But it lives on in a dozen or more offshoots, many of them widely portrayed as mainstream organizations--the most notable being the anti-immigrant Minuteman movement, which provides a case study of how proto-fascism, through mainstreaming, becomes para-fascism."
-David Neiwert... Chap.7 p.133
Amended: Nice of you to stop by... Stay awhile :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Of course, had the killers been brown and the victims white, we'd hear all kinds of reports on it - you know, "a terrorist act!"
5 minutes into the call, gunshots in the background, and the cops were still on the way. You wouldn't see that kind of police response if the neighborhood had been in a white Middle or Upperclass neighborhood. Shit- the SWAT teams would have been all over the place.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
I live in a very nice neighborhood, and good luck if a cop shows up 30 minutes after a call, no matter what the issue. Again, why exaggerate when the story itself is horrific?
You folks that love to make stuff up just to seem more "liberal" really sound ridiculous.
In the Preston Hollow area of Dallas, the cash-strapped city is spending around one million dollars a year just to cruise around the bush's new house, whether anything is happening or not.
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That little girl and her father are dead Paul.
I know, it's hard to admit it to yourself.
But, these people are who they are. Take the blinders off.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
It's just pure evil...
pure evil, and in no way political - it's hate, it's evil, and 100% wrong.
Anti-illegal immigration "enforcement" is one of the founding platforms of present Conservative philosophy and the Minute Men have been an undeniable and active (with the Conservative's blessing) "defenders" of that ideology. Nice try dude, but you can't hide from this shit. You conservative assholes own this murder of a family.
You hittin the meth in that "very nice neighborhood" you live in?
Because you're brain ain't workin too well there sparky!
And why does this have to be one or the other? It's a politically motivated hate crime.
Oh wait...you neo-cons see EVERYTHING in black and white...no shades of gray in your little world, is there?
since Bristol is now over 18...I can safely say she has a nice rack. Or will that upset Sarah?...who also has a nice rack by the way.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Depends. Are you a late night talk show host who goes easy on Bush the way Leno did or one that justifiably raked Bush across the coals the way Letterman did? That's the real reason Fox and the reich wing is whipping this up and the real reason that Sarah Palin is once again showing her "family values" by allowing a child of hers to be used as a political pawn in the "outrage".
lol
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Why does the media cover "missing-white-girl" stories and not this?
The "liberal media" does whatever will maximize the eyeballs on its ads. That means not running with any story that stands to anger the loopy right-wingnuts.
So far we've had three recent murders by members of the far-right that have gotten almost no coverage by the "liberal media"... and why would they? They're gruesome stories with little eye candy to recommend them, and anyway, covering those stories would mean potentially getting attacked by Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly. Better to just steer clear of it all.
After all, the media execs know that liberals don't respond in mobs the way righties do, so they know they're safe as long as they only irritate the left. Just like Obama!
Everyone should bombard Lou with pictures of this little girl and force him to listen to the audio of this massacre over and over.
Has Dobbs said anything about this yet?
Time to step up Lou, own what you have said in the past, THEN RETRACT IT for God's sake.
Dobbs would probably say that the house belonged to the minutepeople.
...hiding behind Nationalism. To murder a defenseless, crying child is horrific. Lou Dobbs loves this band of murderers.
That IS Nationalism...
Ugly, ignorant, and hateful.
are gonna be full every night once they land in prison. That's the closest thing to solace I can take from this whole damned thing. That and the hope that America will finally see that these "people" are out there and this is what they are and what they stand for.
I thought Neighborhood Watch groups were supposed to sort of protect nine-year-old kids, not murder them.
Just wait for the apology demand for calling her "a shorter fat woman."
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This is 1920's KKK shit.
At least J Edgar Hoover kept these motherf****** reigned in.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Hoover cared more about the publicity from catching bank robbers than confronting home grown terrorists(gangsters, KKK, etc.)
Hoover knew about the clan, Hoover knew who the leaders were and when the politics required it, he reigned them in.
