The Hatch Truth: GOP Blocking Health Care to Prevent Permanent Democratic Majority
By Jon Perr Tuesday Nov 03, 2009 8:00am
A gaffe, Michael Kinsley famously mused, is what results when a politician inadvertently tells the truth. And so it was Monday when Utah Republican Senator Orrin Hatch came clean about his party's scorched-earth opposition to health care reform being championed by President Obama and Congressional Democrats. Hatch acknowledged, as I've long argued, that the GOP is worried not that Obama's health care initiatives might fail, but that they might succeed.
As he did in his pivotal effort to block Bill Clinton's health care efforts starting in 1993, conservative strategist Bill Kristol warned his Republican allies then as now that that a victory for President Obama would earn his party the thanks of a grateful public and guarantee Democratic majorities for the foreseeable future. In an interview with CNS Monday, Senator Hatch revealed that was his darkest fear as well:
HATCH: That's their goal. Move people into government that way. Do it in increments. They've actually said it. They've said it out loud.
Q: This is a step-by-step approach --
HATCH: A step-by-step approach to socialized medicine. And if they get there, of course, you're going to have a very rough time having a two-party system in this country, because almost everybody's going to say, "All we ever were, all we ever are, all we ever hope to be depends on the Democratic Party."
Q: They'll have reduced the American people to dependency on the federal government.
HATCH: Yeah, you got that right. That's their goal. That's what keeps Democrats in power.
Of course, President Obama and the Democratic Party have no interest in fostering dependency among Americans, but instead seek to remedy the crippling health care crisis which threatens their financial security and the nation's future. As with their staunch opposition to Social Security and Medicare, programs which dramatically reduced poverty among the elderly, Republicans now want to stop at all costs the third pillar of the Democratic social contract.
For that, grateful American voters would doubtless reward Democrats at the polls. On that point, Orrin Hatch is absolutely right. And, for once, telling the truth.
(This piece also appears at Perrspectives.)
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That is the glue that kept the Mormon multiple marriage patriarchy together in those rough years before seagull salvation (or whatever it was). Not hard to see why Hatch would accuse Dem's of attempting the same thing.
"The French government is afraid of their people", here in America, "The People of the United States are afraid of their government".
Or do we even give a sh*t anymore?
your prognostications.
are the American people afraid of feeling good or something? Totally resigned to a Globalist Order making life as miserable as possible for everyone?
Tue, 11/03/2009 - 08:08 — Evet
"The French government is afraid of their people", here in America, "The People of the United States are afraid of their government.
Or do we even give a sh*t anymore?
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And in Russia TV watches you.
Wasn't that a Yakhov Shmirnov bit? What a country!
As an "outsider", that's exactly what it looks like to me, Evet. Americans should be in control of their own government. From the looks of things, all you do is pay for it, while the rich decide everything, fearlessly, because they know Congress is on THEIR side, not yours.
An angel came to Obama out in the field and gave him a list of things to do with health care that could make the American people love democrats forever. Obama lost the list, but trust us, it happened.
I was cleaning the Kool Aid out of my pom poms.
they flow beautifully now.
Carry on...
I wonder if some world leader started saying "I talked to GAWD last night and he said _____" - if the fundies would embrace that leader without question?
Oh wait a minute - that is what most world leaders already do or imply.
Ask the Ayatollah Khomeini.
Or is this a racial thing?
caused by UFOs...
spell checkers.
The truth is out there.
Area 51 is in Nevada, but very close to Utah and this dipweed of a senator.
to come down in the woods with those big wings.
the reality based community. Answers my nagging questions
about the lack of celestial fossil feathers in caves as well.
Except for the fossils that were put in the wrong geological layers to confuse us. At least that's what I learned at Reagents University.
I don't recall President Obama on the field during an Anaheim Angels game this year.
Which player gave him the list? :)
It wouldn't be freedom since they worship authority. Their goal must be to reduce the american people to dependency on the rich and powerful, the GOP masters.
Of course, President Obama and the Democratic Party have no interest in fostering dependency among Americans, but instead seek to remedy the crippling health care crisis which threatens their financial security and the nation's future.
So, are we saying that the government health care plan is only designed to A) provide enough competition to cause private health insurance to come down in price and B) to only be a short-term fix for people until they can afford a private health care plan on their own, kind of like unemployment payments?
Or do we really want people to get on another government support system for the rest of their lives?
Sounds like a case of encouraging dependency on the government to me, if that's the case.
and by royal, I mean monumentally inbred.
