J.D. Hayworth's History Lesson
From Talking Points Memo, we find out that J.D. Hayworth, the candidate competing for John McCain's Senate seat, has a unique insight on congressional declarations of war. He seems to have learned from the Prof. Blutarsky school of history.
While speaking last week to a local GOP organization in Phoenix, Hayworth was asked by an attendee about America's failure to formally declare war in our modern conflicts. Hayworth defended the modern-day authorizations for the use of military force. "But I would also point out, that if we want to be sticklers, the war that Dwight Eisenhower led in Europe against the Third Reich was never declared by the United States Congress," said Hayworth. "Recall, the Congress passed a war resolution against Japan. Germany declared war on us two days later. We never formally declared war on Hitler's Germany, and yet we fought the war."
The questioner then responded that he thought the United States did declare on Germany, and he would check it. Hayworth responded: "I think we should check it. Perhaps we made the rationalization -- since there was the Axis alliance -- that the attack of Japan was tantamount to the attack of the Third Reich. But as I recall in my history, Germany declared war on the United States, not vice-versa."
In fact, the United states did declare war on Germany. The timeline goes as follows: Japan attacked the U.S. Naval base at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. The United States declared war against Japan the next day, December 8, 1941. Then on December 11, 1941, Germany declared war against the United States -- to which the United States immediately reciprocated by declaring war against Germany that same day.
Republican politicians seem to enjoy creating their own realities, and this really bad trait makes them uniquely unqualified to address national security issues - especially decisions like going to war, where they can freely spend tens of thousands of lives and billions of dollars without much thought as to the consequences of their decisions. John McCain's decision to accept Sarah Palin as his vice president in the past campaign was surely a stupid, short-sighted one - but it's telling that Arizona could put someone even worse into the Senate than McCain.
Maybe JD wants McCain to win?
He has to be playing that stupid - tell me he was kiddin' right?
The "right" aint what is used to be.
There was a time when some of them made a little sense but times are clearly changing.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
By JD Hayworth's standards, this may be the least disturbing thing he's ever said.
I can accept that people misspeak or make a mistake sometimes.I do it myself. The problem with the flocks nation is they do it all the time on everything. The only conclusion many can come to is that they either live in or are trying intentionally create an alternate reality.
Because of numerous things like this I don't even find them relevant to a realistic discussion. They beg me not to take them seriously with their knee jerk threat and and fear.
that, for the most part, the people that vote for them are even more vacuous than they are. this explains their (republicans) refusal to believe facts laid before their very eyes, that conflict with their deeply held, personal beliefs.
noone as lame as hayworth should be elected to any public office, much less the congress of the united states. and yet................
correct. They have a preconceived notion and it is unchangeable and unmovable. Their preconceived notions ARE their reality. If current reality threatens that they bend it to whatever degree necessary to guarantee that the preconceived notion stays the same.
Why aren' we hearing about a democratic candidate?
Cause he's a Latino, and he's trying to find his birth certificate.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Blutarsky was no danged professor, he married the sexy cheerleader and became senator
The ROTC guy was fragged in Vietnam
And the head of the yuppy fraternity became an advisor to the Nixon administration, and was raped in prison...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... who was the person even worse than McCain that Arizona put into the Senate? Jon Kyl? Barry Goldwater?
Surely not J.D. Hayworth, who is a former member of the House.
Isn't it a damn shame the rethugs two choices in Az are McCrazy and that a$$hat Hayworth? Is it something in the water or just to much sun down there?
Not enough air conditioning.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
"..but it's telling that Arizona could put someone even worse into the Senate than McCain."
yes, noted, thanks.
The Repugs / neocon make up their own reality , history , truths and facts to suit their agenda , and that is a fact . The truth is literally the right wing's enemy , they are evil and insane ... both .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
I hate to say this but they don't make me angry as much as they make me feel pity anymore. The fact that I do truly believe that they are in either a natural or induced mental illness makes it harder to hate them. I hope they will see the destructiveness of their ways.
Regardless one doesn't have to be Nostradamus to know they are being left behind...so to speak. Evolution and progress,be it good or bad, is a primal force. Those that find the bulk of their vision rooted in the past have already lost.
were it not for the fact that these nimrods have managed to nearly destroy my country. what ever pity i may have had, has been subsumed by my loathing.
To be a Senator in Arizona in on par with being the shift supervisor at 7 11.
He married Mandy and became a Senator...
In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S. Thompson
He will be the next Senator from Zona.
That's all this country needs.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
During the Battle of the Bulge, the German army sustained approximately 100,000 casualties; the Americans approximately 80,000.
Yet Ronald Reagan spun a heartwarming tale of two squads, one American and one German, that parlayed during the bloodbath and agreed to leave a fire warming a farmhouse each occupied at different times during the course of the day.* That just might be my favorite departure from reality he ever chose to share with the American people.
*(To be sure, both armies strove to avoid destroying such structures, but simply because the weather was freezing).
