I won't be posting too much this week, but this clip was so outrageous I had to try and write something. Joe Lieberman was on Andrea Mitchell and he announced like the pompous ass he is that Joe Lieberman categorically is opposed to the public option for health care.
And his major reason is because the votes aren't there. First of all, that's a crock. President Obama only needs 51 votes, so please, let's get rid of that talking point. It's only cowards like Holy Joe and the rest of the mealymouthed Dmes who are trying to sell us all down the river.
But the biggest hoax being foisted on Americans is the claim that a public option would destroy the health-care industry and we can't have that. If the health-care industry or HIC (Health Industrial Complex), as we call it, is so frakkin' wonderful, then what are they afraid of, and why is it a nightmare?
Also, Holy Joe like the Mad Twitterer (Grassley) say that there already is competition in the HIC because there are like three hundred and fifty companies already. Doesn't that tell these bozos that something is wrong if there are so many health-insurance providers and health care in America is this screwed up? If freaks like Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu, and Joe Lieberman -- just to name a few -- were being honest, they would stop with the word games and do what's right for the American people.
Lieberman: Yea, I'm a against it because I think, two reasons. One is I'm fearful that at a time that we're spending too much here in Washington and going much too deeply in debt that a public option on health care no matter how you structure it will end up costing the taxpayers money. We don't need it.
There's more than three hundred and fifty companies, maybe more than that selling health insurance, there's going to be a lot of competition for health insurance once universal health insurance comes and the third and probably the most important, the votes are not there for a public health plan, government run option and this can stand in the way of a historic achievement for President Obama, Congress and the American people which is really to establish a universal access to quality, affordable health care plan in America so I think as this goes on, there gotta be compromises on this if we want to do what I think the people want us to do.
This is one of the most infuriating statements regarding the public option I've ever heard. He now uses a new Luntz phrase: It's not Universal Health Care, it's Universal Access to Health Care. WTF is that? Are Senators by nature InF*&kingInSane? Do they all just come up with terminology that makes no sense about the policy being debated? We're not talking about access, we're talking about success.
First: How much money are the two wars costing us? Why isn't Congress yapping about the incredible amounts of money that is being sunk into the bottomless pit of Iraq and Afghanistan? No outrage from Joe on that. Isn't it costing the taxpayers a boatload of cash that Bush never even put into the budget? And for all we've spent on them, what do we have to show for it? With the public option, American families will have health care.
I heard McCain reiterating his point about having out-of-state insurance companies competing with each other. I immediately thought that if he got his wish, the idiot companies would make you go to Arizona for health care even if you live in Cleveland.
Anyway, Lieberman is a corporate mouthpiece for the HIC and he can rot as far as I'm concerned. He actually had the nerve to say that Obama is blowing the opportunity to reform health care because the President isn't bowing down to the hacks that cry "bipartisanship".
Health care is not a bipartisan issue. It's an American issue. The success or failure or reform legislation is not about Chuck Grassley and Kent Conrad splitting the difference. We should be done with that. It's about doing the right thing and making sure every American can obtain the health care they need.
Lieberman is either bought off or he doesn't have the chops to get his Republican and Democratic allies behind a public option that will be robust.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zx8DGD-Kn0
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The public option is a sham.
Single payer is the only way.
h/t to MountainMan23 here
Single Payer v. Public Option Chart here.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
.. for saving me the trouble of postin it again!!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ..
Can C&L POST this Single Payer v. Public Option Chart ???
It is QUITE informative.
The "Public Option" is the Dem's caving into the Health Insurance Industry .. again. It is just another iteration of the same "Health Insurance" SCAM that is crippling this nation's industry and failing to deliver adequate health care to the MAJORITY of Americans.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
but I've been without insurance so long now...it will feel weird goin to a doctor and not havin to go into friggin debt.
6th point on the chart:
"Risk of destruction of (Health) Insurance Industry"
Single Payer: YES - Private insurance would be used only for supplemental or special needs. Retraining and restructuring required.
Public Option: NO - Insurance industry protected, maybe even subsidized for premiums of poor. However, fewer customers in private plans means lower profit margins.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
They pay out less than $150 per subscriber, and take in $800+. per subscriber. Can't seem to make it work....
