President Obama was electrifying!
By John Amato Tuesday Feb 24, 2009 7:40pm
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President Obama: I’ve come here tonight not only to address the distinguished men and women in this great chamber, but to speak frankly and directly to the men and women who sent us here.CNN's David Gergen said this about President Obama's speech:
I know that for many Americans watching right now, the state of our economy is a concern that rises above all others. And rightly so. If you haven’t been personally affected by this recession, you probably know someone who has – a friend; a neighbor; a member of your family. You don’t need to hear another list of statistics to know that our economy is in crisis, because you live it every day.
It’s the worry you wake up with and the source of sleepless nights. It’s the job you thought you’d retire from but now have lost; the business you built your dreams upon that’s now hanging by a thread; the college acceptance letter your child had to put back in the envelope. The impact of this recession is real, and it is everywhere.
But while our economy may be weakened and our confidence shaken; though we are living through difficult and uncertain times, tonight I want every American to know this:
We will rebuild, we will recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before.
...This was the most ambitious president we've ever heard in this chamber in decades. The first half of the speech was FDR, fighting for the New Deal. The second half was Lyndon Johnson, fighting for the great society and we've never seen those two presence rolled together in quite this way.I think he silenced those few critics that said he was too negative from the right and gave this nation a lift when it needs it most. And the chamber looked so lively with Pelosi and Biden at his side, a stark contrast from Dick Cheney's plodding prescence.
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Obama's speech was made all the more electrifying followed by Jindal's weak-assed rebuttal/national introduction/2012 campaign speech.
Jindal 2012, even at such a disadvantage; no crowds, no applause, no ovations, no high end backdrop, he did well, not great,(he has done better) he seemed a little nervous. Telling true stories from his past touched me. So eloquent, and he is a Rhodes Scholar. I cannot wait till he and others bring the Republican party back to glory. Government is NOT the answer, take charge of your life and take responsibility. Don't wait for that next Government check.
Yeah, I also can't wait until Jindal 2012 ... or Palin 2012 ... or (name of random GOP trainwreck) 2012. Obama will win easily with goons like these leading the Cons.
Them's fightin' words pardner.
In the words of some putz whose name I already forget:
BRING IT ON.
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Really?!? You think so. I went to do the dishes it was so bad.
{edit} Oopsie. I can see how one might misread my comment. I was referring to Jindal.
OBAMA ROCKED!!!!!!
Troll
just asking....
With millions out of work, credit frozen, banks insolvent, companies collapsing, homes foreclosing, incomes plummeting and global instability rising - for him to say that government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem - to say regulation and investment doesn’t work is suicide. People are sick and dying from ‘deregulation’ of peanuts and other food products, the hero pilot spoke today about airline deregulation’s impact on air-travel. We all know how not watching the banks worked out.
It’s like Jindal has been in a coma for 30 years and thinks Jimmy Carter caused this mess.
and he's in denial about this mess.
Yeah, just like Rip VanWinkle land.
retirement plan worth pennies on the dollar. This is the reward a good pilot gets in America! (Our new batch of pilots use the auto-pilot and spiral into the ground) AND STILL NO SIGN of re-regulation other than Barney Frank mentioning this summer, sometime. Not even the democrats will throw the money needed to solve the problem, so we will halve the deficit, see a nearly world wide depression (worse than the '30s), that lives on until I and our aging population are dead!
/entering dripping sarcasm mode
because 8 years of republican rule has worked out so well for this country....
what speech were you watching?
Please tell me you're kidding.
I think you meant that REPUBLICANS are not the answer. They're the problem.
John usually slides in late at night with his pearls, of course evaporating after his customary beat down.
Hit and Run poster? John probably has a whole list of progessive blogsites he visits every night. Sorta like Santa visiting all those homes on Xmas eve. Only instead of presents left under the tree, he leaves a big, steaming pile of...well, you get the picture. Next time John visits, be sure to look in your Christmas stocking before reaching in. If not, there's no telling what you might pull out.
like in chat rooms from days of yore.
John...there may not even BE a GOP by 2012!
Given the rate they are shooting themselves in the feet...they're on the fast track to irrelevance.
So...John...you just keep on deluding yourself...meanwhile, the REST of the people who live in REALITY, will progress as a people, and a nation, with or without you and your dinosaur GOP.
Have a nice day.
"Electrifying" is the perfect adjective to use in describing this speech - which may have been one of the most important of his career.
This was a powerful, positive, intelligent message. Obama has the power to inspire others, and shows the kind of leadership we need. I was very impressed with the patriotic elements of his speech, and his ability to be above the petty bickering and partisanship we so often see in Washington.
