Sheppard Smith blasts Joe the Plumber for saying a vote for Obama means death to Israel
Wow, Sheppard Smith goes after Joe the Plumber for the insane statements he made at an RNC event today about Obama. Will John McCain still be using Joe the Plumber in all his new ads since he's saying Obama will destroy Israel? (rough transcript)
Sheppard: Why specifically is a vote for Obama a vote for the death of Israel?
Joe: Well specifically, look at his record. Obama's agreed to meet with Israel's enemies with no uncertain terms.. In fact he's letting them dictate terms to him and then look at his past associations, people he talks to...
Sheppard: Like who?
Joe: Quite honestly, you know, the gentleman that approached me with that question I agreed to with what I know...
Sheppard: What I can't figure our is why, let's listen to this clip from earlier.
Q: A vote for Obama is a vote for the death to Israel. I'ss guarantee you that.
Joe: Well, you know what? I'll actually agree with you on that one. I agree with you. I really think that would be a problem.
Sheppard: Joe, do you know Barack Obama's positions on Israel?
Joe: Ahhh, listen, I know you want to really get some answers on this one, I'm just not going to help you out here Sheppard. Let people go out and find it issues....
Sheppard: Do you think John McCain agrees with you?
Joe: No, it's just my personal opinion that I've come up with looking at different facts.
Listen, you don't want my opinion on foreign policy. I know just enough to probably be dangerous.
Sheppard: Well that's what I was kind of wondering. I wonder if you think it's dangerous at all for people to say a vote for Barack Obama is the same as a vote for Israel. If you think that's something dangerous for people to start believing because what happens if the polls are right and he becomes the President of the US and people start thinking this means the death of Israel. Are you worried what people might do if they actually believed something like that?
Joe: Well again, that goes back again to what I've been saying.
Sheppard: I just want to make this 100% perfectly clear. Barack Obama has said repeatedly and demonstrated repeatedly that Israel will always be a friend to the United States no matter what happens once he becomes President, his words.
Nice tag Shep. What a very silly man that Joe is. He couldn't name one thing Obama has done for anyone to say something so outrageous as that. And he refused to even answer Sheppard's questions. He probably thought he would be getting the Huckabee/Cavuto/Hannity treatment. Hey Joe, you ain't pretty no more.
Get a contractor's license, pay your taxes, and shut the fvck up. You're a moroon!
Poor, pathetic Joe. He's just a product of the Rove Doctrine that has infected the Rethuglican party -- if you repeat something enough, no matter how unfounded, people will believe it.
Remember the IRAQ LIE? Same shit. They repeated the mantra of WMDs in order to ram their ill-fated policy down our throats
This is what comes from confusing CAMPAIGNING with COMPETENT GOVERNANCE. The rethugs think that holding office is one eternal propaganda campaign. That is why Obama and Biden are such a breath of fresh air for people. Obama, while inexperienced, has demonstrated real leadership and integrity, while Biden represents competence in policy and governance.
So, BTW, do you think JOE LIEBERMAN IS A FASCIST? Just asking...
Some people ARE sayin' that Joe Liberman is a fascist...
I would be one of those people. I have seen footage and studied WW2. I know what Israel is doing to Palestine is akin to Nazi Concentration camps.
Joe Liberman supports them blindly and is helping to subjugate the will of the US for Israel. That to me, sounds very much like a fascist.
Mussolini called it the "merger of state and corporate power" I think that describes Joe nicely.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Talk about the dumbing down of America. Between this moron and Caribou Barbie....
I like Sheppard
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Shep just signed a new contract so his a** is covered...he's the only one on FNS that I see going against the company line on a consistent basis.
Every Republican president has made Israel weaker and more vulnerable to violence. The opposite is true of Democrats
Under Nixon, Israel lost Sinai to the Egyptians.
Under Carter, Israel signed a peace treaty with Egypt.
Under Reagan, the Palestinians started the 1987 uprising, and Israel lost a lot of it credibility in the world.
Under Bush, the Palestinian upraising grew stronger.
Under Clinton, Israel signed Peace treaty with several Arab states.
Under Dubya, Israel lost to a rag tag Hezbollah militia, plus all the progress between Arabs and Jews went down the toilet.
That is because when the Republicans get in power Israel gets arrogant and on the offencive. They are receiving more back up, more money and it helps facilitate the genocidal plans to remove the Arab's by 'lowering their population'.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
By all his not-based-on-sanity rantings, Joe probably lost most of his customers. I mean, who'd want to have their plumbing fixed by some guy who shoots his mouth off and endangers the safety of others. Joe's talk is what led to the Oklahoma City bombing. Good riddance Joe, after this election. May you sink back into obscurity.
New info about Oklahoma City? Please tell us about it.
I watched the Channel 4 footage captured by Alex Jones. I would say if you have not seen it. Look for it.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Amen to that . The only person that would qualify as a plumber is a JOURNEYMAN and Joe is not a journeyman, despite what McCrazy and Failin' state!
