Gun-Totin' Crazy and the Secret Service
(h/t CSPANjunkie)
I caught this on Tuesday and it's not shocking. I mean, the Secret Service agent's reaction to the psychos is not shocking. It's sane. Remember sanity?
CNN's Rick Sanchez had on a former Secret Service agent named on his show to talk about the psycho gun-toting teabaggers showing up at presidential events. You would never see this behavior under a Republican president because: A) They like Republicans. B) The Republicans would never allow it. You needed to sign loyalty oaths just to go to Bush/Cheney events.
Joseph Petro explains that this is insane behavior and it's an intimidation tactic by these yahoos, plain and simple.
Former USSS officer: If the police have to go out and deal with these foolish gun nuts with exposed weapons in public crowds, they are being taken awy from activity that is much more important and that is to keep our president safe and to kep the public safe.Rick Sanchez: In all your years as a Secret Service agent have you ever seen anything like this? Ten to twelve people yesterday were walking around this venue where the president was, walking outside, and they were packing. Have you ever seen a situation like that?
USSS: No, I've never seen or heard of anything like that. And I think it's, you know, I think all of us should be concerned about this. What's the next step? Are they going to ride around in pick-up trucks with automatic weapons? it would be like Somalia.
We're a democratic country. And we should be better than this. And what's the point? What's the point of them carrying these things? It's intimidation. Why hsould we tolerate that?
Sanchez: It's free speech and their point is that "we've got a right to come out and show everybody that we're for a constitution that gives us a right to bear arms.
USSS: It's probably also not against the law to bring a can of gas and a match into an event. Is that a good idea? No.
Having exposed weapons at public events, and it's not just presidential events, I would say this at any public event, particularly where people are disagreeing, it's really a formula for disaster.
Why does the picture of a bunch of yahoos driving around in pick-up trucks with automatic weapons not sound all that far fetched to me? And when you add the gasbags shrieking about liberals being the enemy all day long, this doesn't seem so far-fetched either.
People are going to either get hurt or die and the media still will whiff on this because they act like cowards.
1. Bring guns to Republican events.
2. Blend in with these gun-totting nutzos and burn an American Flag to protest Obama's illegitimate presidency.
Things will change quickly.
and the whip will come down.
You will be deported faster than 300 illegal brush choppers on the Crawford Ranch.
... and be sure to wear your bullet-proof vest. The crazies will try to ventilate you as soon as you light a match to the flag.
It's a form of free speech they just ain't prepared to tolerate.
Just sayin' ...
There are hundreds of millions of Americans who own guns and we aren't a threat to you. These people were making is a simple statement. Most guns owners are honorable and are people of peace but if we or any of our fellow citizens are in mortal danger we will defend ourselves and those around us. Like the gentlemen said, " I can't carry a policeman with me wherever I go."
Ultimately in the moment of need we are the only ones with enough time to defend ourselves. The government and lamestream media is twisting this and propagating lies.
When trouble comes who do you call? People with guns right?, Cops or your neighbor who has one... I think it's ridiculous when more people are killed by automobiles and even more by doctors from medical malpractice.
The FACT is more crimes are stopped and more lives are saved by people who carried or brandished a gun than those who died from them. You just don't here that from the corporate media or sites like CrooksandLiars.com
number 1 probably not a problem, heck there is a pro second amendment forum being hosted by one of my states representatives that she encourages people to come armed.
for 2 burning the flag in protest? Please have a bit more respect for it than that. Old glory hasn't done anything wrong, perhaps some of the people waving her have, but no reason to disrespect her.
or recording device into most theaters. But an assault weapon is ok?
You give the media talking heads more credit than I do, John. I have no doubt that many are secretly hoping for some violence to erupt. If it bleeds, it leads.
How else to explain the ongoing inflamatory language spewing from TeeVees and radios across America?
Despite appearances to the contrary, these are NOT stupid people.
Edit: Not a reply, sorry.
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Cameras and recording devices are much more dangerous than weapons. The former takes money and ticket sales away from Miley Cyrus :-)
NOBODY 2012
for explaining it to me. I just wasn't thinking it through. ;~D
maybe the president should steer clear of these states, or take advantage of the state law like these fine patriots and strap on an assault rifle at the next event.
bush would have if it weren't for the traitors that would have accused him of acting like saddam hussein.
