May 18, 2009 11:45 AM
Peter King says getting to the truth about torture is anti-American
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Why is it so difficult for the Villagers to allow the natural process of investigation to take place so we can get to the truth about how the Bush Administration used torture? Peter King uses the usual conservative talking point that says we hate America if we want to find the root cause for this moral cancer in the beltway. King attacks the ACLU as America-haters when all they are doing is righting a terrible wrong that was let loose by Bush and Cheney.
Hey, I robbed a store, pistol-whipped the cashier and abused a female customer. As a few years have gone by since then, I realize now that I shouldn't do that anymore. Do you think the police, the store, cashier or woman will just let bygones be bygones? Would Peter King?
..we should prosecute criminal acts in this country.
Tell Rep. King what you think: http://peteking.house.gov/email.shtml
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
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I'm sorry Mr. King, but your stance on TORTURE is unsupported by US Case Law, Common Law and Geneva Conventions.
Anyone who argues that TORTURE is acceptable is essentially arguing AGAINST well stood Principles of the USA.
For the life of me, I can not fathom how an Elected Official who's Oath of Office is to support and defend the Constitution of the USA can go out on a speaking tour and STUMP for violating Laws enshrined within the Constitution.
If you aren't supporting and defending these laws, then what are you supporting and defending?
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
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Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
I e-mailed this insufferable cretin. Probably won't do any good, but at least I got to vent somewhat.
We live in a madhouse, indeed.
..its okay to torture someone 183 times just to justify illegally invading another nation, isn't it? Up is down isn't it?
C'mon, what do these ACLU people want anyway? Justice?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
a King constituent?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
..in the meantime, tell Rep. King what you think:
http://peteking.house.gov/email.shtml
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
the one who actually wrote a nasty letter back when a constitiuent had a problem with one of his many asshat statments.
He's a first class jerk!
Peter King holds onto his seat because he comes from one of the wingnuttiest parts of NY.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I never understood the words "Truth, Justice and the American way" to be polar opposites before. I must have been getting it wrong
the guy on the left would turn in King for stealing his hairpiece.
Hell he has photographic proof on the right that King is wearing it.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
constipated. I think everybody should send him little packages of prunes......maybe it would improve his disposition and his facial expression.
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
I thought that was a squirrel sleeping on his head.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
so Huckster can fry it up for lunch when Dick appears on his FOX show to discuss "Which Enhanced Interrogation Technique Would Jesus Use?"
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Yeah but that is not the situation at all. They are unrepentant and Cheney at least would torture the innocent again today if it were only in his power. Like Wanda Sykes said, you wouldn't want to let your kid get in his car.
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
My husband isn't the political junkie that I am and when King popped up on tv yesterday, I said listen to this guy because he is a total nut job. My husband listened and gave me a thumbs up when King started this tripe.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...I know a good divorce lawyer...
No thanks. It's all good here. :)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
At least he can still get his thumbs up.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
...I can school you on proper WB techniques. That should whip him into line pretty quickly.
You're married to a wingnut? You have a Matalin-Carville thing going? You agree to (strongly) disagree?
Good luck with that, POP ...
BID
I'm sure POP's husband has other redeeming qualities. ;o)
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
The way I'm reading it, the thumbs up were for p.o.p.because she called it right.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
King is.
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Next, we'll be hearing King tell us that crushing little boys testicles, putting them in a box with scorpions and then sodomyzing them with broom handles is a good thing.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
BUT...if there was a nuclear bomb in NY harbor....
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
"Hey, I robbed a store, pistol-whipped the cashier and abused a female customer. As a few years have gone by since then, I realize now that I shouldn't do that anymore. Do you think the police, the store, cashier or woman will just let bygones be bygones?"
Well, are you more left or right-wing? Left you say? You filthy commie (aka liberal, socialist, fascist, etc)...off to jail and some torture for you!!
if some dark skinned teenager robs $200 from a 7-Eleven cause his mom is unemployed and can't feed her children...the wingnuts want to throw him in jail for life.