It's the Dems way of caving before a shot was fired. With any luck we'll get a public option and then the next time around we can do it right.
as they sell us out to multinational corporations!
the Dems and the GOP have been pulling on the American people for a while...
Funny how all the elected politicians act and talk like spokespeople for the insurance companies. Whereas the people trying to represent the interests of the people (single payer, universal, etc) are either completely shut off from the debate, or even detained when they try to participate in said debate.
This has not been a country of the people, for the people by the people. It is a country for the corporations, paid for by the people.
This news item gave me hope, not so much that they are fighting the coal company's plans to do long wall mining under their town, but because they have passed ordinances that give the TownShip the right to regulate the corporations .. like it used to be in this country prior to 1886 Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company :
Pennsylvania Town Fights Big Coal on Mining Rights
In Blaine, residents are seeking to prevent coal mining -- which they expect to begin there in 2011 -- because they fear it will ruin their houses and disrupt water supplies, as they say it has in surrounding areas.
They want to block longwall mining, a technique that rips tons of coal from underground without putting anything in its place, causing the land above to sag. The practice, which has been used in coal-rich southwest Pennsylvania since the 1970s, has cracked the walls, roofs and basements of homes and opened fissures in the land, diverting or draining creeks and ponds. ..
Blaine's three ordinances, passed in 2006, 2007 and 2008, also assert that communities have a right under the U.S. Constitution to control business within their boundaries and that corporations do not have constitutional rights as "persons" to sue municipalities for passing laws that would hurt corporate interests.
"This illegitimate bestowal of civil and political rights upon corporations prevents the administration of laws within Blaine Township and usurps basic human and constitutional rights guaranteed to the people of Blaine Township," says the township's Corporate Rights Ordinance of 2006.
To implement the ordinances, township supervisors are now campaigning for "home rule," a legal code that transfers some powers from state to local control and is commonly used to raise taxes or increase the number of supervisors on a board.
Blaine supervisors want to use home rule to establish what they say is the township's constitutional right to control corporate activity. Voters on May 19 approved a plan to set up a commission to study the proposal and recommend whether to adopt it.
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
This has not been a country of the people, for the people by the people. It is a country for the corporations, paid for by the people.
You got that correct.
lieberman is weasel and a turncoat. he bends whichever way the wind blows. the only thing more dispicable are his constituency that elected him and the democratic leadership that to this day still embraces him. there still is something rotton in demark.
this is the same asshole who stabbed Clinton in the Back, who threw Gore under the bus, who supported Bush and the GOP through thick and thin...
At this point, the fact that Gore does not have a political career and this asshole does, it is a clear indication that the Dem brass do not need to "wise up" since they are clear enablers.
It is time for liberals to support a viable 3rd party option. Whatever resemblance the Dem party had with its former populist self, it is long gone. It it time for US to wise up... else the joke will continue being on us. And now, it just hit me why Clinton, Bush, and Obama always have that smile in their faces. I think that in their back of their minds can't believe they are getting away with all this sh*t....
That would be....ta, ta, you and me. we were screwed royally under bush, and now under the dem regime, we get screwed once again. I'm not ready yet to throw obama under the bus but i do have to remember to not be swayed by charisma and words but rather to judge objectively from afar.
I remember long ago while in my senior or junior year of college an older guy of 24 who had worked in some journalistic capacity in Washington confided to me that it was a well known fact among the journalists that JFK was a philanderer and that his marriage was on the rocks. I refused to beleive him and discounted his revelation as that of a disgruntled jounalist for whatever reason. Years later, after the truth finally surfaced regarding Kennedy, i would recall my friend's words and feel the flood rush to my face flushed with shame and embarrassment. How could I be so naieve? I never want to be sucked in again.
"Health care is not a bipartisan issue. It's an American issue."
Amen to that. If Obama isn't willing to spend some political capitol on true healthcare reform, then what is he planning to step up for?
Who needs the Republican party when we've got Joe Lieberman on our own team?
Why do people who hate humanity go into politics?
Good question. Not health care, not getting our troops out of the middle east, not holding the Bush regime accountable for their many crimes . . what's left? Saving Mother Nature?
Keeping his job, regardless of the amount of "wormage" required. Pride and self respect? Who needs it when you've got a Senate health care plan, and a Senate pension.
are these not vile people who are bought off in order to sell off the people they represent...