CNN sucks!!
Why isn't it mentioned that people who tried to protest Bush were arrested and forced into "free speech zones"??
WTF is going on?!?
protested with t-shirts!
I've thought about that this whole time. They never mentioned people being forced to be a ways away from a Bush rally. They never questioned that encroachment on liberty. Blood would have been spilled had anti-war protesters rushed into an event toting guns and death threats, like what the Reichwing loonies are doing.
but don't whine about it here. Send Sanchez an email to remind him to bring it up the next time they have to deal with a story about this. There's a good chance that he'll take your suggestion and run with it. it's not always possible to cover all the angles in a ight time slot interview.
Man, if I had even ever THOUGHT about bringing a squirt gun to a Bush rally, I would have been shipped off to GITMO. Maybe Mr. Obama needs to pack heat of his own. Someone tries something and he leaves lead in their sorry behinds.
That's exactly where I think this is headed. The repugs won't be able to control what they started. Here we go swirling down the drain.
And when we do face a Somalia type situation, they'll blame it on Obama. After all, he was born in Kenya. Kenya, somalia, africa...all the same country right? :p
Down the drain is right. I actually think some repugs are very scared of their constituency for the first time in awhile.
All progressives better start waking up and realizing that if the shit hits the fan, we are done for. Most of us don't have the means of defending ourselves from these people.
And no one knows which side law enforcement or the military will take. My guess is its not ours.
I've been accusing Libertarians and similar right-wingers for years of wanting the life of a Latin American plantation owner: their own private death squads, assault weapons and machine guns carried menacingly at all times, the ability to abuse and kill laborers and poor people with impunity, their own private torture chambers in the basement, ever-expanding private property at the expense of everyone else, etc. It would be worse than Somalia; it would be like Guatemala, which has been under the tutelage of the US since 1954.
And my guess is if these right-wingers force things in that direction via paramilitaries, law enforcement will be on their side, not ours.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
I guess these loons and wingnuts are "a well regulated militia"? That is what they all seem to forget.
Per the majority decision in the Heller case.
Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for
traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/07pdf/...
But that aside, yes there is a very good chance that they are members of the militia, per federal law males 17-44 are members of the US militia. And depending on the laws of there state they may also be a member of the states militia.
http://law.justia.com/us/codes/title10/10usc3...
Was also on Rachel Maddow's show on Monday, 8/17. He was great there, too.
Bringing a gun to any public event is insane. Somebody's gonna get hurt.
btw, good interview. I'm starting to like Rick Sanchez.
Sanchez impresses me. And a no-gun zone is perfect.
NOBODY 2012
By looking around at what is going on in this country right now, I'm not too sure we aren't getting pretty close to a "Somalia" already.....I don't believe free speech includes someone being able to put a barrel of a gun in my face just because "they can".....I think we may have let this "free" speech thing go just a weeeeeeee bit too far!! This is a disaster waiting to happen.......:(
Agreed. I can't see how any sane person would label this "free speech." All those lunatics need to be thrown in jail.
So we now have nutjobs packing not just simple heat but assault weapons at presidential events. Why aren't these whackos in jail?! I can't believe that our society could conceivably allow the lunatic fringe to intimidate the rest of us.
If anyone tries to arrest these nuts we will definitely see a violent backlash, and everyone knows it. It's political extortion.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
It's not Obama who has to worry. Soon one of these nuts will get so frustrated with an "illegal" marching for their right to live here on a green card or a "flaming librul commie" that they'll just open up.
Calgary lady,
Rick Sanchez is a pop culture wannabe dickhead.
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
I find him less annoying now.
he used to report. Hurricane season is just ramping up.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
"Are they going to ride around in pick-up trucks with automatic weapons? it would be like Somalia."
The guys with guns on pickup trucks were called "lynch mobs" in the South.
Actually, the NRA won't be happy until this country is just like Somalia or NW Pakistan.
"...USSS: No, I've never seen or heard of anything like that. And I think it's, you know, I think all of us should be concerned about this. What's the next step? Are they going to ride around in pick-up trucks with automatic weapons? it would be like Somalia."