Now...Hoover was no angel, I already know that...but he knew what the problems were and he dealt with them.
When push came to shove down South, whether he agreed with Kennedy or Johnson, the FBI did it's job. Grudgingly perhaps, but it got done.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
That's klan.
Clan is a grouping of Celtic families. One reason I detest the Ku Klux Klan. It's also bad Greek Kirklos for circle.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-4EZyPIsSY
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Tara Setmayer, an African-American conservative and assistant to Rep. Dana Rohrbacher, was asked about Tancredo's comments that the NCLR is the Latino KKK. She actually compared flying the Mexican flag in public to lynchings. For someone to be that stupid just depressed me! :(
I've never seen change without a fire
Oh, like the Holocaust
I've been tracking this story since it happened, you troll, and this little girl is dead, and you can listen to the #^&@! 911 tape and you DON'T THINK IT HAPPENED?
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
and you already distinguished yourself as a complete anus.
with your head shoved so far up your ass,
and your avoidance of the real world
what's does your lunch taste like?
do you find it hard to lick your fingers?
...Rodney King broke all of those police batons with his face?
You ignorant hateful bastard!
I guess the little girl and father must have shot themselves, just to make poor Shawna Forde and her gang of Minutemen look bad, eh.
Or Lou Dobbs, or Bill O'Reilly or....What is the point in coming here and denying the undeniable? Other than getting a stiffy for breaking into your mom's computer...
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Maybe we should send the "Minutemen" assholes over to YOUR house......
Has been a member here for 1 day 20 hours. Just another troll who signed in for the specific purpose of trying to refute this story.
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...and this hateful degenerate uses a disturbing crime to take a mindless swat at John Amato.
Of the kind of person it takes to deny this kind of crime took place. People like that are the reason that Hitler got away with what he was doing to their friends and neighbors. I wish we could force people like this to clean up such crime scenes...make them FACE the evil that has been pertetrated in their names.
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The war on drugs and the war on terror have become one. Vigilante style.
It makes no difference what their motives were. They murdered a 9yo child. In cold blood. Simply because she was there. That’s all I need to know.
Wow, it certainly took the police officers a long time to show up on scene. I mean, a long time.
...Arivaca is a long way from just about anywhere.
The victims were brown.
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This news need to be in the hands of Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow...and TODAY........they executed a child!
If anybody ever wondered how the Holocaust happened, they now have their answer.
This is FOUR examples of Right Wing Domestic Terrorism in the past year, from Adkisson in Knoxville, to Tiller's murder, the attack in the Holocaust museum, and now this home invasion by people hoping to fund their treasonous attack.
I've just written my local paper asking why these attacks are not being linked together in the media.
And the more the media refuses to address this question, the more the media indicts itself as co-conspirators in these murders.
How many more people have to die before we acknowledge right-wing domestic terrorists are active in this country?
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
Try the last few weeks... It puts it all more in perspective IMHO.
Four in the last year, three in the last few weeks: domestic right wing terrorism is trending sharply upwards.
Oh, I'm sorry, do I need to apologize to Rush Limbaugh for saying that?
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
to your list add the kid in Pittsburgh that killed three cops because he was afraid that Obama was going to take his guns away.
You're right. Is somebody already tracking this stuff? Cause if not there's a website needs creating...
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
Write again and tell them you have reason to believe that contrary to previous reports all the perps are gay, muslim, terrorist-fist-jabbing libruls. They'll be over faster than speeding bullet to take down your story and print it as pure, unfettered truth. Bastards!
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Would Dannie Baker count?
You know, the guy who in Feb 2009 told his neighbor "...if I was ready for the revolution to begin and if I had any immigrants in my house to get them out", left his townhouse armed with a rifle, walked across the Summer Lake Townhomes complex, then opened fire and murdered Nicolas Corp (23) and Racine Balbontin (22)?
Two foreign nationals who were working in the U.S. legally. As were the three others critically injured.
