Here they come!
By John Amato Saturday May 30, 2009 11:00amThe Mormons used a lot of their cash to influence Prop 8 in California so the east is ready.
With the battle moving east, some advocates are shouting that fact in the streets, calculating that on an issue that eventually comes down to comfort levels, more people harbor apprehensions about Mormons than about homosexuality.
"The Mormons are coming! The Mormons are coming!" warned ads placed on newspaper Web sites in three Eastern states last month. The ad was rejected by sites in three other states, including Maine, where the Kennebec Journal informed Californians Against Hate that the copy "borders on insulting and denigrating a whole set of people based on their religion."
"I'm not intending it to harm the religion. I think they do wonderful things. Nicest people," said Fred Karger, a former Republican campaign consultant who established Californians Against Hate. "My single goal is to get them out of the same-sex marriage business and back to helping hurricane victims."
If a religion is pumping millions of dollars to defeat a human rights issue why can't people advertise against them? Isn't their actions extremely more offensive then an ad that says: The Mormons are coming?
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If they want to get into politics, THEN START PAYING TAXES!
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I disagree.
The evidence reflects that those who offshore their taxes have the BIG $$$ to contribute to political campaigns.
Wonder how many Mormon offshore accounts there are in the Caymans and Swiss bank vaults?
What was that hackneyed quote--"Only little people pay taxes."?
Taxes are good for society too. Why do Mormons and other religions/cults hate society !?
...to get the IRS to investigate? Clearly, they are using their tax exempt money to influence political outcomes. That should mean the stripping of their tax exempt status, along with a levying of back taxes and fines.
Apparently, there are internal Mormon documents relating to these issues,on Youtube.
Here's a link:
Video results for Fred Karger
Mormongate II: More Mormon Internal Documents ...
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Hey,the Mormons have BEEN a political forcce since the Howard Hughes days in Las Vegas.
Mormons were the only folks Howard hired and trusted.No doubt about his links to CIA.
Google Mormon Mafia sometime.
WHY do you think Harry Reid has such "stroke"?
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I only just read this and need to look into it. But interesting thing is Kolob is, according to the Mormons, the planet God and his wife live on, and that they are the true parents of all human spirits, the body being born of earthly parents.
"Hey, Hey, We're The Mormons.
Come and watch us hate and pray.
We're the tenth generation
Of Joe Smith's polygamy buffet."
We shouldn't recognize Mormon marriages.
the Mormons believe in polygamy we don't honor their preferred choice of marriage.
While the groups promoting polygamy are offshoots of The Church of Latter-Day Saints, the Church itself does not recognize polygamy, and has not for over 100 years.
What you're saying is no more accurate than saying that since the Lutheran Church is an off-shoot of Catholicism, they follow the teachings of the Pope.
if the ads were re-phrased, less fear inducing? Something like: "The Mormon Church is Paying Millions to Oppose Gay Marriage– Decide for Yourself!" It has the advantage of being true.
The ad was rejected by sites in three other states, including Maine, where the Kennebec Journal informed Californians Against Hate that the copy "borders on insulting and denigrating a whole set of people based on their religion."
ANYbody wanna bet the hypocritical fux would take an ad from NOM which denigrated a whole set of people based NOT on something they could change, like their religion, but on their sexuality, which they were born with?
These fuckers are beyond reproach, but if they don't either stfu or start paying taxes, the properties should be condemned,.,,.
What, exactly, was the message of all those stupid "save marriage" ads?
"The Homos Are Coming, The Homos Are Coming!"
Tax the Morons, I mean Mormons.
Liberal, conservative, fundi, evangie, open: TAX THE FUCK out of them. They no longer contribute back to their communities enough material benefits to justify their breaks, if they ever did. Spiritual benefits? Name one that matters...Fuck 'em.
Considering the money to be made in televangelism,isn't it interesting that the Mormon religion doesn't have any visible skin in the game?
