Bill O'Reilly says that Secular Progressives will want to revoke Christmas as a federal holiday
By John Amato Thursday Dec 11, 2008 10:31am
You are reading the headline correctly. Bill O'Reilly really has no material to work with on his phony "War on Christmas" theme-based show, so he's resorted to just making sh&t up. F&F's Gretchen Carlson is all fired up too over the big Christmas crisis so far. The only incident that he's been really passionate about because -- there ain't nothin' to complain about anywhere else -- is in Washington state. David gives you the back story:
According to Bill O'Reilly, it's the fact that an atheist group was permitted to erect a holiday display alongside a Nativity scene at the state Capitol in Washington state...read on
What really got Gretchen was a possible exhibit for the great "Festivus" holiday from Seinfield being proposed too. Hey, she can take only so much.
Carlson: When they wanted to do Festivus, give me a break.
O'Reilly: This is a mocking of Gregoire...
Carlson: To me that was the final straw today because Bill, what is going to be next?
O'Reilly: What's going to be next is in our secular progressive society they are going to try and revoke the federal holiday. You wait and see. That's going to come.
Carlson: That's what I said. Jesus is taking a back seat.
They're going to say separation of church and state, you can't have a federal holiday based on religion. You wait and see, that's what's going to be next.
Hey, I like Christmas and all, but Bill is speaking in "baby talk" over this stuff. We're assuming that most of us have jobs next year, what a moronic man who nobody likes, not even his boss. America doesn't get enough time off as it is and even if people objected to a federally mandated law based on it, I doubt they mind getting the time off from work. Oh, and Bill: Merry Christmas.
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Revoke Christmas as Federal Holiday.
But first, put O'Reilly on Pitcairn Island and throw away the map.
Why is C&L or anyone else wasting time on people like O'Reilly?
Let's juet quietly agree to ignore them, ok?
Because when you ignore them, like an untreated wound, they fester.
Pretty soon, you're sitting there with a gangrenous limb and wondering how the hell THAT happened.
Because this website is called "Crooks and Liars". Crooks, like the current administration that has festered well past its due date, and Liars, like BillO who have also festered well past their due dates.
Personally I come here to see what's going on in the Reichwing culture war, of which they are losing BADLY, as evidenced by the stench of desperation wafting through the airwaves.
This website is like crack, only better!
Christmas isn't even about religion anymore. It's all about a nationally mandated consumers day to give all those gifts you've been stocking up on all month.
There's actually been a Supreme Court case during the 70's (I think) that addressed this issue. A Jewish businessman raised the case, because he claimed it was religious discrimination to require him to give his employees Christmas day off, but no other holiday, particularly Jewish.
The court essentially said holidays, even religious ones, eventually get secularized, and that's what happened to Christmas.
Now if the conservatards were ever successful in makinig it religious again, unlikely, that would mean Courts are unlikely to make such a decision requiring the days off. Already, stores open that day for returns. I saw Dracula in 1992 on Christmas day (it sucked), and I was surprised the theatre was even open. Now it doesn't matter what day it falls on, there might be as many as five movies opening, even though they normally open on Wednesday and Friday only.
I was one of those poor bastards that had to work on Christmas in 1992.
... so I routinely work on holidays like Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, Independence Day, and Memorial Day.
Is it because Sumner Redstone, Mel Karmazin, and Les Moonves have been plotting, lo, these many years, to deprive me of Christmas?
Hardly.
Where's the War on Easter? The War on Lent?
O'Reilly is a hypocrite and a liar, but he's the most dangerous kind, because he's got an audience.
... Illustrates how irretrievably stupid Mr. Bloviated is.
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Yes, yes, yes, and breed them to provide infantrymen for the N American Caliphate that Obama plans to rule with Osama Bin Laden. Yes! Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaha!
our country will save so much money this year.
Maybe next year we can use it to purchase food and shelter.
But people just aren't buying much - almost everyone is seriously cutting back. And stores are closing by the boatload. Christmas is the only economic engine we have going right now. The collapse is going to come - but we might as well enjoy the holiday before it does.
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baby jesus has declared war on loofas
Let me clear my throat!
Fuck O'Lielly, Fuck Murdoch, and a big merry fuckin fuck you to faux noise!
Festivus for the rest of us!
wants nothing of the such. o'lielly deludes himself in thinking that secular progressives really spend that much time thinking about xmas when there are HUGE and actually important issues to tackle.
o'lielly needs to stop making this shit up.