Yep, I think that one fits right in.
And I will never forget those two faces.
If a black man gunned downed a blonde hair blue eyed white girl FOX would have her picture up 24/7.
They have their own special version of righteous indignation.
Loudly blaming Obama for her death
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Exactly. the man would be the next Willie Horton used to unseat Obama in 2012.
I have righteous indigestion.
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I can tell by that booty hole symbol.
I think these "minutemen" should be rounded up and handed over to some of those badass drug gangs South of the Border. Let's see how they like that.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
their physiology.... I expect these generates to break all sorts of land speed records when confronted by real criminals, with guns... that fire back.
A 9 year old shot in cold blood. There has to be a special kind of hell...
Tyler, there are two kinds of justice - the kind meted out in the courtroom, and the kind that's meted out behind bars. Put these scumbags in general population, and I'm betting they last about 2 days.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
with plenty of M or Familia types... their ass is grass.
That still does not return that poor 9 year old to the living... though. I am just really sick at my stomach after listening to the tape and reading the details.
BTW, there's tons of guys(and girls) in prison with nine year old children that would love to make these killers acquaintance.
Would it have been worse if she was 8 years old?
I would put that aside, myself.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Wrong analogy
The question would be would it have been worse if she was 18 years old, or even eighty to maintain the dichotomic parallelism.
And upon re-reading L&L comments the point wasn't the age but the desire for vengeance wreaked by fellow inmates. It's long standard procedures to put child molesters and such in their own ward or in isolation to protect them from the general prison population.
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These motherfuckers murdered in cold blood. Period.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Hmmm...blood and period...where could I take that?
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Our prisons are full of these types of people. As far as segragation applies, their pods, cells and dorms always change accordingly. I speak from experience... Though that is, from a more controlled Level 4 environment. Thanks
See: Corrigan;
[ http://www.ct.gov/DOC/cwp/view.asp?A=1499&Q=2... ]
Amended: Contempt of Court, is a mother Phucker! It's a long story... I held out for 5 months and they gave up :)
Amended: I was [not] addressing L&L's comment... For clarification. Don't put me on Front St. I learned that one from my celly, while in lockup♥ 21/24
Study the symptoms not the virus...
as a previous comment, on this issue, I used the analogy... 8 or 10. Is that what you were implying? My Windows 95 dictionary did not like those new words. :)
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so I wouldn't worry too much.
red herring;
1. A smoked herring having a reddish color.
2. Something that draws attention away from the central issue.
[From its use to distract hunting dogs from the trail]
Though I respect your opinion and time nonetheless.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
"Would it have been worse if she was 8 years old?"
you were saying...
Theory known as Occam's razor.
That is...
"The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory."
Hitler,Charles Manson,Theodore Kaczynski,Timothy McVeigh... so on and so fourth. They were [Killers] at the same time [They were human] and factually, Humans kill! Now, like that great thread we had earlier today...
I ask, WHY! So to start... We got these human(s) that just killed. Did they come to kill the 9-year old? I would not discount the fact... That's why I said, set it aside. If they hung her,drowned her,choked her or put her in the garage with the car running,(provided there was a garage) would that of made any difference?
The tragedy, is the innocent loss of life... because when your dead your dead. It's obvious the manner was deplorable to some, including myself! But why did they choose that manner? That can only be answered by the killer(s) and theorized by us.
In short, I simply look at the fact(s) for the core or central motive, setting aside what I would consider mitigating factors, albeit as heinous as they were in this case ... to get to the source and or target of the problem in an unclouded and perspicacious fashion as possible.
In ending, I met no disrespect with my replies and I want you to know that. I was just pointing something out, that I believe is important to consider. So with that, I'll thank you once again... for your time.
Study the symptoms not the virus...
But your question was if a young girl was killed would it make it more tragic if she were younger, was a self-referential question.
That's why I said the true question was would it make it less tragic if she were older?
Occam's razor is used to explain events by the simpliest means available, not to muddy the waters with tautologies.
