Would Caroline Kennedy beat Rudy Guiliani for the Senate seat in NY?
By John Amato Tuesday Dec 09, 2008 5:30pm
Guess what? Out of nowhere Rudy Giuliani starts sucking up to Obama in a recent interview.
“Even those who voted against him, like me, say ‘We’re very thankful this has happened. This is the consolation prize’,” he said. “If you look at America - which I believe is a great nation… one of the terrible marks against us is slavery and racism, and I think that’s a great thing for America to have overcome.” He said of Obama’s victory:
I believe that will gain us a tremendous amount in the world community. We can now be an honest nation and not a hypocritical one.
That was not out of the kindness of his heart. I believe Rudy has his eyes on something much bigger than throwing around a few meaningless compliments after he trashed Obama during the general election. Caroline Kennedy is being mentioned as a possible choice to fill Hillary's seat in the Senate. She was a big supporter of Obama and came out with an op-ed called: A President Like My Father.
She has the Kennedy name, but can she defeat Rudy in 2010?
Mr. Kennedy’s message, according to Democratic aides who were not authorized to discuss the conversations, is that Ms. Kennedy — backed by the Kennedy family’s extensive fund-raising network — would have the wherewithal to run back-to-back costly statewide races without having to seek help from Mr. Paterson or Mr. Schumer. The ability to raise significant money is a key concern for Mr. Paterson, who has been deluged from every direction by politicians interested in the seat, which the governor is expected to fill early next year. Whoever is chosen will have to run in 2010 and again two years later.
Jane isn't so pleased about it: And Jane makes some good points too as does David Niewert. I'm not sure if there is anyone at this point that can take it away from Rudy if he runs unless maybe Mayor Bloomberg switches back to the Democratic party, forgoes a third term race and runs against him. However he just came out and praised her.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg gave a boost to Caroline Kennedy as a possible Senate candidate, saying she is experienced and "can do anything." "Caroline Kennedy is a very experienced woman, she's worked very hard for the city. I can just tell you she's made an enormous difference in New York City," Bloomberg said after meeting on Capitol Hill with other mayors to seek stimulus spending from Congress.
What are your thoughts?
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rudy fantasizes about such things...
He's been a very naughty boy...
Fantasies are all he's gonna get...
I Remember when 9ui11iani mocked Obama in the GOP convention, and now he has the audacity to suggest that he should be considered?
Dream on Rudy...The Senate is not Notre Dame
Which of the two would look more attractive in nylons and a sequin wrap??
And a Carol Channing wig?
she can if this blog quits catering to the right. First it was congrats to David Gregory for his new meet the press position and now it's lets give rudy a big hand for his sincerity in reaching across the aisle. and let's sell caroline down the tubes. What's next,proclaim lieberman and rush national heroes for their right wing stances.
The Rudester will be the next Governor of NY, Patterson wouldn't stand a chance.
Rudy Giuliani will try for governor of illinois now.
You wish!
Rudy is toast!
There is no way in hell ANY repug is going to win a statewide election in New York in the forceable future. Especially a Bush sucking, right wingnut pandering Rudy. Never gonna happen. No way, no how!!!
Wide spread in the loo?
I wrote that Gregory was inadequate for MTP and exposed Rudi as a liar as he praised Obama...
From SilentPatriot: "I'm confident Gregory will do a fine job holding the proverbial feet to the fire."
http://crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/its-o...
Would crush rudeboi.
He is one of the most hipocritical scumbags this nation has to offer. Leaving that aside, New Yorkers have fall out of love when his dirt and poor management pre and post 9/11. It was our job to let the rest of the nation know that and I believe we did a pretty good job.
A monkey should be able to win against him, but yet I'm not warmed up to Caroline taking over the state's senate seat. She got nothing but star power and funding raising capabilities, but is that what we need? Our country is in trouble and we need more experienced people with their hearts and minds in the right place. What convinced me to support Obama was not a great campaign or empty rethoric, it was his character and knowing how to do things right.
I don't see Giulia coming out on top with Caroline Kennedy as an opponent.