And Jindal.. bombed. He started out being downright patronizing, talking about the "first black president..." It went downhill from there, with the same old GOP talking points we've heard since the Reagan days.
who started the "gov is problem". Listen to some of his speeches before 1972. You did know that his main writer was Pat Buchanan, yes?
Reagan took it to new highs (or lows).
.....was one of the Washington repugs who helped Bush blow every nickel without a question asked.
this is why i voted for Obama. this is "change' in action. four plus weeks in office.
I will take a will see it attitude on this, a guarded optimism. It would be prudent for us all to take that approach and hold both parties feet to the fire, no matter how much excitement Obama may bring we still need to let all of Washington know we're watching and expecting results.
...V.I.D.E.O.....Please!
I don't have a video link but here is a transcription:
"I'm going to legalize pot. Thank you and good night America."
He was definitely at the top of his game tonight. It was the most confident I've ever seen him. I liked when he said it's time for America to lead again.
The republicans have used the tired argument against the tax increases on the weathliest Americans as an attack on small businesses. The tax increase would only effect non-incorporated family businesses with incomes over $250K. As Olbermann reported last night, only 2% of the small business fall into the category and any business too stupid to incorporate deserves to pay more taxes.
I wish that President Obama would clarify that issue; the truth totally destroys any potentially valid argument against the tax increases.
for a change with a positive message.
Wall Street after hours at this moment Tech stocks are heading south and "heavy industry" stocks north. Of course traders don't have feelings, much less souls.
More like "baleful".
Great speech. Loved the sucker punch he gave the conservatives in the line after he stated the need to reduce the deficit.
one of the night's best lines
What a difference.
From "Go shopping more" to "turn off the TV, put away the video games, and read to (your) child."
From "Smoke 'em outta ther holes" to "we do not torture."
It's good to have a leader. Finally.
You forgot, "you're all gonna die: pony up some cash." Bush always cheered us with obliteration messages.
...Jindal was stunningly atrocious. He spoke as if he were addressing a first-grade assembly.
THIS is what the GOP wants to stick in front of the cameras? Wow. That's fanTAStic!
is the republicam megaphone.
When David Brooks said on Charlie Rose's show that Jindal's speech was the "worst rebuttal in history" I knew there were serious problems in R-town.
Positive speech. Did you noticed the sour faces on the republican side.
I thought it was particularly striking to see all the republicans staying in their seats when Obama talked about giving healthcare to children through the passing of the SCHIP program.
It's not surprising, since Cons only care about children before they are born.
its nice to see someone who not only says the right thing, but say it so well unlike the last dufas.
Oh and Bobby was there too, not doing much but RePugs well, you know?
The republican response was horrible. Where the heck has the guy been. He didn't seem to mind to take the american peoples money to help Katrina.
Electrifying is right.
It's going take a while and a lot of hard work and compassion - but we will survive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY43xXS7GA4
As Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow both commented on Countdown, it is curious how Obama decided not to announce this in his speech tonight. Or perhaps Obama was a tad concerned that not too many Americans may have been appreciative of Obama breaking his promise of withdrawing U.S. forces in 16 months in Iraq as he has now decided to stretch it out to 19 months. Just as egregious is his decision to leave as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq behind after his phased [as opposed to immediate] withdrawal plan is finally completed.
Will the liberals in this country finally admit, as Bogie said in The Maltese Falcon, that they've been had?
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Officials_US_tr...
How long will it be until protesters start lining up outside the White House chanting:
Hey, hey, O bom a,
How many kids did you bomb today? [in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan]
If we depended on your GOP to end the war we'd be there for at least 19 years---or more. Your great grandkids would be consripted to serve there. Makes 19 months seem short in comparison, doesn't it?
If you or your ideologically bankrupt party have a better solution then Obama---bring it on, buster. Until then, quit your insipid whining, complaining is not an action plan.
BMW 528
As it should be expected, apparently, any criticism of the great Obama is perceived to come from the right while ignoring the fact that the centrist Obama certainly should have valid criticisms from [I know this will be a shock to you] the left.
The solution should not be all that difficult to grasp. The United States under Barack Obama is never going to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, etc. by slaughtering their women and children. The great Obama can easily put a halt to that needless carnage by telling the Air Force not to continue bombing those countries and thereby killing innocent civilians. But given the fact that he is an American imperialist, he will not stop the bombing.
