Anti-choice violence skyrockets with a Democratic president in office
By John Amato Monday Jun 01, 2009 6:19pm
This graphic speaks to the violence that comes out of the anti-choice movement, doesn't it? Especially when these extremists perceive they are losing the arguments. America solidly rejected their views with this last election.
1993-1998: 7 incidents under Pres. Clinton
1999-2008: 0 incidents under George Bush
2009- : 1 incident under President Obama
Check out the list of violence and murder carried out Via NAF:
Anti-abortion extremists perpetrated an unprecedented level of violence in 1993 with the first murder of an abortion provider. Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed by a zealot in Pensacola, FL. Since that time, anti-abortion extremists have murdered or attempted to murder numerous other individuals who were involved in reproductive health care...read on.
It's just going to get much worse, folks -- especially with nuts like Beck and O'Reilly stoking the flames of the militia mentality and the anti-women's rights causes. We already had a man shoot three police officers in the head because he was afraid Obama wanted to take his guns.
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in the U.S that is a Positive.
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Anywhere you go that has a TV; waiting rooms, restaurants, wherever; if the TV is turned to Fox, politely ask them to turn it off or change the channel.
If they ask why, tell them Fox is unAmerican and incites domestic terrorism.
If they won't, tell them you'll leave.
I've been doing this for years, (I told them I refused to pay for a service and be forced to listen to propaganda), and only one office mgr got ticked at me, and she still changed it.
Imagine if millions of us did this.
I'm an american expat in Holland and we (the dutchie and me) changed cable packages to get Fox News out of our happy home. I watched Fox for local american news that wasn't covered by CNN World and plain old CNN wasn't available but we spent waaay too much time screaming at the screen even though we could have just Not Watched.
The masochist in me was compelled to watch in a way that went beyond "opposition research". I'm mortified that Bill O'Reilly spews his hate in such a lovely country and I'm mystified as to why I continued to watch with a pounding heart.
My heart is broken today.
Since I seem to have, my post deleted because some small-minded child does not like hearing the truth I’ll write this again.
Freedom works both ways and not just your own liberal view. You have every right to go into a business and if they are listening or watching something that offends you then you leave.
You may have the right to ask them to turn it off but do not expect them to have to do this in order to please you. They pay the bills not you.
They also have the right to refuse you service as well keep that in mind.
In addition, do you happen to go to a friend’s home and ask them to turn off their T.V if they are watching something you dislike? How about telling them what books they must read in order to not offend you!
You could even tell them if they do not force their children to read the books you enjoy then you will refuse to stay there.
Freedom is a choice for both you and the next person and if you don’t like it then no one is forcing you to stay in this country. Please feel free to leave!
Yes, it does. Korben, you can read whatever you like, but doubt you could do so loudly in a waiting room or restaurant without being asked to leave. Successful businesses understand they need paying customers or clients if they are to pay their bills. Success requires the business give customers excellent products, good service and a respectful place of business for everyone. This trend has little to do with political labels. It has everything to do with freedom... from constant "noise" of news broadcasting.
Consumers underestimate the power of the purse! I've asked to have TV's turned off while waiting or in restaurants for the past couple of years. If I mention it to others waiting & they agree, it really sends a definite message. I've asked friends to do the same. Like non-smokers, the more requests there are, the more likely a change. We are not alone in being tired of all the ugliness on cable news. My friends & I watch only PBS & C-Span to for the entire speech or event, and form our own opinions without commentary from news media celebs full of themselves.
Killing for Jesus?..never did get that. Let all the anti-folks do this, take thoes unwanted,deformed,addicted etc. babys and take them to there house. There, ya happy now?...no...you don't want them eather?...then go and murder LIVE people no more.
If God can kill people, why can't we?
In a neocon world it makes perfect sense. Fighting for peace? Sure. Like fucking for virginity.
Actually the fucking for virginity thing works if you use the back door.
Its a great work around!
I hear sodomy is all the rage with the young people nowadays. It's Clinton's (de)fault.
Why else would God have given man a two car garage with only one car?
I dunno. Why do men have nipples? Why did the snake break Eve's hymen? I'm confused and frightened.