If so, nicely played.
Here in these United States, the government is created by the people and is composed of the people. So, if we are dependent on the government, we are actually dependent on our selves. Or don't "we" see it that way?
I thought those Paulettes/Teabaggers/Beckbaggers were all about self-reliance.
In other words, government is the instrument of the people.
In other words, government is the instrument of the people.
And the favorite instrument of "the people" appears to be its power to collect taxes at the point of a gun.
None of the other first-world democracies, with their universal health-care, have devolved into single-party states. In fact, most of them have quite a lot more parties in parliament than we do.
He's damn right that a single-payer system is a one-way street though. Nobody's gone back. Heck, not even ex-Communist countries of Eastern Europe kept their public health-care, schools, etc. (I suppose Rush Limbaugh would question what they know about the evils of communism?)
There's a very simple reason: It's a good idea, and it works.
Of course, let's be realistic here: Obama's reform would barely bring us up to par with the Swiss system. Which means we're as progressive as the country that guaranteed women the right to vote in 1992.
Japan has been ruled by one party since the end of the WWII.
passed on a few years back. Is he still keeping things on track in Tokyo?
n/t
Switzerland took the profit out of their universal but private health care payment system in 1994.
The DINOs plan sanctifies the barbarism and inherent conflict of interest in for-profit health insurance.
Pelosi's monstrosity is one step sideways, two steps back. Maximum.
Swiss health care account. It keeps Phil and Mrs. Gramm in biscuits too.
We have always depended on the government - it is why the government exists?
I'd say we are so dependent on the government that we all pay the government out of every paycheck (or by check if you are a business)
GOP nonesense piffle and meaningless jibber-jabber.
Check this out:
http://www.omggopwtf.com
They have ruined their chances for any respect with independents. Independents typically expect truth and action. The democrats have ruined their chances for respect with independents. Independents typically expect truth and action.
New party, new name, real people instead of the awful choice of which kind of meal you will have. Oh it's a happy meal, but it comes from the end of an elephant or a donkey. Oh, it's packaged nice. It has ranch dressing and your choice of sauces. It's still shit, because they have taught you want to expect. They have told you to like it, they have reminded you the FDA says it's healthy and a vegetable.
secret sauce!
Also because of the constant threat of something worse.
Lunch Lady: "You think this shit is bad?"
Notice how Hatch is worried about the Rethugs being relevent in the opcoming elections, NOT about the sorry state of health care. A true Rethug worries about power and not anything elese.
Okay, while the interpretation is accurate, Hatch appears to be arguing that the Public Option will eventually leave everyone "with no other choice", thus forcing people to join because they have no other option (don't bother trying to figure it out).
Now, of course, if the PO is so bad, why would it drive the competition out of business? These "free-marketeers" actually argue that "no one will buy a Cadillac when they can buy a Yugo." Riiight.
Great point!
If it is so bad it will fail against the better coverage and rates offered in the private sector.
than a Caddy any day:
http://www.speedace.info/automotive_directory...
Great example of how even a Yugo can have a lot of power if you tweak it. :)
http://www.jtruck.net/misc/4x4cars/full/4x4yu...
The Smart car:
http://www.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/...
... that the government will be the one providing the Cadillac plan at a price lower than that of the Yugo. In which case the Yugo plan will definitely be out of business.
...that the Post Office has kept UPS and other private shippers from staying in business. Also, the public police clearly make it impossible for for private security firms to exist.
My neighbor's daughter's Lemonade stand put our local Starbucks out of business. /snark
Even government run health plans won't keep this old bastard from eventually taking a dirt nap.
His afterlife plans have no naps. He plans to party down with all of your ancestral relatives he personally helped baptize posthumously.
http://satiricalpolitical.com/2009/10/17/the-...
Sheesh we wouldn't have a government then. We might actually start getting things accomplished in a cost effective and expedient manner that benefits people instead of Lawyers and Lawmakers.
Non-lawyers don't take money from corporate interests?
of being able to say . . "You need a Lawyer to do that" . . then charge exorbitant fees to confiscate your cash.
To the State Capital and pointing out what Non Thinkers, Lock step Nazis, Fascist, Socialist ANTI AMERICANS losers look like.
Yes I point ou the repukulans and giggle and laugh and even threaten the children if they don't listen they will growup and be as anal retentive as the repukulans I point out.
Never contributing anything except Lies, HATRED and Misinformation.
I do wish people would work to reclaim the concept and the word Socialism from the clutches of the Ruling Class Propagandists.