"Makes 19 months seem short in comparison." I strongly suspect that the average Iraqi would take great issue would that asinine statement that you have so casually issued. Of course if there were foreign soldiers in your neighborhood or in your workplace you probably would be whistling a different tune. Or if your loved ones were ripped apart and scattered throughout the countryside. That is, if you actually had possessed an ounce of empathy in your Obama-worshiping body.
BMW 528 - give it up, Obama is a chicken hawk (or at least presents himself this way in every single piece of literature you can find on the subject) so stop kidding yourself. He is and will be a great American president, but he will certainly push the American agenda on the rest of the world. However, I have to ask Erroll, should we leave a vacuum in Iraq.. that we created? I believe the US should pull out and apologize to the world for preemptively attacking a country that wasn't a threat - set another precedent - but do we just abandon these people? I know the "government" there wants us to leave, but the situation is very complicated. You begin by not trusting the President, so you believe there are alterior motives for staying and moving the goal posts indefinitely. What gives you that impression?
And don't invoke Obama's position in Afghanistan - his position there is very different - he wants to stay and "fix" the situation by sending more troops. But the origin of that conflict and the nature of the situation is very different.
Kingothwld
I remember hearing almost those exact same words during the Vietnam conflict, i.e. the Unite States cannot just leave. Pray tell, why not? If you start from the premise that the Iraq War was and still is illegal and immoral, then it is simply intellectually indefensible that the United States militarily should remain in Iraq. As I tried to point out in my earlier comment, how would one feel if there were foreign troops in one's neighborhood and workplace? In all likelihood, you would feel, justifiably, anger, fear, hatred, resentment, bitterness, toward those foreign soldiers for being in your country. That, of course, is how the Iraqis feel toward the Americans who have stepped on and beaten them down for almost six years.
According to the Lancet study [whose methodology has been proven to be most credible] over a million Iraqis have been killed since the United States illegally invaded their country in March of 2003. 4.5 million Iraqis have been displaced from their homes and have fled to other countries. The last thing most Iraqis desire to see is another American soldier in their home terrorizing their loved ones. The only way that the United States will ever win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people is by leaving their country as quickly and as rapidly as possible. That action, unfortunately, will not be able to bring back all those dead Iraqis but it will at least ensure that no more Iraqis will end up killed and maimed and crippled and tortured and brutalized by the American military.
I can't speak for Vietnam.... different times, different conflict... How would I feel if foreign soldiers were in my neighborhood? It depends... as always... what if know that if those foreign soldiers leave, the ethnic group next door will kill me and my family because I am a displaced family from another region. That is to say, not all Iraqis want us out of there. Again, the Iraqi government wants us out and those people that have amassed some level of power want us out of there, but I'm not completely sure the people want us out of there - and it is very hard to determine that - and using 1 million deaths doesn't ensure they want us gone - your assumption is not validated...
... what is important is that we clearly indicate that our presence there is illegal and immoral... from there we can better manage our exit and ensure there is an open/honest dialogue with not only the American people, but the Iraqi people... I think Obama has started the conversation with the American people..... will he be honest with the Iraqi people and the world?... that is yet to be determined ... but at least from this perspective, I trust Obama will find the honest, diplomatic route out of Iraq.
Kingothwld
"... different times, different conflict..." With all due respect, is that comment actually supposed to be taken seriously, where it is said, not on a neoconservative site but on, of all places, a liberal one? The basic principle remains the same where another American president has sent the American military into a country because of disingenuous reasons. When I bring up the subject of having foreign troops in one's neighborhood you end up going through intellectual gymnastics by claiming that "it depends." Your argument is then further weakened by claiming that "using 1 million deaths doesn't ensure they want us gone." Again, I have to wonder if your sister was raped by foreign troops or if your mother and father had been shot dead by outside forces if you would still have that same sanguine attitude.
You say that "I trust Obama will find the honest, diplomatic route out of Iraq." Based upon what, his broken promise of removing American soldiers out of Iraq, not even in 16 months but over an extended 19 month period of time? I have mentioned this before but it would seem to bear repeating. I strongly recommend that you read The Liberal Defence of Murder by Richard Seymour [who runs the blog over at Lenin's Tomb]. Seymour persuasively argues the case that liberals throughout the world have been just as eager to commit and maintain wars of aggression as their more obvious conservative counterparts. If you find that book somewhat opaque then you may try reading Savage Mules by Dennis Perrin which is somewhat more accessible than the previous book. Lance Selfa's The Democrats: A Critical History also lays out the same ground in fairly easy to understand terms.
You believe that "not all Iraqis want us out..." Again, that statement simply defies credibility as every major poll taken since the United States illegally invaded Iraq shows that the majority of Iraqis justifiably want the U.S. military the hell out of their country.