He's not a moron. He's saying exactly what he has been told to say. He was a plant from a the GOP. It's ridiculous we are even paying attention to him. You are giving him the power to speak as if he was an unbiased part of the electorate.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Joe is an incompetent idiot. I'm just glad his 15 minutes are up. Next time the Republican candidates need to pick better stooges to get into the rivals campaign. WHAT A TOOL!!!!
He was a fucking novelty act, nothing more. That some pig-ignorant dipshit is on teevee talking some dangerous bollocks is outstanding.
I work for a major media organization abroad and we would have our asses handed to us if we ever pulled some Joe-the-Plumber shit like this. Can we please get Obama elected because I am sick and fucking tired of defending American stupidity.
This made me mad as hell. I could seriously put my fist through a screen. Thank God we have grown-up news here.
Can we please cut the shit about having regular guys speak for us? I want elites, smart people, the intellectuals, eggheads, anyone but Joe-The-Fucking-Plumber.
Does Joe the "plumber" or whatever he is, speak for you?
Doesn't look like it...I say let the GOP pick out more ignorant rubes from their klan...I mean political rallies to speak for them...it just makes them look incredibly inept and woefully uninformed.
Which is good for us...bad for them.
I can't think of anyone in the GOP speaking for me, unless they re-animate Dwight Eisenhower. It's hard living abroad when you have shitheads like this guy all over the place. The Europeans just don't get it. Luckily, I am one of the "right-thinking Americans" who sees through all of the bullshit and smoke and mirrors. It just frustrates the hell out of me.
when you get a little over the top as liberalNmoderation points out.
That...is a monstrous difference between those who can look at both sides and admit error and the republican minions who intellectually shut down 'cause there is no intellect in there.
Kudos!
They have Joe the Plumber we have Colin Powell but the MSM loves this redneck. You have to admit the Repulicans are masters at framing.
No shit! The differences in the overseas news quality vs. the shit broadcasting domestically are criminal.
I want to travel again without being embarassed of where I'm from, or defending the indefensibly ignorant & stupid behaviour in this country.
Sad to say, but when I want objective news about our country I watch the BBC (when I'm not blogging.)
...I want to travel again without being embarassed of where I'm from,...
Wear a Canadian flag-pin.
...Is the exposed asscrack of the McCain campaign.
I think what really ticks me off the most, is that Barack Obama actually took the time to talk to Joe the Clown, one on one, and try to explain his tax plan to this moron. The only thing this idiot comes away with is "socialist" and "enemy of Israel". And no, his 15 minutes of fame is not enough, now he's talking book deal and running for Congress. Oh yeah, I'm gonna run right out and buy his book "Chicken Soup For the McCain Plant's Soul" and the sequel "A Walk Down the Aisle at Home Depot Where All Those Bent Pipe Thingys Are and Other Plumbing Stuff That Nobody Gives A Crap About For Dummies".
"All Those Bent Pipe Thingys Are and Other Plumbing Stuff" are the nuts and bolts of civilized life. Or do you shit in the woods?
This guy is just an ignorant idiot. He is about on par for both McCain and Palin who are also idiots. Hopefully we are getting away from looking to the lowest common denominator in politics. We don't need Beavis and Butthead running this country anymore.
This is not a struggle between the right and the left. It is a struggle to wrestle the country back for the stupid idiots.
same thing, really.
were really the "death of Israel", why would the Jewish vote in the country be pro-Obama 75-25? Most Jews in the U.S. are extremely well-informed as to candidates' position on Israel. If they are overwhelmingly for Obama, they just might know something that Joe, intellect that he seems to be, doesn't know.
My ex is Jewish and he sent me a funny picture of a huge marquee in front of a Jewish synogogue in Florida that said in huge letters: "VOTE FOR THE SCHVARTZE!!" (In case you're not hip to Yiddish, "Schvartze" means a black person).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Sadly, Sam the Plumber seems like an average joe, too lazy to read and think before forming an opinion. And what's the deal with the Fox guy standing up for what's right? That makes no sense at all.
Sometimes, even Shepard Smith strays from the GOP narrative goes into unfamiliar territory....truth.
Weird ain't it?
Maybe Shepard Smith and maybe even Fox will lay-off a bit on their Republican talking points because the country is about to take a major shift to the left.
Their ratings may not be all that great in a new Democratic era. As much as Murdoch is a conservative, I think he is really a businessman first. He may loosen up on his rightwing ideology to go more with the new flow for ratings purposes. Fox was a great business during the Republican era, but it may not be such a great place to be during a new Democratic era.
I really don't know how Kool-Aidian Smith has been in the past, but honestly, I've seen him a few times recently really go off on McCain surrogates like Joe who just fed him imaginary talking points. He's a goof sometimes, as well, of course - talking about the economic crisis he said "I was out the other day and life was going on as normal, people were eating at restaurants .. maybe this just isn't that bad.
But especially on Fox News, I find him pretty hard to be unlikable these days. I like at the end of that interview he called Wurzelbacher "frightening."
I guess he works at Fox but he still uses his brains.