So long as we still get time off.
We shouldn't have any federal holidays for religious reasons, it's crazy (literally).
Of course there are 1001 other things I would rather do before we got around to this unimportant issue, as you said.
need to stop making this shit up...I mean, the guy is around the bend to put it mildly. Midtown Manhattan sure looks chock-a-block with the usual Christmas decorations...he's nuts! He just pulls this crap out of his festering mind and then convinces...uh, who, exactly, that he's...defending them?
Jesus....
We need more time off in the US, so I am all in favor of federal holidays.
But, I don't think we should have any federal days off based on anyone's religion.
Just give us the week of Dec 25th off and call it whatever.
Whatevermas.
Mammonmas?
Christmas was outlawed in some colonies. December 25 was approved as a federal holiday in June 1870. (See: clerkkids.house.gov/laws/inspectLaw/inspect_TextAll.html) Notice the wording designates the date as "the twenty-fifth day of December, commonly called Christmas day," so saying that "Christmas is a federal holiday" is not quite accurate as to intent. Even the name of the Act does not say the word "Christmas." According to From Christmas in America: A History by Penne L. Restad (pages 104 and 96), "Louisiana was the first to declare it an official holiday. In 1837, it designated December 25 along with January 1, January 8, February 22, July 4, Sundays, and Good Friday as 'Day[s] of public rest and days of grace.' . . . Arkansas passed a similar law . . . in 1838."
How about we just abolish all holidays, so no one is happy. Seriously, I am so tired of people flipping complaining about any and everything they can, JUST because they can.
this comes off as a complaint against complaining.
now, just b/c you can complain about people complaining doesn't mean you should complain, hee hee
:-)
Ahh, crap. I should have caught that myself. Oh well.
-goes to complain about complainers some more- :D
'Bout time he got down off the dashboard and gave some other religion (or antireligion, as the case may be) a crack at that piece of prime real estate. Same as in public places.
Of course they're just PO'd b/c they're having to share, after all these years of having a monopoly.
Is BOR a total idiot or what?
even if he's just a little fuccker...
Jesus is going to take the back seat
Does he have a date?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ns8t9iQck
O'Reilly does this every year. every year the day after Thanksgiving - liberals and conservatives alike hit up mega sales at the butt crack of dawn, watch Christmas trees get lit up in town square, eat leftover turkey sandwiches get made, and roll their eyes at Bill O'Reilly while he makes a lot of noise about how liberals are working to stop those time-honored traditions.
Christmas will come and go and when it comes again, BillO will make the same crazy claims again.
I lioked it when Franken was on AirAmerica. He would let ORielly have it when he started this crap. I think there was even a War on XMas watch where he would "mark" the day that the war started. Made the whole thing a bigger joke than the "seriousness" with which BillO "reports" the war.
I for one an proud to be a secular progressive. Now excuse me while I play "silent night", my favorite non denominational carol.
... it looks to me like Billo and his Repug Retard friends are the ones who are guilty of eliminting a lot of our
"time-honored traditions" like:
- having a good-paying job
- health care and other benefits
- being able to buy good acyually made in America
- having our loved ones at home more than deployed in
stupid, useless wars
- etc., etc.
is driving the rightard/xian/flying-monkeys right the fuck outta their skulls. Halle-[phookin]-Loofah!
I could really care less about the religious aspects of christmas. I married a fine catholic (sorta) lady and as a family with the kids we celebrate xmas: her as her religious thing and with me as a time when we think about the least among us and when we can teach our kids that it is truly better to give than receive. And you know what? I love this time of year. The lights, the generally good feelings, the candy canes (oh lawd the candy canes); it's all fine to me. So call it christmas, call it helping happy day, call it Thursday of Significance. The point is that I don't get all hot and bothered because there's a nativity scene on the town common, I just don't care. I guess I don't know many people who think I need to be saved or something, so I don't get a lot of heat for my "secular progressive" ways. There are many more places I want religion gone before I get to holidays. So if BillO and his pals want to make this stuff up, fine. Knock your socks off. Publish a piece in the Paris Business Review for all I care. We're not after your holiday. Sorry about that.
See, that's what they don't get- we don't want to convert them. Evangelicals are obssessed with converting us heathens (you need to have saved this many souls to get into heaven), they can't imagine that we're not equally as obsessed with destroying their religion. The thought that we just don't care hasn't occurred to them. What's the opposite of love? Disinterest.