-that is, they are "insuring" that health care remains for profit (of corps and billionaire ceo's). and setting up (literally) a quasi public system that will fail/fall short and prevent real change for many years to come - imo
depriving a nation's citizens of decent healthcare! what despicable creatures!!
Imagine being against health care for the public.
Hear that, public? They think you shouldn't be allowed health care.
Lieberman et al have access to public health care. In other words, they expect us to be the whore AND pay for the screw.
At this point I am firmly convinced that Americans must be some of the dumbest motherf*ckers on the industrialized world. In any other country, it would be literally political suicide to express some of the opinions that US Politicians (including most of the Dem brass) say freely regarding the complete and utter denial of the interests of most citizens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVGerWFYotQ&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Doesn't Joe Lieberman have access to a healthy public option for his and his family's health care coverage provided by us, the taxpayers? F this clown and any other member of congress who denies the public a reasonable option for health care coverage.
it will cost the taxpayers money, about 1/3 the cost of health care now. If the taxpayer can save 2/3 of their money won't that be better for the economy?
this coming from a fraud that gets gov't healthcare.
excuse me senator droopy dog, we do need it. and, hello representative democracy, the majority of people (by a large margin) want AT LEAST a 'public option'.
down with plutocracy
the LIEberQuislings POV anyway.
Oh writes, "...'I don't need it. You suckers are already paying for my health coverage and I'm the only person in the world that matters.'"
Exactly.
...why this asshole doesn't have a recall petition going in his home state. He clearly is not representing the interests of those who elected him.
Lets keep spending those billions in Iraq/Afghanistan and sending those millions to Israel but, healthcare for all? THAT'S where I draw the line.
What a fucking puke.
we give money to, have universal healthcare? I think Israel is one. Anybody got an idea? How about Pakistan?
Because unfortunately CT is not a recall state.
I've read that three times now and he's saying absolutely nothing.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Really, some of these politic-speak passages should be considered its own literary genre... they are *that* good.
Lawyerese almost.
...gollys, gosh's and you betcha's in there and guess who you have?
I never thought I'd say this, but that's as equally nonsensical as anything that ever came out of S'Airhead Palin's mouth.
President Eisenhower would've called it the Medical-Industrial Complex, comparable to the military-industrial complex, which is eating our lunch, and the marital-industrial complex, which takes all the fun and spontaneity out of a wedding.
Joe and his ilk are so full of it, strutting, profiling, parading and showing their asses, it's almost embarassing to think somebody actually elected these fools to represent Us the People!
Where do we get these nut-cakes anyway???
But I feel that we the American people really do not have any representation in Washington at all. We are at the mercy of the big corporation and the big banks etc. No one is listening....or is the media only showing the ones (Senators and Congressman) that would vote no on health care? I'm from Oklahoma, you know Inhoffe, didn't vote for him, will never vote for him. But do we really have a voice, I know we got Obama elected, but do we have a voice????
I am getting really downed out. I would love to see someone shake things up.
but, you're just now figuring this out? It really has been going on almost since the beginning of our history. It's just that now, with the advent of the internet that it becomes so glaringly obvious that almost all politicians are on the take to one corporation or another.
I've been saying this for over a year and I'll say it again. It is NOT ENOUGH to elect someone who has a "D" after their name. You need to look closely at all the candidates and find out who the real progressive is. I'm lucky that I have Russ Feingold to vote for, but if a progressive independent came along to challenge Herb Kohl, he'd have my vote in a second.
Until we get a majority of progressives in both the House and Senate, nothing is ever going to change.
...and we're left with no significant improvements in delivery, cost, or access to health care, the person who will deserve a huge share of the blame will be Obama. His strategy has been flawed from the start. Taking single-payer off the table before discussions even began, ensured that the debate would start way, way, way over to the right of where it should have begun. With single-payer out of the way, the public option isn't a more moderate option, but rather the radical, left-wing alternative that the crooks and idiots can focus all their energies on.
...whole fucking debate is that we've already given up on any chance of true reform, single payer, universal health care. This public option will now get so fucked up in the process of appeasing the MINORITY party, that it will ultimately change not a god damn thing.