But if some white collar Republican Wall Streeter embezzles $500 million from a pension fund, he gets 3 months time served and 5 job offers.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
..and you torture someone; then there's no punishment.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
suspended. Don't ever do it again.
Unless you really want to...
Well said.
Can't have any well heeled gentlemen spend any more time than that amongst those unwashed ruffians!
Why that's uncivilized!
aaaaaand end snark.
waterboarding for everyone...
Then O'Lielly!
“The greatest evildoers are those who don’t remember because they have never given thought to the matter, and, without remembrance, nothing can hold them back,”
If you consider the way our country is really governed, he is right.
We live in a plutocratic corporate oligarchy. Our legistlature,
executives and courts are owned by the corporations. The media is
owned by the corporations. YOU and your families are owned by the
corporations. If the board of directors say we don't need to
investigate torture, then YOU as a good employee need to STFU.
Because doing otherwise is insubordination.
Now, if you want to make our democracy function, you have to divest
yourself from corporate control and get others to do the same.
The owners of this site are partially in favor of this approach.
They support Blue American and better Democrats, but at the same
time advertise professional sports and network TV. If I was against
Hitler in 1938 I would not have attended the Nuremberg rally.
But I KNOW that everyday crooks and lairs readers watch TV, drink
beer, go to pro sports events, read magazines, buy fast food and do
all these kinds of things that are in direct support of those that
oppress us. You can piss and moan all you want about the "erosion
of our liberties", but if at the same time you line the pockets of
the same people that are shitting on you, the it begs the question...
Whose side are you on?
cognitive dissonance AND long windedness...not a good combination.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
simple minded brevity and conformity to existing paradigms...lethal
; o )
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I don't drink beer any day.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Teevee? Nope
Beer? Only from microbreweries and non-coalition countries.
Magazines - no Newspapers? Why bother? Fast food? Ecch!
Sports? Buncha bullshit on FAUX Network.
Hey Leadership! Do ya think we've got 'em on the run yet?
it's a start , now get your neighbors to follow you!
"Hey, I robbed a store, pistol-whipped the cashier and abused a female customer." Remind me not to piss you off, Mr Amato. I'm glad to see you've found a much more constructive outlet for your anger.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
but Judge Bybee told me that what I did was legal if I had a doctor present at the time of the pistol whipping..
Hey Peter.
Nevermind. The guy is a twofaced ignorant twit.
Dumber than a sack of hammers.
The thought of investigations is scaring the shit out of these asshats.
Investigations please. And let the chips fall where they may.
Regardless of political party. Let em all be brought to justice.
They really are terrified of investigations.
I'm fairly certain a lot of the evidence has been destroyed.
But I think that there's still enough to bring these asshats into court.
It has to happen now. There's no way for them to get around it.
Bring it on.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
for you too knoweth well that hammers are found in sacks rather than boxes. Let he that placeth them in boxes be thrown at with the first rock.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
If it looks like a nail? Hammer it!
This is the word of the Lard.
Praise the Lard.
And let it be said that thou shall use screw guns on occasion.
Ch1 v2
Screw It!
Praise the Lard.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
on a briefing memo and the mission would have already been verily accomplished.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Let us not go down that path again, ball peen boy!
...say that you hammered him with that comment, or that you really pounded him down, or that you nailed it big time. I'm just not gonna go there.
Nice puns B.I.D.
I guess he missed this post o' mines from another thread.
I have it on good authority, that hammers can ALSO come in boxes...
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter...
Urban dictionary....
respect it!
At least I'm not as dumb as a box of rocks.:)
From the book of Masons. Ch1 v 1
Everybody must get stoned.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
me and the ol rickster had a bit a slight disagreement about whether hammers come in boxes or sacks.
I've always heard boxes, but I think it's a regional thing.
..off the rack.
