Eric Cantor's insane rant at a Town Hall meeting. Just go broke and find a government program to help you or beg for charity
By John Amato Thursday Sep 24, 2009 1:00pm
(h/t Heather)
Do you want to know how lost in space conservatives are during this health care debate? Watch Eric Cantor, the golden boy of the conservatives, make a complete fool of himself. When their goal is to just block everything, lies, dodges and sick thoughts cascade out of their mouths and into the atmosphere. First he says health-care reform is so time-consuming and is stopping them from doing anything else, but the real sickness comes out when he's asked at a town hall if he could help a woman who has tumors in her belly, who had lost their health insurance and has cancer.
The anti-government freak Cantor actually looks this woman in the eye and asks her to try and find some mythical government program for help. If these programs existed, shouldn't the golden boy at least know what they are? And I thought the government was the devil to Cantor? When confronted with real-life problems, they have no solutions and just make twisted crap up.
Then he brings up the BIG CANARD: Charity care. Hahahahahahaha.
We saw the same thing with Tom Coburn at his town hall and now we see it with Cantor. Remember Coburn?
Coburn: Well, I think—first of all, yeah. We'll help. The first thing we will do is to see what we can do, individually, to help you, through our office. But the other thing that is missing in this debate is us as neighbors, helping people that need our help. [Applause.] You know we tend to ... [Applause.] The idea that the government is a solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement.
There answer is to go broke, become indigent, then beg the government for some crumbs while you die waiting for a non existent program to swoop in and save you. Or maybe you can go begging...
I wonder if one of his health-care reform proposals will be that Americans should organize charity squads that go door-to-door and beg for charity money from their towns and hope they can raise 400K in a couple of days for one person. I'm sorry, I just got queasy just watching this video of this asshole.
The San Francisco Chronicle is equally appalled:
I cannot make this up. You have to watch the entire video unedited (though I also have the short video version) and see if Representative and Minority Whip Eric Cantor's version of a "public option" squares with your personal values as a human being and as an American.
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The question an audience participant asked is paraphrased as "Relative got cancer and lost his insurance... what happens?"Representative Eric Cantors response paraphrased: "Sell or auction all your belongings. After you reach a certain poverty threshold, apply for Medicaid, the federal medical insurance for the very poor. If that's not enough apply for indigent services."
As I said, I cannot make this up. Just watch the distinguished gentleman from Virginia, Rep. Eric Cantor.
Cantor was on MSNBC and said that he was only trying to answer the question and figure out a way for that women to get help immediately. Tamryn Hall didn't ask a follow-up, but Cantor looked like a buffoon. Is the only thing he can think of to help quickly is that a person become indigent. Why is he blocking any meaningful reform?
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I think all these SOB's in D.C should have their public option plans stopped until they do something about healthcare.
They should be fired from their jobs, have their property taken away, AND have any and all benefits denied them. THEN let's see how quickly they'll start screaming for aid.
I wonder if their insurance plans cover pre-existing conditions?
I like it. Put a moratorium on all claims submitted by congress and their families. Then talk about waiting two weeks.
pre-existing conditions. Under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan, you can change plans once per year during the annual open season period. There are no pre-existing condition exclusions or waiting periods for coverage.
It's not just federal employees who can change plans during their "open enrollment" without dealing with waiting periods or pre-existing condition exclusions. That's a standard arrangement for anyone dealing with employer-based healthcare.
But that's not the case for new employees - including new federal employees (although I'm willing to bet that it's not the same for those nice elected folks). Unless there's been massive changes, there's still no day-1 coverage, and there's still the pre-existing condition exclusions.
Federal employees (not elected officials) are still stuck like millions of others, staying in a job that may or may not be where they want to be, or may not be the best job for them, because if they leave their health insurance plan, they can't replace it.
is that the sudience in coburn's THall looked like they wanted to throw the woman out for talking about her problem. one guy looked like he was suppressing the urge to tell her to shut up.
... inhabit a strange parallel universe.
One devoid of logic, consistency, honesty, kindness, compassion, empathy and a host of other salutary attributes.
They've marinaded in a toxic Kool-Aid. Their ideology is a straitjacket.
BID
republicanism is an illness.
to hear Cantor's reaction to someone with cancer who said they had deliberately quit their job and sold off all their belongings so they could get money from Medicaid and other government programs. How many people here think he'd pat those people on the back for their ingenuity?