I would love to see Caroline Kennedy in the Senate. I think the fact that she has not been political publically is a point in her favor. I simply don't doubt the potential good that can come of another Kennedy in the Senate. And we will lose Teddy soon you know - there's no way around it.
And to those who whine about "dynastic" political families -- there is NO COMPARISON to be made between the Kennedy Family and the Bush Family. The Kennedy family have always championed Liberal causes.
NONE.
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you mean (1) threatening the USSR by deploying missiles in Turkey which, in turn, forced the Soviets to coerce Castro into allowing the installation of missiles in Cuba and setting off the October missile crisis; (2) enlisting the Mafia to help assassinate the leader, Castro, of a sovereign state; (3) to pre-emptively invade a sovereign state (Bay of Pigs) that was not threat to the US and (4) to ramp up the invasion of an agrarian, third-world sovereign state (Vietnam) that was in the throes of a civil war and no threat to the US, then I guess your right -- the Kennedys were champions.
Pick and choose. You can do that with any politician. Don't pretend you don't know what I was trying to say.
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Kennedy was sworn in on Jan 20/61. The CIA had Cuban exiles trained and ready to go by April/61. Questionable if this was Kennedy's plan. The timing is to tight. Don't forget Eisenhower was the previous Prez. And we all know who his VP was.
Now, Operation Mongoose does fit in the timeline.
Mafia, please provide some proof,otherwise this is speculation at best.
Viet Nam. Kennedy did up the military advisers then to 16,000.
When he was assassinated there were 108 military(US) deaths.
He had stated that he wanted to withdraw from Viet Nam. Stating that this was a civil war and the situation was unwinnable.
As for the missiles in Turkey, I think this was a US policy before he took office. He just followed up on it.
But then again, I could be wrong on that one.
But we shouldn't forget the recent history at the time. Less that 15 years before the USSR had taken a great part of eastern europe. Pretty much all of it. And in doing so, were installing missiles of their own all over eastern europe. All the way in to East Germany (at the time)
They were a threat to free europe.
Tell me something, would you tolerate the USSR having nuclear tipped missiles within striking distance of your country? If ,say, you were Britain or Belgium or France or any of the other countries in that part of the world. We should remember the context of these times.
Do you remember the Berlin Airlift? The USSR were attempting to starve them out.
Had Kennedy lived out his terms, I dare say you might have a different opinion of him.
Operation Mongoose
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose
Cuban missile crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis
These are two completely different events.
One in April of of 61.The other in Nov of 61.
Op Mongoose was in Nov of 61, I'll give you that one.
But the Bay of Pigs was in April of 61.
With Kennedy being sworn in on Jan 20 of that year, I find it highly unlikely that this was his plan /idea.
The timing is too tight. This sounds more like something Nixon would do. And he was the previous VP.
You keep on trying though. It's obvious you don't hold the Kennedy's in high regard.
I believe the Kennedy's have always been for the average guy. Except for their dad.
Say what you will I still like and respect the Kennedy's
Of course this varies from Kennedy to Kennedy. Tell me? What do you think of this Kennedy?
...so thank you very much for pointing this out. There hasn't been enough Caroline Kennedy-bashing this week, and god knows, she deserves more of it for all her crimes.
JFK had more going for him in his little finger nail than you in your compost filled body. What an arseole you are wanker. Kennedy believed America was in danger believing the advice given to him. On Vietnam you and I will never know how that would have eventuated had JFK lived. Regretfully others, filled with as much hatred as yourself and your verbose treason, saw to it a patsy called Oswald took the rap for the murder of a patriot. You disgust me.
Rudy Giuliani needs to go drop himself
off thru the seat of a shithouse.
no flush...we don't want to waste the water either.
fudyrudy has too man screws loose to be anyone's
representative in any capacity.
This time last year Rudy was the unstoppable juggernaut rolling to clinch the GOP nomination as America's Mayor. How'd that turn out?
Perhaps Rudy will show us more of his campaign smarts by waiting until the last minute again.
Impressive.
In the interest of avoiding blogwhoring, I'll just copy and paste.
While I agree with both the truly lovely and brilliant Jane and the truly brilliant but more beastly Atrios on the general principles of their arguments against Caroline Kennedy being selected by Gov. Patterson of NY for Hillary’s vacated seat, I have to quibble a bit on the overall dynamic.