...and why we need to appease the minority is beyond me.
The majority gets its campaign money from the same corporations the minority does. Democrats pretend to be virtuous but they never fight for a single thing. We end up with the Republicans' agenda every time.
I'm always impressed with the casual manner in which Joe does his filthy treacherous back stabbing.Real dead pan like.
Gotta admire that level of commitment.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
We should've kicked his ass to the curb when we had the chance.
Its become easier than breathing.
Was anyone surprised that Joe would take the position he's taking?
The turncoats exists to be a thorn in the side of the Dems.
"There's more than three hundred and fifty companies, maybe more than that selling health insurance..."
None of them meeting the needs of the people they purport to cover; all of them making record profits by denying care to sick people.
Joseph Lieberman, you have no soul. Worse than that: you are corrupt and complicit in the deteriorating health and financial welfare of millions of Americans. May you burn in hell. A$$hole.
...back. Tell us how you REALLY feel.
'Cause I've got more.
...about that. The frustration level for me has actually gone up since Obama came into office; especially since he has shown he isn't going to do a fucking thing to the Bush administration for their crimes.
Notice how that seems to have completely disappeared from the news cycle?
and I'm NOT fuckin happy about it!
But, for me, health care is personal--my family has a pony in this derby.
I fail to see how a watered-down "public option" does anything but perpetuates the stranglehold insurance companies already have over our lives. Having a guy like Lieberman, who's never done anything but live off the public dime, say he doesn't think the public should have choices better than the crap we're already experiencing just takes it too far.
I think Obama's very, very wrong in opposing single payer. He's probably lost my vote. But I really find appalling a corporate whore like Lieberman living off of my tax dollars when my wife needs to see a specialist but can't because her insurance company is denying her--and she works for a goddamned hospital. And Lieberman seems to believe that's how it should be: he's got his. Y'all go and get yer own. I'm sorry. That's unacceptable.
Your posts go right to my heart, I do not cry easily, but your pain and frustration does make me cry. These "representatives" which we have elected are so dissasociated from the "average" American, you and I - that they may as well be speaking a different language from a different planet.
The agony and the pain that is being suffered by you and your wife, will not go unrecognized by the universe. The yin will have its yang. I'm sending green healing energy to her and to you... I wish I could do more -
Brightest Blessings, and Peace....
Cindy (yeah I am a truthseeker, but I want you to have my name)
Of COURSE there's 350 companies - it's a great money-making racket to be in! Sell fear, then when someone actually USES the insurance, you either deny coverage or drop them.
Man! Wish I could start a racket like that and have Congress support me!
Isn't that the clown who wants people to think he's not a Bush Republican some how? LOL. Why is that stupid crazy still sucking off the tax payer teat?
to me that there are 350 health insurance companies. I have one choice for health insurance: the one my employer chooses. My employer has to choose from the companies that can sell insurance in my state, and then only from the ones who are willing to give a quote. So 350 insurance companies is meaningless in this context. Ask Holy Joe how he chooses his insurance coverage - how many choices does he have?
...he has whatever he wants us to pay for.
And isn't that what some senators have said should be the coverage available to all?
I am so sick of rich, privileged old white men who think their world is the whole world. Oh for a magic wand to turn them into poor women of color for a month. Half of them wouldn't survive.
.."There's more than three hundred and fifty companies, maybe more than that selling health insurance..."
So why then are so many people declaring bankruptcy because of medical expenses? Time to just RAM through the President's plan and be done with the nay-sayers and obstructionists.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
... doesn't include single payer. They're trying to con us.
*
This man is desperately trying to be relevant. He needs, craves the media spotlight. It's all about Joe.
And Joe has about the best health care available in the US.
Compliments of us - the taxpayers.
Why should he give a goddamn about the voters? Has he ever? Why do WE need health care?
Take away his health care and watch him turn into a whiney little bitch.
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.................from "Zorro the Gay Blade"
*
We've known for a long time that he's in the pocket of AIPAC, MIC & HIC.
The system won't heal itself and it won't be changed by DC insiders and pasty old pols like Joe. I wish all of you good health as the whole shebang craters.
