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Brit Hume got very honest for a change on FNS when he closed his "gold buying" rant by the rich with this:

...they fear a wave of inflation or hyper inflation, so the people who are voting with their money are not voting in favor of these policies.

Decoded: The very rich hate Obama just like they hated FDR. Under FDR we saw the expansion of the middle class and a shrinking of the Court of American Royalty.

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gemzenith's picture

I really wish the wealthy would get over themselves,you can't take it with you when you die.They remind me of that old Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny Cartoon with Hassan Chop and how Daffy ends up being shrunken by the Genie and in the end he's hugging the pearl while Bugs says "Oh brother Close Sesame"So greedy.

Andy K's picture

You're appropriately referring to this.

pissed off patricia's picture

Maybe the rich should get over themselves.


Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.

Pericles's picture
But

Why should they? They're SUPERIOR. (Didn't you ever read Atlas Shrugged? --no, wait a minute. You clearly still have the ability to think straight, so I guess you couldn't have read it.)

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

I cannot watch this pompous ass so I will take your word for it.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

constituent's picture

i won't watch this video. this dude is predictable. he's trying to get "rich" people to "hate" obama. what ashame "rich" people can't have their way ALL the time. these issues often move in cycles. it's NOT linear for anyone. warren buffet has identitied there is too much of a income gap. it's a FACT wages have been stagnant. it's a FACT the trade deficit/surplus is way out of wack. it's a FACT our economy is too dependent on consumerism. it's a FACT many "RICH" don't pay their fair share (according to the law) of TAXES. it's a FACT that "cheap labor" is a burden to tax payers. it's a FACT that the cost of occurred healthCare by people without healthCare is a TAX. we are being TAXed more than we know.

Georgette Orwell's picture

I do know several extremely well-off people who believe they get what they pay for and agree with Joe Biden that paying taxes is patriotic. Despite all the rabblerousing, the extra they'll pay really isn't that onerous, and a lot of them remember when they were in a much higher tax bracket. They'd be perfectly happy if taxes were to fall, but they know they're luckier than most and put country first.
Perhaps when Hume generalizes about rich people he's talking only about his cohorts in the bubble.

RobertD's picture

And I thought Hume was quitting. That would be better than any "bailout" I could receive.

Greup's picture

"...they fear a wave of inflation or hyper inflation, so the people who are voting with their money are not voting in favor of these policies."

Yhe REAL problem with that quote is of course that inflation is (in all probability) the only REAL solution to the problem that Bushco created.

The magnitude of the problem is demonstrated by the calculated debts of 150 trillion dollars in the US market. The feds have sofar thrown 0,7 trillion at it.

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Here is my previous comment.

Here is my report on the AIG swindle and the larger 'Bailout' that is swindle.

excerpt:

DO NOT FORGET. The 'Stimulus' as big as it is, is chump change compared to the bailout.

Here is the CNN scorecard on the bailout. $11.5 trillion committed and $2.2 trillion spent although I think that number is low.

Compared to $787 billion in the Stimulus much of which is tax cuts.

Obama's budget asks for another $750 billion for the Banksters.

Putting the entire 'Bailout' to over $12 trillion committed. I said at the begging they would $20 trillion for all the crap that was on the Banks phony balance sheets.

The Corporatist Fat Cat Wall Street Bankers are happy to intertwine the two and confuse the issues.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

Right Wing Hater's picture

So its a given they hate others...

:)


We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?

Bob Roberts's picture

doesn't Hume just mean that the ultra wealthy are accelerating the rate at which they are moving their assets overseas?

As for suggesting the wealthy should just get over themselves, I think most of them are just doing what comes naturally. It's human nature to want to preserve as much as possible of what you've "worked" for. Since money = power, the ultra rich are just generally better able to preserve what they have than are the rest of us. That doesn't make hoarding any more moral than banding together to redistribute assets.

That's how life works. The rich accumulate political power and try to use it to increase their wealth. Everyone else bands together and tries to use collective action to redistribute part of that wealth.

RobertD's picture

I don't think "redistribution" has anything to do with it. This is a matter of people paying their fair share.

