Joe Scarborough attacks Paul Krugman over DHS report, but the murder of Dr. Tiller goes unmentioned. I wonder why?
By John Amato Saturday Jun 13, 2009 5:45am
Joe Scarborough attacks Paul Krugman for his op-ed The Big Hate:
Scarborough: I’m just gonna say it. As somebody that has to sort through a lot of hate mail, a lot of hate email, a lot of viciousness. Paul Krugman’s name is attached to a lot of those emails. They use Paul Krugman as their shield for their left-wing hate. This is because Paul Krugman, like a lot of extremists on the right, they only see their side. They have a closed-minded world view. Paul Krugman uses this tragedy, uses this death to try to knock down his opponents on the right.
Unbelievable. Project much Joe?
Scarborough was attacking Paul Krugman by using the DHS report with the phony conservative line that the report was targeting our veterans. Not true. Do these conservative hacks want America to be safe? The report wasn't a partisan witch hunt, but conservatives are trying to find anything to jump on and make an issue out of. Then he goes of into la-la land when he brings Bush and Cheney into it. And by the way, there are no left wing radicals threatening to kill you, Scarborough, so your argument makes no sense.
On a separate but related matter ... I wonder why Joe didn't talk much about Dr. Tiller, either? Oh, wait. Seems Scarborough first got famous down in Florida defending an abortion-doctor killer named Michael Griffin, and it appears Joe didn't want that info dredged up. In fact, it appears that Scarborough used the murderer to get himself elected to Congress. Who knew?
Wayne Barrett of the Village Voice writes: Why Don't MSNBCers Question "Morning Joe" About Abortion Doc Killings?
Scarborough's hometown of Pensacola -- where his show once frequently originated -- was the site of the first two abortion murders, the second also occurring during his first run for Congress in 1994. A raw 30-year-old, Scarborough's surprising Republican win was principally funded by anti-abortion groups and he immediately went to Washington and voted against bills to protect abortion clinics, including one version sponsored by a Republican congressmen.
Here's more of Wayne Barrett's article from the Village Voice:
Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow devoted much of their MSNBC shows last night to the assassination of George Tiller. Maddow actually led with a headshot of Michael Griffin, the first abortion-doctor murderer, who killed Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida in 1993. She then moved on to copycat Shelley Shannon, who wrote letters of support for Griffin shortly before she shot George Tiller in both arms, an ominous foreboding of his murder 16 years later.
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A Voice cover story in 2008 examined in great detail Scarborough's role in the case, as well as the singular impact his exploitation of the abortion issue had in Scarborough's 1994 initial election to Congress.So what might his colleagues have learned about defending abortion-doc killers from Morning Joe? Well....
Scarborough's hometown of Pensacola -- where his show once frequently originated -- was the site of the first two abortion murders, the second also occurring during his first run for Congress in 1994. A raw 30-year-old, Scarborough's surprising Republican win was principally funded by anti-abortion groups and he immediately went to Washington and voted against bills to protect abortion clinics, including one version sponsored by a Republican congressmen.
Griffin handwrote the Voice two long letters last year after we contacted him in prison, describing in depth his relationship with Scarborough. While Scarborough tried to minimize his ties in an interview, claiming he was merely doing "a favor for a friend" and briefly searching for a lawyer who'd take the case to trial, Griffin detailed Scarborough's efforts to stay on the case and work with the trail attorney. The court record itself shows that Scarborough told the judge he was prepared to try the case, and that he represented Griffin for nearly three months. Scarborough claimed that his then father-in-law was a friend of Griffin's father and that's why he did it, but neither would get on the phone and confirm that (not that it's much of an explanation.) Griffin's father contributed twice to Scarborough's campaign -- $200 apiece.
Oddly, though Olbermann, Maddow, and Chris Matthews all did major segments on the killing of Tiller, Morning Joe hasn't. Scarborough hasn't been called to account for it by anyone else on his network, and has never told his audience why he did it and how he feels about it now.
Gawker found out some interesting stuff about Joe and Newswell in this post.
Newsweek interviewed MSNBC morning host Joe Scarborough last week, and prominently mentioned when Scarborough defended the murderer of an abortion doctor. That didn't go over well in Scarborough country, so Newsweek editor— and frequent Scarborough guest—Jon Meacham changed it.
