August 06, 2009 12:00 PM
Aren't you waiting for some Conservative to say that Laura Ling and Euna Lee were Democratic plants?
They went to North Korea so they could be arrested, sentenced to twelve years hard labor and then get rescued in the nick of time. It was one big photo op. A setup so President Clinton and the Obama administration could look good.
You know it's coming somewhere down the road. Laura Ling was way too nice to President Clinton.
Karl Rove begrudgingly said that it worked out pretty well, but that Jimmy Carter should have gone instead. That was his troll logic.
You mean that hasn't already been said by one of them? Newt must be off this week.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
I already heard that this morning along with Bill getting a blowjob from each of the girls on the trip home from Flush Turdballs.
Fuck the rethugs.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
..telling the audience that if we were to project-the-past behavior of Flush, did that mean he was reporting this while high on illegal drugs smuggled in from another country? I'd mention the whole "child-sex" thing but I don't have that much information.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
How can he keep saying these things and not be sued for slander. What would you do if Rush had said that about you or one of your family members.
..a suitable topic for this web site.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
*High Five*
NOBODY 2012
Being a public figure it wouldn't be advisable for Clinton to sue, but I think public sympathy would lay with Laura Ling and Euna Lee and their families.
Until they sic the astrotufers on them.
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I mean the two women. I mean how dare he, how dare he.
The right can't be this delusional...
no real human being wants to profit at the expense of the poor and downtrodden except these bastards.
How else do you explain not one but (at least) four Republican senators voting against Sotomayor while claiming she is a racist despite very large Hispanic populations? I, for one intend to point that out when my two run for office, to everybody and anybody who will listen but especially to Hispanic persons. They are delusional and so completely out of touch that they think Obama won because they weren't being wingnutty enough.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Just like they couldn't be delusional enough to trash Obama for taking out the Somali pirates...
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
to get these ladies released from prison.
They're not 'Muricans
God help this country - it is on full wingnut meltdown and doesn't appear to let up anytime soon.
The two poor girls would be dead and the DMZ would be run over.
On the other hand, if Dumbaya brought Barney with him, he might have made Kim happy. Kim loves dogs - medium rare.
Monkeys don't like dogs too much, but that was going a bit far for a joke.
Jeez, I thought that we (liberals and progressives) are supposed to be above this kind of prejudice and sterotypes.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Isn't it fascinating how these women were imprisoned in the Axis of Evil and yet were not tortured. Maybe we could learn to show as much respect for the lives of our political prisoners in America.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
Sonia Sotomayor and the democrat socialist congress change the rules to...wait for it...allow Bill Clinton Back In The Whitehouse!
Not only were these two reporters "sleeper hostages", but they were released by Kim Jong Il in a calculated attempt to distract us from Hillary's emergency trip to Kenya (South Australia?) to track down and destroy any evidence of Obama's real Kenyan (South Australian?) birth certificate. Kim Jong Il and the North Korean media are in the tank for Obama.
No, Bill Clinton should have gone. WTF? Did he want it to turn out differently (I know he did but where is his logic?)?
I mean really...how old is Jimmy Carter? Bill Clinton should have gone.
Although I think, based on his crush for Madeleine Albright, she might've been ok.
me-oww!
On topic...Can you imagine if the captured had Thug ties? They'd be all "What took so long?"
Clenis haters.
me-oww!
Jimmy Carter should have gone instead?
Why not Shrubya?
Too busy cutting brush in Dallas?
carry the amount of booze that the Schrub and his buddies would need.
Or diapers.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
Wait until BillO and Beck have some time to stew over this. I'm sure they will have their own theory which up until now resides in their lower orifice.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
... on the other hand, I looked at the screen and thought, "My God, it's so nice to have ADULTS minding the store for a change."
It's been soooo long since we've had anything remotely approaching diplomacy in the WH...
The fact Pres Bill Clinton helped secure the release of these women enrages Republicans- I wouldn't put it past these right wingers to start sending these women death threats-
as some twisted way of lashing out at pres clinton...
will they sink that low?
Personally, I think the very first thing the right wing is going say is that the United States made some sweet deal to the North Korean regime in return for those ladies freedom. Now, there may be some truth to that because the North Korean regime, like any another other regme isn't going to let their bargaining chips go without something in return.