Remember when Sheppard went toe to toe with Hannity during the Katrina catastrophe? As Shep reported that people were not allowed to go from New Orleans to Gretna? Hannity said "Let's get some perspective." Sheppard said "THATS ALL THE PERSPECTIVE YOU NEED!"
Joe has the same problem all the religious right nutbags have, they want to believe and won't listen to reason. They are just stupid dipshit cowards.
This guy is just a fucking liar!
Sheppard Smith is the only person in that entire organization with anything approaching integrity and he always has been. Granted the bar isn't very high on that qualification at Faux Noise, but he's the only one even halfway trying.
Of every semi-coherent idiot who listens to and absorbs AM radio talking points and can spew them on demand, as if such parroting was a substitute for real thought, or true intelligence. And while all the networks delve into this quagmire of toxic ignorance/stupidity frequently, only FoxNews does it with the regularity of a downtown weekday bus schedule. Fairly imbalanced.
That kind of hate-slogan talking point venom is blasting out of right-wing hate radio all day, every day - and a huge segment of our population listens to it at work and then flips on FoxNews when they get home. Joe the Plumber must have been surprised that he didn't sound as cool and awesome repeating Limbaugh and Savage mantras as those millionaire 'priests' right wing ideology do on the radio. the reason for that is the second anyone begins to apply reason or logic to the received wisdom of the righty hate nuts - they get shown up for the despicable idiots they are.
Okay, look; if this dipshit is going to be the new spokesidiot for the Nazis - can we at least call him by his name?
It's Sam Wurzelbacher - and he is not a licensed plumber.
Let's call him "Sam the Tax Dodger."
Sheppard Smith will not be on Faux much longer if he keeps this up.
'Talk to the hand'
Why are we breeding it in astounding numbers in this country? It's perverse!
As much as I hate Fox News in general, Sheppard Smith may be the best anchor out there. I don't know why they keep him on at Fox.
Can you imagine Couric or Williams or any of the other main stream anchors giving such a blistering interview?
the idiots are only fed the talking points. Asked to explain their position or better yet, explain Obama's position they can't.
can't wait until this loser goes back under the rock he came out from -- oh wait, Ohio, he wants you to send him to Congress!
Sheppard: Joe, do you know Barack Obama's positions on Israel?
Joe: Ahhh, listen, I know you want to really get some answers on this one, I'm just not going to help you out here Sheppard. Let people go out and find it issues....
Simply, fucking amazing. I am literally speechless.
Why is "Sam the Tax Dodger" even being given air time? He is a nobody.
We could certainly slow the aging process down if it had to work its way through Congress.
- Will Rogers
What Joe says in essence is "People should not do like me, they should go out and find out issues..."
Palestine belongs to the people of the Mediterranean (Arabs, Christians and Jews from the Desert). As an Italian-American with Roman roots (my people settled Jerusalem), I have more right to live in Palestine with other Mediterranean people than do Zionists from Russia and Eastern Europe who have no connection, whatsoever, to the land and who cannot get along with their neighbors anyway. All of Palestine should be returned to the Palestinians. Jerusalem should be an International city controlled by the UN and overseen by the Vatican.
I have read The Washington Report for Middle Eastern Affairs history of Israel and what it took them volumes to get through you just succinctly stated in three sentences. Thank you.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
No connection to the land??? I'm sorry, but you need to review your middle east history. Jews have been living in that area for a VERY long time now. Jews ruled the Israel area before Rome was even a city.
Now, like so many other cultures, the Jews were conquered by he Romans:
http://www.jfri.org/page.aspx?id=41407
and as such have no more or no less claim to the lands than any other culture that inhabited the area before or after the fall of the Jewish empire. The Jewish "claim" to the lands comes from scripture so Jews and many Christians "feel" the Jews are entitled to the area.
Personally, I feel the area was filled with a diverse group before the Jews settled and after they were dispersed by the Romans and as such the area would be better controlled in an atmosphere of diversity and not Zionism.
Gold Mier once said "Authority poisons everybody who takes authority on himself. " which is a good analysis of the current situations. The Jews have taken authority unto themselves. Now, I have to qualms with a "Jewish" nation; however, that nation needs to be inclusive in order to ensure piece --- especially in an area where you have Muslims, Jews, Christians, and other religions trying to coexist.
Well, to cut this short the Jews can make claim to the area --- but so can others --- but to say Italians have MORE right to the area is very misguided.
Russia and Eastern Europe are not anywhere near the Mediterranean!
And your point is.... I'm not following you here. Russia??? Europe???
What a Goddamn fraud! How is it that a fucking plumber could have the gall to believe that he has the credentials to speak out concerning U.S. foreign policy? Grandpa put this dumb mother fucker up to this shit, and now has left the stupid bastard out with his dick hanging in the wind. The Repukes pimped this fool(they've always used us common folk) and they will dump his ass after Tuesday.
Where do you think he got this info?
The network noted that the McCain campaign seemed hesitant to distance itself from Wurzelbacher. Correspondent Carl Cameron said that the McCain campaign was going to put out an ad today criticizing Obama policies on Israel.
"Just a coincidence?" he asked. "We report you decide."