Caroline is my age, almost exactly, and has been “in my life” since I’ve been sentient. After the beginning of my awareness of her, crickets. But I’ve no doubts about her intelligence, her compassion, her life experience, her knowledge of all things political and policy oriented, to such an extent I sort of lean her way when it comes to the next Jr. Senator from NY.
When I look at it, I see her as an outsider, believe it or not. She’s a regular person, and she’s lived her life as a regular person, despite the circumstances she inherited. But she’s not Joe The Plumber. She’s born of public service, has no serious enemies at least so far, is universally regarded as incredibly hard working, intelligent, compassionate, and, well, normal, particularly when it comes to her desire to be a public figure.
She never took advantage of her obvious political strengths, she never claimed to be anything special. She never grabbed the fame and (extra) fortune that could have been hers. Not only that, there is something to be said in our modern culture, like it or not, for instant or pre-determined fame and respect and celebrity. I don’t necessarily like it, but I don’t necessarily condemn it on its face, either. It’s just the world we’ve evolved in, and to ignore it is to me wildly unrealistic and silly.
To me, she’s an extremely qualified Average Josette. To the admittedly very small degree she had any chance of being normal in any way. Personally, I’d like more regular people to be part of both the political and media complexes.
I know she’s not “average,” when it comes to what most of us would call average. But she is untainted by partisan politics, universally loved, at least personally, is not financially beholden to anyone, and most of us know she has her heart in the right place.
If she wants the seat, and is serious about it, she’ll have to do what Jane demands, and Dr. Black supports. Not only in 2010, but in 2012. To me, that would be the measure of the woman. She has to know it. And I’m very confident she’d vote and advocate for me, as odd as that may seem.
So I say bring her on, or at least consider her if she’s committed to the grime that will be getting re-elected. We could do worse, you know, like we always have.
It isn’t like we’re considering Billy Carter or George W. Bush here.
Wait a minute…
Update: I guess I’m one of those strange people who think that the primary considerations for being qualified to be a United States representative are to be able to read, think, influence and vote. Caroline would do all four better than most, as best I can tell. I know it is weird to say in this context, but I would consider her a non-elitist Senator. I think she is more like me and most of the people I know than we could hope for.
your piece here. Using the comments for an entire piece is taboo here, but you may not have known...
Thank you for this.
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Rudy was approached by the Israeli secret service in the spring of 2001 after the White House turned them away. They had intelligence that pointed to terrorist attacks centered on airports, and offered to set up a system to monitor passengers (like the in use in Israel at that time and put in place here after 9/11) at New York's airports.
Rudy also rejected the Israelis, not because of the modest cost of the project but because "New York City has the best and largest police force".
Some months after 9/11, Rudy called the Israeli who had wanted to set up the airport security operation and begged him to keep this secret, laying the ground work for his presidential run.
Rudy also has a closet full of skeletons including long-term relationships with powerful figures in the Chinese Mafia. But his ego is so enormous that he thinks that he is untouchable, the Hero of 9/11. Better ask the NYFD about that ...
Giulia doesn't have a prayer. I can't believe there is a serious discussion about him in this capacity against ANY other candidate.
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$50+ Million and 1 delegate? In a New York minute....
compared to the Bushes, Cheneys, Scalias, Powells, Tafts, Blunts, on and on and on.
Rudy couldn't win a State while running for President. It wouldn't matter if Rudy wore a dress or pants he's still a loser. Now when the facts come out about how much Rudy stole during 9/11 he couldn't get a job at McDonalds. Caroline is qualified and the GOP know it. Now what their afraid of is the name Kennedy. Action will show just how good Caroline is as we already know Rudy got in bed with the Mob.
Earlier I thought it was not such a good idea for Caroline to do this but now that Rudy is in the picture I say GO FOR IT!!! Put Rudy in his place just like he was put in his place when he ran for POTUS.
..Rudy's done!! And, good riddance. Who needs another political whore wannabee in the mix. He had his 15 minutes and he blew it --
figuratively and literally.