However, the right will never admit that diplomacy, even if there is a simple exchange of some sort, works much better than threats or the threat of military action. All that does is raise the stakes, would put the lives of those ladies at risk, and make the North Korean regime dig in that much further.
Bolton, like most republicans see the killing of others as the ONLY way to get things done...
'Culture of life' my ass.....
... it simply isn't possible to have secured their release without practically selling the country on the cheap to Kim Jong-Il.
North Korea simply doesn't have the cards. The right lied about Iraq, and it's been shown they lied about Iran, so why not lie about North Korea?
Sure, Kim's as dotty as they come, and Junior ain't far behind ... but nuclear program aside, right now he has a missile that - in theory - might be able to reach Hawaii. Dotty or not, he has to know that doing so will get him nuked in return, and even China won't stand in the way.
North korea already had two cards to play in those two captured ladies. If Clinton did offer something in return it didn't necessarily have to be military. North Korea is well known to have serious cases of famine going on so all Clinton would have to do is offer to speed up the process of food aid to North Korea. It could have been something as simple as that. The right will make it out to be something military though.
I don't think Clinton was in a position to offer something like that. I think Kim just wanted his ego stroked by having the big dog come over have dinner with him and get a photo op. Kinda to show Hillary that he could do this without arranging things with her. Whatever Kim wanted, I doubt it hurt anyone and the outcome was perfect.
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Patricia is right that Kim wanted Bill to come. He almost went at the end of his term.
Also, he sent M. Allbight (sp) and Bill Richardson went twice being sent by Bill.
"Let's talk dirty to the animals"
For Kim Jong Il it could have been something as simple as having his ego stroked for him to give something up. He is that type of guy after all.
My food aid example was just an example of what could have been done beyond the military application. Still, there is no telling what was the plan before Clinton left so we will never know.
I think the administration wanted a hands off in this situation, at least any out front show of it. That way they can say that they didn't negotiate with N Korea and that the transaction was a private one. The administration can still take a hard line with N Korea in the future.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Bill Clinton's trip itself was the payoff. The beautiful thing is that KJI thinks it benefited him... while everyone else snickers behind their hands.
I am very happy they got back. I am happier that Clinton was the one who brought them back (Notice how crazy the Foxers have been?). I have issues about what they thought they were doing there in the first place just like I have issues about what the jokers in Iraq who got picked up by the Iranians, were doing there. I mean, "out for a hike?" WTF? Probably a CIA thing (the Iran deal) and if it was then so it goes. But for the right wing extreme media to be popping off like they have been is insane. I think these women were naive more than anything. And if Gore sent them, shame on him. He should know better but I don't know that he sent them. At least he should have told them not to go if he could have. But again, to say the things these Foxers are saying is insane and I would not hesitate to punch any of them in the mouth if one was standing in front of me.
The right wing reminds me of my mother. No matter how nice something was or how pretty it was, she could always find something wrong with it. She felt it was her obligation to criticize everything. That's such a sad way to live.
It would have been nice yesterday if everyone in the US could have come together for just a few minutes and enjoyed what was happening and take a little pride in what had been done, no matter who did it or how it got done.
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After learning of Valerie Wilson, Jane Bond, my image of spies has changed quite a bit.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
... they got captured OUTSIDE of North Korea. They were in a position to learn nothing. A charge of espionage is always convenient, because the bad guys in the movies always do that (Kim's a big movie nut).
Valerie Wilson, on the other hand, was a charming face planted on the staff of a corporation that did business abroad. She would have access to parties, officials, other businessmen. When Dick Cheney burned her, he probably condemned anyone who'd ever had business dealings with her to death.
But the silver lining was discovering that all these bright, beautiful, possible single, spies actually walk the same planet as me. Sure they can look amazing in an evening gown, are informed and quick witted - but they can also kill you with a paper clip, never lose at baccarat, accurately pick the perfect vintage of a thousand wines, and activate the machine gun turrets on their Aston Martin with a flick of their wrist. Heck, I'd even settle for one with a Lotus.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
The worst thing I have heard so far is maybe they should have been left in N. Korea. That is fu*king heartless. That's the difference between us and them. We have hearts and brains, they have neither to speak of.
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Hannity: Both girls are Gore employees . . .