We need socialism now more than ever before.
it is what delivered us to where we are today...
without it we would have been eaten.
"we would have been eaten."
That could be a good thing for some people depending on the meaning of eaten.
:)
queer and gay back. If I make any progress I'll lend a hand with socialism.
in a nutshell, the definition is delivered.
"in a nutshell"
I think that's called a cod piece?
It's called a codpiece - one word. A cod piece is the makings of a seafood dinner.
The two party system is in jeopardy with or without the health care legislation. It is in jeopardy because the GOP has been hijacked by the radical christian evangelicals and they are purging moderate conservatives.
When was the last time we had a legitimate two party system?
The Republicans were captured (period) by Big Business after Howard Taft, the trust buster.
The Democrats were captured by Big Business (period) after Walter Mondale.
Two factions of the Party of Big Business.
The Party Of Property, with two right wings: on right wing and one very right wing.
I think it no co-incidence that the Republicans have fallen into decline at the same time that the Democrats have taken positions far to the right of where the Repugs used to be. Nixon would be too liberal to be a Blue Dog nowadays.
In order for Dems to compete with the GOP, they needed some of that corporate cash.
The Dems might not be as progressive as I would like, but they are not the same party as the GOP.
We need to federally fund elections and take the corporate cash out of the equation.
Let me count the ways the DINOs grovel at the feat of the Corporations.
The Military Industrial Complex given full blessings - √
The Medical Industrial Complex given full blessings - √
Big Agribusiness given full blessings - √
The Banksters given full blessings - √, double √√ and triple √√√
The corruption of the Republicans is not in question, it is guaranteed.
The corruption of the Democrats is only slightly obscured, they do talk a better talk towards the working class, although they never call us that, they call us middle class. It is a hoax.
Republican Gomorrah comes to mind. Read it if you haven't. Great history of how we got here. (radical christian evangelicals)
Since when has any citizen not had a dependency on the federal government?
All operate, function, live in an involuntarily cooperative social matrix. You cannot extract yourself from it any more than you can extract yourself from language, or music. The forms antedate and will out-live you. Wh you are is the result of the relative success of your and your fellows' negotiations with the ssystems which support you.,..
What I can't figure out is why the so-called "Christian Party" hates the poors so.
Don't they understand that fighting poverty benefits not only everyone in the country, but the country itself.
We tried Reaganomics, and it flat-assed failed. But if working people had more disposable income, they would spend more and stimulate the economy. They would also be less of a drain on our social services. My feeling is that if we can not aford to take care of our kids and elderly, how in the hell can we afford to be the Wold's Police Force.
It is a matter of priorities and ours have sucked for 30 years.
D.C. is nothing but a mound of hungry ants looking for the next meal.
As a whole though they are more organized then the masses.
Only a fraction of government exists on the hill. (thank goodness)
Most government is local.
Don't get me started on that.
They just want corporations to control everything - we could just send our tax $$$ directly to GE or the Caryle Group.
Ah shucks I think I blew it again. It is exactly what they want.
there will be no more public square....
http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Henhouse-Privatizat...
of all kinds. The destruction of all commons will result in the final alienation of the individual from their society, and render them all the more vulnerable to the "attractions" of CorpoRatism...
CONgress will fix everything.
I am more than half serious when I say:
The GOP should fade away and the Democratic party should split corporate interests from labor interests.
If not we will continue to see the people displaced by the power of corporations.
The D's were suppose to be for the people and labor and only took corporate money to compete with the GOP. If the GOP continues to fade away there's no longer and reason for the D's to be bought out by the corps. (except the money is easy)
and even though only just over 20% of folks self-identify as Pukes, the results of a national plebiscite would still fall within 5 points of the mean, in either direction.
Whatr I mean is, even of people don't want publically to be thought Pukes, when the curtain closes in the voting booth, their true political identities would stand exposed...
How appropriate that the Hatch name is connected with this discussion. During the New Deal Republicans were also worried that the very popular programs Roosevelt was using to fix the Republican-caused Great Depression would lead to a permanent Democratic majority.
Which led to accusations that the program monies were being distributed on a partisan basis to Democratic supporters and cronies.
Which led to the Hatch Act of 1939 - the primary purpose of which was "to prohibit federal employees (civil servants) from engaging in partisan political activity." The act was actually sponsored by Carl Hatch, a Democratic Senator from New Mexico, apparently to get the Republicans of the day to STFU.