Men have nipples so they have a place to hold their clothes pins when they are not in use.
Why did the snake break Eve's hymen? Did you see what she was wearing?
The only thing we have to fear is confusion.
This entire thread is offensive & violates your TOS, so why is it still up? I registered today to post a comment on trends & this is what you think is appropriate? Yes, we have freedom of speech but we also have an obligation to think!
I can't recall an anti-abortion headquarters being bombed.
Anyone?
Nope. That would be mean.
Billo sez we just smoke alot of reefer and watch The Daily Show.
There were several cases of anti-abortion terrorism during the Bush administration. I documented several cases of domestic terrorism since 9/11.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/286964...
If they're talking about murders of gynecologists, it's another subject, but there's been several violent attacks on abortion clinics.
Bush kept us safe!! I mean, aside from, you know, 9/11.
So let me get this right if I post anything liberal it gets printed but if I write anything that is say the truth then it gets deleted. Freedom of speech is a two way street people.
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Well then you must not have read what I wrote. next time do so before you delete it. thank you
And this article is really stretching things by saying 'skyrocket'. Give me a fricken break, 1 is not a skyrocket, a start maybe. And the years for Bush should read 2001-2008 not starting at 1999, c'mon. We should call out fake sensationalistic journalism no matter where it comes from. MSNBC is becoming the polar opposite of Fox and that's not what we need.
Yeah you got your Becks and O'Reillys out their stirring the pot but for sheer validation of hatred and intolerance by a strong mainstream voice it'd be hard to match the damage done by the PALIN/mccain campaign. I know they really didn't address abortion too much but they really did validate the fear hatred and anger of a LOT of borderline whackos. They stoked it hard.
The truth is, if the Republicans didn't have "Pro-Life" in their platform, the right-wing MEDIA wouldn't be so keen to push it as an issue.
As I mentioned re: the O'Reilly post below (where he suggested he'd like to be a vigilante), the only reason he was stoking that position was to shill for some Kansas Republicans before the election.
O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, etc., despite claiming they're "independent voices," are obviously towing the Republican line, pushing their talking points, etc.
besides pander to them before election time???
like Dobson, Robertson, and Cal Thomas have decided that the political arena is no longer viable. But that's only because it's not working anymore. If McCain had won they could have kept up the charade for a few more election cycles. When you tell the professional christians that Bush had both houses of Congress for 6 of his 8 year reign of error, and he did SQUAT to outlaw abortion, the result is usually a blank stare or stuttering.
"Dobson, Robertson, and Cal Thomas have decided that the political arena is no longer viable. But that's only because it's not working anymore." If by "not working" you mean not raising them money, you may be right. Because they are not about any cause or political power. They are after a full collection plate.
lamenting the fact that after all their efforts to outlaw abortion and gay marriage that their chosen party, the repugs, failed to deliver. They still use those two issues as big fundraisers, despite the electorate rejecting their narrow, regressive, policies. As George Carlin said, "God is all knowing, all caring, all seeing, all powerful, all loving, all things to all people, but he's always broke." You'd think an almighty, omniscient being would have a better financial plan.
I've told the brain dead vote straight republican ballots till you die crowd around here the same thing and I got just the response you described. Right on the money with that one.
which is fine with the anti-choice freaks because their actual devotion to saving babies is also just lip service.
These extremists are willing to kill to save these babies, but they aren't actually willing to do anything to make the lives of these babies they save any better. Like our Congressional Repugs; they spill the blood, they don't clean it up.
In fact, they have latched onto this issue precisely because there is no overhead. Whatever funds they raise, they keep. No orphanages are being built, no hospitals, nothing of that sort for the dear little babies.
They scream and rant and rave about the sanctity of life, even as they advocate murder, and then they move on. They don't actually DO anything for or about any children that they ostensibly save from being aborted, or their mothers.
Being an anti-choice extremist means always being able to sanctimoniously tell everyone else how to live OR ELSE, without having to actually do anything to take care of the results of that extremism.