The United States does not belong in Iraq just like it did not justify invading and bombing and occupying Vietnam or any of the other one hundred conflicts that it had initiated during the past one hundred years.
Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis-resist the American empire.
Once again, Erroll, what's your solution? Stop bombing civilians in Afghanistan and a string of condescending and insulting name calling? That's YOUR solution? Criticize others with impunity without suggesting a redemptive alternative? No wonder you Neocons are DOA politically. Your real "solution" is not to lift up America with workable solutions and cooperation but to criticize and condemn others.
Get a clue, pal. The people of Iraq wanted us out long ago but you Neocons still indulge your lurid fantasy that we are liberating heroes doing them a favor. That's about as credible as your WMD fantasy. And if you have credible evidence that you actually know what the "average" Iraqi thinks---bring it on. Otherwise, stop your boasting and projecting.
I'll look forward to the time when you actually have a comprehensive solution that is actually worth considering. Condemning others and being the party of "no" isn't an action plan. It's the tactic of small, petty minds who are devoid of ideas and leadership ability.
BMW 528
Another bizarre post proving that liberals can be just as illogical as their neoconservative brethern. As I attempted to explain at my comment at 02-24 at 21:51, apparently to no avail, you still stubbornly cling to your misguided belief that if anyone dares to criticize the great Obama, then that person must be a neoconservative while still ignoring the fact that true leftists recognize the fact that Obama is, like Bush and Cheney, another American imperialist who seems determined, like his predecessor, to occupy countries and bomb as many innocent people as he can.
I also fail to understand what "insulting name calling" that I had engaged in. Nowhere did I use any abusive language and nor did I, unlike you, launch any ad hominem attacks against anyone. But apparently you seem to believe that any criticism of Obama falls under the category of "insulting name calling." You mention "workable solutions" while again criticizing me for supposedly not offering any. Again, as I tried to point out, keeping American soldiers in countries which never threatened anyone is not, to use your term, a workable solution. I also hardly think that a neocon, as you so less than smoothly put, would be advocating that the U.S. remove their troops from Afghanistan and Iraq post haste. That is the only workable solution. What you are refusing to acknowledge is that it is not up to the United States to try to find a "solution" to Iraq's and Afghanistan's problems given the fact that since the United States is the one that is the single cause of the misery that has befallen both of those war-ravaged countries, it then follows that the United States, despite your claim, has absolutely no credibility whatsoever in trying to "help" Iraq and Afghanistan. The best way that the U.S. can help those countries is to get those soldiers out of there as quickly as possible.
You ask if I know what the "average" Iraqi thinks. Again, as I tried to explain earlier, every major poll has indicated, quite logically, that the Iraqis want the Americans to stop occupying their country. I directed this question to the other commenter but apparently I must pose it to you also [though I am sure it would not do any good at all]. How would you feel if a foreign soldier broke down the door to your house and began to intimidate and harass and bully your family? How would you feel if you were displaced from your home and had to flee to another country? How would you feel if foreign soldiers killed your family while they were driving through a checkpoint? Like so many Americans, it is quite doubtful that you would place yourself in the position of these people and imagine how they think and feel. Empathy is a trait that Americans seem to be totally bereft.
You talk about leadership ability. Are you referring to the leadership ability of Obama who wishes to keep 17,000 troops in Afghanistan while also maintaining as many as 50,000 troops in Iraq? Not exactly the sterling qualities of an antiwar candidate, which is what he portrayed himself to be during the election, now is it? Or are you yet again going to bizarrely claim that I am somehow a neoconservative for pointing out that obvious truth?
Again, you inquire, what's the solution? This is not rocket science. The solution if for liberal interventionists [as Richard Seymour points out in his book The Liberal Defence of Murder and Dennis Perrin in Savage Mules and Lance Selfa in The Democrats: A Critical History] like Obama not to invade and occupy and bomb, like their neoconservative colleagues, nations which have never threatened anyone in these United States. As long as Obama continues to stupidly insist upon keeping American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and continues to order drone missiles into Pakistan, which have killed innocent women and children, then the United States, under his direction, will be hated and feared by both third world countries and terrorists alike.
Afghans, Iraqis, Pakistanis, etc.- resist the American empire.
"complaining is not an action plan" this needs to latched onto and spread across the media.
I am willing to give him a chance. He isn't like Bush that put troops there in the first place. Obama isn't the blood thirty Bring it on person looking for more wars to fight. He wants to make sure getting out wisely is the best root. Just remember these wars were Bush's messes he is trying to clean.