It didn't seem to have worked. Since the act's passage, any program that actually helps people is considered to be too popular - if successful it will surely garner votes for the party that started it. Money spent on special interests and corporate cronies is another matter.
you cannot be one without some socialism....
and especially so if you happen to drop the most bombs.
Hey this is the U.S.A. buddy not the land of peace love dove.
Snark
I feel sorry for the poor losers and bastards who are victims but it's not my responsibility!
those losers, bastards, and victims, please?
Being cynical is easy. The hard work is coming up with new solutions and working to get them into law.
“Idealism is what precedes experience, cynicism is what follows.”
David Wolf
called cynicism by them that don't have it."
when our Government is so totally corrupted and entrenched?
Please, I am all ears.
.....you are mostly mouth, and it is all cynical complaining with no suggestions for improving what you are complaining about.
You remind me of my ex.
End the wars, dismantle the Corporate Perpetual War machine. Close the foreign military bases. Dismantle the CIA, dismantle the National Security Agency, dismantle the Department of Homeland Security.
Reduce the War/National Security State budget to 10% of its current size, it keeping with the actual security needs of the country and expenditures of foreign competitors.
End Corporate welfare.
Establish the rule of law for Corporate Criminals.
Break up the Too Big to Jail Banks, conduct meticulous audits, investigate for fraud and prosecute where indicated.
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There is a lot more than that, that is only a start.
Oh yes
HR 676 single payer, get the Wall Street Mafia out of health care.
My husband, as much as he wants HC for all, has been insisting all along that our number one goal should be ending these fucked up wars. I'm beginning to think he's right. God, look at the billions, trillions spent on these 2 wars, which never EVER shoulda been started in the first place!
END THE WARS NOW - HC will fall in place lickity split!
You're interested in Hillary Clinton's lickity split?
To live by:
There are no problems, just opportunities for solutions.
of the People of The United States! That's why I'm in Washington working hard for my constituents! And I got the best health care in the world! So no ones gonna' tell me we ain't #!
to fly....but not land.
Comprende?
This is just another case of politicians ignoring what the people want. Greed has overtaken this fight....
Hatch your complete lack of compassion for your fellow human beings and the planet you live on is startling.
But a little common sense will go a long way here. And whatever politician does not vote for universal health care should immediately in 2010 get booted out. Dem or Rep.
What is the role of government Orrin? As you think the government has no role and can do nothing correctly, why the fuck are you in the government?
"What is the role of government Orrin?"
His paycheck, health insurance, expenses, etc.
What a fuck faced ball sucker. Country first huh?
The government shouldn't be made up one party. Let the GOP's last reign be an example of how dangerous a one party rule can ruin our Country.
I believe a real third party group is needed to offset this type of self serving partisan horseshit.
I would use this clip against him at re-election time. I would play it over and over just to show his constituents how he cares more for his party's rule than his constituents needs. I hope every "news" outlet runs with this hard. Mr. Hatch is the opitome of what America doesn't need in government.
the Mormon Homeland. (I live in a neighboring state. We have a bumper sticker that says "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may be in Utah") In all fairness, liberals are starting to make a mark in SLC.
So everyone is in agreement that Social Security needs reform but it would take someone loosing their seat to get it done? You had every lever of power available for years under GWB and your stupid ass ideas for the reform of Social Security still didn't happen (lucky for the nation). Why not. Because your ideas are stupid and do harm to this country. Stop using social security as a slush fund and it wouldn't need help.
I really wanted all my SS dollars in Bears Sterns and Lehman . . .
Oh wait - that would have been bad.
till no more trees remain on earth. The problem is the bosses want interest paid on that paper.
Social Security is a pay as you go system.
SS taxes (FICA) taken from taxpayers pay checks today, pay for recipients today.
There is a slight surplus which is held in the Social Security Trust Fund. The Trust Fund is about two trillion. That money is held in special US Treasury bonds.
In a few years, as it stands now, because of demographics, the surplus will turn negative and the Trust Fund will be drawn down. Off the top of my head that date is 2017. Then, again as it stands now, at some point, something like 2040, the Trust Fund will be exhausted and the difference will need come from another source.
But even in that scenario it doesn't mean SS would be broke, only that the In/Out flow are not in balance.
People that say that SS is in need of reform are not typically not telling it like it actually is, mainly because they want to privatize it, (and rip it off).
There is another argument that says the way we are handling our fiscal house in general, there will not be a United States by 2040. We will implode long before then. It won't be SS that does it.
liabilities and unfunded commitments including Medicare, Social Security, Public Debt, Pensions, etc. have already exceeded $53 trillion dollars.