The Scarborough interview, by Johnnie L. Roberts was a "web exclusive." It was posted to Newsweek's web site on Friday afternoon with Roberts' introduction leading with the newsiest bit of the interview: Scarborough's first comments about serving as the defense attorney for Michael Griffin, the anti-abortion zealot who murdered Dr. David Gunn in 1993, and whether that had affected his coverage of the death of Dr. George Tiller. Here's the original introduction:...read on
Lawyers can defend whoever they want to for sure, but if they become talking heads then they need to be honest about their relationships. Especially when it's relative to a breaking News story and to their own history, don't you think?
MMFA has much more on the Scar:
Responding to Paul Krugman's June 12 New York Times column, in which Krugman wrote that "[c]onservatives were outraged" over "an internal report by the Department of Homeland Security warning that current conditions resemble those in the early 1990s -- a time marked by an upsurge of right-wing extremism that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing," Scarborough claimed that "Krugman misses ... the fact that what upset most of us -- that we're talking about that report around this table -- was the fact not that they were targeting right-wingers, it's that they were targeting veterans."
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Who Works For Them To Lay Off Joe.
He is GOLDEN to them. So don't expect Rachel to connect the dots. Were she to do so she'd be fired.
If there were any justice in this country Scarbrough would be arrested as an acessory to Dr. Tiller's murder.
But there is no justice in this country.
Was Lori Klausutis Murdered?
I read Krugman's piece on the DHS report and it was spot on. Scarbozo is propagandizing his wrong-wing agenda just as bad as Rupert Murdoch, and any vile neocon.
ScarFace murdered his lover and the Right wing criminals covered it up as usual.
Joe must have been hanging out with Glenn Beck recently because yesterday Beck too jumped on Krugman's case with a similar flavor to his ignorance.
Joe's all over the place doing ads for his new book. I think Joe thinks there may be an opening for him at the top of his party. Maybe the opportunist in him is showing again.
thinks scarballs is the rights best white male hope
Best hope for what? Total extinction?
Read it yesterday on Daily Beast web site
He once represented pro bono a criminal pro lifer!
in this country, no matter what they did. What I find surprising, is that it was pro bono. I bet he did it thru his firm, so he was not actually out of pocket.
Let's see, Krugman is a Nobel Prize winning economist and Scarborough is a HACK who almost single handedly turned the deeply personal case of Terri Schiavo into a circus is going to criticize him. Because somebody who wrote an email mentioned him and now he's the same as Limbaugh. I don't know that even right wingers would find that very credible. Yeah, the entry of Beck into that market has lowered the collective IQ of right wing talk dramatically. And here I thought it couldn't possibly go lower.
I agree!
I think he sees a void at the top of the party and he wants to step in.
(I may not agree with everything said on this topic, but on this I agree...)
I've been trying not to watch Oreally, but I flipped the channel briefly last night, and he, too, was talking about Krugman.
The hate continues to spew from Faux News, even for a Nobel prize winner.
You make it sound like it's an addiction or it's siren song is too much for you to resist. I don't even watch clips of O'Reilly here at this site. I find him vile and loathesome and really can't stomach even watching him make an idiot of himself. It makes me wonder though, how many of O'Reilly's regular viewers, "try not to watch" him?
Totally agree
I do like to see how the "other side" thinks. I do have a couple of friends who think like him, so it helps to be prepared when I hear similar crap arguments from them. Further, O'Really sometimes bashes those who complain about him, stating that they just get their information from left wing blogs. I can tell my friends, or BillO himself, that I hear it directly from the horse's ass, I mean mouth.
I also take some satisfaction in sending him emails, telling him how he is wrong. Does he listen to these emails? Probably not, but he has read a half a dozen or so emails on air the past few years. And, I'd like to think that maybe, just maybe, if he gets enough pushback from various people, he might change his mind a bit. Yes, it's probably wishful thinking.
And, I do find him vile and loathesome as well, but not as bad as Insannity or Limpballs, both of whom I do not watch or listen to.
"they only see their side. They have a closed-minded world view."
Okay Joe, look in the mirror.
is they take the facts and twist them to the exact opposite and nobody challenges them. Pathetic that his opinions are called news.
He would have to have Mika look in the mirror with him. Seems these days he can't do anything without her. She goes to all his book signings with him even though she didn't write a word of his book. I'm guessing if he didn't take her along few if any people would show up just to see him.