I love Christmas: the lights, the cookies, the little kids wrapped up in the magic of it all. I would't want to get rid of Christmas, I just want to get rid of the wingnuts.
I'm with you on this. I love Christmas with family and friends getting together. We don't go to church anymore but we put up a tree with lights and everything. We consider this a secular holiday. I'm one of those that always says HAPPY HOLIDAYS but I've never had anyone correct me and say I should say Merry Christmas instead. I love to watch the faces of the little ones in the family when they see the trees and presents. So HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE.
Since he knows that he and his wingnut clown buddies have nothing else to whine about ('cause NO ONE is listening) he's got to make up something else..
Billo is an IDIOT !!
The Freeper hate site aside, who believes this bullshit? My god is Faux News a laughing stock. Please keep it up right wing. We could use 65 Senators at the end of the 2010 election.
I agree that the atheist should celebrate their own holiday, AND that holiday has been given to them. That holiday is April 1st of every year: APRIL FOOLS DAY! Now, you don't see mangers on their holiday, they should keep their "fools symbols" out of the Christmas holiday. It just doesn't work. Festivus should be held on April 1st too. That's just plain fair.
O'Reily is just a bald headed paranoid. He's not even Christian, what's he complaining about?
Why can't I have wreaths?
if you eat your vegetables, you can have a wreath.
Can't you see what is happening? This is a non issue but it is the only thing O'Shithead has. It is phony. O'Shithead knows its phony. He doesn't care because all he wants is the airtime. Like making it a topic on this blog. Who the fuck cares about this crap? I'll tell you who. O'Shithead's audience and that is it. 82 year old great grandmas from Kansas. I'm sure they are very concerned about this but you, me, your friends, your friend's friends... Nobody gives a shit. It is so phony there is no reason to even post it. O'Shithead sits in his office and thinks of these phony crap to get his stupid audience riled up. Man, this nonsense is in it's third year and it still as phony as it wa the first year. For Christ's sake but it to rest.
Whassee doin' with his fingers,
Describing the size of Bubba's d**k again?
Xmas wish.
Only Bubba would find one of his condoms is big enough to be a Christmas stocking.
Fill this one for me:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Actually he's describing the size of the Jesus fish he almost bought for the back of his car.
You can literally hear the scraping of the bottom of the barrel when borly speaks. He is the poster child for "I got nuthin'".
And for all the 'we have to save xian humanity' crap that this idiot spews he seems to forget that his magical make believe jebus baby wouldn't have given two shits about what anyone did on the day of his birth... oh which was actually in June or so it has been calculated.
Can someone please read a book to this moron and educate him on why the winter solstice was used to celebrate the make believe savior day?
Who am I kidding? Facts don't enter into borly's tiny little world.
... he's a voice in the wilderness like John the Baptist.
Of course, we all know what happened to John. His head got served on a platter after Herod got a lap dance from Salome.
Bill-O better hope ol' Rupert doesn't frequent strip clubs ...
If BillO wasn't bitching about something, no one would notice he was there.
I don't care if my neighbor puts a ton of nativity scenes all over her yard, just as long as I'm not required to do likewise.
Xmas lights are the best part of the whole thing. It brightens up the darkest days of winter. I only wish people would leave them up longer.
You would love my next door neighbor, she leaves all her lighted stuff up until sometime toward the end of January. I'm sure Florida Power and Light loves her too.
Bah humbug.
My parents and their families always left their lights up late, Jan 6th I think... it has to do with the celebration of xmas in the "old country" or Eastern Europe where most of my family is from. Their parents did it, so they did as well.
You can still see neighborhoods here that keep the tradition. Though there are only a few left now.
we did it like that too...but we were just lazy.
I admire your honesty and to me it shows integrity. In addition, I'm sure your action and or inaction, is very common and I for one can relate. Thanks :-)
Is the Epiphany. The day the Magi showed up.
Make that 67 senators for votes requiring a 2/3 majority and let us not forget constitutional amendments.
Faux News declared unconstitutional!
I can dream.
Poor Gretchen. When Fox folds she'll have to decide whether to leave a hole in her resume for the time spent lying on that channel, or to hold her head up high and say she'll a journalist second, team player first!
Fuck Jesus.
Ok, now I'm going to hell.