How can there be a slight surplus?
It is a pay as you go system.
The dollar that is owed today, comes in today, everyday. Except there is still a slight surplus. A dollar is owed, $1.01 comes in (for illustration purposes only, it might be $1.005, or whatever)
In ten years or so, the dollar then per day might be matched by 99¢ (for illustration purposes only) at which time the Trust Fund makes up the difference, until it is exhausted or a balance is re-established.
The people that come out with the advance liabilities all in one package, as with your $53 trillion, do not explain that they are divided on a monthly basis against a $14 trillion GDP. Year after year.
It is fear mongering. Not that we don't have enormous problems that may do us in anyway. Only, that is not the way to explain them.
Mostly such people are gross anti-socialists. They would just as soon privatize Social Security and thus plunder it.
I always keep in mind that whenever I hear some of these republicants acusing Democrats of something, they are really describing what they themselves would do.
It is not an article at all, it is a commercial for an oil co.
Thanks for wasting my time.
On Fox and
FreaksFriends this morning they were talking about whether or not insurance companies should include prayer as a kind of health care. I couldn't figure out if they were for it or against it. They said it has been proven that prayers can heal so prayer should be somehow covered. Then they wondered if prayer was considered a type of health care and the person being prayed for died, could the family sue? About that time Huckabee joined in the conversation and it just got weirder.I hadn't seen Huck for a while but he looks to have gained back a whole lot of his weight. My husband said he did it so he wouldn't look slender like an elitist.
Benefit Class . . Prayer
Insurance pays . . 50%
.... for it or against it before they know if they are for or against it.
"Logical conclusion," in the case of anything faith-based, being utter extremist lunacy.
But the whole premise, besides being batsh#t crazy, brings up an interesting theological question. IF the insurance companies were to charge for prayer, would they then pay some pool of prayer practitioners? And if someone were praying for profit, would God pay any attention? I was always taught that an element of sincerity was required.
the republicans have a lot of concern especially after the BUSH legacy. even the "public option" is threatening in that it may represent a "collective" power. in my opinion this part of the strategy to dilute/weaken a "robust" public option is to NOT empower president obama/democrats. it's party BEfore country. this will cause further economic weakness to this country.
will benefit from the Public Option as it stands.
Huge threat to the bottom line.
had no problem with the idea of a Rovian 1000-year Republican reign that was put into place on day one of the Bush administration. No one could even get their foot in the door without pledging an oath to Emperor Bush.
And we all know how great *that* turned out.
What we are what we will ever be depends on the democratic party!
The republicans don't give a shit if you live or die as long as they have theirs and you have nothing it's a perfect world! I don know why everyone gets his name wrong it is Whorrin hatch. Peostitute for the insurance companies or anyone else that will pay enough!
republicansim/conservatism is a mental illness!
Perhaps his "magic Mormon undergarments" are too tight... -
And when you believe that your god lives on a charitable planet, that dark skin is a curse from that same extraterrestrial god who, by the way, also designed your underwear...well, you've got to figure the rest of the world might see your beliefs as less sacred.
I find it interesting that they just have visions over night. Like that one time, they were going to have to go to court because they were being racist against blacks.
...about how whatever good-looking teenage girl was nearby had to "marry" him.
Isn't it interesting that the people who have visions, voices, etc. from God never seem to disagree with any of them?
When this liar says that United Health is a Democratic run organization, you can see horns popping out of his little devil head. Watch him pause after he spews out his lie to gather his thoughts. United Health is not run by Democrats. From Thomas Keene (R) to William McGuire who has given almost $120,000 in contributions to Republican candidates and $4,000 to Democratic candidates in the last election, they spread the wealth but most of it to Republicans. Don't beleive a word this weasel pops at you.
They'll have reduced the American people to dependency on the federal government.
I love how this prick has been drawing a government paycheck for decades, but doesn't think people should be dependent on the feds though. That's the main reason I can't stand these people anymore. The quicker they are gone the better.
Keeping the government from doing anything that would benefit most of its people is hard work and deserving of a stipend.
We spend more per capita on health care than any other country.
We're way down the list in every category for positive outcomes.
Try naming another country that has people going bankrupt because of medical bills. Or dying because they couldn't access the system.
We're the only country where making a profit off peoples' suffering is legal.
Ask the citizens of just about any other industrialized country on earth if they'd trade in their health care system for ours.
Wanna bet they laugh in your face?