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
Didn't think so.
just more evidence that there is no middle class. Either you are rich enough to afford whatever crap the GOP can throw at you or if you are hanging on by a thread, you should go all the way into poverty to qualify for bare necessities.
Way to incentivize for success, Eric! Love the "Christian" take on these people's problems.
I'm sure he'd lambaste them for being a 'lazy welfare whore'.
I don't know how people like Cantor can sleep at night and I can't believe how quickly they forget they are supposed to represent the concerns of their constituents. Oh, wait. Silly me. Once they're in office its all about the big bucks they get from corporations! Gee, how could I have forgotten that?
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from wiki
Remember Bliley? Of Gramm-Leach-Bliley fame who passed the bill that deregulated Wall Street and thereby kicking off the string of dominoes that led to where we find ourselves now. Oh, he's protecting the taxpayers all right!!!
the slightest assistance to the woman dying with cancer, today or tomorrow, or much before the poor thing dies.
That's the FUCKING CRIME of what passes in the USofA for 'health care.'
PLEASE STOP USING THAT SHITTY RED BOX VIDEO PLAYER AS IT TAKES FUCKING FOREVER TO LOAD AND WATCH ANYTHING!!!
[You don't have to use it, if your computer is not up to handling the technology. To the right of the C&L player are buttons that allow you to watch or download the Windows or Quick Time version-Sitemonitor]
for the high-viz liberal proponents of health care reform to pushback with a simple question to each and every Republican pol, tea-bagger, pundit, or other right-wing personality: "When did it become an acceptable American value to profit from the suffering and misfortune of those less fortunate than us?"
Still waiting....
Especially since those tea-baggers, pundits and right-wingers are usually obnoxiously loud Christians who like to remind you at every opportunity that they ARE Christians with Christian values.
I can say I am an alien witch from another planet but that does not make it true. What are the Christian Values they say they have and imply they abide by? I want specifics.
fuck you six ways to sunday and pray for forgiveness .
I would agree if those 2 weeks were actually used for productive and reasonable bill negotiations/debate. But the GOP has been stalling and obstructing for months so i would say NO WE CAN'T STALL FOR TWO MORE WEEKS SNOWED! Senator, you ask why the rush? I ask why the f*cking stalling?? makes me sick
When she asks, "Why the rush?" the answer should be, "Because people are DYING."
Let's see what she retorts to THAT.
"Don't be ridiculous, everyone knows whatever bill we pass won't prevent anyone from dying."
Coburn: "Well, I think—first of all, yeah. We'll help. The first thing we will do is to see what we can do, individually, to help you, through our office. But the other thing that is missing in this debate is us as neighbors, helping people that need our help."
Kind'a like a good ol' fashioned Barn raisin' cept'n this case a CAT SCAN.A good ol' fashioned CAT SCAN raisin'.
in taxes to care for her? I'm just saying...her neighbors are already paying. here is the money going, Eric, you creepy looking opportunistic tool.
What we need are a few thick-skinned "troublemakers" (cause, you know, only liberals are troublemakers, conservatives are Americans exercising their rights) to show up at every one of Cantor's public appearances and start passing the hat to collect money for the lady. Start by asking Cantor to put his money where his mouth is and cough up a large cash donation. Put as many people on the spot, publicly, as humanly possible. And if he complains, say "But YOU said that it should be neighbors taking care of neighbors. You're not willing to help your neighbors?"
...reach down Cantor's throat & pull out his heart!! But, I couldn't because he & the other Rethuglicans don't have one.
...that woman behind her who was eating her chips like she was at a family picnic? No pun intended, but it just kinda left a bad taste in my mouth if you know what I mean. *()&#$%_#P@U&@#$*$_(_+!!!!!
to help you or beg for charity...
Exactly what I did.
Cantor, my dad used to tell assholes like you to "go shit in your fist and squeeze it."
That's too nice a sentiment for you.
Can'tor looks like a kinky guy. He might like that.
Get the gummint involved? OH NOES!
The teabaggers will go wild!
Oh wait a minute, Cantor isn't a dem eh?
He means "trickle-down medicine" - where you stand under those who DO have healthcare and wait for a little overflow on the pee test?
Maybe better to refuse to piss on Cantor if he was on fire.
Man, that is what's needed, more point blank anger towards these obstructionists! All our Democrats need to be just as passionate as Ed Shultz and make these assholes look like the useless jerk offs that they really are. Bottom line, people are dying and the neocons don't care. They only care about the insurance companies profits,not the people they're supposed to be serving.