Forthwith a link to the investigations initaiated regarding taxes on prosperity evangelists....
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that people of color could not marry anyone outside of their race. So, this inequality remains another hypocritical device to exclude rights to one group of people. Besides, why should straight people have all the misery involved with marriage and divorce? Let everyone have a share!!!!
Next time you want a Dunkin' Donuts,or a Domino's Pizza,among MANY other equally tastelessss,over advertised drek, PLEASE remember these are companies owned by Mitt Romney and his consort-ium,Bain Capital.
They are also tied in with the Carlyle Group.Need I say more?
Moynihan, who started his own all-catholic 'city' in florida, AveMariaVille?
According to my understanding,Moynihan sold his interest to another wackloon group,Bain Capital a few years ago.
"...some people claim that there's a woman to blame, but I think, it's my penis' fault..."
(With apologies to Jimmy Buffett...)
HEADING east???
Where do you think Mitt Romney's Bain Capital is headquartered?
BOSTON,MASS!
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We don't have DD's in Canada, but we have plenty Domino's Pizza outlets. Sadly, it's impossible for me to boycott them anymore than I already do, because I came to the conclusion 20 years ago that I'd sooner eat my own shit than eat another slice of their "pizza".
And what is wrong with "denigrating" Mormonism? It's a ridiculous on its face.
When did it become wrong to point out someone believes something idiotic simply because it's their religion?
Guy #1: I believe the world was created by a giant green albatross last Thursday.
Guy #2: That's stupid.
Guy #1: Hey! It's my deeply held religious conviction!
Guy #2: Oh, sorry then.
Joe Smith and his gold plates are no less ridiculous.
You're right. The problem here is that religions are getting involved with government. That's what organized religion is. You gotta keep them seperated from government business. They won't do it willingly - that's why it is all laid out in the constitution for us.
What good is a religious franchise except for control, power, profit.
The anthropologist Clifford Geertz tells the story (though it is probably apocryphal) of interviewing a Mahout in Bali about the local cosmogeny. He asked the mahout how was the earth suspended in the heavens.
The mahout, an elephant trainer, said the world rested on the back of an enormous elephant.
Geertz then asked "well, where does the elephant stand?" And the mahout explained, patiently, that the Elephant stood on the back of the mother of all water Buffaloes.
When Geertz, then asked where the Buffalo stood, it was on the back of the biggest Crocodile in the universe.
"And where," Geertz persisted, "does the Crocodile stand?"
The mahout countered that everyone knew the Crocodile stood on the back of the the biggest Turtle you ever knew, and anticipating the anthropologist's next question, he continued "After that, sahib, it's Turtles all the way down."
"...soul soliciting pig fuckers..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFUW6htvUss
I would have rejected the ad as well.
It's one thing to attack the position a religion is taking on an issue but it's a whole 'nother bucket of cheetos when you attack the religion itself. Yeah, it's kooky but it's just as kooky as Christianity or Islam.
Would it be better or worse if it was "The jews are coming! The jews are coming!"
Wrong is wrong.
The issue is seperation of organized religion, churches, and state. We got to keep them seperated, silly.
How about, "The British are coming! The British are coming!
When they come, do they say mildly, "By Jove."
So the Dems seem to be floating the idea of a national sales tax? Forget the sh** storm that will create. Instead, propose the elimination of tax exemptions for religious institutions. Make it an either or proposition. It will still a sh** storm, but one I think most thinking Americans will understand.
The answer to their problem is youtube.
In France they have declared Mormonism (among others)- to be cults.
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For those of us who don't engage in the ultimate human folly of worshipping oneself, the Mormons, Muslims, Christians, Jews, et. al. are all cults. The founder of Mormonism was a Jim Baker before television. Are we surprised evangelicals approve of torture more than any other group? My favorite line in the Bible is: "Jesus wept." "Man's inhumanity to man" makes many weep...
you see, this is where agnostics and athiests go wrong
you cannot paint all religion with one broad brush
and in doing so, you lessen what a true cult is
so when someone attacks scientology or another truly destructive cult, there are people who will say, what is the difference between them and protestants
catch my drift?