I used to get hammered but not anymore.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Cheney, the meglomanical sociopath, is going down scared, scared, scared!!!!, and, what a bonus, he's going to take the PUKIES, the Dims, and the complicits with him!! What a great house-cleaning we'll have in DC, very, very, very, very, soon!!! If Kneepads Nancy is involved directly or indirectly she can swing, too, along with Reid the PUKIE, LIEberman, Spector, Kissenger, Boooosh both, and Feith, Delay, big, fat, blubbering Rove, dummyrummy, Hilly/Billy, and AIPAC/MOSSAD.
Throw the whitewashers and apologists in the garbage too like this chump Peter King.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
harsh words from rep. king toward the aclu from pursuing accountability. although i don't agree with king
i do agree with pres. obama's decision regarding these photos.
ended more than half a century ago.
Otherwise, the Republicans would not only have gotten the Nazi torturers off the hook at Nuremburg -
they would have found a way to let Himmler, Goering et al run for office in the USA.
..sided with the Germans?
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Little Booooshie's gran-pappy did. In fact, he built the ovens for the extermination of the Jews.
I seem to remember a time a decade or so ago when Rep. King was a fairly sensible person. Then, for some reason, he cracked up. Big time. It's a real shame.
he saw Giuliani parlay 9/11 onto the national stage...so Peter King simply upped the ante...and screamed 9/11 even louder and attached his lips to the anus of the worst of the Bush policies.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
Joey Buttafuco moved to California. See Surfjac earlier on.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
..I live east of Rep. King's district actually. Nassau County and Western Suffolk County (his district) is very urban. Long Island, even the urban areas, are very beautiful. It burns me though that when ever someone mentions the Island, they bring up the whole Buttafuco/Amy what's her name incident from so many years ago.
I mean, why don't they talk about Lindbergh taking off from Roosevelt Field? or why Long Island oysters were the best in the world? or about a million other things except perhaps the L.I.E.-the world's longest parking lot.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
you could be in Texas where we have an Aggie secessionist Governor who is trying to make the reign of his predecessor seem
erudite by comparison.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I'm so far remove from that part of LI and live in the rural areas (yes, there is still plenty of farmland left and we'd like to keep it this way)
..any more rural and we'd be in caves.
The farms out here are mostly growing grapes.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
close to the vinyards???? If so, that's my backyard too!
11th commandment. Thou shall not doubt another republican or something like that.
Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Kemo sabe
thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican unless the cyst encrusted party leader has first assasinated their character on radio.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
one must backpedal furiously!
So sayeth the Lard.
What would happen in our country now if some drunk husband waterboarded his wife to try to find out if she was seeing another man? Would the husband be charged with torture?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
your scarin' me now, POP.
Are you sending us a subliminal message? ;o)
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
..someone, Torture is illegal, OK, if you use it or if you want to use it because of some ticking time bomb or the kidnapped relative scenario, fine, as long as you're willing to own up to the consequences. Imagine, the ticking time bomb scenario, you torture someone, he tells you what you want to hear and the guy dies as a result of the torture, then you find out the guy didn't tell you the truth, what a surprise, and the bomb goes off and you go to jail forever.
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
What if it's an innocent person that has the info, say a hotel maid that overheard a conversation. What if that maid is too afraid to speak to authorities.
Is waterboarding an innocent person justified because they have information?
where the frozen embryos had been left out to thaw?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Oh, don't be scared. I'm not gonna hurt you with made up stories. I promise. :)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
and waterboarded on film for propaganda purposes.
Or the captain of the hijacked ship was waterboarded.
Or that Iranian-American journalist who was just released by Iran.
You can bet your bottom dollar that the GOP would be calling for blood the second they heard those things happened to our citizens.
Essentially we'd be having a debate where they'd be wanting to nuke Mogadishu, Tehran, etc... and we'd be in the position of saying that wasn't a good idea, and oh, yeah, might want to look into your hypocrisy.
Apparently committing crimes against humanity, torture, and treason against America is what these rightarded piles of shit consider "American."