I just heard on MSNBC that Congressman King is going to run in 2010 for the senate. Rudy isn't going to run. King said he will support him. I bet he'll run for Governor and he will lose. He is too shady.
I'm in the "Rudy has a future at all?" crowd on this one. 'Course I'm way over on t'other side of the country and have little feel for who New Yawkahs want for their Senator but, geez, Rudy really has a chance there? I think Rudy might have the best publicists but does he even have appeal to the conservative Reps, let alone cross-over capabilities to bring in Indies and Dems?
I thought that dude was history.
He is! Just a little liberal paranoia going on here. That's all, nothing more.
Most of the commenter's here aren't from New York, trust me Rudy (the undertaker-3000 dead on his watch) couldn't get elected dog catcher here.
Rudy selects Sarah Palin as his running mate. I mean, seriously, that girl took the NY and the UN by storm. She was made to run in that state. Plus with all the oil revenues they receive and their proximity to Canada...
... When her father was assassinated, so she can hardly be responsible for or even linked to any of the developments you mentioned (and I have not yet checked them to see if your allegations are true). That said, I think she will crush Rudy, who has a record that can be examined, and it is not a good one. Let us count a few of the ways: Rudy put NYC's emergency center in the WTC, where when it was attacked on 9-11, it was useless; did not upgrade the city's communications system so various emergency responders could communicate with each other, resulting in a fragmented response and possibly unnecessary deaths; did not require cleanup workers to wear respiratory gear, so some of them are even now dying of cancer. And that's just in relation to 9-11. There's a whole other set of strong-arm actions the police department took prior to 9-11 which NYC residents criticized him for.
Rudy Giuliani is a serious candidate? A significant number of New Yorkers have that little sense?
I am depressed.
Every New Yorker I've come to know, (and there are quite a few in the keys) hates that man.
They hated him before 9-11, and afterward, their hatred became more intense...the man's a piece of shit.
Jane is wrong. I recall language such as hers being used against Obama. I'll substitute some words in parentheses and let's see:
"The new Senate (White House) is going to face incredible challenges in the upcoming session (2009), and we're lucky this year that it will be infused with some much-needed new blood. It's not a place for anyone to be wearing political training wheels. If Caroline Kennedy (Obama) aspires to that lofty perch, let her (him) run for something first (stay in the Senate to gain more experience)."
Do you see what I'm saying? With minor tweaking, those statements could just as easily be Republican talking points from the last few months.
I happen to think Caroline Kennedy is just the person we need. She's an instant insider who also happens to be an outsider. She has the ability to raise money for herself and others (possibly getting us to 60). And not for nothing, didn't we just win a national election based on disgust with the usual experience and the usual suspects?
I happen to admire Caroline Kennedy for the way she's lived out of the spotlight. And I don't think she's jumping on the bandwagon. Let's remember, when she endorsed Obama, it was still anyone's race and about 10 days before Super Tuesday. It wasn't like she jumped on after North Carolina.
As for Rudy, well, if you want to judge that political forecast, just look to how he weathered Florida. He's cooked. I'm not so sure why competent analysts like some in the liberal blogosphere still build him into this mythic boogeyman. If Rudy chooses to run, they'll hang Bush, Palin, McCain and everyone else around his neck. He'll sink faster than Blagojevich '16. Not to mention the firefighters who'll tear him apart. And trust me, they're still ready to go. The only reason they didn't get more attention during the primaries is because Rudy withered so fast. They had money and some pretty tough ads.
ANYONE would beat rudy...he's a JOKE in ny!
Whoever wrote this article is not very familiar with New York politics. It's unlikely that Rudy is looking for a Senate seat. If he runs in 2010 it would probably be for Governor. As a New Yorker it's hard to invision Rudy as anything but the top banana, not 1 of 100. Like a lot of states New York is in deep financial trouble. By 2010 Paterson is going to be more vulnerable. Caroline Kennedy on the ticket strenghtens Paterson and maybe enhances his fundraising capacity. Paterson is a very smart man with a great intellect, but not an exciting politician. While Caroline Kennedy is not a barn burner, she is a New York Kennedy and very popular in the state.
She would kick the shit out of the cheating, womanizing Rudy. He's road kill now.
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