We could certainly slow the aging process down if it had to work its way through Congress.
- Will Rogers
This new Baldy is as dumb as the other Baldy (at Homeland Security).
Well didn't anyone listen, he's agreeing with the guy from Middle America, where they really care about Israel.
Seriously when did redneck america quit hating and start loving jews?
i said it before on here , while its to late for the old WILLie HORTON slogan as they did against dukacas thats why thier useing this goon!
has got to be coming to an end. i don't see how they can continue.
I think this person belongs in the septic tank. His brain is obviously a cesspool of political spin from the repukes. No facts, no truth, no substance. . . just manure and stench!
the Dumber!
but you volunteered to be part of the freak show. You wanted your 15 minutes, and now you look like an ass. Not a nice ass, either; more of a chewed bubblegum old geezer in the YMCA locker room looking ass.
Why is this race still so tight?
Does Sam the Asshole ever do any plumbing work besides spewing his rightwing fantasies to the media? I wouldn't trust this fucko to rotoroot my toilet.
"$name the $job" has got to be the dumbest campaign tactic ever.
What a joke, he still fired off the whole "redistribute the paychecks of hard working Americans" bullshit.
How fu*king stupid is it, this late in a campaign, to put some ignorant fu*king "plumber" on the stage to help boost your cause? Man, that John McCain can sure pick 'em.
Between Elisabeth Hasselbeck and this dip shit, this campaign is starting to look like a farce. How many more clowns will spring from the Straight Talk Express clown car?
If Obama's campaign had stooped this low he would be the laughing stock of the political world.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
A friend just sent me this link about McCain being involved in some mysterious accident in the 60's where someone "may" have been killed and it's being covered up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news...
Okay, it is Vanity Fair, which is a reputable magazine. But it seems like it's becoming the "silly season" this close to the election.
I had a friend send me stuff about Obama not having a legitimate birth certificate. I wrote back and said, "Yeah, well, he has a PASSPORT and you can NOT get a PASSPORT without an original birth certificate."
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
RE the passport thing. But passports are an alien concepts to so many Americans. Case in Point: I was in a grocery store a few years ago in a suburb of Chicago. I was buying some booze and the woman asked for my ID. No probs, I pulled out my passport. She then told me it wasn't valid ID, (I told her the State Department passes them out, they are more than valid, especially since I can't get in or out of the country without it,) and called over a manager who told her it was, and couldn't find my date of birth, even though I showed it to her when I handed it over (ok, so it is day/month/year format.) She smiled and said she'd never seen a passport before. My foreign husband was in utter disbelief. I've had a passport since I was 8 months old, my son has two of them.
This dipshit should forever be known as "JOE THE FLUFFER "
HA!
Stripped the threads on that piece of pipe.
They both sound like they have some kind of mental disconnect.
Is the McCain Campaign paying for "Joe Sh*t the Plumbers" daily head shave? He's so dumb he can't figure out he's being used!
After the election Nov 5 he'll fade so fast just like greased lightning from the public view, heading back to clearing up clogged toilets, or the hoseman on a "Johnny-on-the-Spot, or a Port-o- Potty" pump truck!
Or he'll get a show on FOX.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
The right is fighting amongst themselves for control. Their party's base is the uberrich that have courted the weak minded (racist/anti-abortionist/gun/religous nuts) and now they are fighting for control against these same weak minded people. They don't want a party of Palins. Thats why Joe gets the smackdown.
This clown is Sarah Palin with a pipewrench. These statements are clearly dangerous, and the perpetrators don't understand that their hate-speech has the clear potential to strike the tuning fork buried deep in the brain of the next Timothy McVeigh. We've already seen this in two White Supremicists planning a killing spree/assasination of Obama.
Should anything happen as a result, America needs to hold the RNC and McCain personally responsible for the beast they have unleashed.
Lieberman's "Homegrown Terrorism Act" about 9 months ago, but with Joe the Plumber, Palin, McCain, the dingbat Rep. from MN (Bachman?) and others spouting their hate maybe this law's not such a bad idea after all! (Kidding....sort of).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This little cretin is the poster boy for the Ugly American. Shame on McLoser for giving this racist a platform to spew its ignorance. Victory will be sweet next Tuesday after 8 long years of Dubya the moron who brought America down.
Is it the 21st century yet?
gonf says, "Victory will be sweet next Tuesday after 8 long years..."
Yes, if Obama wins, it will be sweet. But look what they're getting ready for if McCain wins:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/us...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This asshat actually thinks he will have a life in politics.
When this election is over the GOPers will drop him like a hot rock.
When he has to return to plumbing, he's going to fail in that too.
No Dem would/will hire him. What a dumbass. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Both of them, at the same time.stupid.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
fortunately Dems don't punish people for their political views so if he is a decent contractor he'll get work
He's not a contractor. He's a political hired gun. He's a hack.
If he ever showed up at my house. I'd tell him sorry, someone else got the job.