Like fucking Somalia? Try South Carolina...I will put up our home-grown rednecks against any savage al-queda group any day! Bring it on, mofo's.
reminding myself to stay out of SC..........
You may be right. I live here, for better or worse, so I feel I can rant with both irony and impunity.
Besides, where are you going to go to buy "legal" fireworks?
was the easy rider ending shot in arizona?
Something is really wrong with this country when a citizen can be given a $500.00 fine for lighting up a cigarette in a bar, but these lunatics can carry a gun to a presidential event? Somehow, somewhere, we have crossed the line into insanity......and it only seems to be getting worse by the day.
That's exactly what my son said, "First time I see some wacko packing heat in a bar, I'm lighting up."
I'm shootin' him."
:D
me-oww!
they can make then move on to Britney's new Bikini Look.
I really feel like the primary purpose of this particular militia bringing these guns to the AZ Obama event was to induce the police and/or Secret Service into arresting them, and then to spark the inevitable right-wing backlash and screams of 'Obama the GUNGRABBER!!!'
Quick, he's coming for your guns, people! Not only is he not American, not only is he not white, not only does he want to euthanize your grandma, but he wants to take away your phallic stand in--- errr, firearms.
It's all part of the right-wing's quest to dehumanize and delegitimize Obama... and it's working out pretty well for them right now.
the pickup driving,gun totin', wannabe cowboys will just have their girlfriends riding in the pickups wearing a bikini, and then the media can get it all in one story........
Wouldn't that be ring-ding dandy? Yee Haw!
So one guy at a public event with a AR15 is ok, what happens when 20 guys dressed in black with bandanas over their faces show up with AR15's? Is it still legal? What about 50? Or 100? Where do we draw the line.
I say the argument that Obama screens his crowds can easily be refuted with "We have to screen them, some of them have guns and it's not our fault they decided to come to a presidential event with a loaded gun."
Where was this event held? Private Property? You are not usually allowed to carry on Private Property unless you have permission.......were these guys breaking the law?
If someone had taken a gun to a bush meeting?
You would have been tazered, beaten, labled a terrorist, wisk away to a black site and tortured for years. No one would know where you were or what was being done to you. Your family destroied. Man when you think about what we and the rest of the world went through for eight long horrifying years, It make you wonder just how stupid a bush supporter could be?
republicanism is a mental illness!
No sane people in the republican party.
Just whackos, liars and idiots!
As one of the few liberals that seems to openly enjoy firearms, I can understand where some of these people are coming from. They're afraid, honestly, sincerely afraid that they're going to lose the right to bear arms with a black, urban (due to his time in Chicago), liberal president. And yes, I'm sure some of them are just racist or white nationalist d-bags but to categorize them all as somehow mentally challenged or dangerous is exactly the kind of language we get from right wing talkers today. Articles like this just make all liberals look bad, the same way that Glenn Beck's "Hour of Histrionics" make conservatives look loony.
John, you've got a great, informative site here. But the anti-gun rhetoric has reached the point of comedy.
I own guns, vote Democrat, raised in rural conservative, republican Ohio and I have never felt that the boogey man or the black man or the white man was going to come take my guns. It is a irrational fear based on nothing at all, but Glenn Beck 24/7. I am not saying that they are mentally challenged, but they certainly don't go looking for factual information, these aren't people who hear a rumor and go try to find out whether or not it's true. These people are fed, force fed in some cases, because maybe FOX is the most dominant channel in their area, maybe because they are part of a NRA group that has not tried to dispel people's irrational fear, but fed it. It is NOT in the NRA's best interest to have gun toting people acting ridiculously on tv. It just isn't. Despite their rhetoric and their lobbying, the NRA supports safe gun handling and responsible use - not taking your gun to a townhall and dropping it. I'm not even sure they would support MR. AR15 having his rifle loaded. What's the point? Is a bull moose going to come running out of the woods suddenly?
who partly runs the NRA. not sure what his exact position is. and i dont mean poof that way as a pejorative, but merely to libel Mr LaPierre, whom i cannot stand. he and this Velleco village idiot.