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let me digest that... ysb
Stand by for input. :)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Interesting thing, the young girl's age meant nothing to her killers either, when they murdered her execution style.
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Re: "young girl's age meant nothing to her killers"
Is that a fact?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
I had posted previously...
I understand, I think...
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 14:02 — Truth_Critic
as a previous comment, on this issue, I used the analogy... 8 or 10. Is that what you were implying? My Windows 95 dictionary did not like those new words. :)
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Age in either direction 8 or 9. What am I missing related to the age factor? Thanks
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 13:23 — Truth_Critic
Would it have been worse if she was 8 years old?
I would put that aside, myself.
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I just don't think you understand what the concept of Occam's razor is at all...
Moi?
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truth_critic.
Maybe he is bored?
We are getting pretty far afield of the topic.
But the expression I heard defining Occam's Razor is, "The simplest explanation is probably the correct one."
For their to be an explanation there must be a question to be explained, and that's what Occam's razor provides.
Now if one wanted to argue in the Socratic style that's something else entirely.
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Your losing me. :-/
"[But the expression I heard defining Occam's Razor is, "The simplest explanation is probably the correct one."]"
Why did they do... What they did?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
You were raising more unnecessary questions, not removing any.
I'm going to bed now. I get up at 4:45 am.
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"Now if one wanted to argue in the Socratic style that's something else entirely."
Don't goooooo. ;) Thanks
Goodnight and thanks for your time as always ♥
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Exactly, YS. It didn't take a genius to spot this red herring miles away ;-)
Maybe they were having a sale today and Truth_critic is afraid the fish won't keep in the fridge?
Who knows....
Thank you just the same. Tyler
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lets talk about the facts and "eliminate" Occam's razor then?
Thanks
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Occam's razor would be to remove extraneous details. But an act like the murder of a nine year old would be a significant determiner of penalty if they're found guilty. Therefore this fact is not a chaff to be be cut away from the wheat with any kind of razor.
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Were we discussing how they should be penalized? "would be a significant determiner of penalty"?
Study the symptoms not the virus...
You were trying to say her age was irrelevant
Much like the killers thought.
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The suspects can call themselves anything they like or claim to be fighting for any cause, the fact is these people are nothing more than criminal scum, out to get what ever they could steal. Take note that the suspects were to chicken-shit to fire at the police officers, but brave enough to murder a 9 year old child, yea real brave. This would have been a much different story had it been my door they knocked on, do they pick-up the dead criminals for free or is their a small charge? When the victim fired back they turned and ran like a bunch of school-girls (tell you anything?)CEO,citizens,eyes,open
The kind of bullshit OReilly, Beck, Hannity, and of course Dobbs will try and pimp tonight.
When a liberal does anything remotely similar, then we can blame both ends of the spectrum. But until that happens, I am right there with you... f*cking sick and tired of people trying to equate the blame between people shooting the bullets and those receiving the bullets.
It was all over the media for WEEKS and it prompted a condemnation by congress. A nine year old little girl gets murdered and the media is silent but we get trolls around here who either claim it didn't happen or that she somehow deserved it.
Nice
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No, sorry, no free pass. This was a right wing operation, from its racist and biased selection of victims, to its method of pretending to be border patrol, to its stated goal of robbing drug dealers to fund right-wing terrorist activities in America. This was not simple crime for profit or vengeance, or even racism. This was an attempt to fund a political terrorist organization by theft, carried out by people who had been embraced by Republicans.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
Bullshit! These people are right wing extremists egged on by their right wing colleagues, they're not "just killers," they're the direct consequence of right wing conservatism and Republicanism.
Trying to downplay the Republicanism that results in these acts is one of the reasons why they're allowed to continue.
What's next? Are nutcases like our troll friend next going to claim that these are the same killers that killed Nicole Simpson?
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
that I couldn't even listen to the entire tape. This is nothing short of cold and calculated.