It's one thing to be a regular citizen with your own political views. It's quite another to be a hack.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Kudos to Sheppard Smith for being decent on this one. Sometimes I wonder why he works at that fake news store.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Me too. Shep often swims against the tide. Maybe inside somewhere he has principles.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
he still inserted the "redistribution" nonsense supplied by the McLame campaign
Joining Joe the Plumber at the next McSame/Appalin' rally: Sam the Butcher, Bob the Builder, Dorra the Explorer and Thomas the Tank Engine. What do they all have in common? Every one of them is a fantasy...NONE of them does what their surname implies...they are all posers.
This guy is in it way over his head. Letting this guy out on the campaign trail is truly flinging shit against the wall.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
No, "what a scary little man John McShame is." McAsshole is putting this idiot plumber out there to listen to. This silly plumber is spewing his views as if they are fact. They are not fact. The truth is he is stupid. Now other silly little minded people will believe him because McShithead put him up before the press. This is very dangerous.
McCain is putting these surrogates out there and giving them a free hand to say whatever in the hell they please....and what probably pleases the campaign. Meanwhile, McCain can keep his hands clean. It is indeed sneaky and frightening.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Wow. Yeah, Shep is going to be out of a job soon. Integrity has no place on a grifter network like Fox. There's a couple of anchors over at CNN that could use a break.
And Joe, poor sad Joe. A product of all the hate, vitriol and misinformation that McCain has poured into his campaign and that Republicans have been using for years to dupe middle brow, middle classed Americans into supporting policies that have turned the American Dream into a nightmare of debt and crumbling infrastructure.
I sympathize with Joe. I'm an unlicensed plumber too. I have to deal with all those rules that keep me from getting real jobs. But I also know the rules of a democracy. Freedom comes with costs. Not just the easy costs, like going to war, done in this country with a week of debate and the stroke of a pen, but the hard costs: reaching into your pocket to pay the dues you owe for the maintenance of your freedom.
History will frown on McCain. For all the underhanded, racist,immoral campaign tactics he pulled. He has done even more damage to the reputation of politicians . Now, Boosh did a pretty damn good job a screwing up the reputations of politicians. And when you really look at it, most of it is deserved. But McCain has taken it down to a new lower level.
I think Obama stands a change at repairing that reputation. I hope so.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/25/1224...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
- So Joe, do you have any evidence for your ridiculous claims?
- Uh, look, obviously I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass crack, if your viewers want evidence, they're going to have to make it up themselves.
Amazing that the Fox guy actually calls bull$hit on this; methinks I can hear a fat lady singing for the McCain/Failin' campaign.
Who's going to listen to him once his 15 minutes on the ole Warhol Meter-O-Fame have expired?
What goes around comes around. On cable TV today, every asshole with an opinion is treated as an expert, or at least a pundit (no matter how wrong they always seem to be). That's how we get people like Shepherd Smith. But now Smith sees Joe Wurtzelbacher holding press conferences, and people hanging on his every word. As much as Smith needs to carry the water for the Republicans, he can't let an outsider get the cred that he has as a "legitimate" news "professional". Smith saw that the plumber's 15 minutes were over, but he was still talking. This was just a little nudge to put the upstart back in his place.
Louisville Lawyer
What seems to have gone unmentioned is that Barack Obama hates Israel about as much as he is a socialist. Obama, like McCain, has sworn fealty to AIPAC while making sure Israel's needs come first while rarely if ever mentioning how the Palestinian people have been oppressed and stepped on by the Israelis.
It also should not be forgotten what this [alleged] hater of Israel said at the annual AIPAC meeting last June concerning Iran:
"As President, I will use all elements of American power to pressure Iran. I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon... There should be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action to defend our security and our ally Israel. Do not be confused.
"Sometimes there are no alternatives to confrontation. If we must use military force, we are more likely to succeed and have more support at home and abroad if we have exhausted our diplomatic options. That is the change we need in our policy."
If the militant Obama carries out his plan to attack Iran, the Iranians in turn will counterattack quite fiercely against the American army in Iraq. It would create a sea of turmoil from Afghanistan to Egypt as well as creating a severe oil crisis which in turn would spark dire economic consequences.
Like so many Democrats form the past, Obama does not wish to appear "weak on defense." By doing so, it will soon become difficult [if it has not already] to distinguish who is more to the right, Barack Obama or John McCain.
So now Obama's a righty? Everything the guy says you find an angle to slam his position. "Carry out his plan to attack Iran" standardly negative speculative neocon bullshit.
Get your own lies....and a personality.
John fails to mention McSpain's "bombx5 Iran" gaffe...
"Lies"? Because I dare to criticize the great Obama? Hardly. I could have copied at least a dozen articles which focuses on this theme but as this article makes abundantly clear, Obama is not only just as militant as the more overt McCain [if not more so] but he also is just as beholden, to quote Dickens, to the vested interests, as is McCain. As this article points out, the largest Wall Street firms are backing Obama such as Goldman Sachs [his number one donor], J P Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, among others. Despite Obama's claim that "Washington's lobbyists haven't funded my campaign", as the Centre for Responsive Politics notes, "the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered lobbyists."