The Repugs handle the matter of choice the same way they governed and waged war - no actual experience or real knowledge is required, in fact, it's looked down upon and sneered at. It's all about posturing self-righteousness and leave someone else to clean up the mess.
That's why Repugs and anti-choice freaks like each other; they serve each other's basest needs and never bust each other's rank hypocrisy.
Sure the GOP is prolife. Kind of like their dear George W was. Bush supported some abortions, loved executions and sending other people's kids to die for his wars of choice. That's prosadism, not prolife.
Those McCain/Palin rallies definitely added fuel to the fire.
You need to revisit the political climate of the 80's. Lee Atwater started this shit and had major regrets on his deathbed.
Free speech is a right, but the rhetoric spewing from these hate-mongering so called TV journalists has gone beyond free speech.
Stating an opinion is one thing, but lying is not an opinion. And O'Reilly, Beck, et al. are constantly lying to whip up hatred.
Lying in a court of law is perjury but lying on national TV to incite violence is ok? WTF? Where is the FCC? Who's watching this BS and deciding that no harm was done?
Should lying also be protected by the constitution?
I've been saying this for years. It has nothing to do with free speech. Of course, lying through your teeth is protected speech (as is ALL speech in America).
The real issue here is media monopolies. Under Clinton and Bush, the FCC allowed media to become too powerful, to the point where Fox News effectively decided the 2004 election.
1) the corporate media conglomerates need to be broken up, to allow more competition (which creates better journalism) and to prevent companies with military contracts from doing news
2) public television and radio need to be MAJOR players, not just a niche market (that's essentially owned by corporate interests now anyway)
3) they need to crack down on false advertising, be it Fox Opinion billing itself as News, or the type of unsubstantiated "facts" that come in political ads. They should be held to the same standard the corporate advertisers are made to adhere to.
Former Right-To-Lifer Frank Schaeffer says the architects of the far-right anti-abortion movement knew full well they were opening the doors to violence.
Rachel Maddow guest, former Right-To-Lifer Frank Schaeffer blasts the extremists
thanks, I'll watch that. I was also encouraged to hear a caller to randi rhodes tell her story. She's Catholic and used to participate in the pro life movement until she realized that it was all about hate. She even said Obama was more Catholic than some Catholics! Because it is about caring for everyone, not hating anyone, etc.
They're slowly snapping out of it.
At least some of them anyway.
that was some interview with Schaeffer! thanks for the linky. I'm overcome with the straight talk, the apology, the acknowledgement of responsibility. So rare to see or hear these days.
incredible.
because it was a genuine example of a real Christian in action, trying to actually live his faith.
I think most of us do not fit well into the "pro-life no matter what" camp. We get painted with the same brush as the lunatics, but talk to sane practicing Catholics (most of us) and they understand the rape-incest-danger aspect of abortion.
I was pro-life too until my aunt was pregnant with an anecephalic baby and I saw firsthand the pain, heartache, and literal NECESSITY of a late-term abortion. Only one member of my large Catholic family had a problem with it, and she was rightfully verbally bitchslapped and doesn't come to family functions anymore because of it, but you know what? I don't miss her.
Anyone who wants to outlaw abortion has never met anyone who has had to have one.
Many many people are against abortion in theory, in abstract, until someone they know or love needs an abortion for whatever reason. I believe we used to call compassion "walking in another's shoes" or something. There but for the grace of God go I? Whatever happened to that?
clinic owner and colleague of Dr. Tiller. He singled out "mainstream journalists like William Saletan, Ellen Goodman and Chris Matthews" for using the same hateful language about abortion as anti abortion extermists. He did not mention FOX or O'Reilly. And the most vitriolic O'Reilly comments seem to have commenced during Bush's second term.
Trying to have it both ways. He had on a dr who was trying to explain the rare but real need for late term abortions and Matthews couldn't wrap his brain around it. He kept looping back over the same thought; that there were some women who would carry a baby literally all the way to term and then just change their mind.
This is Catholic sexism; women just aren't rational like men are. They have to be watched over and protected, or, like the semi-retarded subhumans they are, they might accidently commit a mortal sin while being a flaky inconstant woman.