God only exists to make us feel better about our pathetic miserable little lives. Let go of God and your soul will truly be freed.
Slime like Bill-O is going to heaven? That disproves God's existence right there.
BillO, you gotta be pretty damned brave to fight a straw man, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xNA8seaqGQ
"No. Really Andrea! It's THIS LONG!
FUCK IT! We'll do it LIVE!!111!!!!
That is super funny!!!..lol. What ol billo is really saying is: 'Make something up!, I WANT ATTENTION!!!..his ratings are tanking..lol
The right wing has had a strategy for years of accusing "liberals" or "them" of things that are actually quite logical, but they repeat the accusations over and over in such tones of outrage and dread that "liberals" start to deny that they would ever do such a thing. Remember accusations in the 90s that "they" were gonna outlaw SUVs and other gas-guzzlers? A great idea and one that should probably have been implemented, but the accused scurried away saying "No, we wouldn't!" The worst was when they turned the word liberal into a scare word in the early 90s by accusing people of it in the same way: "You're a liberal! You're a liberal!!" And Democrats et al went scurrying saying "No, we're not" and now people are still nervous about the word. It's the same with this issue and with the accusation that "liberals" won't say "Merry Christmas". They're right. This liberal, for one, would if given the chance remove all religious holidays from the federal calendar. And I don't say "Merry Christmas" except accidentally. Don't do what they want you to do, and please stand up for yourself. Don't just automatically deny whatever they're accusing you of. They're just trying to "head us off at the pass", as it were, from doing the right thing.
You know what would really worry O'Dipshit? If no left wing blogs posted anything about him for a month (or two). If Olbermann didn't mention his name for a month. If the left wing declined to go on his show for a month. Just decline respectfully like they have something else to do. Kieth can ignore him and skewer somebody else for a month. If O'Dipshit came to these blogs to see his name in print and there was no O'Dipshit anywhere to be seen he would stroke out before the month was up. I know this site ignores some of these assholes and they should try it with O'Reilly for a while. You don't see hardly any Hannity here or John Gibson or Glen Beck etc etc. I know every once in a while but if you watch or listen to their shows, every day about 15 times a day there is something that could be posted as an example of how screwed up they are. Why bother? Try ignoring O'Numbnuts for a month.
But he's just so much fun to play with.
He must be really bored counting all those millions. Yo, Bill, Christmas as a holiday is not in danger.
However, Christmas as a marketing gimmick, yes, is in trouble.
Yeah the stores would never let xmas die. Though they are going to end up on borly's hit list for daring to allow other mid winter holidays a place on the shelf as it were. Lol.
Right on, Marge.
I forgot to add:
Perhaps it's because of greedy pricks forcing Christmas down our throats at the end of October, even before the Halloween decorations have come down? Or the greedy credit card companies encouraging Americans to "build their credit" by spending themselves into poverty?
Perhaps.
How's this for an X-mas gift for billo?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/325298721_...
I don't know... does it come with a loofa? XD
lmao.
The accuracy is astonishing. :-)
Jeezus! What a moron O'Reilly is... Listen Billo, (And I'm addressing you directly because if your ego is as monstrous as I believe it to be, I have no doubt you - or one of your flunkies at least -- is reading this blog: As a confirmed, lifetime atheist, I love Christmas. I think it's a lot of fun for kids and adults alike, and I really enjoy taking time off over the Christmas Holidays to mentally clear the slate and get ready for the coming year. We're not after Christmas, so go find something else to get your lufa bent over. (And by the way, Billo -- it's a FREE country. You display one thing, you gotta display the others in the interest of fair play. So there's nothing at all wrong with putting up an atheistic display next to a manger scene. Sorry.)
Every word of your comment speaks for me as well.
Had I said that...y'all know there would be ALOT more F-bombs!
The good news is that you can stockpile those F-bombs for later comments. Every cloud and the silver lining thing, ya know.
And you just KNOW I'm savin 'em up too!
But I'd prefer to be a Secular Progressive than a Theocratic Regressive.
So would I.
I wonder where that leaves people like me, the theocratic progressives?
-edit- Maybe Religious progressives sounds better?
And FURTHERMORE...
I'd rather have bottle in front o' me, than a frontal lobotomy!!!
If Jack Nicholson's to be believed in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, in either case you end up drooling.
But...one is by choice and one can recover from it and the other...not so much...
Add me to this list.