The Obama supporters, if they have any pretense of objectivity, may want to ask themselves why this [alleged] anti-war candidate has continuously funded the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Why has this [alleged] anti-war candidate advocated leaving as many as 50,000 American forces in Iraq as well as 100,000 civilian contractors which would include the infamous para military organization Blackwater? Why does the [alleged] anti-war candidate wish to redeploy troops from Iraq to Afghanistan where they can unleash more misery and suffering upon the Afghan people? Why has this [alleged] anti-war candidate come out in favor of Bush's policy of sending U.S. forces into Pakistan where Pakistani civilians have already died at the hands of the Americans? Why has the [alleged] anti-war candidate remained mute at the illegal American incursion of Syria which has resulted in the deaths of eight innocent Syrians?
The above statements are not lies but facts which certainly demonstrates that Obama does not wish to be seen as being "soft on defense" when being compared to the more overt McCain. It is quite doubtful that if Obama carries out his murderous intentions if he is elected president in those Middle East countries [if not also elsewhere] that the families of those who will be slaughtered by American bombs and bullets, on orders from Obama, will forgive Obama because his intentions were [allegedly[ noble and pure.
Here is the link regarding the comment that I posted at 8:22 that I neglected to post.
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/200...
I(and you) have no idea what type of President Obama will be. But these two campaigns have shown me that Obama is intelligent, thoughtful, open to other views, calm under pressure, friendly, etc.(everything that Grandpa isn't). If you are covertly presenting McFraud as your logical alternative, you have failed miserably.
See you tomorrow, with your latest "views from Rush and Sean".
But you're simply a GOP troll...
And I do believe that Erroll has his facts straight. (Although he forgot to mention that Obama also went along with McCain on the meme that Russia attacked Georgia when even Colin Powell has come forward to say that Georgia attacked South Ossetia and Russia responded to defend innocent civilians in that region).
Just because we call Obama out on his shit doesn't mean that we're not voting for him. I already voted for him absentee AND I'm having 20 supporters to my home this coming Saturday to do phone banking. I will still not hold back from telling the truth about his positions as I see them. Just to give one example, when he caved on FISA to give the telecoms who broke the law immunity it made me sick to my stomach. How could I possibly vote for this guy who appeared to have such a lack of support for our rights to privacy as afforded by the Constitution? I'll bet you agree with me here "liberalNmomderation", right?
And speaking of all this, I'd like to tell you all about a book that is being written. It's called, "Letters to President Obama" and the editors are seeking letters to Obama telling him what it is exactly you'd like to see him do as POTUS. Here's the link:
www.letterstopresidentobama.com
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
you both are exactly right, these words came straight from obamas mouth, and i to have voted for obama thier were no other choices, but thiers nothing been said by either you or errol that wasnt presented to us by obama, it remains to be seen if he carrys out these two wars and the other policys that bush forced on us, if he does then the democrats become the next war criminals!
Obama a warmonger, huh? Project much---or is that the new Limbaugh talking point to the ditto-droid lemmings? Take your redacted form of reality elsewhere. Your party and Neocon philosophy are DOA, pal.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Bmw 528
Did you actually bother to read the link that I posted at 8:24? Can you refute what I had written at 8:22? You claim that I am "project[ing]". Every sentence and every word that I had written is true. You also bizarrely and inaccurately claim that I am a "Neocon." I seriously doubt if a neocon would state, as I have, that McCain is an overt warmonger. Obama, your alleged dove, wishes to leave, as I mentioned before, close to 50,000 troops in Iraq as well as 100,000 civilian contractors there even after his phased [as opposed to immediate] withdrawal has been finally completed. Obama, that alleged dove, wishes to escalate the war in Afghanistan by redeploying as many as 15,000 troops to that country. Obama, that alleged dove, is in favor of Bush's policies of sending American forces into Pakistan even if the leader of Pakistan objects to American forces invading his country. Obama, that alleged dove, has had no hesitation in threatening Iran. Obama, that alleged dove, has refrained from criticizing Bush's illegal incursions in Syria because, in all likelihood, he would institute the same policy if he were to become president.
Those policies of Obama, to borrow from your title, hardly merit the description of a peacemaker. Obama is very good at deflecting criticism from the right but when it is directed from the left he fails miserably. Despite your denials, Obama is just as much of a hawk as McCain. As I also stated before, the families of those civilians which will suffer the repercussions from Obama's policies will hardly forgive Obama because Obama's intentions are [allegedly] noble and pure.
Just goes to show how dumb we are to give such people a public microphone. I personally do not care about Joe the Plumber. I do not care about Jane the Florist. I do not care about Pete the Policeman. I only care about the United States of America and Her interests, which these individuals clearly do not care about.
Just don't diss "willie the weed dealer", if you please.
joe is still at it, campaigning for local repub politicians in ohio. still making nonsensical statments like an uninformed idiot.
I think Joe the plumber has chewed his fingernails more than he should.
Why is it that the Federal Trade Commission will bring suits against advertisers for misleading and false ads, but where is the regulation of political ads? Is there no "truth in advertising" for non-commercial advertising?