People who are rich should be paying higher taxes than they are. *Corporations* should be paying MUCH higher taxes, because in some states they pay virtually nothing. These are especially true in states with high sales taxes, which are completely regressive, hurting those most who make the least.

right on_exclamation point here's picture

what I was thinking... People who make more money, should be paying more taxes and you're right about Corporations... they should be paying much higher taxes!!!

kasinca's picture

Well the minority who Bret represents is a huge minority and the majority of Americans agree with the president. When will the repugs take a seat at the rear and allow the grown ups to run the business of the people.

Yes, but it's not even true. I'm sure there are rich people who support the budget. Buffett? Soros? Gates?

It's not 'getting honest'. It's more FOX lies.

Captain Renault's picture

Really, how stupid can people be? Try reducing this argument to the basic denominator.

If one person has all of the money in our country, he/she then pays all of the taxes. By Brit's reasoning, the rest of the penniless people should feel sympathy for the fact that this person pays such a disproportionate share of the tax burden.

Now extrapolate from the one and the rest of us to get a grasp of the snake oil these shysters are selling. The simple fact is, even given our progressive tax structure, you get a more even tax distribution when wealth and income are less concentrated.

I'll give the "power elite" this much though. They've framed the argument so successfully that people don't even see the obvious, that these characters want it both ways, all the wealth and income and no or low taxes to boot.

sled_dog's picture
LibertyLover's picture

but without a middle class, you can't really call it a Democracy.


Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.

Original Col Kilgore's picture
???

People really care what Shit Fumes thinks ? I sure dont.

Remind me why Obama got more in campaign contributions from the ultra elite bankers and financiers than any other candidate? Did they hate him?

Pericles's picture
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What numbers are you quoting here? Please provide a link.

(Hopefully not one that points out the ratio of contributions from Wall Street EMPLOYEES for McCain vs. Obama. That gimmick has lost its shine. Wall Street employees are not the same as "elite bankers and financiers.")

ConcernedCanuck's picture
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Orangutan.'s picture

I doubt that's true. I'd like to see a statistic on rich people voting for Obama vs. Bush. I'm sure a lot of rich people understood the idiocy of the Bush Administration and their policies.

Brit Hume is not a credible journalist. In fact he is a pathetic liar and everything he utters needs to be scrutinized and verified.

Why the Wealthy Voted for Obama ~ The Wall Street Journal.

Nov. 5th, 2008

Among the demographic groups that helped Sen. Barack Obama cross the finish line last night were the affluent and wealthy–the very voters who could become the target of tax increases promised during Sen. Obama’s campaign.

Exit polls show Sen. Obama did best among two main wealth brackets–the bottom and the top. (The middle was split about evenly). According to the polls, Sen. Obama won 60% of the votes of those with family income of less than $50,000.


He also won 52% of the votes of those earning $200,000 or more. That compares with Sen. John McCain’s 46% showing for the same group. Sen. Obama’s showing among the affluent is about 15% better than Sen. Kerry’s did with wealthy voters four years ago.

Pericles's picture

There are two different issues here:

1. Brit Hume is full of shit. (That's a given.) He's not in a position to know what the rich are thinking. However, when he talks of the rich, he's literally talking about the top 1% that DOES control 40% of the wealth. While the Wall Street Journal points to numers for "200K and above" it doesn't specifically say anything about the top 1%. Unless somebody asked Dick Cheney who he voted for on the way out of the booth, I'd say you'd have to stand around for a long time before you'd run in to one of these "one percenters" at an exit poll. But my guess is that "the rich" as defined by the top 1% (and excluding George Soros) are Republican supporters.

2. Upper income professionals (in that 200K+ bracket) are big Democratic supporters. (ie-Lawyers, as the right wingers love to point out.) That was true of both Obama and Kerry. It should also be a point of pride that the most educated people are willing to vote against their own financial interests, knowing they'll be taxed more, for what they perceive to be the greater good of the country.

David L. Hill's picture

It reminds me of an episode of 'Murphy Brown' when Murphy and the gang are talking about politics and lets face it, they were liberals, which is fine. But somewhere in the conversation she says 'As much as we want to support the president, didnt you resent having to pay more taxes?' And she's talking to other rich people. Obama and FDR are/were the same way.