O'Reilly: reporters . . .
Beck: On the payroll, Gores payroll . . .
Limbaugh: What a set up . . Obama rating plummeting . .
O'Reilly: desperate for a big boost
Beck: Bubba, the big dog steps in
Limbaugh: Gores sets up the staging, girls, your going to
Beck: all expenses paid . .
Hannity: is there anything the Dems won't do? . .
O'Reilly: pre arranged . .
Beck: Bubba to the rescue . .
Limbaugh: Right down to John Wayne Airport . .
Hammity: Boeing pulling up in the hanger . .
Beck: lights, camera, action . .
Limbaugh: send the bill to the taxpayers . .
O'Reilly: Kim get's his official Clinton and I portrait . .
Beck: hang on his wall of commie credentials . . .
Beck would have to mention ACORN to make it complete
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You mean that they were over there signing up voters? I guess it is possible.
According to Beck they're everywhere. Their numbers are growing daily and they are somehow in cahoots with the president to take over the country or something.
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A key player in Clinton's high-flying diplomatic mission to rescue Laura Ling and Euna Lee was entertainment mogul Steve Bing, a longtime "Friend of Bill" who lent the ex-president his private Boeing 737.
The multimillionaire mogul paid about $200,000 in fuel and other costs that came with the trans-Pacific flight.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08062009/news/nat...
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all
If you cannot bear to be critical, at least be honest.
What grounds have you to believe the Obamanistas didn't stage (manage) this whole elaborate Kabuki.
They ran the "Best PR Campaign In History" last year to get elected. They're no neophytes, and they have shown often enough they're unscrupulous (regard their handling of their many "liberal/left" constituencies, if you've any doubts as the that).
Obama was desperate for a victory (still is), something to kniock birfers, and teabaggers off the front pages/cabloid screens for a little while. Nothing like stroking the ol' Murkin jingoistic exceptionalism for changing the subject.
Evidently it is not only the Pukes who have a taste for Kool-aid.
So you're complaining because President Obama had the diplomatic skills to arrange a conspiracy that involved the North Korean government?
So who called Kim Jong-il personally? Rahm Emmanuel or George Soros? Oh, wait, maybe the North Korean branch of ACORN used their influence? No, wait, wait, I got it -- William Ayres and Rev. Wright secretly negotiated this trick months ago, before Obama was even President! GENIUS!!!
It's too bad Obama didn't go with the Republican strategy for recovering hostages, which is to ask the terrorists who kidnapped them to hold them until after the election, then sell them arms (and give the money to other terrorists). That Reagan sure was a patriot, wasn't he?
I averred NOTHING of what you attribute to me.
chuy!
That is such a lunatic right wing question. Fuck off Woody.
I was sitting here hoping that Woody forgot to add snark to his comment.
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education entitle him to receive.
"What grounds have you to believe the Obamanistas didn't stage (manage) this whole elaborate Kabuki."
The U.S. government has not successfully staged anything since the moon landing.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
What kind of nonsense is this: "What grounds have you to believe the Obamanistas didn't stage (manage) this whole elaborate Kabuki."
What kind of weasely, cowardly half-assertion is it to put "manage" in parentheses? Spit it out -- are you suggesting that they staged this, or aren't you? If all you're suggesting is that they put some PR polish on the event, that'd be a pretty thin accusation, especially considering how low-key the Obama Administration were about this, for obvious reasons. And why call it "kabuki"? How have they "often shown" that they're "unscrupulous". Ultimately, what are you trying to say? Don't blame me if you say nothing but use words that have connotations to do it.
I guess you'd be complaining less if Obama dressed up in a flight suit and pretended to land a fighter jet? Or if he posed in front of a big banner that said "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"? You'd be swooning and adjusting your shorts, I assume.
So Obama told Kim Jong Il to wit until these tea bagging low lifers start up so he could get some PR out of it. And just to show that Obama was serious he would send the Big Dawg fort a photo op. Yeah that's it. Save it for Free Republic Woody.
So let's pick two girls who just happen to work for a venture connected to Al Gore.
And speaking of being honest, you're going to put stock in what Dick Morris, John Bolton, Rush Limbaugh and others say?
That's just fucking pathetic.