OK...got that...keeping religion out of politics...as it friggin' should be
Sooo.....if you add the two together, Bill'o is as usual spouting crap out his ears. What a shock.
WSWJSI??
(Which seat would Jesus sit in?)
I have seen bumper stickers saying, "Jesus is my co-pilot" So I'm guessing he sits on the passenger side for now. Maybe he would enjoy sitting in the back seat and just relaxing.
Here in Australia the conservatives were booted out a year ago. About one minute after the election the right-wing columnists immediately began resuscitating all their old culture war BS from the 90's. "Political correctness" ad nauseum. They are still droning on with this stuff.
Get ready for much, much more. After the total collapse of the rest of the far-right agenda, it's all they have left.
A federal holiday is simply a day that federal employees are entitled to have off from work. There are no national holidays; i.e. days that every worker is entitled to have off.
Way back in the stone ages when I used to work at the phone company, I worked every single Christmas day that I was employed there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o
Mine was that sweet voice that said, "Operator". This was near the end of operators at the phone company. I was so young and for some reason, I loved that job.
Cool. I was the male voice that said "Fort Benning information, how can I help you" for about 7 months back in 1982.
Is your refrigerator running?
For YEARS when I was a kid...ah good times...good times!
"Shasta County general information, how can I help you?"
Boy, that was a lifetime ago.
On the holiday issue, our family celebrates the opportunity to visit and spend time being together from about Dec. 21 (Winter Solstice) thru about Jan. 1st. We have friends and family from many different backgrounds, (religious and non), and they tend to filter thru on their respective days and stay for food and good music or movies.
Christmas, as most people in the United States celebrate the day, is a secular holiday. There may be illustrations of Jesus on some Christmas cards, but the potlatch-style gift exchanges, the gorging at the feast table, and massive alcohol consumption pretty much describe the modern holiday.
The credit for this can be put to television and popular culture. The Dickensian Christmases of the past are gone, and maybe never were; but that's the model. You can be like the Cratchits and celebrate modestly, or you can go all out like Scrooge's nephew. Do things that make you happy.
Wish it twere sexular.
If there's anything secular progressives are all about it's forcing people to work more.
Now Bill could be worried that we're not going to eliminate Holiday Day but that we're going to attempt to rename it. He's right too. The top five alternative names from secularprogressivesagainstholidayday dot com are:
1) Naughty Priest Day
2) Death to Christians Day
3) Go Gay Day
4) Kill a Fetus Day
5) Work More Day
Join in the war comrades!
All I want for X-mas this year:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_1/yo...
Good choice! Can I get the newer model of the same?
Ok
That would be terrible.
I have a similar pic of myself from a Halloween party where I went as a hooker. Fishnet stockings, a black cape, a long black cigarette holder and a whip. The pic was taken while I was sitting in a wicker peacock chair.
Would've been even better if the chair were rattan.
A cross between a hooker, Dracula, The Penguin and Oh Wicked Wanda?
Where's the pics? };D>
I agree, p.o.p. - cough up the pix!
Yeah, because secular progressives are well known to hate time off and always feel compelled to pursue impossible goals.
BillO -- THE DUMBEST PERSON IN THE WORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLD!!!
A very Merry Noodle Season everyone!!!
...And a happy pasta, presents and future to you!
Not Tuna.
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Is he still alive? I thought I heard he had died from popped blood vessel in his head or something?
... the House passed H.R. 847 'Recognizing the importance of Christmas and Christianity' (sponsored by Iowa's Rep. Steve King).
Where's this liberal progressive conspiracy that's gonna take away your plastic Jesus and make you perform obeisance to Satan?
Nowhere, 'cause it doesn't exist. The only thing that's real is a pathetic little s--t with delusions of journalistic integrity.
Anyways, life goes on.
Besides, Jesus was most certainly NOT the "Son of God". This "fact" was invented by the Council of Nicea in 325 by the Emporer Constantine in order to deify Jesus and take over the cult that he had formed. Jesus was, in fact, a Gnostic mystic who taught his followers the Divine nature of humanity and how one could escape this imperfect physical reality through direct esoteric experience of the Supreme Being (God). Essentially Christianity is a perversion of these teachings and has been used to control people for the past 2000 years.
Check out "The Gnostic Gospels" or "The Secret Teaching of Jesus Christ"
If he even existed.