Ya took the words right outta my mouth!
Erroll...is that one of the MANY differences between Bush and Obama, is that, bush started these wars with NO exit strategy, or even THOUGHTS of an exit strategy...Obama is going to end these wars.
It will of course take time. But he's gonna clean up the many messes left behind by our former child president.
I am so incredibly astonished when a politician chooses to address me as though I am intelligent adult. I am SOOOO not used to that. I am so grateful that Obama articulates nuance so comfortably.
Then there is Jindal treating me like an idiot. And...it's a good thing to bring up Republican FEMA response to Katrina?!?!? And...did he REALLY hold up Louisiana schools as models for the nation?!?! Oh shit!!!!
>> what an immense pleasure it was to listen to coherent thoughts, well articulated! Bravo, Barrack!
As for Bobby, well - he should have read the President's speech before he wrote his.
"We're Number 1!" "We can do it!" "Go team!"
Talk is cheap. So what are we going to do? And when?
Before you can do anything you have to get peoples attention.
Ain't no way you're gonna bring us down!
pretty much without qualification. really, I feel like this is some kind of dream. this wasn't even his high-quality "bracing speech" level of speechifying. it was very much like "Lick my love pump" from Spinal Tap, you know "just simple lines, intertwining...", said what was wrong and what he wanted to do about it.
best moments for me were, re: the budget review process - "We've already identified $10 Trillion dollars in savings over the next 10 years."
what?! really? jeeeezus.
"Health care can't and won't wait one more year" - very good to hear, that is indeed the proper time frame for this one. it is something we can do, NOW, and it will be economically stimulative in the short and long term.
and just the overall emphasis on education, a lot of this speech was about the value of education, and it was really a good and uplifting theme. we really do very badly need better education here, we are not in good shape. and nothing will help solve our problems better than a well-informed populace.
Sorry, I was trying to respond to someone else!
Great speech, but i really wish more time had been given on discussing iraq, and when the troops are coming home- Kieth Olbermnn suggested it wouldn't get top focus and was right- Even still, Obama did a great job and he gives me hope.
Jindal's response was pathetic- and easy material for parody on SNL
Oooooh, I'm gonna set my Tevo. Can't miss that one!
are reviving that show.
he refers to healthcare reform in terms of "affordable" it will fail.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588472?sr...
and
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588331?sr...
I linked to two good articles and the stupid website makes you log in.
Another reason for reform.
CNN told me he sucked!
What a Speech!! WONDERFUL!!
His speech left a smile on my face =)
Obama gives us 'hope', the republicans give us a 'dope.'
no doubt whatsoever.
I would like to thank all of my American cousins for electing Barack Obama. We (feriners) can't do it and the last 8 years were an endless nightmare. It's so frustrating when you sit by year after year and hope that America gets rid of Bush, but you can't do a damn thing about it yourself.
And special thanks to C&L, and C&Lers, for keeping me sane through it. I thought I was alone for sooooo very long. Then someone sent me Colbert's speech roasting Bush, from C&L archives, and I've been coming ever since.
for a lot of people. The man was pretty brave to do what he did. And deserves all the success he has.
The sour expressions on the Repubs faces were most amusing to me. I have said in mutiple comments on various subject matter these guys are acting like school kids. They are so in a state of denial . . . they are so lost with no prominent leader telling them what to do or say.
Obama was amazing and really spoke to the needs of the people. He gave a much needed flicker of hope and "can do" attitude.
This man has only begun to make history; if the teams in Congress are sufficiently adequate to the purpose, ... legend.
Obama's speech made me shit my pants! It was THAT GOOD!!!
yeah, that was pretty awesome. it almost makes me like americans again.
edit: i've always liked americans, but this makes me proud of it.
I have to say that the single most important reason why I voted for Obama was this exact reason - faith and trust abroad.... McCain would have drowned this possibililty for genereations to come...
And more wow.
To think that we have this graceful, intelligent, visionary man in the White House after eight years of destruction wrought by a bumbling, bereft wastrel is amazing indeed. I almost have to pinch myself.
Obama, Democrats and progressives care about the country. The Republicans care only about their party. They are, essentially, traitors.
What a contrast tonight. And what a relief that this man is here to lead us through these parlous, perilous times.
Republicans don't even know what they can do to stop his agenda without deeply harming them forever. A recent poll I believe from the NYT shows that 78% of Americans believe that democrats have been trying to work on a bipartisanship way while only 31% of republicans are doing the same. Let's not forget that the average of blind hopeless neocons in America is around 31%.