Who could have guessed that Kim would happily play along with the US just to make Obama look good? That's a super duper stretch.
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Nothing like stroking the ol' Murkin jingoistic exceptionalism for changing the subject.
As the previous comments illustrate: QED
the craziest thing I've read on this blog.
Tin foil hat on a weeeeee bit tight today huh?
Don't mind woody
He still believes the
Landing in America by Columbus
Was faked.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
He doesn't believe the Americans faked the Columbus landing.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Wouldn't that have been left to the native Americans to do that on their stage with their lights etc?
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but by whom? The Italians or the Spanish?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
The country is named after Amerigo Vespucci.....you do the math.
;)
This country is not called Vespucci. At least if it is, I missed it. Vespucci the Beautiful? I don't sink so.
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Every week I watch Vespucci Idol, thank you.
Paula Abdulla got fired.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...doesn't sound to bad if I can do it with Paula.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Nice.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Who only drew the first inaccurate map, and never step foot here.
It sounds strangely similar to the region of France called Armorica.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The French will be claiming credit and trying to steal the name just like they did with that tasty Belgian tater dish.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Sounds like a car-care product.
That's
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/news-images/ty...
But I've often felt the same.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
after some guy who invented the dopey MoPed?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
They were very forward thinkers. Just think about the ipod. William of Ipod was also very much ahead of his time.
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Even Sarah Palin know Ipod is just a country, not a continent. It has hungry markets, though. You betcha.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Thu, 08/06/2009 - 13:28 — pissed off patricia
They were very forward thinkers. Just think about the ipod. William of Ipod was also very much ahead of his time.
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Speaking of being ahead of their time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFnSxeDfENk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It was faked by the Native Americans and by Negroes in order to either receive free land, quotas and/or welfare.
A plot 300 years in the making!
BRILLIANT!!
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
and a mule.
their desire to find their way from savagery to salvation, even if they did have to get venereal disease along the way.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
. . . being discovered, finding salvation and getting venereal disease, only the latter was any fun.
if this was obama stagecraft, why not come out and take credit for it? why have hillary out there saying that bill was acting as a private citizen?
i do realize that the obama team worked on this behind the scenes for months, but why not trumpet that fact?
[that said, i definitely agree with some of your obama complaints in regards to his campaign team snookering a lot of people, fwiw]
What PROOF do you have that they did?
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
...of the doubt yesterday, but today you really sound like a whiner.
You can't back up one word of any of that, save claiming that it is your opinion. You know what? Maybe you should buy a new domain, or just get a blogspot address, post all of the above, then link back to it so that you can claim to have a source for all of this nonsense.
I mean, seriously, hyperbole and venting is par for the course here, I like to blow off steam too, but I don't see the need for your vitriol. At the very least, I don't see why you think you might get any kind of positive feedback. MAYBE some equally caustic attention....
OOhhhhhhh. I get it now.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
If only they were blond midwesterners from good families, and they were rescued with guns blazing by the former captain of the football team, killing several hundred of those brown-skinned foreigners in the process, would they find something positive in such a story.
Oh yes, it's gotta be just another setup to make Dubya look bad.
And Fatty McBoomBoom already wonders if Clinton hit on the ladies on the way home. He's just wishing he could hit on someone who wouldn't call the cops.
the trip has been described as being a private journey, not a trip directed by the obama admin, and apart from the US govt...
Administration officials said Mr. Clinton went to North Korea as a private citizen, did not carry a message from Mr. Obama for Mr. Kim and had the authority to negotiate only for the women’s release.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/asia/...
interesting...
Oh, but they were Democratic plants. Don't you know that they work for Al Gore? And that Dem Bubba Clinton came to rescue them under orders from that Dem Obama?
I want to know what kind of "plants" they were....marijuana plants?
Many questions have been raised as to why Hillary Clinton did not get this North Korean assignment. Personally, I don't think she could have pulled it off. Now I'm not saying she is not capable. Not at all. I'm just saying that she doesn't have the international clout that former President Bill Clinton does. Further, Kim Jong Il is well known to have a stash of women at his disposal and may not have taken her seriously given his views on women as being his personal play things.
I'm not trying to sound sexist here but in some places sexism is a reality whether we agree with it or not and North Korea seems to be one of those places.