I want to see ALL the dems shout and yell. I want them to call the republicans liars, I want them to do what we sent them to do, fix healthcare once and for all!
Don't expect this healthcare bill to be the "cure all end all" or you'll be disappointed.
It is a first step to single payer - universal healthcare. It will take some time and a few more bills (including fights).
Look at the way Social Security and Medicare were implemented then how they changed over time to become what they are today. The original bills were as weak as water on both and both were passed with all kinds of HUGE limitations and restrictions.
Respectfully, I ask you what in the bill leads you to believe that? I think we must clarify several points about this, and you are smart enough and thoughtful enough to begin this necessary conversation. Please answer me. No snark here.
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"Faith based charity" . . CoPs .. Elites arriving on private jets
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts920;_yl...
Wilfully ignorant, mealy mouthed drivel.
This is a rising star, eh?
More like a bad moon on the rise.
haven't you noticed.
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Dont go around tonight,
Well, its bound to take your life,
Theres a fat head on the Right.
Today on Ed's radio show, he challenged Cantor to come on his show and debate him on healthcare for the full hour.
E-mail Cantor's office to take Ed up on his challenge.
like it is and with zeal!! Bravo!! Bravo!!
Jack Daniels and Prozac?
Even if I drank, I wouldn't drink Jack Daniels. It's a hillbilly drink. That automatically makes it the drink of choice of most Cons. I bet you love to down a few then knock the crap out of your wife, don't ya, Billy Bob?
As for the Prozac, that's a chick's med. Which is I bet you down those by the handful to help cope with seeing your wife after you've beaten her face bloody.
You really need to stop projecting your problems onto others around you.
Cantor is Jewish, not Christian.
A terrible hypocrite, whatever the case.
Can mealey mouthed spineless worms actually claim any religion?
I think they always do. it's a foil.
if we didn't tax them for social services they'd donate to charity instead. They're a bunch of god forsaken liars. So, they'll tell this woman's poor friend to go find a charity to help, but there are none because they've been starved of funds too because these overpaid, overfed leeches have some of the lowest taxes in history and they still are too miserly to help charities.
I've said it before, but I am very fortunate to have disability and Medicaid/Medicare to help me live with my psychiatric disability, but I had to have to a full-on breakdown at the age of 18 to get that help. If I'd had preventative care and treatment when I had my first manic episode at 13, or earlier in life, I would be a different place and condititon today. We shouldn't wait until those around us are broken by their health problems before we help them.
Now, if our Eric Cantor had his way, I'd prolly be in one of those charity insane asylums from back in the day. Unfortunately for him, through the aforementioned programs, I'm a quite functional and otherwise healthy outpatient...
they'll tell you that conservatives donate much much more to charity than liberals, like their politically charged megachurches, private schools, political donations and sometimes the arts. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they are basically donating to each other.
ya, all those things have become republican organs.
victims only if the money was spent on software for schools, and only bought from her son's business. There's your GOP charity for you.
wing causes, or causes that will force right wing ideology while supposedly helping people.
I have a dear friend who lived not far from where televangelist Rod Parsley has his church. At the time my friend and his live in girlfriend were really in the hole financially and couldn't afford food, so they went to that church's food pantry to get help. They were turned away because they were living together while not married.
That's the sort of thing they want to donate to, the sort of thing they want us to depend upon, and essentially they want everyone to be at the mercy of whatever their particular brand of ideology demands...
aliens die on the pavement outside of ER's. I am so not proud to be an American. They least they should be is ashamed to admit their hatred and selfishness.
Isn't that the essence of what he's suggesting? If the system is screwing you over, just quit?
Compassionate conservatism... Give up everything you've worked for your entire life and then beg for charity.
are there no work houses? are there no prisons?
Cantor lives in Republican Delusion land.
The Republicans don't even know how to legislate any more. They are all talk now. Talk and make out like bandits. that's the new Republican party. Greed and hate.
legislation is for democrats and wussies.
Put Republicans in office again and you might as well elect the cast of Lord of the Flies to run the country.
they are anti government and so they don't govern and take the seat away from someone who will.
I am finally delighted that Eric Cantor has shown his true colors for what they are. Can't afford health care or insurance? Too bad, so sad according to Cantor. Oh, and by the way, it's getting in the way of something he wants to talk about! Sheesh!