They wouldn't support Obama if he follows their agenda, that's their nature. If republicans want to implode by keeping progress and prosperity from happening, that's a beautiful thing because times are changing, cameras are rolling and information is readily accessible to everyone at any time. I predict that we will be able to keep the White House, Congress and the House for the next 8 years.
I'm so glad to have this man as our President.
As a former professional wrestling fan, I had to say it: Obama is the most electrifying man in White House history! Do you smell what Barack is cookin?
Thank you :-)
I don't know, I do appreciate Obama, he is very intelligent, and I am as far left as you get. And I have no horse in this race since I choose not to vote so I call it like I see it.
After 9-11 Bush wanted us to go out and shop.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Isn't that what Obama said last night as well? He wants to help people be able to buy cars and houses? To get the economy running again?
He did choose better words then Bush but isn't he saying the same thing?
Buying more "stuff" might help the economy but is it sustainable? Is is good for my children to put another car on the road or to tear down another acre of trees for a house? Maybe he just wants to get the economy to a no-growth level again, but if we keep having babies I do not see the long term out for society being all that good.
But that Jindal speech, oh my god, that was terrible. He said so many inane things I could not keep track. His fake "by golly"'s were making me nuts. That may play out in Peoria but....
Bush told us to go shop. Obama, as you wrote, wants to help people **be able** to shop. There is an entire universe of difference there.
It is the same thing silly!
I am talking about the shopping. Maybe we should not be able to shop? Maybe not being able to shop is the answer.
He just wants to get us back to where Bush wanted us to be. Where Bush got us is where we are, so Obama wants to get us back to the place we were before the economy crashed?
And where did all my other posts go?
"It is the same thing silly!"
First of all, no it isn't. Second, don't you dare condescend to me like that, unless you want me to start treating you like you're as old as you're acting.
Bush exhorting people to shop meant quite clearly, "Just blindly trust us and keep on like everything is normal." Obama, by contrast, wants us to *be able* to shop, which means giving us the choice to do so or not; i.e. actually fixing the economy.
Our Prez friggin NAILED IT!
I was so pumped, so happy, so...stoked after that incredible speech!
But Jindal....LMAO!!! WTF? Talk about anti-climactic! That guy would screw up a wet dream!
Totally tone deaf.
my sister called and was like, "Who the hell is that guy, and why is he on my tv?"
She mentioned that never happened when bush was in office? No Democratic rebuttals after his lame speeches...
Why was he allowed to be on teevee, right after that awesome speech by Obama, to attempt to undermine the President?
And using lies and RNC talking points like so many trolls in this blog?
I think that just shows how OUT OF TOUCH the GOP really is!
HA!
I love your line, John, "wrapped his arms around America." Didn't it feel great????
And Jindal was unbelievably lame! I can't begin to describe the big, creeping, appalled feeling I had when he started in. He was like some small town furniture store proprietor doing a TV commercial. Let alone the content of his remarks which was so off-the-mark I thought he was smoking something.
BTW, anyone who was watching it on MSNBC, did you hear the under-the-breath "Oh, my God..." from somebody's left-on mike (KO?) when he walked into the scene? I thought just from the way he looked (the kind of sickly smile and the namby-pamby walk)--and I'm sorry, I know he can't help the way he looks--that this is NO Republican answer to Barack Obama. They need some serious counseling, that group.
I totally caught that!
I knew it had to be Keith!
NO Kelly...let the GOP sink or swim or their own!
They don't DESERVE counseling!
Obama's speech was INSPIRING.
How many of you had an orgasm?
but definitely a stiffy!
when he said we will reduce the deficit 50% at the same time......IMPOSSIBLE!
It's better than any of bushes so called speeches...scared turtle would be an apt description of the effect on the nethers after bush would get done slaughtering the English language.
Can anyone answer my question posted earlier about the content of his speech?
To try to compare, Obama to bush, is like comparing Billy Ray Cyrus to Mozart.
Occasionally, by mere coincidence, they may use the same notes, but while one is a one hit wonder, the other, will be remembered forever, and looked to for inspiration.
How's that?
I am not comparing Obama to Bush. I am comparing what Obama said to what Bush said. They are very different speakers but they are saying the same thing. "Go out and buy stuff."
Is what you are saying to me that if they are leading us to the same place you would rather have the one that says it better?
I do not want someone who will be remembered forever, I want someone who will bring us to a sustainable place.
First of all...even though you say you're not comparing the men, but rather, comparing the speeches...you are still darwing comparisons between the men. IMHO
This is a totally different situation than that after 9-11.
Both though, still bushco's fault.