I wonder how many of those men wearing and shouldering perfectly legal weapons are trying to make up for their real super-small weinies or manhood, tucked up tight between their legs?
answer: all of them oh and don't forget hair loss
USSS: It's probably also not against the law to bring a can of gas and a match into an event. Is that a good idea? No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMp_llzBT4
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Johnny Cash is one of my faves!
So, it would be legal for an Arab-American to carry an RPG to the Ronald Reagan Library?
How 'bout a truckload of fertilizer and deisel fuel parked in front of a Kansas Federal building?
Just "freedom of expression", eh?
I don't think it would be quite legal, for a couple of reasons. 1) I think that it is considered federal property 2) Its in CA
And for the truckload, depending on several things, 1) being their intent 2) whether they have the proper permits and authorization
a nice, easy-to-use, semi-auto tactical shotgun for people just like those folks. I refuse to let my family fall victim to these kind of people when they finally go completely off the deep end. Believe me, they aren't there yet.
We spend a lot of time in the mountains and my SUV has lots of lefty bumper stickers. I am taking no chances anymore. We won't go into the mountains unless we're fully armed from now on. Shit's getting too crazy. I sure hope my fellow lefties have some sort of defense.
Thanks, but I'm not going to join the ranks of paranoid gun-toting crazies. I refuse to be bullied.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
When your family is dead at the hands of these freaks, I'll try to feel sorry for you. Chances are, I won't.
I believe you'll find them targeting government more-so then you or your family. Now if you work in a government Bldg. or abortion clinic, I believe a just concern is warranted.
PS.Unfortunately, a liberal house of worship/fellowship, should also remain vigilant, cuz you know... their not interpreting the storybook correctly. :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
they 'need' guns to make them feel important and bigger than anyone else. without these ballistic 'security blankets' these little men are nothing. actually even with the guns they are still nothing. they wouldnt know what it means to be a 'real' patriot, like the ones who founded this country, if they were suddenly sent back to 1775 and Lexington, Mass. that allusion of a pick-up truck is actually rather apt. i can certainly see these wahoos doing that, with banjo music as the soundtrack.
How is carrying a gun "free speech"? Speech is SPEECH. WORDS, either SPOKEN or WRITTEN. Carrying a gun is no more free speech than eating an ice cream cone or diving off a cliff.
This guy is nuts.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
[Corporatism + Evangelism] vs. [Secularism].
The Obstructionist has a purpose to retard change, their not ready to face the facts!
The challenge really is... [Fundamentalism]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Preznit DimWit had his 'Free Speech Zones', Howsa about President Obama having 'No Firearms Zone'? This is just absolutely bizarre anyway. A gun of any kind should not be allowed within five miles of the President in the first place, especially an AR-15. What kind of a stupid moron brings an semi-automatic assault weapon to any kind of event that the President is attending? This makes twice doesn't it? Exercising Second Amendment rights my ass. It's nothing but the crazy right-wing militias flexing their muscles...a shot across the bow of the Obama Administration, so to speak. My God, I thought some modicum of sanity would return to this country after we got rid of Chimpy. This crap is just over the edge.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
But those that still are playing G.I. Joe as an adult or need that gun to make them feel tough and as someone to be recond with.
Just think if they would join the military and serve in Afganistan. All the gun play they could have for a life time.
NO, got to play Rambo at President town halls.?
I bet when they get up in the middle of the night to go to the latrine to relieve themselves. They have to have their gun with them in the latrine in their own house.
These gun toting yahoos are packing heat for one reason only, and it's not a simple demonstration of their right to bear arms. It's about intimidation and threat. What happens when the other side shows up armed and tempers fly, or some other crazy wrestles the gun away from someone and starts shooting? This is insane nonsense, and certainly reminiscent of underdeveloped countries where thugs rule. It creates more work for the police and SS. Any responsible person with a platform should be condemning it in no uncertain terms.
"...to prevent anything from happening to him".
Oh, absolutely. Just ask JFK and Reagan...
This certianly doesn't sound like a thing a godly person would pray for.. How much hate can a person have for someone that they would pray to see them die. Sound more like demonic possesion to me.
First no christian person with the love of god in their heart should have so much hatred in them. God is a God of love not hatred, why use the name of God to preach hatred?
Sounds familiar.. (A wolf a sheep clothing) This pastor need lot and lots of prayer so he can get away from the devil. Please pray for him.
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