These Republican's that have the insurance from our government need to give it up and pay for it like we do. Right now, our taxes pay their premiums. Hah! No..make them pay for it, and take away all the little privileges they enjoy. See if they enjoy their health care ideas so much themselves.
almost all scurry away like the greedy rats that they are. Too bad they are making all the rules. The only thing stopping them from just giving us all the finger and doing exactly as they please without any pretense of being honest is the fact that there are more of us than there are of them.
Will the Republicans realize that extinction is the best thing they could do for their country?
If so, when?
The only thing Republicans are good for now is to supply heat for the MSM and vise versa. Well, what has the MSM done for us lately?
Other than drag the republicans into the picture to heat things up that is. Might as well call them the MSMicans or the RepubliMSM at this point.
Renutlicans, Republinuts, Repubnutcans, they're all the same - even when they act normal.
Representative Eric Cantors response paraphrased: "Sell or auction all your belongings. After you reach a certain poverty threshold, apply for Medicaid, the federal medical insurance for the very poor. If that's not enough apply for indigent services."
One of the Republicans primary goals has always been to keep everybody poor and stupid and to keep control of the collective wealth of this country in as few hands as possible. If you die after losing everything you have because you can't afford medical treatment, then it was probably Gods will anyway.
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
Why do these BOZOS continue to get votes and be elected??
Because they represent the BOZOS in our country and there are many many bozos in our country
Also because of the MSM won't let the republicans go.
In Coburn's clip, when everyone clapped about communities helping others, Coburn should have said "okay, passing the hat now, everyone give what you can to help this poor woman's husband!" Wonder how that crowd would have reacted.
terrific idea. I hope it happens next time.
Why the poor people of Ohio keep sending this clown to Washington to "represent" the defies understanding...Ohio, where unemployment is at a 25 year high, 3.5 million are living in poverty - and rising, as is the cost of health care..and they vote for this moron who goes to Washington and stands up for the insurance companies and other corporate interests..HE IS MAKING ASSES OF THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR HIM....they get what they ask for, but I ask you time and time again...WHAT IN HELL IS WRONG WITH THE VOTERS OF OHIO...??
The Republicans are basically a circus show party. they rake in suckers with grand spectacles and then scam them. That's why their mascot is an elephant and they have a big tent.
But OH has some lulus too.
republicanism is a mental illness. These people are fucking sick bastards! I would love to see cantor and all the other republican scum end up broke and poor and homeless. They deserve it!
republicanism is a mental illness.
The sickest fucking people I have ever seen!
But will they accept help when it is offered? This is a first step toward mental wellness... otherwise, if they reject help from the rest of us they could fall deep into schizophrenia... oooh! shudder... then only pills may help them.
it would not be responsible to elect a republican.
To quote Sylvester the cat: "Dithpicable."
I'm surprised Cantor didn't suggest putting a jar at the local Quik-E-Mart to help defray her medical expenses. I bet if you used your "They Live" sunglasses, Cantor would be the most skinless ghoul of them all. Certainly the most soulless.
And the Obama adminstration wants to work with people like Cantor!
Cantor is sick and needs help. It might be possible to put that sickness in remission long enough to pass single-payer, by applying Christian principles of morality to the issue. If Cantor isn't an empty vessel he will respond to this moral issue. Or not...
He is Scrooge! "Why, that is what we have poorhouses for."
is no guarantee of help. Trust me I know, I have been unemployed since Feb of 2008; unemployment ran out in May and savings ran out in July. I have been to every state agency in Utah and I get no help. I have no children and that disqualifies me from any aid.
Should be some great material for the DNC for an attack ad.
Ominous VO: The RNC thinks we should be a nation of beggars!
hey guess what dickhead...if the woman becomes a charity case, we all pay for it
there is no way that man is a jew...he is too fucking stupid
Although Cantor's suggestion regarding government programs is probably anathema to most Republicans, the charity idea is firmly rooted in their opportunistic free-market religion. Supposedly, if all regulation were eliminated from the market, a charity-based healthcare system would spring out of the natural benevolence of rich people toward the poor and downtrodden.
At least some of these people (the less cynical Republicans anyway) blindly believe that the government takes away two helping hands for every one that it lends, while refusing to lend their own simply to spite the poor, who supposedly don't deserve what they were forced to take from society, via the government.
Self-righteous sin is the worst sin there is.
slapped Cantor in the back of his head after saying that bull.
I'm glad he's on our side!
that only a
motherboot could love.The newer, slimier Rethug party. Get used to it.
are despicable human beings. They represent all that's evil about the species.
I’m so tired of conservatives denigrating the term Liberal. It’s the conservatives that should be ashamed.