Religions are cults. People can modify the word "cult" with "authoritarian," "faddish," etc, when they wish to use it to indicate disapproval.
Ancient Romans used the term cult to label any particular religious practice.
But even they feared those they though were too secretive, too rebellious, perhaps too wild.
Through hermeneutics the term has become perjorative.
However, in sociology religions often start as cults, and once accepted by the mainstream (usually do to longevity) they become secularized and are known as sects.
Praise Bob!
"Praise Bob!" wasn't that Hale Bopp? :-P
No, that was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGSx-2UGjo
but to state that all religions are cults is wrong
you are just doing it because it makes you feel more comfortable with your own personal choice
There are no differences apart from the number of members and infiltration into secular positions of power and influence. It is laughable to consider one's personal cult superior to another's. All are based on faith, which is firm and unquestioning belief in stories that are not provable.
In fact, the Christian faith has beliefs that quite clearly are proven as false. Faith doesn't heal despite numerous assurances thoughout the Bible, and it isn't an antidote to poison.
According to the Christian Source Book, there are twenty to thirty thousand Protestant churches, and about 275 new ones every year, predominantly Protestant due to their insistance of Sola Fide/Sola Scriptura for me but none for thee, and despite their often insistence against creedalism, essentially establish their own view as a creed, thus setting up a false idol to themeselves.
If they were merely branches of one larger church, they wouldn't be listed seperately.
Maybe we can do for the Mormons what we did for the Focus on the Family group; bankruptcy!!! FOTF had to lay off a large amount of their staff after contributing heavily to prop 8.
a religious group can help back or defeat a ballot initiative, but not a specific candidate
its a huge loophole
then they can also learn to live with the scorn, rage, disgust that people with subsequently have for them.
I've got absolutely no sympathy for them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZlPQuX7ITc
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I love that movie!
I always wanted to see it remade with Jude Law as Jonathan Harker (the young solicitor who visited the castle in the book), Patrick Stewart as Renfield (who was 58 in the book), Maria Klaus Brandauer as Dr. Van Helsing, and Timothy Dalton as Dracula.
For some strange reason a particular face has stuck with me for Dr. Seward, and he's dead, and that's Graham Chapman.
He's the doctor here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBNqUdqm1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3kBEVRX5Q
"borders on insulting and denigrating
a whole setof people based on their religion."Is that a Typo? "a whole set"... shouldn't it have been, "a whole sect"?
"I have something to say to the religionist who feels atheists never say anything positive: You are an intelligent human being. Your life is valuable for its own sake. You are not second-class in the universe, deriving meaning and purpose from some other mind. You are not inherently evil--you are inherently human, possessing the positive rational potential to help make this a world of morality, peace and joy. Trust yourself."
[Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith"]
PS.FYI Kennebec Journal is owned by the "The Seattle Times Company" and "McClatchy", [The local Blethen family owns 50.5% of the Times, the other 49.5% being owned by the McClatchy Company].
The reason we all came to this continent was to get away from this behavior. Tax them on their real estate, personal property and earnings. We the People could use the money right about now. It might also make the corporate faith CEO's rethink their role in society.
The criminal mind is not motivated by right or wrong,but what it can get away with.
Corporate criminality masquerading as religion has gotten,and is getting away with a HELLUVA lot!
Check out the Tax Justice Network for some eye opening info!
talking about the Pilgrams, they came here to get away from Govt influence on religion not religions influence on Govt.
No actually they were the renegade remnants of the government of Oliver Cromwell, so detested by the people of England that during the Restoration they had to leave for Holland and when they developed enmity toward them there they moved to America.