The two women had gotten hold of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate and were over there trying to bury it so it would never be found. They were taken prisoner before they could dig the hole and now it was the property of N. Korea. Kim called Bill Clinton and told him what he had. Clinton said he would bring him two nukes and a bottle of vitamins if he would release the ladies and hand over the birth certificate. The rest is history.
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These women are not "American journalists."
They are not blonde, so they are not from FOX.
They are not named O'Donnell so they can't be from NBC.
They are not fat, stupid, or ugly, so they cannot be from CNN.
They currently work for an ex Vice President not formerly worked for an ex- President, so they cannot be from ABC.
Nobody admits they work for CBS anymore.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I work for CBS. :P
(That used to mean something, somewhere, once upon a time.)
"you're just some anonymous commenter."
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
if we've met. I worked at KPIX for about a year or so, doing Chyron. I wish I still did, I enjoyed it there.
I suppose if that is so, the republicans are the fertilizer they grew in?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I'm glad those women are home and are safe.
Drudgereport did have the link to this article.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08062009/news/nat...
WASHINGTON -- Bill Clinton's triumphant return from North Korea with two rescued US journalists had Hollywood written all over it -- from the Burbank airport to the big-time producer who bankrolled the expedition to the celebrity public-relations firm that orchestrated the homecoming.
A key player in Clinton's high-flying diplomatic mission to rescue Laura Ling and Euna Lee was entertainment mogul Steve Bing, a longtime "Friend of Bill" who lent the ex-president his private Boeing 737.
But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. Authenic capture, scripted rescues.
This reminds me of the Jessica Lynch Rescue being scripted by Jerry Bruckheimer. The camera angles and flash bangs ect. To bad many of the guys who who resuced Private lynch are dead.
The truth got out so they were taken out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jessica+...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jerry+br...
http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/jessicas-res...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/may/15/i...
The Toronto Star's story took on new life when the BBC aired a documentary claiming the military's version of the raid was false. The documentary said the Lynch rescue represented "one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived." BBC reporter John Kampfner charged that the Pentagon had fallen under the influence of Hollywood producer Jerry Bruckheimer. He said Bruckheimer convinced the Pentagon to concentrate on "visuals," even at the expense of the actual facts.
be under your bridge, rather than posting Drudge garbage?
to see how it was going to tie to Vince Foster.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Somehow watermelons must be involved. It is a shame Republicans cannot conduct congressional oversight hearings.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
drudgereport, NYPost, and something about hollywood?
oy oy oy
it's Trollywood.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Total plants ........ oh yes, actually democratic spies raised in irai-is-stan to spy on the true american values of the republicans .......
The Pyongyang Candidates
Hmm, another non-news post from C&L. Is there really nothing else to report other than idle speculation?
How you lump "gay" in with corrupt, criminal, lying, hate and racism.
Thanks.
I don't think he meant it that way. I think he meant "closeted gay hypocrites who try to shove their morality on everyone else".
I don't think he meant it that way. I think he meant "closeted gay hypocrites who try to shove their throbbing, twitching morality on everyone else".
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It doesn't come across that way.
No offense, but maybe heteros need to think before they type.
This "gay=negative term" has gone on far too long. And I see it far too often amongst "liberals" as well as conservatives.
The "girls" were investigating sex trafficking, which is: 1. not valid news 2. not covered by rugged reporters in flack jackets 3. the only way guys like Limprod can get laid.
Those evil feminazis journalists. They make Limprod and the rest of Foxes undoable males sooooo uncomfortable. Investigating sex trafficking. How dare they! How dare they!
I often wonder how Bill Clinton's presidency would have gone had the internet been as prominent as it is now.
I'm not defending his weaker moments, like the Lewinsky scandal, but if bloggers like C&L and Firedog Lake and Media Matters had been around then, it would have been easier to refute the lies about Whitewater. Hilary's health care initiative would have gotten a fairer look because we wouldn't have had to rely on corporate-owned media which lied all the way and destroyed it and made Hilary appear to be a pariah. And NAFTA would have probably been not been rammed down out throats, either.
There was no independent media then, men like Seymour Hersh and Glenn Greenwald today. As much garbage and silliness the Internet has brought, it is a source of news and truth outside the Beltway blabbers and sycophants.
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