I promise you though, there's not a single rich person who would trade it for being poor and when all is said and done, they get to keep more money after the taxes are paid than poor/middle class people do.

how do dishonest rich people feel about him? they will be fine if thier heavily invested in war profiting corporations!

joeedugan's picture

FrankenBrit is just pissed off because he's still paying his plastic surgeon for having those bolts removed from his neck.

Nowwhat's picture
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I thought this war on terror was going to require hard work and sacrifices.
You know what, smart rich guys, THINK.
Why do they have to be so stupid. The federal income tax happens to be un-proportioned. The federal income tax is illegal, as far as I have found you don't need to pay the federal income tax. There is no law, that legally requires it. So dumb rich people do something about it. You are the ones that can afford to fight the system, so do it. The country won't fall apart the federal income tax goes nowhere pays nothing. If anyone brings up the stimulus money has been paid from federal income tax, your wrong. The stimulus money comes from money/wealth that has yet to be created anywhere.
I am not an expert or anything, but I think this entire monetary system is a bit fishy. Green backs!! This is just a big Ol game, the rulers are robbing us all blind, and killing for profit, getting away with it by creating these fake emergency's.
Non-issue again, man. Stupid Tv........

RickBeagle's picture

heck are you talking about. I am not nearly drunk enough to understand this rant, but I think you are telling everyone NOT to pay taxes? Oh yeah, that would help....

You typed in the wrong URL, you want to head over to redstate and post there....

Nowwhat's picture

Hahaha. Kucinich has the right ideas, this subject is very confusing to me. Do you think the RedState peeps aren't going to pay their taxes?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656...

There you go, this where my kookie ideas are coming from on this subject. It isn't hard to believe, when do you think government corruption started?

upchuck's picture

This is what the rich just don't get. When poor people have more money to spend; it causes the economy to grow. This causes the rich to get richer. We both win. When the poor people do not have money to spend; the economy shrinks. This causes rich people to make less money.

I think this rich people aversion to the poor being taken care of is more social than economic. It makes rich people feel richer to see poor people wearing rags and begging on the streets. They can sit around at their $1000 a plate plitical luncheons and feel all high falluting; becuase, they drove by some homeless guy in their HMMWV. The poor do without in our country; becuase, it feeds the ego of the rich.

Christopher di Spirito's picture

Fact. Hume is a douchebag and pond scum.

thedeadparrott's picture

Poor Brit, has a funny name. he speaks funny and he works for FAUX NEWS. he has to speak for someone else besides his problems.

Pericles's picture

I don't see how pointing out that the top 1% of the population control 40% of the wealth, and THEREFORE pay 40% of the taxes is dishonest? Nor is that what we 'want.' Since all Hume is doing is describing the fact that the government has recovered more money from the top 1% in taxes because they're ACCUMULATING more of the wealth. I don't think anybody would describe a country that has the highest Gini coefficient in the industrialized world as anything but dysfunctional. The Gini coefficient is a measure of income disparity, and the U.S. currently has a Gini ratio equivalent to MEXICO! Congratulations. I guess NAFTA did what it was supposed to do.

As for inflation:

1. The current inflation rate is LESS THAN ONE PERCENT, so stop whining and comparing Obama in 2009 to Carter in 1979.

2. According to the Philips Curve (which is based on actual historical data, as opposed to something like the Laffer Curve which was just pulled out of somebody's ass), inflation and unemployment are related. With interest rates at virtually zero, and an empty treasury (thanks to the Bushies) the only way to get out of this mess is to use methods that will tinker with the inflation/unemployment rate. I'd gladly trade off double digit unemployment in exchange for single digit inflation. The former is catastrophic for the economy, the latter is just annoying for the economy.

"the only way to get out of this mess is to use methods that will tinker with the inflation/unemployment rate"

Like taxing companies who raise wages too quickly,or for that matter prices.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Hume is another guy who reads directly from the Friedman bible.
He wants a government in power that cares only about fighting inflation not creating jobs.It used to be(before Friedman and his "natural level of unemployment" nonsense)that government cared about both things.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

gates17's picture

First of all Where in the world does he get that inaccurate statement about the tax rates for the American people? If all the rich people are paying all the taxes why are we having this situation? I guess I need to have Madoff do my investing!
Baby Diaper Bags

"First of all Where in the world does he get that inaccurate statement about the tax rates for the American people?"