I cannot remember the last Morning Joe clip I watched without being completely distracted by Joe's fawning sidekick and wondering why she's there. Her role is obviously not to contribute her own thoughts, opinions, or analysis. She simply uh huhs during Scarborough's diatribes. And if she sat any closer, he'd have lipstick on his cheek and collar.
And one other place.
That is a great idea for a show trantorian: Mika giving Joe a blow through the entire show.
You could call it: Morning Blow with Joe.
Its not like she's doing anything else with her mouth.
Joe and his sidekick bimbo Mika. The only reason she's there is to attract the typical Faux News mouthbreathers that wank off to the blonde bimbettes on every Faux News program
I wouldn't mind so much if she would at least disagree with him ONCE in a while. But, she just nods her head and goes along with every loony thing he spouts. I don't know who's more disgusting, Scarborough or this ditz.
I'd say vampires have no reflection
But that was just invented by Bram Stoker.
if you dyed beeker's hair black and swapped him with joe scarborough for a week, would anyone notice?
I didn't click on the link you provided, but can I assume that Beeker is a blond pig?
a red-headed muppet.
Thank goodness. I was afraid you had insulted all pigs everywhere.
I just looked at him and no kidding, it's him. Same expression and everything.
Maybe if I could look under the desk? :-)
Would that make rash limpballs Professor Honeydew?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCbuRA_D3KU
Zbig was right about Joe being stunningly superficial. I feel sorry for him having to live with the fact that he produced a remarkably acquesiencent pliabl pawn to sit by Joe and lick his ass. I sometimes she her staring at Joe like she's thinking ...Now! Joe Now Joe! can I give you a blowjob now, can I kiss your ass by agreeing with every right wing bullshit point you make. Oh but I'm your liberal counterpoint and I should give a different viewpoint but its hard to talk with your balls hitting my chin. I realize I'm being disgustingly sexist but she is a worthless piece of shit, I would like to see both of them go over to Fox News where they belong.
The NYT ran a letter she wrote saying joe attacks everyone in power, but it was sooo self serving. I wrote a letter to the editor in response, but it wasn't printed.
Because joe is a lying sack of shit republican.
republicanism is a mental illness!
Scarborough and the other right wing media hate mongers and propagandists want us to forget the Tiller incident and the complicity that he and the other media buffoons like Bill O, etc. have in spreading hate and paranoia. Accountable for their actions? Hell no, it's just easier to change the subject or blame others.
These selfish toadies are responsible for the sorry state the media is in today. All they give a shit about is enriching themselves and flattering their supersize egos with their boastful, twisted hype that they are convinced is the truth.
To the facility where Terri Schiavo was kept? I don't know why MSNBC keeps that FAUX "News" reject. But then I don't know why they dote on Liz Cheney so much either.
If nobody tuned in...
The numbers don't lie, if interpreted correctly.
Morning Joe was a primary factor in my decision to cancel cable. Sorry K.O.&R.M., I contacted MSNBC with regard to content, including CNBC, yet to no avail. As far as the other Nets. (Forget about it)!
PS.It's nice, not having that bill in my SnailMail box.♥
The conflict seems to be, between the "cable TV networks marketing target(s)" and the "current and or recent political statistics" from a political point of view. Interesting indeed!
Thanks so much for posting this John!
Yesterday, I think, Scarborough did mention that he defended the abortion-doctor killer named Michael Griffin but he did two things when he mentioned it that says a whole lot about Scarborough. First he mentioned it while somebody was talking over him and second, he said that he defended the family or worked for the family or something like that. So that anybody who heard it would think that he didn't actually defend the abortion-doctor killer named Michael Griffin, but defended his family. I am really very disgusted with this Morning Joke show. It really is no better than Neil Cavuto or Sean Hannity. And like I have said before, Mika brings NOTHING to the table on that show. What a waste of human flesh.
When he defended the guy pro bono, was that before he ran for a seat in the house. If it was he probably got more than money in votes. That area of Fla is red as red can be and they probably loved Joe for defended the guy for free. Probably his biggest vote getter and why he won.
Joey is just making shit up. That's what he does. His numbers suck, so he has to stir shit up to cause controversy.
He doesn't even know who Paul Krugman is.
Joey is just following the script.
longer buy Starbucks coffee because I have now associated Starbucks with Joe Scarborough and can't even bring myself to walk into a Starbucks. Good work Starbucks!