Okay, Joe, so I take that to mean that you'll be campaigning to dismantle Medicare, right?
there is something seriously wrong
with LIEberman his lips are moving.
hopefully conn will get real smart and
can his ass in the next state election.
this asshole needs to be wiped off the
senate slate forever.
This twisted old fruit sold his vote against universal healthcare to secure one last big fat payoff from the insurance companies.
He's not even going to run for reelection cause he knows he's cooked. So, he's sucking the insurance companies off one last time so he can get some cushy "consulting" job with them.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
Liberal AND Proud? I heard that the nearby Senator from NH, Judd Gregg, was bailing... I was not aware of Lie-berman's intentions to duck-out. Thanks
Study the symptoms not the virus...
If he does run again I doubt if he can fool any dems but I guess the republicans might go for him again.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...how close this miserable excuse for a human being came to being our Veep.
Yes but remember that was 16 years ago before he started pal-ing around with republicans all the time. He was younger then and not as batshit crazy as he is today.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Did I went into a coma and woke up in 2016 all of the sudden?
I am so confused... everything... scares... me.... I am just a simple unfrozen caveman lawyer.
He can't win in CT. Period. It's political fact. You can't win as a Republican, and he can't pull the Independent presto chango trick again.
He knows that. He ain't gonna run. Mark my words.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
It's like the term "available option," referring to the amenities you can get with a new car. You don't actually get the options automatically, but you have access to them.
So with "universal access," everyone will have access to health care, but won't necessarily get it unless they pay extra for it.
....the votes are not there.
the (r) and the financial elites don't want us to have universal healthCare. which by the way CHINA is implementing. they have the economic gap they have been striving for. they have the middleclass weakened and people divided. i feel they want this for the economic globilization strategy. they don't want "made in america" they want us co-dependent on foreign product and work force. the universal healthCare system would strengthen us ie. small business/union labor. wages would rise and the pent up desire to have made in america would have a resurrection. CHINA recently decided to go with universal healthCare you don't hear anything about it. they don't want us to compete with the foreign markets. they are trying to establish strong markets in foreign lands. greed,corruption and the CORPoration identity has NO LOYALITY.
why is this clown still allowed to caucus with the democrats. any democrat who votes for this lie next time around needs to have his/her head examined.
Isn't a Democrat any more than Joe Lieberman is. Both are republicans. At least Obama seems to be a moderate one. Obama will not throw the health companies under the bus as they gave er 'donated' too much money to him and there is, after all, another election coming up in the not too distant future. The only Dem that ran was Dennis Kucinich and he had a snowballs chance in hell of winning. You all voted for him, now swallow hard and take your medicine. I wrote in Dennis.....
"And his major reason is because the votes aren't there."
Wait till he hopefully finds out, that his votes for re-election aren't there, when he returns too CT! Only I can do my best to see that's True... ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
If Joe didn't go against the fu*king grain every time, no one would remember he existed.
Hell, doesn't he understand that the people who have health insurance now are paying through the nose for it? I'm pretty sure they would rather pay an extra tax and not pay so much for the shitty insurance they have now.
Insurance companies are not in business to keep you healthy, they are in business to make as much money as they can and they don't mind how much someone suffers to pay those ginormous premiums.
Must they politicize the health of the American people too?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Okay, that's it. Fuck you Leiberman. Fuck you, Blue Dog Democrats. Pass whatever you think is best for the country (up to and including single payer), and do it with Budget Reconcilliation.
By the way, asshat. Do you realize that your argument has more holes in it than a horsetrader's mule?
1. You say that a public option will cost taxpayers money. No shit, Newton. IT ALREADY DOES! Because Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP and Veterans Health ALREADY pay to take care of the poor, aged, and wounded, that leaves private healthcare free to cherry pick only the profitable clients. Taxpayers ALREADY pay 60% of the cost of all healthcare in the country, while only covering about one third of the patients (the least profitable third). (Source: pnhp.org/publications/payingnotgetting.pdf)
Thus, the middle class taxpayers are ALREADY paying to treat the most expensive clients, while being stung AGAIN to pay for their own insurance, or through their employer (stinging them through a lower salary, while crippling their company's competitive advantage). The only way a public option will ever make sense if if you collect premiums from both sick AND healthy people, the way every other country does. To dump all of the sickest people in the country on the taxpayers, then sting them twice to pay for their own insurance, and then point to how expensive it is to pay for the sick, poor, and wounded is just adding INSULT TO INJURY!