In any other place, if a politician had uttered similar words to Hatch's it would be on the news 24/7. It would probably whip up the unions and the left into making sure those words are used to haunt and bury Hatch's political party at every single electoral level.
Here? not so much.
It's interesting that Republicans were okay with Dems being forced to becoming Republican-lite politicians in order to survive politically. But now that there's the very real possibility that some career Republicans will need to morph themselves into conservative Democrats (Red Dogs?), they've all got the vapors.
Watching as the events in the NY-23 unfold (conservatives forced Rockefeller Republican Dede Scozzafava to give up her campaign last Friday, in case you weren't following), and taking into account Specter's defection and the treatment of Snowe by the conservatives, I'm beginning to think that Hatch is the Red Dog you're talking about.
I think Jerry Ford is turning over in his grave. I'll stop by there tonight to confirm this.
I was just looking the other day at the 1976 election. It wasn't the landslide I thought it was after that whole impeachment-pardon thing.
Ford carried Michigan, Illinois, New Jersey, and California. Carter carried the solid south from Texas to North Carolina.
Surprizing. I don't think Carter was a great President. Maybe the lesson is that if South Carolina and Mississippi agree with you, you should reconsider.
Only lost by a few percentage points in the popular vote.
I'm a (practically) lifelong (Grand) Rapidian, and my mom raised me on Free To Be, You And Me, and mom- who has never voted for a Republican before or since- voted for Ford in '76. Jerry wasn't as outspoken as Betty on mom's pet issues(ERA, Reproductive Rights) at the time, but mom knew that he stood on her side. She couldn't say the same for Carter, an evangelical, southern Democrat with little track record on those issues.
Is bad regardless of the label. Just sayin.
And I'm not so sure it could ever happen in a democracy that (theoretically) protects the right of those holding minority views to speak freely.
Suppose the Republican Party as we have known it for 150+ years was to disintegrate as did the Whigs (a slower process then you might think- the Whigs were still players in the Confederacy during the Civil War). There's already a branch of conservative ideologues taking over the GOP...I can easily foresee RINOs and DINOs forming a centrist party. There already exist fringier parties on the left and right. I think we'll see more parties when this all shakes out.
We just want results. Hatch's statement shows an absolute disconnect with America.
To way too many Americans, the only thing that matters is that the politician is anti-choice (i.e. labeled "Pro-life").
You mean the repuke message of, "You're on you're own, now wonder off and die under a bridge will ya.", has nothing to do with people shifting to Dem eh? I guess when you are faced with starving, or living homeless, or crappy medical care, or being under the thumb of the wealthiest, then yes, turning to the government for help might be an option, your only option maybe even......
Just curious about his statistics...
"He said 40% of people don't pay income tax. Soon to be 50%."
Is this accurate?
I think what this means is that since the Wealthy pay so much more of the taxes, then they deserve a bigger share of the benefits.
Isn't that the justification for all that is being done...??
"Right now, you have 40% of people who don't pay income tax, and that's headed to 50%."
Okay, Orin, let's talk about why they don't pay:
a) because you've created so many loopholes for the rich, they don't have to pay their fair share.
b) because you've created an economic system based entirely on inequity (i.e. keep labor costs down to boost profits for a few), you've got the incredibly wealthy and the poor, and yes, if you're poor enough (you make $18,000 a year), you don't have to pay taxes.
The fact is, if the Democrats manage to get the country back to where it was—when people were paid for their work and raises were the norm, when government actually SERVED the people and those services were quality—there would still be a two-party (or multiple-party) system. EVERY country has them...with the exception of the U.S., which has two parties that both serve the corporations.
If a good health care bill gets passed, millions of Americans will be delighted with "socialized" healthcare. Why fear the label when it's giving you what you what all other rich nations enjoy? People will thank the Democrats. You'll wonder why you let yourselves get gouged by the insurance comapnies for so long. After all, the government should be YOU, but it seems not in America.
that's what this is really coming down to.... concern over party dominance. the (r)'s are worried about the "robust public option" and how it will effect their party. what a surprise party before country.
Money for themselevs and their rich friends before country!!
You citizens are just pests to them.
Apparently the democrats are doing all THEY can to prevent a democratic majority also. "Morons."
...is revolution and the complete destruction of capitalism and the ruling class.
Even Howard Dean said yesterday he supports a strong republican party. As long as you depend on a rich man, with a big bank loan, to provide you a job you are supporting the corrupt two party, two class system. Dems support Repugs. Why? They are in on the rigged system. We need a form of socialism, not marxism, a socialism that respects basic freedom.
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