Conservatives throughout history have always been the ones who have blocked progress for the human race. They’re typically a fearful and small minded group without a vision past their own fears and wants.
Liberals on the other hand have always shown courage and a sense that things could be better by doing things differently.
A prime example of this is the Founding Fathers (whom the conservatives like to champion as their own) and the Constitution they fought for.
“ We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”
This wasn’t written and acted on by fearful, selfish, small minded people, every word of it is “Liberalism” writ large about how things should be better for “everyone”, notice the words “common” “general” “welfare” this is a document that is inclusive, not exclusive as conservatives like to be.
Throughout history around the world it was Liberals who struggled against conservatives to improve the human condition, it was Liberals who created the new science, new arts and new politics.
Conservatives are a blight on the earth and humanity. Be gone, all of you.
That means if poor people have some spent to make their lives better, there is less for greedy conservatives to hoard. The love of money IS the root of all evil.
...who suffers or dies. What a nasty sick fuck.
BLOCK AND BLAME REPUBLICANS
Lets bring up the question of how much we could shave off the deficit by cutting back on health care for government employees. I know this would hurt the lower level folks the most but it would not be so bad if we hit the higher level people (Congress, Senate, Supreme Court, Executives at the IRS, CIA, FCC, FEMA... you name it) first. If you are making more than 100K working for the government then you should be paying out the butt for your that Cadillac health care plans that you have.
When I went to school I was told that our elected officials were servants. I think we should push for them to have benefits that the least of our citizens have. That might mean that they have the benefits of a Walmart part timer who has no benefits at all and I am okay with that. Certainly these people can pay for a private plan.... the expect us to be able to pay for private plans so why should they not walk a couple miles in our shoes.
It's not as if it hasn't been obvious to anyone who gave it any thought that the Republican vision for America is Dickensian, social Darwinian, just like that of Scrooge before he got scared straight. But, precisely because this vision is pretty repulsive, they are usually pretty good at not stating it as baldly as Cantor did
man-on-dog.
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So who ended up helping her?
no one.
ERIC CANTOR IZ UH DEF PANEL LOL. SUMBODY TELL MIKEAL PALIN. I MEAN AH SARA.
that the person comparing Cantor, & his fellow-thinkers, to Scrooge...was certainly spot on.
I thank the person quoting the preamble to the U.S. Constituition for doing so...because being a Canadian, I'm not familiar with that verbatim, even though I always knew the intent.
For shame on every single person in the U.S. who is against allowing access to healthcare to all of their fellow citizens.
Not only for the incredible lack of humanity, but (to bring it home) to spit in the face of your own country's reason for being.
I must add, that I want to salute Ed Schultz, for not only standing up to say what needs to be said, but saying it with the emotion & anger that this whole incredulous situation requires.
I see your country, based on this tremendous issue alone and how you're allowing your own people to suffer...falling into an abyss from which it will never recover. So very sad.
I don't know whether other major networks are covering this story about Eric Cantor's response to this woman, but if not, I sure wish they would. Cantor is either heartless, clueless, dishonest, or all of the above. He obviously doesn't understand how charity works or medicine. Even IF you found a hospital that would provide free services, good luck finding a surgeon to work for free. Yes, the doctor bills separately. Then, suppose she has cancer and needs further treatment, say radiation or chemo? Government programs require a lengthy application process, after which you may or may not qualify. This woman will have to make herself destitute first. Whatever assets she has will have to be spun down to virtually nothing (savings, retirement savings, property, etc.) Sounds like this woman needs surgery immediately. She doesn't have that kind of time. Cantor, like all Republicans, is a total jackass.
And as for having more pressing matters to deal with....apparently Republicans can't multitask.
is a fellow Virginian. I have a really hard time wrapping my head around the mind-set of RethugliKKKlans -- especially such a brazenly inhumane sack of devolved monkey shite as Eric Cantor.
If I'm not mistaken, Eric Cantor is a Representative for the Covington, VA district. Does anyone here know who will be the Democratic challenger to Cantor in 2010? Preferably, it is someone from ActBlue, or at least is a moderate Democrat. I would hate to think that this sorry excuse for a human being either has no opposition, or else is of the same ilk (eg. Blue Dog or DINO).
Anyone?
Do the sheeple STILL think that members of Senate/House give a damn about people? How much more obvious does this have to get?
What's HAPPENING IN 2 MORE WEEKS?
804 MORE DEAD PEOPLE who's TIME RUNS OUT IN 2 MORE WEEKS!
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