2. Two seconds later you say "We don't need a public option because we already have 300 companies offering private insurance." So, what are you worried about, asshat? If all those private companies are doing such a great job, NOBODY WILL OPT for the public OPTION.
Obviously we'll NEVER be able to have a SENSIBLE debate about healthcare UNTIL somebody has the brains to pass legislation making it illegal for lobby groups to bribe Congress. The HMO lobby group has obviously got to old Joe, there, and they'll get to a lot of the others before this is over.
Heard you shot your own arguement down. (Apologies Jimmy H).If it is so fucking great, what plan are you on?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/world/asia/...
why is CHINA going to universal healthCare? this was in the article sound familiar. how are we going to compete on a global basis.
"Growing public criticism of soaring medical fees, a lack of access to affordable medical services, poor doctor-patient relationship and low medical insurance coverage compelled the government to launch the new round of reforms," Xinhua reported.
Don't some of our tax monies go to pay for Joe's government insurance plan? How about we get rid of the insurance the elected pols have and there would be a savings right there. Put them on the same level as everyone else and let's see how they feel about that.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
"Pfizer Incorporated (NYSE: PFE) is a pharmaceutical company, ranking number one in sales in the world. The company is based in New York City, with its research headquarters in Groton, Connecticut."
Amended: Kelo case;
Pfizer's interest in obtaining property in New London, Connecticut for expanded facilities led to the Kelo v. New London case before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Presidential reaction
On June 23, 2006, the first anniversary of the original decision, President George W. Bush issued an executive order, instructing the federal government to use eminent domain
...for the purpose of benefiting the general public and not merely for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken. :-/
Study the symptoms not the virus...
While we're at it, somebody should probably ask Pfizer why their brand name drugs are twice as expensive in the United States, where they're manufactured, than they are in Canada, where they're imported. I mean...what could possibly be causing a difference like that? (My guess: one of two things, or both. 1. Canada has single payer, and thus uses its market share to negotiate lower drug prices, and 2. Canada has strict (and low) limits to the amount of money lobby groups are allowed to donate to political campaigns. Which explains why Canada has never been screwed, blued, and tatooed by a Republican-style PRESCRIPTION DRUG BILL the way the United States has.)
There are two kinds of conservative United States Senators: chest thumping, nasty grifters like McCain and pious, unctuous grifters like Lieberman.
I think there are more combinations than that.
" chest thumping, nasty grifters "
What about ASS-thumping, nasty grifters, like Vitter? You see, if you beat on somebody else's ass, instead of your own chest, it allows you to be both pious AND nasty at the same time.
...the deceptive, lull you to sleep and then rape you grifters; Democrats.
Damn, I'm having a hell of a time posting comments here right now. Each time I click on "submit" I get an error message and if I click on it again things just slow down or the comment doesn't post at all.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...not pissed off enough and your puter is trying to get you in the mood. {:-)
or you just might lose your work? I've had like problems myself. I believe it's a lagging issue related to demand? Cheer-up :P
Study the symptoms not the virus...
i have good, employer funded coverage excellent in-fact, but I want what Joe gets, that public right?
what a wanker,, what are you doing next time Conn?
Can't somebody in the House or Senate at least FLUSH OUT the HYPOCRITES by tabling a bill that would abolish the Congressional government health plan, forcing all the Senators and Representatives to buy private insurance like everybody else? Then we can at least use their VOTING RECORD on this issue to shine the spotlight on some of these two-faced crooks.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/16/clinton-h...
here's part of the bill clinton questioning/interview regarding obama and healthCare.
The other thing that people keep talking about is how complicated my bill was. You know, there’s a reason President Obama hasn’t presented a bill here. The fact is, my bill replaced hundreds of more pages of federal law than it added. It was a net simplification of the current system. The current system looks like Rube Goldberg on steroids. And so – But he’s not going to have to worry about – I think we’re going to get past the filibuster, and I think they’ll be tough enough to go to 51 votes. But they would prefer, for his long-term relationships with Congress, it would be better if we could get the 60 votes. So what I think they’ll do is go for the 60, but if it seems that people are just dug in taking positions that don’t make any sense, then I think they’ll go back to plan B. That would be my preference, because he’s got to think about what it’s going to be like next year, and the year after, and the year after, and all of that.