Tue Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:19:36 PDT
From Crooks and Liars. There was an exchange on Fox News last night between Bill O'Reilly and Wes Clark. The issue was the release of further Abu Ghraib pictures and video.
O'Reilly was incensed that it "puts our troops at risk". Clark responded that what's putting the troops at risk is the chain of command letting, or even making, this happen in the first place.
O'Lielly was saying that it happens just like this in every war, with Clark rebutting that those were isolated incidents which were court-martialed.
And then, this:
Clark: And let me explain something. You go all the way up the chain of command ...
O'Reilly: General! You need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War Two, and the 82nd Airborne who did it!
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The Malmedy massacre? Well, about that on the flip...
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/10/bil...
The truth will set you free but can you handle the truth?
does not matter to them.
In JDs world, declarations of war only count if you're frist. As in Japan didn't declare war on us because we declared war on Japan frist. So there. Nanner nanner nanner
I'm more ignorant than you! No sir. I'm way dumber than you.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
or win. either way.......................
JD Hayworth = Chicken Hawk
And who's surprised to find that re=Thugs are SO unbelievably, irretrievably stupid?
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"Then on December 11, 1941, Germany declared war against the United States -- to which the United States immediately reciprocated by declaring war against Germany that same day."
OK, now I get it!
In all of my years in school -- high school and college -- I cannot recall ever being taught the German angle as to the war declaration. I knew that Germany declared war on the US, and I always thought that the the US had a right to respond to THAT declaration without our needing to issue a war declaration against Germany ourselves.
"Republican politicians seem to enjoy creating their own realities...."
Not necessarily true in this case. To what degree is the matter of our declaring war on Germany discussed in American History classes?
because it needs to be said, Over and over again, until it gets through the haze. Hayworth and other people like him in the People's Democratic Republic of Arizona are the sort you're going to get making laws and enforcing laws (up to and including the Bill of Rights) if and when you vote Republican.
By that I mean people so myopic and generally ignorant that their only reason for seeking public office is not and can never be Public Service. The only reason that an ignoramus like this run for office is to seek after and gain power that they can use for selective repression of everyone who disagrees with them. And just for the record, so nobody can "spin" this, John McCain is just as bad. If the Nation as a whole ever needed a peak behind the "vale" of "civility" these people try to broadcast whenever the media is around, this is it. These are the people who want to run YOUR Government. If you're not scared,or angry, or a spot of both, I hope you do elect men like this. Because if you do, you'll deserve everything they do to you, your rights, and the America you thought you learned about in elementary school.
az like the other states blames the so called illegals.
and of course it is the system that brings them here.
that system is a capitalist system looking for cheap labor.
that capitalist system is like a giant magnet.
communism, socialism, and capitalism must self destruct.
the purer of the form of each the faster the self destruction.
most americans have never heard of a social democracy.
the capitalist are not about to tell them about it.
the liberals, progressives and the repubs are all capitalists.
americans wake up you are being taken to the cleaners.
we no longer have a roosevelt to bail out capitalism.
we have a carter that gives great speechs.
the capitalists now own congress, white house, media and the supreme court.
they soon will own the entire reelection process.
the end is near welcome to the new third world america where one per cent have 99% of the wealth of the nation.
The usual revisionist line is that FDR provoked Germany and ignored warnings about the threat to Pearl Harbour while knowing about the intention of the Japanese to declare war (beforehand, but their embassy stuffed up deciphering their instructions in time).
But now it's the evil socialist FDR responded as any red-blooded, hot headed "patriot" would and not bother with legal niceties at all. Reminds me of that good ol' boy number 43.
(Full disclosure - I'm not a US citizen, so take this comment with appropriate grain(s) of salt as you see fit.)
I don't think that anyone could make the case that FDR provoked Germany - the support to Britain prior to 1942 was pretty limited to the "Lend Lease" program, and Germany avoided torpedoing US cargo ships as they did prior to WW1. No, I think it was Hitler's pride and ego that goaded him into declaring war, so he could support his Asian ally and show that he had a world order.
Congress responded to Germany's declaration of war with a return shot. And I think you can imagine the "red-blooded, hot-headed" patriotism that probably was flowing a week after Pearl Harbor, much as the support that GW Bush got (and later squandered) in the week after 9/11. I don't see any "evil socialist" responses there.
McCain we now have ? This is what we have come to expect from the Repub party and Arizona. Since Az is the land of stupid we might as well have a shining example. Unfortunately McCain will probably then frequent the television talk shows and amaze us further.
I'm pretty sure McCain is posturing to get re-elected. At least he doesn't mean half the crazy stuff he says, but he's old, he forgets what he said and what he didn't say ("I am NOT a maverik!!")
Hayworth, I think he's certifiable. There's no comparison. Do not want.
Who on earth, at this point, would think JD is worth a chance at Senator. We are not dealing with some political genius who needs a chance to prove himself. We are dealing with a complete idiot who is a failure because he is a totally unethical man with a severe case of egotism. While McCain is no perfect man, he certainly is a million times better then this blowhard JD.
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