By cheating.
The Rich pay more (on paper,in actual dollars)because they MAKE more.


"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "

-Jack Handy

Pericles's picture

Is this actually the clip you meant to put up? I think it's the wrong clip, but nobody has actually watched it in the interests of keeping their lunch down.

It's like Kanye West saying President Bush hates black people, except inside out and backwards. Stops the hiccups, that's for sure.

Republicans behave as if this nation would completely crumble if the super rich were not coddled and soothed and given everything on their wish list on a velvet pillow. Why won't just ONE of the token "liberals" on these shows mention the fact that this country was at its most prosperous when the wealthy were paying MUCH higher taxes than they are now? How would conservative curmudgeons like Hume explain that? I don't know because they never have to.

Given the choice between an imploding economy under Republicans or more taxes under Democrats, I know where the smart money would be.

Pericles's picture

Once in awhile they do mention it. In fact, it's usually OBAMA who has to mention the fact that the tax increases he's proposing are basically just a RETURN to the REAGAN era tax rates, before Bush cut them even further. But that's usually drowned out by the sheer volume of the right wing noise and disinformation machine.

The fact that the idea that Roosevelt's New Deal "didn't work" is actually starting to take hold is proof that an outrageous, bald faced lie can take on the status of 'common knowledge' when repeated often enough, loudly enough, and in enough different places. It also doesn't help when the stupid MSM is obsessed with appearing 'neutral' by not calling them on their lies, or making any effort to check facts. It's so much easier to just let George Will say "the New Deal made the Great Depression worse," then let Paul Krugman say "No it didn't," then wave your hands and say "well, now you've heard both sides...YOU decide." Beh...

tiktokklok's picture

...and see how they do in any other country.

An asteroid could flatten all the homes of the rich with them inside, and the United States would continue to function quite well without them. In fact, their billions of dollars in holdings could be used to increase worker salaries.

If you want to build a better, more productive America with a stronger economy, limit the earnings of the top dogs of all companies to no more that 5 times that of the lowest paid employee. The result is a flatter pay schedule with better paid, happier, and more productive employees.

End rule by America's royalty: fire the rich from all positions of leadership, and outlaw their ability to pass on their wealth to their children. At death, all the assets of the wealthy should be added to the general revenue. Let their spoiled kids sink or swim on their own just as everyone else must.

How will America function without pig capitalists? Quite well, thank you. EVERY great advancement in the world was made by people dedicated to benefit all of humanity. Most, like Einstein, were uninterested in the accumulation of personal wealth and power.

Corporations function more efficiently when leaders from the worker class are ELECTED BY THE WORKERS. The workers are the only ones who know how to get the work done, who know how to plan for the future, and who actually CREATE WEALTH.

The ruling class are parasites and they always have been.

stormskies's picture

FDR's 1936 Campaign Speech at Madison Square Garden: "We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred." It is as fresh as daisy today.

JerryO's picture

The rich folk have to start paying real taxes for a change. They are just going to have to forgo the beluga and settle for lumpfish.


Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime

sdean7855's picture

Reminds one of this famous New Yorker cartoon of the '30s..
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/cartoonamerica/im...

A. Theist's picture

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

• The first four men-the poorest-would pay nothing; The fifth would pay $1: The sixth would pay $3;The seventh $7; The eighth $12; The ninth $18.

• The tenth man-the richest-would pay $59.

• That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement-until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

• "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20."

• So now dinner for the ten only cost $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

• So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six-the paying customers?

• How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

• The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.

• But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being *paid* to eat their meal.

• So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

• And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59.

• Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

• But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

• "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!"

• "That's true!" shouted the seventh man.

• "Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

• "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

• The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

• The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They were $52 short!

• And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works.

• The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.

• Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

nochickenhawk's picture

You gotta love Hume. He comes up with some "brilliant" stuff all the time. This is a guy who rose to his level of incompetence by sticking his nose up every and any Bush family members' ass and first and foremost old man Bush. Hume is the perfect stereotype of a corporate flunky whose total responsibility is to make coffee for the board of directors and run other errands while they are in town and to "look sharp" as a republican corporate puke.

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