CHART: Wouldn’t it be nice to win one of these once in awhile?
CLINTON: What?
CHART: Wouldn’t it be nice to just win, instead of thinking about the 60 votes and the relationships?
CLINTON: No, no. I think he will win. If he can’t get a good bill, I wouldn’t give away the store on that. If he can’t get a bill that’s genuine universal coverage, that genuinely is going to cut costs and make health insurers give up some of these unbelievable administrative burdens that they’ve put on people, and that really gets to the guts of the delivery system and does more primary preventive care and actually measures things that work, then I would go for the 51. But I would spend a little time trying to get to 60.
Joe, I don't want a lot -- just give me the same plan you have. We are both citizens, right? Or, are you something special?
Joe believes he's something special - that's why when he lost the Democratic primary he ran as an independent. He doesn't see the senate seat as belonging to the people of Connecticut, he sees it as belonging to him for as long as he wants it.
I thought that was such a whiny thing to do like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum because he didn't win the game.
Stop the mindless hairsplitting, John.
Stop playing their game.
Use this powerful blog to PRESS for Single-payer, NOT-FOR-PROFIT Healthcare and get off the "public option" bullshit that the Messiah wants you to agree to.
It is doomed for failure and every time you give even this much credence without an outrage and FIGHT for real Universal healthcare, you aren't helping.
no offense but can you give up on the "Messiah" thing. i realize it's a favorite strategy of independents,obama haters and republicans alike but it's old. he never claimed to be anything but a human being. the pedestal is a creation by the opposition for simpletons and i'm sick of it.
I'm sick and tired of Whining Joe. He doesn't give a crap about the people. He seriously makes my skin crawl.
I agree with everyone who says single payer is what America needs. Anything else is a hat tip to the Insurance Industry. I grew up in a military family and have experience the benefits of American socialized medicine. I sincerely received better care at the base hospital then I've received now that I'm privately insured.
Once sure thing about the system I grew up with... the base hospital never denied coverage.
I am so sick of Lieberman. Any of these guys against the government health insurance should be asked how they like their personal government health care, every single time.
Dick Cheney happy to be alive? Wonder how his heart surgery would've went if he was just a regular Joe on a private health insurance provider, wonder if he would be ok'ed even yet for the surgery? I bet the the doctors would've sent him around for a 2nd and 3rd opinion feeding him full of prescription drugs secretly hoping for his death before the 2 years of bureaucratic bullshit. The easy out for the insurance company, I swear, they try to kill you discredit you, before they pay.
My situation getting hurt at work would have been cheaper if the insurance company wasn't trying to prove me a liar or hurt for another reason or hurt somewhere else, denied me any care for over 6 months, while causing my condition to worsen and be permanent, they saved no money at all and ruined me in the process. I never got any proper care at all, and I had Non-deductible, no Co-pay Health insurance, I bought the best, and didn't get health care. I did get lawyers and court hearings for months and months while I was in terrible pain. They made me sign tons of papers, go to tons of doctors, I had to drive 60 miles to see a corporate doctor over and over, it hurt so bad to sit in a car, they did not care at all. My first lawyer told me to just pull over and take a break on the way, WTF. Costing them way more in the end, than it would have...... America is lost.
So let me get this straight; Republicans since Reagan are for less Government, unless of course it rebuilds a senator's home in Mississippi after Katrina. Why less government? It is inefficient, too costly, and can't give a good return to our people.
So let me understand; if it is so inefficient and poor, how can it possibly compete with "well-run" private insurance providers? It seems to me after one year, if they are as poor as the Repugnants think, the Public Option will fail, and the private companies will take 100% of the business, right?
The fact is, the private option has failed, making thousands of executives rich in the process. They give to the Republican Party...follow the money for the real reason the Repubs are against a Public Option.
Re: the Healthcare debate. Did anybody see Linda Nielsen, head of the AMA interviewed on CNN today? The host did his job for a change, and pointed out that the AMA has historically been AGAINST a lot of things, but has never indicated what they're FOR. So, he demanded that teh AMA send CNN an actual POLICY PAPER to explain what, exactly, they are FOR! She said she would.