Friends don't let friends drink at Starbucks!
And here's a good reason why:
http://stopstarbucks.com/
I have not had an opportunity to listen to the C+L video but at the time Joke was talking about Krugman's article in the Times yesterday he said that Krugman was not a critical thinker. Right then he lost any credibility he may have had. To say that Krugman is not a critical thinker is absurd on the face of it. If you don't agree with what he says that is one thing but to say that Krugman is not a critical thinker says more about the person who says it than what it says about Krugman.
You sound critical.
This is a standard move in the right-wing playbook. They only have a few. It boils down to, "both sides do it!", and it's meant to encourage people to stop thinking about an issue.
Anyone who stops and thinks for a moment will notice that both sides are not the same here, because domestic terrorism has been practically 100% right wing for the last 40 years, at least.
One side is placing blame accurately, while the other is trying to do the same thing to their opposition to muddy the waters. That does *not* make them the same.
as Joe and his screaming cons are trying to establish. they have clear latent guilt over who knows what, maybe guilt by association, but its there nonetheless. and actually there was left-wing hate but really over 30 years ago. anti-war has always been associated with left-wing. i dont think Bill Ayers can be placed on the right wing of the spectrum. but Joe doesnt care about an inconvenient truth. McVeigh, Rudolph, Roeder, Von Brunn, and similar criminals were all associated with RIGHT WING ideology. the lone wolves are actually a pack of wolves these incidents have happened so frequently of late. now Ted Kazinski, the unabomber, im not sure about his ideology. does anyone know?
Tu quoque.
He gave the impression of being anti-government, pro-environment which made people think he was liberal, but he was an extreme loner which makes him seem to support the individualistic traits so revered by Conservatives.
My understanding is he wrote screeds that no one knew what he was on about.
But then that also describes Mein Kampf.
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqbGuVLC2Q ]
I also think he was "too smart" for his own good. He just had some bad code in his programing and got to the stage where he short circuited. Can happen to anyone.
[DANGER WILL ROBINSON... DANGER]!!
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYfM-frIWlQ ]
I don't watch Scarborough, but my impression in the past has been that he was a somewhat reasonable repug.
However, that impression is changing when I see stuff like this. I saw him the other night on Hardball. Chris Matthews asked him his opinion on abortion, and Scarborough basically refused to answer him directly. He was there to shamelessly promote his book (and I'm not so happy that Matthews allowed this to go on for so longer!)
with this issue. thats why their bringing up 'left wing hate' and saying Krugman is a shill like Limbaugh for similar sorta hate. hey Joe, you beady-eyed moron. there is no current version of left-wing 'hate' going around killing, shooting, threatening (well maybe that), maiming like SEVERAL RECENT EXAMPLES of RIGHT WING HATE. ya know, Joe, especially those AFTER the DHS report was issued. you recall, those incidents that PROVED the report was RIGHT. oh but dont let facts, even ones that JUST HAPPENED, get in the way of the truth. you dont like to be associated, even in a slight way, with those sorts of people. i mean by party affiliation or political thinking. but youre not affiliated Joe, those whack jobs are extreme. but by projecting as and your shrill con brethren are one wonders if maybe there is some latent guilt there in your small soul. i wonder what that guilt is based on? lies, truth? huh, tell us, small eyes. we're waiting to hear you admit it. at least we can see Limbaugh coming a mile away with his bile. its your sort, Joey, that are troubling.
The argument from the reichwing is the Fairness Doctrine is about unfairness, like some kind of newspeak or logical incohateness.
They'll then go into tangents about how unfair the "liberal" press was to the conservatives for years, leading one to believe they want them to continue doing so.
Because not only would the Fairness doctrine put true liberals on discussion panels with conservatives, but put conservatives on discussion panels with liberals.
I think conservatives have a place at the table, because it's human nature to be cautious, to not upset the apple-cart, but at other times desire sweeping change. Ideally we'd follow Hegel's thesis/antithesis/synthesis model. But the modern so-called "conservatives" seem just to be a scam to make a buck.
i for one would welcome a show that had liberals and conservatives both, speaking in a polite manner answering questions of the day. not sure if we have any shows like that now. can anyone name one? its either just conservatives, the loud sort, with a faux liberal, or some liberals with a moderate conservative (and they are not usually yelling). but never a real liberal and a real conservative. chris matthews i think gets it right some times. and sometimes stephanopolous when he has krugman on. but otherwise i dont know...