Or why is it that you can be a convicted felon and run for the office of US senator but in most states you cannot vote if you are a convicted felon? Senator Stevens for example.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Sometimes...this country is just insane.
a follow-up to his own stupid hypothetical question as to what would happen if people do believe that a "President" Obama hated Israel.
What's he talking about exactly here? What's he implying? That Mossad will send a team to assassinate the President of the United States if he/she is not a friend of Israel? Nice relationship there...
That Israel would have to "send" Mossad agents to the U.S.?? I think it's quite safe to say there are plenty here right now!
Do a Google search of an article written by Scott Ritter at Commondreams where he ended the article by saying, "Why doesn't the U.S. just raise the Israeli flag here and call it a day?"
Do you realize how many Neocons are currently holding "Dual Israeli-U.S. Citizenship"? Google that too.
Israel has a very strong foothold in the highest levels of our government including the Congress. Why do you suppose the first major meeting McCain had with Palin was with his AIPAC handlers? You can watch the sickening speeches McCain, Lieberman, Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden and many others have given at all the various AIPAC pow-wows in D.C.
Do some serious research. Go to The Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs and read the history of how Israel became Israel, then let's chat.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
for the Cons, then looking into every dark corner of his shitty life with a bright flashlight and a microscope is fair game.
Say Joe, can you point to Israel on this world map for us please?
That would be classic!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
What a great idea!! This asshat has had his 15 minutes.
It does show that there are so many idiots in this country. Just look at who is at the Palin rallies. Have you ever seen such a group of retards (nothing against retards, mind you) in one place? Those women deserve to be in the kitchen in their house dress for the rest of their lives. That is what they are voting for.
Joe, talk to sarah, I'm sure she can see it from somewhere.
Once she gets her head out of her ass.
Sheppard Smith: Is this simply a knee-jerk opinion, or an informed position?
Joe: I've done research and found lots of facts.
Sheppard: What research?
Joe: I heard Rush Limbaugh say it.
why is being Israel's friend no matter what they do so freaking important? What if they start a war in the ME that fucks up OUR plans there? What if they start cozying up to our rivals? What if they start stealing our national security secrets?
Oh wait, that's right. They've done all of that and we still back them no matter what. What the fuck gives? Why can't an American become presidnet of our country without promising to go over the cliff for Israel? Is it our country or theirs?
Yet, when one calls Israel out for their...indiscretions...one is called anti-semitic.
....but it would cost him the Presidency. Some people simply want to be told what they want to hear. I hate the pandering, it's just a dirty thing that all politicians have to do unfortunately.
Hopefully one day...it will be unnecessary.
THEIRS.
(Reply to the question, "Is this our country or theirs (Israel's)?")
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This right wing race bigot plant never was pretty.
Intelligent, thinking people on the one hand, and degenerate numbnuts on the other. At least "Joe" tacitly admits he's an ignoramus.
And what's with Shepard Smith calling him "Joe" when his name's Sam? Is he now like "Cedric the Entertainer?" I mean, really, has it gotten this bad?
I was shocked in 1980 at Reagan's vapidity, and it became a running joke amongst those not smitten with his...whatever it was that attracted people to him. If I'd only known he'd become a paragon for millions.
My dad loves this guy's show. He can't stand the rest of the fox news people and usually watches CNN. But he has defended SS, saying he is fair minded, etc. So maybe there is a little, tiny bit of truth to that. I do try to point out to my homophobic dad that SS raises MY gaydar. Not that there is anything wrong at all---just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the anti-gay right wing spin machine. He also believes Charlie Crist is straight so whatever. But good for SS for calling out this delusion skin head.
Some things are good to know, without actually seeing.
Ye gods! This actually happened on Fox--a right wing boy toy getting is arse handed to him by a Fox commentator? Yeah, Joe, you're right--extreme right if I may borrow a phrase from the 1964 Dem campaign against Goldwater. You're also right in tha tyou know just enough to be dangerous--not knowledgable, just dangerous.
only wants people to do what he is absolutely unwilling to do. Inform himself? Learn something? Stick to the facts? These are not the principles that have made the Republican party large.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Using this ignorant Archie Bunker wannabee as a political prop proves the ineptitude and moral bankruptcy of the Mc Lame candidacy. I will be glad when the election is over and I don't have to hear this inane drivel from their mentally challenged syncophants any more.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
They pimp the criminally stupid to appeal to the criminally stupid.
Joe the foreign policy expert...I thought that was Dumbya.
The truth of your words Chap 7. But until the Fairness Doctrine is 'reinstalled' and you start 'owning' your airwaves again, I don't think this will end. Instead of 90% Right Wing news you will go to 99$. They will crush all the remaining small truth voices and bring everything to bear on Obama and we will hear no end of fake scandals. They will spend hundreds of millions if not billions investigating and digging up dirt, or perhaps even make up dirt.
They will package this filth and sell it to the American people.