Thassa difference between esoteric and exoteric religion.
http://amber.wolfpictures.co.uk/images/tarot/...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
Right, because the gnostic gospels, which came a few hundred years after Jesus was even around, are more reliable than sources from within 50 years of his life?
You shouldn't trust any book you read. Those books have been debunked numerous times by real scholars. :)
The earliest I heard was Revelations at 75 years after the execution by the state. Probably written by followers of John, since he'd be over a hundred, and so never met Jesus (if he existed.) No portion of the Bible has ever been found before about 150 bce for the Old Testatment and 4th-8th century New Testament.
Happy Pasta
FagioliFazoo (and tentacles, too)!I get sick and tired of hearing Christians like Billo cry victim, or claim they are the ones being oppressed.
Right wing Christians in this country do nothing but preach hatred and oppression of others- they really need to look in the mirror
...when he talks to himself?
Christmas trees. --Many other Christmas traditions have their roots in pagan practices, such as the holly wreath, a fertility symbol. Even the date of Christmas, near the winter solstice, is linked to sun worship. Modern Christians have stolen Christmas from the pagans.
"Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. . . . They are altogether brutish and foolish." (Jeremiah 10:2-8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xB4W8thG28
On Speed dial! :-) Luv it...
Would that be the same Gretchen Carlson who was fired from her job and run out of Richmond, Virginia for having an affair with a married co-host on the local news? Family Values took a back seat to hot-pants.
The male co-host's family exploded in divorce, of course there were children involved.
Probably not the same Gretchen Carlson, the one in Richmond was a former Miss America or Miss USA or something.
Just wondering
Children involved with the divorce or the hot pants?
Christmas should NOT be a national holiday! I don't celebrate it. It's not part of my "cultural heritage", and I don't want it to be (aside from the fact that the display of greed and materialism is really disgusting) Yet even though I am willing to work on December 25, I can't...and yet I would like to have MY holidays off with pay and can't get that either. If I say to people "I don't celebrate Christmas" they call me a "scrooge" and other much more unpleasant names, like I have to be forced to conform to their "Christian" society. This is FUCKING OFFENSIVE!
Christmas has always been a family holiday. A family traditionally means one man and one woman, their fourteen or fifteen dozen children, and the Good LORD-All-Mighty. I have nothing against homosexuals. If a man wants for stuff another mans stocking full of chocolate; more power to him. I just feel that they shouldn't call it Christmas. Maybe they could drink their egg-nog and call it a "Civil Gift-giving.
If so...I totally missed the humorous portion of the joke.
Wait! You're channeling Billo right? OK..now I get it.
Happy Holidays Bill!
I'm a secular progressive and I LOVE christmas. The holiday has no religious meaning for us here - but I would argue that might put us in the majority in the US.
We celebrate it every year and will continue to do so.
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I'm going to apologize in advance to all the Irish Americans out there, but I gotta tell you, the term "Irish asshole" was invented for real morons like O'Rielly. And I oughta know, I'm half Irish and this spudbrain O'Rielly is an embarrassment.
Puts me in mind how Quayle referred to the character Murphy Brown's out-of-wedlock pregnancy as the downfall of American civilization. She was a television character and Festivus was a made-up holiday by fictional television characters! What's with these righties referring to television fiction as reality? They are just so dim.
As for BillO, his bloviating has nothing to do (really) with religion and everything to do with shilling for big retail. BTW, there's no way American workers will stand for anyone taking away Christmas, however consumeresque it is, as a holiday.
I'd support revoking Christmas as a federal holiday, same thing for Good friday, if that is a holiday. No other religion's holy or sacred day's qualify as federal holidays. Far as I'm concerned, it's an attempt to impose a state religion.
Jeez I hope Bill doesn't find out about the real Liberal agenda concerning killing Christmas.Every December 25,we're gonna strip naked,cover ourselves in feces,burn Santa in effigy on an upside down cross facing Mecca and praise Satan.Then the really good stuff will begin...
Gretchen's grandfather was a minister? Well that explains part of how she got f*cked up.
Secular progressive society? I thought we were a center right society? These reich wing loons are too stupid to realize when their talking points contradict.
Religion is a cancer on society. Any society. It serves no purpose other than to sew hatred, bigotry, fear, division and even violence based on superstition and ignorance. We will be well on our way to worldwide advanced civilizations when religion is banished from the globe.