And no sir, I am NOT saying that at all...it's quite obvious to most people, that Obama is not going to lead us to same place that bush did...I am saying, that Obama, BECAUSE he will lead us into a new prosperity, that is sustainable, WILL be remembered forever...and the fact that he's such a great orator, is just icing on the cake.
These are totally different men, agreed. But if we have two capitalists who believe that spending more is the way to a better future I do not care how they say it, it is a problem to me.
I do not give a poop about who's fault it all is. But yes, it is Bush Co's fault, agreed. So if Obama is saying "buy houses and cars", how is that different from Bush and why will it not lead us to the same place?
So HOW is he going to lead us into sustainable prosperity if he is following the Bush legacy of "buy more things"? Isn't what he said here trickle down economics;?
I felt very good during his speech, but I am a Buddhist, so I have learned to look past feeling, and I am now questioning.
...that is what I thought. When you get down to the meat of it no one has anything to say. Blogs are like TV, only for those with short attention spans.
Seems to me that he laid it all out quite well.
And I DO give a shit about whose fault it is.
I'm no economist, but seems obvious to me that if we cut our expenditures in Iraq and Afghanistan, while investing in infrastructure, and green technology...you know...retooling our auto industry...will help a great deal, just for starters.
And granted the economic recovery bill that just passed wasn't perfect, but SOMETHING had to be done, and done fast...and there were no ideas coming from the GOP...well other than "tax cuts here, a little deregulation there" you know...more of the same failed policies that got us here in the first place.
So other than your skepticism...what solutions do you have?
...is still doing something.
Is the suffering of simplicity too much for people to handle? Did you ever think that there is too much in the world and that building the economy will only make a bigger bubble with more waste? Maybe we need to come back in balance, have two families live in one house, eat less, drive less. Where is the sacrifice?
Strong economies lead to more waste, it is inevitable.
Just a correction: the administration is not pulling out of Afghanistan, they is putting more troops there.
And skepticism is healthy, and more healthy with things you are attracted to.
I am not against any particular point Croatoan...I actually agree with some of your comments. But we must have a strong economy...regressing back to an agrarian society just isn't gonna happen...technology is just too friggin awesome.
What we need to do, is like you said, find the balance, the happy medium between modernity, and a sustainable green and happy planet.
Except, and let me refine my point.
Doing nothing regarding the economy is NOT an option.
Correction noted, but isn't the point of increasing troops in Afghanistan intended to end the conflict ASAP?
I'm a skeptic as well. And believe it or not, we may actually have alot in common...philosophically speaking.
...without money? I think we can and I think it is the way out out of having corporations take advantage of unknowledgeable people.
I am not talking about agrarianism, but we will end up with it if we do not curb economic growth.
And tech is awesome until it breaks. :^)
really glad to see the words of praise for teddy. brought some tears to my eyes. teddy is from a wealthy family and he had the silver spoon yet he battled all his life for those less fortunate. bravo, teddy we appreciate your lifetime of dedication. see you on the other side.
Another part that made me get all choked up was the part about that little girl from SC...
Canter is on my NPR radio right now. "Complaining is not an action plan" dickhead!!
the adulation and praise everyone would get on the blogs if we only had a professional speech writer. Women would pass out. Men would (apparently according to blogs) orgasm continually. The heavens would fall down around our feet.
It was a speech. A good one. His speechwriter Jonathan Favreau should be commended for creating the aura of "How many of you had an orgasm?"
I realize Bush couldn't speak any language, much less english, but does everybody always reward the person saying the speech, or the person that actually wrote it?
Can, you just for once...not be a damn wet blanket?
You sound like my friggin little brother..."everything sucks, nothing's cool"...
GAH!
When it comes to speaking politicians the BS (lack of substance) is unlimited. During Obama's state of the union address the red line (republican-McCain voters) was stuck on maximum agreement. Just a quick look at McCain and some of the Republican faces showed this was also BS, but MSNBC didn't show that side of the hall much. The following article summarizes the situation, overall, and there is very little help coming for 5 years (when those derivatives expire). Did you hear anything about re-industrializing the country? Without THAT we won't even do as well as France, Japan, or Germany. Did you see anything about how we will have to get used to living like coolies, real fast?! Take a look at the stock market...it is still being churned by the funds in a spiral of death.
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-28/news/w...
Is that not a RW site?
You're trying to convince me that Obama's speech was BS...by linking to an article from a RW site?
Yeah...ok...so...cordandwire...
What do YOU think we should do?
What direction do you think this country should be heading?