One of the first things they did was impose their brand of religion on their colony so one could be exiled, whipped or worse for being another like Quaker.
And their Calvinist doctrine of Predestination, of classes of people born elite or damned was and is still considered a heresy
And then in the aftermath of the Civil War their landing and first winter in the Massachusetts Bay Colony was pushed by the US government, sans much of the religious trappings, to essentially erase the fact that the first English colony here was Jamestown, in Virginia, a Confederate State
The problem was that in our history there were two waves of these people, the first being called Puritan and the second (ten years later) Pilgrim. They were essentially holding the same views, but it was a question of degree. So far about the only distinction I can find, is that the Puritans dressed only in black and white, whilst Pilgrims liked color in their clothes.
And essentially a Pilgrim is any religious traveller whether during the Medieval Period to visit shrines with saint's relics of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) calling those that took their trek west and settled Utah "Pilgrims" and pioneers.
Didn't Roger Williams distance himself from those control freaks?
The Mormans are immoral and going to burn in hell
The Mormons should not be given special rights such as marriage as it undermines the sanctity of my personal relationship.
The Mormons should not be allowed to serve openly in the military as it could undermine the morale of non-Mormons in the military.
The Mormons should have their rights put on ballot initiative for popular vote.
How does that feel Mormon Taliban bitches?
PS - How would you feel if I came to your house and tried to convert you to homosexuality so get off my lawn!!
The Mormons did not spend a dime of their money on Prop 8. Individual members contributed about $20 millions to its cause. Far less than the the Anti 8 groups.
Former Mormon:
There is no law requiring the Mormons to not be involved in governmental decisions. Or are you some type of freak that wants to exclude from citizenship people because of religious beliefs you don't like?
If the argument in California over Prop 8 was won by money, then the question would seem to be, Where was the money from all the Prop 8 opponents? Apparently, they were all sitting on their wallets, while the supporters had their wallets open.
Maybe, instead of spewing over the character of the Christian supporters, those on the losing side of that argument ought to spend a little time reviewing their own actions. Exactly what did you, personally, do to promote defeat of the measure? And what could you do next time, to be more effective?
Prop 8 succeeded because a majority of its opponents were complacent whiners and too cheap to invest their own money on behalf of its defeat. You lost. Get over it. Stop the incessant puling about the supporters. Make sure they don't win again.
Thanks.
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"...on an issue that eventually comes down to comfort levels, more people harbor apprehensions about Mormons than about homosexuality."
Is the idea here that civil rights for "others" should depend on whether or not the majority "harbors apprehensions" about the minority?
Call me awfully troubled by the emotional pitch being made here. Whether or not I am apprehensive about Mormons--individually or collectively--has nothing to do with the rights of Mormons to engage in political activity If an individual Mormon wants to lobby against gay marriage, so be it.
I believe Mormons account for something like 2% of the US population. Roman Catholics account for something like 25% or perhaps even more:
ttp://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm
There have certainly been strong statements against same-sex marriage made by members of the Catholic hierarchy. I'm very sure that nobody is going to be running ads stating "The Catholics are coming!" as part of a pro-gay marriage campaign. Why would this be?
I agree with other commenters about the problem of letting religious organizations be tax-exempt. That's a matter to bring up with your Congressional representatives.
Try talking to individual Mormons (and no, I am most definitely not a member of the LDS church) and you will discover that their political perspectives are actually rather diverse, especially in the "diaspora" outside Utah.
Support same-sex marriage. But don't fight one bigotry by appealing to another.
The Mormon church is defending "traditional" marriage? Seriously? I can just hear their argument now: "we believe marriage should be between a man and a bunch of women."
The point is, the Mormons are NOT coming...unless in the missionary position for the sole purpose of having chillun. Of course they are anti-gay. They don't even like sex. They're just jealous someone might be having more fun in bed than they allow themselves. They're the dogs in the manger (who won't eat the sheep but don't want the fox to get them).
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