Let Christmas be an example of what happens to religion when government gets involved. True Christian are the one's who should be advocating for the removal of Christmas as a federal holiday. So instead of demanding that everyone simply accept Christmas as a religious holiday in this very diverse country they shou;ld be demanding that government get out of the religuous holiday business in the first place. It's really rather simple....but alas it's not about Christmas...it's about IMPOSING Christianity onto everyone...weather they like it or not. It's about making a Christian holy day and federal holiday so they can say, "this is a CHRISTIAN NATION!!"
...and while your at it get "In God We Trust" off our money and "One nation under God" out of the pledge of allegiance. Neither we there originally until the Christ-o-fascists put them there.
By an Act of Congress, U.S. currency has carried the motto "In God We Trust" since 1957. In 1955, Congress passed a law requiring that "In God We Trust" appear on all U.S. coins and currency. The first paper currency with the motto appeared in 1957. This was right after the McCarthy era, during the early Cold War, when no congressperson would dare be seen voting against "God." "In God We Trust" did appear occasionally on a few coins, starting with a 2-cent piece in the 1860s, in an attempt (it is surmised) to put "God" on the side of the north during the Civil War. In 1956, an Act of Congress adopted "In God We Trust" as a national motto. The original motto, "E Pluribus Unum" ("out of many, [come] one,") celebrating plurality, still appears on the Presidential Seal and on some paper currency.
addendum: Anti-terror law requires God be acknowledged.
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The Pledge of Allegiance, first published in 1892, has included the words "under God" since 1954. As with "In God We Trust," "under God" is also a Johnny-come-lately. It was inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance during the McCarthy era. The original pledge was first published on September 8, 1892 in the magazine "Youth's Companion" with no reference to a deity.
addendum: The Knights of Columbus: is the world's largest Catholic fraternal service organization. Founded in the United States in 1882. - In 1954, lobbying by the Order helped convince the U.S. Congress to add the phrase "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. President Dwight Eisenhower wrote to Supreme Knight Luke E. Hart thanking the Knights for their "part in the movement to have the words 'under God' added to our Pledge of Allegiance.
It's about Christians marking their territory.
U.S. treaty signed by President Adams. In 1797 the United States entered into a treaty with Tripoli, in which it was declared:
"As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity [sic] of Musselmen . . . it is declared . . . that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." This treaty was written under Washington's presidency, and it was ratified by Congress under John Adams, signed by Adams.
a kid growing up in the bay area, WITHOUT the 'under God' bit. When I moved to northern california, I was thrown off my first morning in school, as the pledge they repeated had the added part. I was 10 at the time, and still remember feeling like someone was trying to pull a fast one on me.
And at ten years old, very perceptive I would add... You should have been awarded a gold star and extended recess :-)
Favorite Christian poem. I think I remember this from an Edward Abbey novel, sorry about the nursery rhyme meter.
There was an old bugger named God
who got a young virgin in prod
this erratic behaviour
gave us Jesus the Saviour
who died on a cross the poor slob.
Oh yeah, I just detest getting a day off from work. Horrid....
Is he kidding?
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Oh please, Bill. I'm an atheist and I LOOOOOOOOOOOVE Christmas!!!
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What is it with the holidays? All the Fox Ass Clowns come out to ruin the holiday for everyone! WTF is that all about? Making up a bunch of false nonsense just to get their wackjob audience riled up. I'd like Santa and Baby Ninja Jesus to kick the snot out of Bill-O and friends on Xmas nite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWoHzL6n-w
Interesting, well apparently some "Christians" and/or "Republicans" want us to believe that they are the protector that of all that is good. Pay attention this is where it gets tricky. Marriage and Christmas, just to name a couple. But we commie liberals want to ban everything. How does this jive with the past? you know things like voter suppression, woman's rights, miscegenation and ban gay marriage. Color me stupid, but aren't these all those things that people who claim to be "Christ Like" and/or "Republicans" were behind? Seems to me these people do not understand what projection is. Christmas dishonors Christ! many say that they are “honoring Christ” in their Christmas-keeping. The problem is that God does not say this is acceptable to Him! Actually, He plainly commands against it! Christ said, “But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9). Christmas is not a command of God—it is a tradition of men. Christ continued, “Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition” (Mark 7:9). Every year, throughout the world, on December 25th, hundreds of millions do just that! Seems to to me it's just another "tradition" they have hijacked and want it done their way and only their way! Read More Here http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooc.html
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