"Truth", is something the Repukes trot out when it is about the other guy. F&*^! Repukes (and politicians in general I might add) wouldn't know truth if it bit them on the ass. I wish Obama wasn't such a wuss and nailed these f**&&^$ to the wall. Yes, it would hurt the country for a little while but in the long run, we would be better off. It's not like the Repukes or their base will give Obama any points for not prosecuting, so why not go ahead with it. Of course maybe the Dems also have something to hide.
..the truth shall set us free!
Mickey: "It was an epiphany. Do you know what an epipany is?"
Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
How else would we find the time, as morally upstanding citizens of this great country, to investigate, prosecute, and castigate Nancy Pelosi?
Surely not by pre-occupying ourselves with this little torture spat.
Jesus! Priorities, People!!!!
King claims there's NO CONNECTION between Abu Ghraib and the CIA memos?
The photos from Abu Ghraib show some examples of the techniques that were authorized by the Bush Administration. Stress poses, the use of dogs, forced nudity, etc., etc. Of COURSE there's a connection.
Just how stupid do these people think we are?
King's whole argument is a perfect example of why those photos need to be released. Until they are, people like him can sit back and say, "oh, it was only a few bad apples at one site".
I'm pretty sure committing war crime after war crime is what is anti-American. I'll say it again, these torture defenders would all be pissing their pants if subjected to less than a minute of what the detainees faced.
-BTW, Britain is being rocked by political scandal, the Speaker of the Commons was literally fighting for his political life on the floor of Parliament today:
http://yellingatthemoon.com/2009/05/18/britai...
because this isn't the country you think it is anymore.
The meme that waterboarding is not torture is a test. They would like to waterboard us.
Whats to stop the police from waterboarding a college student who bought a dimebag of weed and they want to know who the dealer is? It certainly won't be the constitution that stops them. The Patriot Act takes care of that little problem.
How about waterboarding gang members? Or pedophiles?
Who's next on their list?
its perfectly OK.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Senator Bob Graham this morning on c-span.org/ clearly stated that he was briefed by a CIA operative called Moskowitz in September 2002 and they never told him anything about waterboarding or torture, and later the CIA said that he had been briefed 3 times, and when he look up his records and saw that he had not been briefed 3 times, the CIA said : Sorry, Senator we made a mistake with our records.
Senator Graham is the second Congress member that says that he was never told about torture,and that the CIA did made an error with their records, so why not get this Moskowitz out and explain ?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?...
B/C Moskowitz passed away in 2006
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
More on Graham's statements made this morning
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/18/...
"Just how stupid do these people think we are"? They have been used to saying any outlandish shit for so many years and getting away with it, that it is really hard for them to adjust. Now, only their moronic base buys this crap.
We need to shun all things that are corporate. We need to drive cars made at the local ma and pa shop...oh wait.
Cars are out.....okay....bicycles. We need to ride bicycles that are not made from parts or materials manufactured at a corporation.....oh wait....
We need to mine and smelt our own steel using tools that only we can manufacture locally....oh wait....
Let's put this CORPORATE HEMMOROID in a tine boy with stinging insects in it after he had been water boarded 83 times because he failed to stay awake for 140 straight hours after being rammed head first into walls. And then , after this, he screamed for an investigation to tell him that would be UN-AMERICAN.
Hey, I robbed a store, pistol-whipped the cashier and abused a female customer. As a few years have gone by since then, I realize now that I shouldn't do that anymore. Do you think the police, the store, cashier or woman will just let bygones be bygones? Would Peter King?
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Maybe Steven?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
republicanism is a mental illness.
http://www.thomasnelson.com/consumer/product_...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Encourage you to read "Dick Cheney, Torture, Iraq, and Valerie Plame
It really helps put many important things into perspective.
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/15/...
Yes, this is what ol' dick the dick is afraid of. Remember how the cover up exposed Watergate, and the Iran-contra thing.