CNN interviewed a Dr. Warren Hern.a Boulder Co.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZZz2I10me4
that conservatism, as is practiced by the right wing, is a mental disorder. When they're out of power, their rhetoric and their anger increases exponentially. When you pair that with the professional christians who piss and whine about their persecution complex, there are plenty of heavily armed, damaged, social misfits willing to take action. They are pro-gun, pro-nuke, pro-war, pro-death penalty, pro-life, Jesus loving christian hypocrites.
Tiller was targeted for criminal prosecution by Kansas prosecutors late in Bush's presidency. He was acquited a few months ago, after Obama's inauguration. That fact, more than the Obama presidency, may have triggered this indident. Then again, it may not have.
Conservatives remind me of children who are "big for their age". What they possess in might belies the fact that they are still children who don't know their own strength. They lurch as they try to walk, get frustrated at every turn, hit something then scream in anguish.
Perhaps they were potty-trained at gunpoint.
I suggest that someone start up a new website: "saveadoctor.com"
on which people could post the names, addresses, phone numbers, places of employment, and pictures of people who call abortion "murder."
Not that I am willing to take responsibility for any misfortune that might befall those folks. It would be intended to be informational only.
This afternoon I'd watched the video with that Contessa Retrogresso Prissyissime and saw this graphic.. I remember wondering about it later.. of course it reads violence and not terrorism but I had to wonder why they used it and concluded it was as a warning to what happens when certain people are elected.. 'see.. during President Bush's eight years there was no violence' and of course the understanding that it indicates petulance and ignorance of 'pro life' forces is more appropriate to me.
Perfecto!!
Conservative terrorism is alive and well, and the conservative terrorist enablers on hate radio and Fox have blood on their hands....not that they accept responsibility or care,
to the more accurate American Taliban.
0 to 1 is not a "skyrocket"
1993-1998:
7 incidents - Pres. Bill Clinton
1999-2008:
No incidents - Pres. George W. Bush
2009:
1 incident - Pres. Barack Obama
I didn't know Bush's first term started in 1999. :P Now, maybe they were trying to underscore that the last incident happened in 1998 (?), but whoever prepared this graphic for MSNBC looks dumb.
When you back an animal into a corner they always becomes more vicious, and more dangerous.
IF abortion is murder, and the punishment for murder is DEATH, why don't these right-wing wackos kill women who seek out these abortions? I mean, they're paying for a "contract hit" on their own baby, so shouldn't they be executed with the same righteous fervor?
I'll tell you why; they know that the country would rise up in outrage and their membership & political power would vanish. But it does reveal their intellectual dishonesty.
in which we human beings in the "reality-based community" live.
Those in the anti-abortion crowd are performing daring acts of moral contortion to avoid asking hard questions, like:
When a woman has a miscarriage (1 out of 4 pregnancies), should she be considered a suspect until medically proven innocent?
Since smoking, caffeine and alcohol can cause miscarriage, ought those women who smoke, drink coffee or alcohol then miscarry be considered murderers?
Shouldn't MEN who smoke around pregnant women who miscarry be arrested and tried as murderers?
Older age is more likely bring on miscarriages and complications. Should there be an age at which women are not allowed to get pregnant?
Included in that are most In-Vitro Fertilization couples, who are at increased risk of miscarriage and complications, and besides, most will create more embryos than they need, and those will be thrown in the rubbish, so shouldn't we abolish IVF altogether?
Exercise increases the risk of miscarriage. Should those women who jog or swim during pregnancy be arrested if they miscarry?
And what of premature labour and birth? Should there be an authority to ensure that those women whose babies die in the womb aren't really doing something to kill that baby?
Certainly, if you want to outlaw abortion, you need to answer all these questions and many, many more.
Shouldn't the fetus wear a helmet? In case the mother falls?
That argument is nonsense.
think of another reason. If you know that your going to be caught and stopped after a few, who is it better to take out, the person who is going to have a couple of abortions or the person that has performed 60,000 so far and will continue to perform thousands more? I'm not saying I'm in favor of it, but logically the Dr is the one to target.
They want abortion made illegal.
My point above is that, with laws come many other laws and fine print and exclusions, etc.