I speak from experience, I speak out regarding the 9/11 cover up.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
Shep is actually one of the better journalists in the MSM. Unfortunately, I think he still falls into the overall sludge of sensational pandering that is so prevalent today. Nevertheless, he outperformed everyone else during Katrina and I give him more credibility than the likes who rely solely on commentary/opinion such as O'Reilly and Olbermann.
that Sheppard Smith might be heading for the unemployment line soon?
"In a time of universal deceit,
telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
I had a thought last night watching McCain talk about Joe the Plumber and doing his little hand air quotation marks when he says phrases like "spread the wealth." It's Chris Farley's old character, Matt the Motivational Speaker! I did a Google this morning, and, sure enough, others have had the same thought. Chris always cracked me up with stuff like "I don't 'bathe' on a regular basis. I have a bit of a 'weight problem.'" But it's one thing for a comic to do it - another for a 72-year old guy running for POTUS. And when McCain does the air quotes it's creepy - his hands look like claws.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
for the Republicans. He loudly proclaims his opinions, oblivious to the fact that without having made even the slightest effort to inform himself, he is an idiot for doing so.
I am glad McCain thrust this ignoramus into the spotlight, so people can see firsthand the caliber of the people that criticize Obama.
Joe the Plumber seems to have a lot of time on his hands. I'm thinking his chance encounter with Obama was a set-up. He obviously has his biases.
The guy is related to Charles Keating. Of course it was a set up. Anyway, anyone see the Palin look alike behind McInsane at his rally? Hilarious......won't someone interview her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHh0oAiWdp8
The republican party is becoming more and more insane with every passing day. I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on the possibility of a viable third party forming out of the ashes of the republican party... If so then that's a bet I'd place because the republican party is moving too far to the right for a majority of the party. I think the Palin/JT Plumbers in the party will destroy it from within sooner than later. I mean, McCain is using this idiot as the GOP/McCain campaign poster child and it's just plain stupid. This shows how insane the GOP actually is right now. I mean seriously c'mon!!!
I foresee a Conservative party forming and shedding the Republican party kooks and nuts and religious zealots.
Look who the republicans fielded as viable choices to be president:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_...
The fact that a religious zealot and Ron Paul( a guy who doesn't understand how the economy actually work --- much like the entire republican party IMO) did so well says something about the Republican party. I STILL see Ron Paul signs in my area. I mean WTF people.
I think Kucinich and Gravel were the dem kooks this year and neither of them are as nutty as Ron Paul. Kucinich ran to get some issues brought to the for knowing damn well he didn't have a snow ball's chance in hell of winning. In a sane election cycle Gravel would have been a more viable candidate than Giuliani --- a guys whose closet interior looks like a frigg'n Halloween display replete with 38957389470982387590238479234758937589034 skeletons --- yet Giuliani was the apple of the republican party eye for a few weeks.
Yes, Palin/Joe ticket sounds about right because all the real challangers are supporting Obama this year and will probably not be foolish enough to run against Obama in 2012. And, like I said above, the republicans are dangerously fractured right now as a party.
My thoughts, not yours.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/palin....
Just came across this... It echos my above comments.
Enjoy
Since he can't get a break in the plumbing business, sounds like Joe is jockying for a position in a McCain cabinet. National Security Advisor or maybe Sec of State. He couldn't be any worse than Condi Rice.
This is what President Obama should say at a campaign stop. He should ask if Joe the Plumber's Helper is going to be the next Secretary of State.
Oh, and let's not forget Elizabeth Hasselbeck...Hassalbock...Huckleberry....whatever...
You think she might make a good Attorney General in a McCain administration?
Didn't McLame say that he was appalled at how the Obama campaign ruined Joe the Asshole's life. McShithead has really shown his true identity, hasn't he?
Megyn,
Watch this interview and learn how respectable people act--which is possible even for people like you at Fox. You need to update your Neocon robo chip immediately so you don't act like an angry asshole with a attitude problem again. Obviously, your circuitry is fried because of all those Rovian viruses. Good night and good luck, robo-dupe.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
"ain't pretty no more"
Joe the non-licenced, non-tax paying, moron, habitually lied to Obama about his opening a business and now is spewing bullshit and talking points for the blind sheep on Faux Noise. Typical of the sick
nut-cases in the Reslug party.
This is how low the US has gone in 8 years. We no longer look for the smartest or brightest for Politicial Office. Now we understand why the US is in this mess. We have Law Makers who know nothing, some don't even know Hawaii is a State. We cheer for a VP candidate who admits her only Foreign Policy experience is she looks out her window and sees Russia, then wants to bomb Russia because of the Georgian/Russia conflict. Now the UN will hear charges of Georgia invading and attack South Ossetian. We allow Bush who is as dumb as a door knob stay in office twice. McCain is seriously ill and Palin knows it, so America will have Palin as President and we can then call the US, SNL Comedy.
Tina Fey has made it clear that after Tuesday she's through playing Palin.
So, if McCain/Palin win SNL will have to find somebody REALLY good to do Palin. Hey! She's such a media whore, she'd probably play herself! After all, she still probably doesn't know exactly what it is a V.P. does, right?? She ROCKED on SNL last week....right?? Right??!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
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