OK...I think I may have thinkin of The Villager or something...the village voice seems like a reasonable site.
So what do we do?
Nothing?
What besides criticism do any of you have to offer?
Kinda gettin tired of do nothing complainers.
Haven't you ever heard the old southern saying? "Do SOMETHING! Even if it's wrong!"?
Doin nothing is not an option.
...even if it is wrong is not a place of wisdom.
Besides, the administration thinks this is the right thing to do.
It is...after all. a southern saying.
is doing the best they can with what they've been given.
What is it you expect them to do?
Sit on their hands and HOPE it turns out ok?
Obama could make a train wreck look like the Rose Parade with the way he speaks. What a difference between Obama and Bush. What a difference.
The price of gold may rise and fall but the nature of gold remains the same.
From the article:
"CNN's David Gergen said this about President Obama's speech:
"...This was the most ambitious president we've ever heard in this chamber in decades. The first half of the speech was FDR, fighting for the New Deal. The second half was Lyndon Johnson, fighting for the great society and we've never seen those two presence rolled together in quite this way."
I think it's "...those two Presidents rolled together..." Makes for a yummy mashup. Crunchy LBJ with a creamy FDR center. Oh boy!
If that was electrifying, I'd prefer the electric chair.
Smartass!
Makes the great majority of Americans very, very, glad that McSame didn't win. If he had America would be in grave danger now. Reslugs don't give a shit about our problems, that were inherited from Dumbya.
The Root Cause of the finanacial crisis is Housing, and Dept of HUD Section 8 is Key to solve the problem, NOT Dept of Treasury. Unfortunately, I have no way to reach President Obama for past months, and his team does NOT seem to have expertise to figure this out as I monitor the news every day.
The key solution to solve all financial problems in one stone, that is deal with the ROOT problem. The root problem is sub prime, alt-A, housing mortgage ...etc. By applying Section 8 from HUD, all homeowner who need emergency to pay their mortgage payment will come from Section 8 Voucher, and therefore all mortgage payments are FED guaranteed, and all derivatives and mortgage paper values will be restored immediately. When that happen, all banks or financial institution including Fannimae and Fredimae will have all their lost paper values back instantly.
As I have documented the solution in the blog US government does NOT need to reinvent the wheel, HUD is there, Section 8 is there, and even better, IRS is there.
US government wants to help millions of Americans to "keep their promise", paying the mortgage payment they signed; therefore, all mortgage papers will be valuable again. That is to say, US government will provide some Section 8 vouchers to millions home owners need assistance (the grand), and together with a housing loan that will be collected back by IRS in the future. that is to say, if one desperated homeowner borrow $20,000 from US government for 5 years, going forward, their income will be deducted by IRS or increase the withhold amount each month.
This will be true for Americans looking to buy an American made cars. Banks may not want to loan money to buyers, fearing buyers may not be able to pay car payment, whereas US government will NOT because IRS can always collect future income from the car loan borrower. Even better, since most American worked for years, and they have submit FICA or Social Security for years, the government can consider to let them BORROW back the contribution.
In any case, if my proposal is NOT adopted, I will still continue helping you and US by basing down gas price, and you shall see that Oil price collapsed in the near future, and, of course, US Dollars appreciated, and Trade Deficit shrink and may be eliminated altogether.
As you know, with President's adoption, the solution is like placed into encyclopedia, and will work very fast. Otherwise, I will still let the solution placed in Wiki and it shall work very fast as well. Either way, you will be the greatest President in the US.
Why I have all these insights whereas all US scholars, experts, officials ... never able to see? It is because I have a unique experience of helping thousands of homeless to move off homelessness USING MY OWN money. When one using others' money can not get the fact and efficiency. And, I have seen all these homeless issues expanded into huge scale, but, fortunately, I got Homeless Solutions. Without homeless solutions, it will cost YOU huge to help.
For example, it cost Bloomberg, NYC mayor, $33,000 and 11 months averagely to help move off homeless. But, it costs me a few hundreds. You can see if you are dealing with millions of homeless rather than thousands like in NYC, your burden is huge!!!
On the other hand, if you can find anyone who spend his own money and resources to help thousands homeless to move off street, that person can provide you the same very cost effective solution on Housing issue in general, after all, each homeless was evicted by landlord or foreclosure or lost job ...etc at one time of their life. How to quickly and cost effectively restore their life and productivity is the key.
stone-faced, untouched, unmoved. My question for them is, when are they going to begin to help the country? When are they going to help working to solve the problems that their policies have created? When are they going to start helping to solve this mess that they have gotten us into?
Because, that's not part of their job description...
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