These are the types of criminals for whom the dealth penalty is appropriate and should be invoked, once the suspects/subjects are adjudged guilty by a jury of their peers.
But they're white - no death penalty for them!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
White and patriotic! They'll get a good lawyer. By the time their lawyers are done with that little Hispanic girl you'd think her head was spinning and she was spitting pea soup at them while charging them with a knife in each hand.
No doubt the NRA will supply them with lawyers.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
I think it's time to have a law and order and death penalty discussion with the right wing.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Isn't the Republican Master Race just lovely? I hope they execute these "Minutemen" piles of shit and then start going after Jim Gilchrist and the other domestic terrorists that spawn these incidents -- including Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and the rest.
but ya know what...in this instance...I'll bring the rope.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
I'd like to see Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, and Lou Dobbs given a special assignment - an exclusive interview with the leaders of several particularly nasty leaders of some drug gangs down in Mexico. Introduce them to their subjects as "Hey, here are the 5 gringo motherfuckers who go on teevee everyday and say how much they hate Mexicans!" They can show the whole thing on FOX!
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
When I read
"It certainly does raise the question: Why are the media paying so little attention to this story? "
I thought - that can't be true, so I searched the CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS websites for articles with Shwana Forde and. . . . NOTHING.
I am amazed and disgusted
... according to some people, there is no worse crime than someone hurting the sensibilities of a rightwinger. Ask our perennial concern trolls in this site for references.
So if you think about it, a 9 year old girl getting shot 3 times in cold blood... is pretty much a nonissue if you consider someone said something mean about the slutty daughter of a republican fuck up.
A daughter who fucked up and her slutty republican mother.
The attacked eyewitness mentioned too the emergency operator a few odd statements?
"Get the fuck out of here". To somebody
operator: Did you see anyone? "No I didn't"
"I can't believe they killed my family"
They had a Ford Truck
They tried to put something in here
left a gun
Then a Mexican came in
I believe there is more to the story so I'll allege!
She reported a Mexican man, his motive $$$ primarily, as well as possible a handy snitch. From the militant perspective.
The other assholes used him "A Mexican" as an steppingstone to accomplish their militant goal
Drugs, money and guns with an attitude is a bad concoction.
Why she is not dead... I do not know. Thanks Dave
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Yes, it's believed the Latino man, Albert Robert Gaxiola, was providing them information on who the drug dealers likely to have cash and/or drugs in their homes might be.
Thanks again. ♥
Study the symptoms not the virus...
won't be covered by her health insurance to add insult to injury.
... in account that she was alive before the shooting happened. And her policy clearly states that bullet wounds are not covered.
Treatment of gunshot wounds is considered "cosmetic" surgery by most insurance companies
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
Now that these "Minutemen" are trying to rob people to fund their domestic terrorism, that should say quite a bit about their movement and how well it's going.
Because fewer people are funding these right wing extremist hate groups, maybe bank robbing and more home invasions will be how they will start trying to keep their hate groups going.
I would not like to think that this behavior is going to become common, but desperate people seeing their right wing extremist ideologies fall out of favor will do desperate things.
My opinions only and only my opinions.
A few people i know who own guns fear home invasions and are pretty conservative types. How ironic that the people they need to fear are some of their own.
Brownshirts are almost by definition right-wing authoritarians, aka conservatives without conscience.
Not that anything can change this tragedy, but if minutemen or anyone else think that they can get rich and fund themselves by robbing suspected drug and drug money locations, they have defined their own destiny.
Interesting
We had two girls get famous this week:
One for having a dingbat of a mother and an Alfred E Neuman wannabe late-night TV host
And the other this murdered nine year old
Only not so much.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
You guys are right about the missing coverage but I'm dreading the attention when it does come because it will be in the form of the reichwingers' favorite game - "Let's Blame the Victim!"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-storie...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...but this is one of the most tragic and dramatic ones I've ever heard in my life.
Oh, that poor little girl...
JP
http://giveusthisdayourdailtydread.blogspot.com
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