Good luck on getting that paper, Tony! Don't make any other plans, cuz you might be waiting by the FAX machine for a LOOOOONG time!
But let's all keep the pressure on CNN to not forget about that paper Nielsen is supposed to send.
Holy Joe sticks up for his constituents, defence contractors and insurance companies. If millions of people suffer as a consequence, so what?
What kind of people could vote for this piece of sh*t?
this is what happens when you pretend a repuke is really a dem so that he will vote with you on tiny issues
THERE IS NO COMPETITION IN THE PRIVATE INSURANCE INDUSTRY....NONE
COMPETION IN INSURANCE LINGO MEANS SUBSTANDARD COVERAGE....LIKE I HAVE IN CAR INSURANCE
ITS ALL BULLSHIT
AND FUCK HOLY JOE
and to those who think he is run by aipac...please explain to me why aipac cares about health care
and in israel...they have full coverage for everything...
Obama had throat raped this guy when he had the chance.
Whatever happened to all the concern on the right about small business owners? A public healtcare plan would be an absolute boon to small business owners.
they really don't care about small businesses. they care about large businesses. they care about lower wages and big box stores. small businesses have trouble competing with the too big to fail hence the moniker. helping small businesses has a romance to it but when reality hits it's all about profit margin and "affordability"....ie. wal-mart. they undercut many small businesses/models. all for capitalism often confused with democracy. there's no loyality to small business. they are developing a dependency on large business/foreign imports/cheap labor.
I've always tried to defend Lieberman on his record of being nearly 100% in support of Dem domestic legislation (at least, of the non-national security type). This surprises me. Or maybe not.
is that the "the votes aren't there" meme is true only because idiots like him and Landrieu won't support it. What an idiot.
time to yank congressional paid health care and see how they like living on the edge for a change.
have these critters get their health care after they put the nation's plan in place --and then they get the exact-same plan ... right.
59% of americans want single payer. this is not a democracy when a 59% consensus is rebuffed by politicians, political operatives and elite power brokers -- ie, when "it's off the table" and we will not discuss it. bah bye." is the approach: does not equal democracy.
it wouldn't matter if it was 99%. I wonder if there has ever been a time in American history when public opinion has meant so little when it comes to government policies? Why do we stand for this?
I am truly sorry to hear about your dad John. I may not be religious, but my thoughts are with you.
So long as you have enough money, like the rich folks who live in Greenwich and support Liebermann.
There needs to be a new effort in communicating to all of our congressmen and women over their tax payer health coverage. How it needs to be suspended until they resolve a public option that is viable to all Americans.
Maybe if they had to go without their health care for awhile they might begin to get a inkling of what most Americans are concerned about....!
Who is that fucking dinosaur in the video? Is that Joe Lieberman? My god, I think it is? Who in the fuck put a camera on Joe Lieberman? Like, who in the fuck thinks anybody gives a goddamn what Joe Lieberman thinks? Here's an idea: Let's "communicate" THIS to our congress people: Fuck that neocon mouthpiece Lieberman with a spiked dildo, put him back in his trunk and nail it shut. Forever.
I love the word "affordable".
Let's all go shopping. And find a bargain!
Not like there are any poor in America who don't have anything left to give. Not like a fraction of America has already maxed its credit cards and that will be the _next_ collapse. No. "Affordable" insurance is _so_ much better than actual care.
How soon until this hypocrite, traitor and Dick-Head are voted out for good??
at "Lieberman is a big NO"!!
Breathing a huge sigh of relief that others are catching on to the centrality of Lieberman -- they're pandering to Carper and others who should be whipped into opposing the filibuster no matter what (without weakening the bill) yet ignoring the fact that "vote 60" ain't gonna support them.
Biggest reason why: Lieberman's a guaranteed loser next re-election as a D or as an I, but may have a small chance as an R hero -- and he can become a hero by shafting the entire healthcare bill. THAT'S why Snowe is so critical.
Wrote more detail on it here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/m.s.-bellows/fa...
P.S. John Amato: I'm fka Thersites from the old site VichyDems. Long time no talk! Hope you're good!
Why can't that man just hurry up and die?
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