I dare someone, anyone, to answer those questions above. How far are they willing to go? Do we want to live in a country that resembles "The Handmaid's Tale"?
was to Peabody, but I'll respond to your post also. Nope, parents are allowed to do risky things and allow their children to do risky things, how many children die and or injured in bicycle accidents? Should parents be charged with attempted murder for letting their kids ride bikes? How about riding in a car? Swimming pools? Baths? All the things you listed can lead to miscarriage, but does not mean that they will miscarry. Same with bikes, a parent shouldn't be charged for letting them ride a bike, but if the parent puts them on a bike and pushes them onto a interstate well... Same with a mother smoking or drinking or letting a abortionist push a spike into its skull and cleaning up with a shop vac.
"We're so pro-life, we'll kill you to prove it."--Anti-Abortion whack jobs
O'Reilly: "Finally, if these people are soooo compassionate — so very compassionate, so concerned for the rights and welfare of others — maybe they might have written something, one thing, about the 60,000 fetuses that will never become American citizens."
THEE question to ask O'Reilly:
If he is "soooo compassionate", why does his hate only extend to doctors who perform the abortion? In his paranoid mind, aren't the women, themselves, complicit with the procedure?
That's the question to ask him. Of course, the REAL answer is that if he COULD use those kind of accusations against women, he most certainly would. O'Reilly's always been a pure political hack. He only uses language that's politically advantageous.
O'Reilly, the complete hypocrite, pushed for the war in Iraq as much as anyone else, yet he'd never believe that there's blood on his hands. I don't think he cares one iota about human life, other than his own. And for him to accuse others of "hating" is so hypocritical that it must look ludicrous even to some on the right.
It's no coincidence that these violent "pro-life" acts have happened under Democratic Presidencies. The right is incredibly angry, and they will strike out again -- in the most destructive (and self-destructive) ways possible.
I'd just like to reiterate to the assholes that want to "take the country back from the liberals" that it took more than liberals to elect Obama.
So?
People like randall terry will claim it's Obama's fault, not his.
whose is proven to have recruited and encouraged suicide bombers who have killed, wouldn't we prosecute that terrorist?
Randall Terry's organization recruited the guy who killed Dr. Tiller. Randall Terry calls for murder. Arrest his ass, and send it to Gitmo.
All these wingers love Gitmo and want it kept open. OK, send them there.
No shit! It's because there were no right-wing boneheads calling for this kind of thing during the Bush years, as a matter of fact the right-wing didn't care what Bush did, all the things they complain about Obama (spending, handling of the war, etc.) were done 1000x worse under President Bubblehead and his evil Dick.
Now that we have a chance to benefit the American people, now the right-wing is speaking up. Showing, just as I have said many times before, that the Right-Wing simply hate America, and it would seem that they hate us for our freedoms.
Roeder left tons of evidence via his posts on radical anti-abortion sites.
Remember Jim D. Adkisson?
the danger here comes from perception.
instead of truths and facts... extremists have been acting on unfounded "perceptions" being fueled by Radio Talkie Crazies and right wing nuts.
the Taliban-ization of our churches must not happen by these fundi-right-wing extremies .
These attacks are escalating because the Reslug NUTJOBS are listening to the Faux Noise terrorists that are egging them on to murder.
I mean, that's what's next....from Randy and Operation Taliban lite.
These people are not pro-life. They are just filled with a spirit of hate and feel justified by hating people who offer abortions (I wonder how many babies/women..etc. Tiller saved who are now going to suffer because of this guy?).
If abortion was illegal, they would most likely be a member of something else that's "anti-". And, to think my two sorry arse senators signed on with the letter about "right wing" violence.
What a freakin' embarassment!
Maybe, it's time for people to start protesting anti-CHOICE groups homes, churches and HQs.
Here's another fact about violence when different parties are in power:
Since World War II, all assassination attempts against republican presidents (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bu**sh** I) were by mentally ill people crying for attention, none by politically opposed people.
All assassination attempts against democrats (Roosevelt, Carter, Kennedy) all were by politically opposed people, none by the mentally ill.
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