I keep reading how the right believes that Dem's will back down from a Truth Commission or other independent investigation as some believing that non-repubs will be caught up in the net. I say, as so ignorantly said previously "Bring it on". If democrats (or independents for that matter) or any other governmental body knew of, approved or in any way were co-conspirators in this illegal activity, they too should be brought to accountability. I think it's a ridiculous presumption one would ignore the misdeeds of the past years in order to preserve a few people for partisan reasons. It really is time to remind the politicians that wevotedforyou!! Sign the online petition to keep our elected officials to their word at http://www.wevotedforyou.com
...for republicans truth-telling IS foreign. So in that sense, I guess they may think of it as un-American.
I am soo sorry to admit that this jackhole represents my district. Sorry America.
Now we know why the COWARDS of America NEVER ever serve in the Military. What a bunch of Pukes just think another 50 years or more in excile because these castrated Cowards will not let thge truth be told.
So much for the Intestinal Fortitude of the Racist Nazi Party (RVC)
He knows that the more wretched his conservative views the more the likely he will get re-elected. He, Peter is one of the great panderers of our time. Without his present job, he knows that he would be spending most afternoons in a neighborhood gin mill looking for some poor soul to buy him a draft beer. On his other days off he will probably take the ferry across the Hudson to Jersey City, to stand on a pier and watch the NYC garbage scowls head out to his beloved Staten Island. He is that kind of guy...
So what else is new , almost always you can take the exact opposite of what these jackasses say to get the truth , it's right wing policy just take the opposite of the truth and the facts and there are the talking points . No surprise that this right wing turd has it backwards , apparently he thinks he is in East Germany ? To torture is un-American , to sweep it under the rug and let go unpunished is un-American ... at least it used to be , to get at the facts and the truth and prosecute criminals IS American . This entire government is so corrupted now that which way we go is a toss of the dice . One thing for sure , this scum isn't qualified to judge who or what is Un-American , the same can be said for most of the right wing lunatics .
Insanity , it is what it is , there is no understanding it .
America is not interested in introspection. It is not interested in admitting it makes mistakes, let alone that it can or should learn from those mistakes, let alone holding people accountable for it. Perhaps he's wrong that it wasn't always this way, but America has become anti-American itself: in complete denial over truth, facts, and responsibility.
There was a day when war profiteering was illegal. Now, corporations thrive on war and reap billions of profit from interventionist foreign policy, the genesis of which lies at the hands of Republicans, yet approved by the vast majority of Democratic party politicians in office. They're both equally complicit.
So he's absolutely right because truth commission, real truth commissions, would destroy the Republican party and likely would fracture the Democratic party, and just as well it should. These parties who are the American leadership, would be severely damaged. Therefore, yes, truth commissions are anti-American in that sense.
I say bring it on. Give these fuckers lawyers, and let them defend themselves before the ICC.
"Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other."
The original enemy is this bullshit war on terrorism itself, then extended and multiplied to include a country that had nothing to do with what we were told it had to do with. That is how torture came to be policy, to try and squeeze out through coercive means a connection to justify what The Deciders had already decided to do. It was utterly transparent to carbon dioxide breathing plants, yet a Congress sufficiently populated by Democrats acted like they too were deprived of oxygen at birth by making an obviously wrong call, and failed to stop crimes utterly simple to predict in advance.
is a disgrace.
we are fully aware that the GOP has an aversion to TRUTH.
Anthony Romero is quite awesome.. Obama is a tool for siding against him.
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20090514...
Hiding the truth and closed Governments are Banana Republican Governments.
One thing the Conservative republicans know more than anyone is, what is un American". They see it and recognize it every time they see their reflection in a mirror.
Their problem comes when they think every image resembles their own in that mirror.
Really, it makes sense. The whole appeal of Reaganism was lawlessness. "Greed is good." We're each a law onto ourselves and have no responsibility to our children, the environment, the rest of the world or even our community.
Here is the result of that vacuous nihilism as our talking heads defend lawless unaccountability for torture.
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