Try PBS's Newshour. Good debates from both sides that (almost) never get into shouting matches.
Joey and his sidekick are nothing more than morning drive-time entertainment. And REAL BAD entertainment at that.. Just like any other morning DJ-jawing trash you can find on your radio/TV dials..
MSNBC has got to be counting on the fact that most people are only half-awake at the time, so they only listen half the time to the half-baked nitwits the network trots out daily....
If anyone ever listened to this dribble while completely awake, their first stop would be a doctor's office to get checked for an infectious disease!!
I'm sure mika has plenty to spare.
There are plenty of them and the Army knowingly recruited them. The Army (and God knows what the other services have done) granted 34,476 in 2006 moral waivers in 2006, nearly 20% of all enlisted soldiers.
"Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces, and commanders don't remove them from the military, even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members." - Scott Barfield, Defense Department investigator, NY Times, 07 July 2006, i.e., during George Bush’s and Don Rumsfeld’s watch.
Mika Brzezinski sits there like a good little wife as her husband spews out embarrassing fact-free opinions about things he knows nothing about. Poor Mika, she comes across as not realizing that she's only a prop. I would suggest to her, she call Alan Colmes for therapy when Joe decides to bolt.
And as for Willie Geist, he's does everything he can to rein in his boss Joe, making sure the show doesn't get canned, and thus, putting poor Willie on the street. Willie sets up the softballs for Joe, but the job has been getting harder. Has anyone noticed lately the delicate phrasing written across Willie's face during the Krugman and also, the Jon Stewart dust up. Oh Willie, life was so much easier when you were at FOX Sports.
Give me a break Scarborough. Classic MSM bullshit journalism. Commentating to appear "balanced" not to represent reality. If someone from the Weather Underground bombs the Pentagon, do you think they'd be discussing if they were from the left or right?
People like Scarborough are a scourge to thoughtful discourse.
I'd say joe and mika remind me of a saturday night live bit
Long after they ceased to be funny.
When is joe gonna turn to mika and say, "Stiffle dingbat,"
And she responds, "I'm soooorrry joooee..."
?
When Joke was saying that Krugman uses this to knock down people on the right why didn't he say anything about Limbaugh who a few minuted previous was using this to knock down people on the left?
And I'm sure MSNBC never gets hateful mail with references to things Limbaugh's said.
The thing is that these jokers get so much mail that they can pull out an example of anything they want to pull out. They get mail about everything that hits every subject in every which way that can be covered. That is just the way it is. I've seen emails sent to Mike Malloy and Alan Colmes that would make your hair stand on end. So saying that they get email that says this or that makes no difference. It is a straw man and for Joke to pull the email card out like that id fraudulent.
Excellent point.
Charfuck's and talking about the important shit Donald Trump and his troubles with Carrie Prejean, who he's not even doing!
Oh and looking extremely stupid.
Funny, I was just thinking that she could take over Mika's "journalistic" duties and no one would know the difference.
A highly resepcted Noble prize leaureate, who speaks the truth and backs it up with researched facts - is the same as an uneducated, stupid, lying, ignorant bigot, whose only purpose is to put forth disinformation from the fascist corporate elite, and stir up hatred.
The left needs to start sueing these bastards for libel. Maybe a few dozen civil suits were rightwing bullshit is exposed, will help the remaining morons who support the GOP see the light?
I cannot believe in this country, that any crazy-ass bastard with a wacko nutjob conservative opinion, is treated as though they have just as much merit as any other intelligent well informed person? WTF!
Not only that, but most of them are on our airwaves - spewing this shit 24/7.
ScarFace loves and supports the Right Wing-NutO terrorists too, just like O'Lielly, Fattity, Cheney, Gop leader Limp-Dick, Malkin and many, many more complete sick haters of America 's laws.
Krugman..Nobel Prize winner
SarFace..Right Wing lying hack
Why has nothing come of Lori Klausutis? Does the Network or certain somebodies own Joe for the favor they did that fateful night. We will see when Joe slips up and is shrill with the wrong network God and he will be outed and hung out to dry. He is no Kennedy. He will not get away with it. He is too Shrill, egotistic and stupid. Best hope for prison me thinks Joe.
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