Condi Rice Denies Bush Pushed Bogus Saddam - 9/11 Link

On the eve of the sixth anniversary of the Iraq war, Condoleezza Rice joined the long list of Bush White House figures taking to the airwaves to rewrite their boss' tragic legacy. "No one," she told Charlie Rose last night, "was arguing that Saddam Hussein somehow had something to do with 9/11." Of course, Rice was just one of many Bush administration officials making that claim before and after the invasion. And as it turns out, Ari Fleischer and George W. Bush himself among others are continuing to peddle that same mythical link between Iraq and September 11th.

As ThinkProgress noted, then national security adviser Rice argued in September 2002 that Saddam had "links to terrorism [that] would include al-Qaeda." But on Wednesday, the former Secretary of State traveled back in time to whitewash history:

ROSE: But you didn't believe it had anything to do with 9/11.

RICE: No. No one was arguing that Saddam Hussein somehow had something to do with 9/11.

ROSE: No one.

RICE: I was certainly not. The President was certainly not...That's right. We were not arguing that.

Of course, Rice wasn't the only one in the Bush White House contending "there were ties going on between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime," as she insisted as late as September 2006. Echoing President Bush's farewell in January, former press secretary Ari Fleischer made the Saddam - September 11 connection just seven days ago.

As I first detailed last week, Fleischer used to an appearance with Chris Matthews on MSNBC's Hardball to display his gift for fiction regarding the Iraq war and 9/11:

"After September 11th having been hit once how could we take a chance that Saddam might strike again? And that's the threat that has been removed and I think we are all safer with that threat removed."

But if Fleischer was butchering history to justify the calamity in Iraq, he was only following George W. Bush's lead.

An unapologetic President Bush made that clear during his final address to the American people on January 15, 2009. Just days before his departure, Bush seamlessly wove the invasion of Iraq into his revisionist history of the aftermath of September 11, 2001:

"As the years passed, most Americans were able to return to life much as it had been before 9/11. But I never did. Every morning, I received a briefing on the threats to our nation. I vowed to do everything in my power to keep us safe....

...And with strong allies at our side, we have taken the fight to the terrorists and those who support them. Afghanistan has gone from a nation where the Taliban harbored al Qaeda and stoned women in the streets to a young democracy that is fighting terror and encouraging girls to go to school. Iraq has gone from a brutal dictatorship and a sworn enemy of America to an Arab democracy at the heart of the Middle East and a friend of the United States."

Of course, Bush's subtlety in January was nowhere on display during his jaw-dropping December 15, 2008 interview with ABC's Martha Raddatz. The President wasn't merely content to ignore the bipartisan 9/11 Commission's conclusion that Al Qaeda and Iraq had no "operational relationship." Boasting that "there have been no attacks since I have been president, since 9/11," the President simply dismissed any criticism that it was only his 2003 invasion which brought Al Qaeda forces to Iraq:

BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take -

RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.

BUSH: Yeah, that's right. So what? The point is that al Qaeda said they're going to take a stand. Well, first of all in the post-9/11 environment Saddam Hussein posed a threat. And then upon removal, al Qaeda decides to take a stand.

In an address ten days earlier to the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington, DC, President Bush argued on December 5th that the truth should not be the lens through which his decision to invade Iraq should be viewed. Whether Saddam had actual connections to Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the September 11 calamity, he proclaimed, was virtually irrelevant:

"It is true, as I have said many times, that Saddam Hussein was not connected to the 9/11 attacks. But the decision to remove Saddam from power cannot be viewed in isolation from 9/11. In a world where terrorists armed with box cutters had just killed nearly 3,000 people, America had to decide whether we could tolerate a sworn enemy that acted belligerently, that supported terror, and that intelligence agencies around the world believed had weapons of mass destruction. It was clear to me, to members of both political parties, and to many leaders around the world that after 9/11, this was a risk we could not afford to take."

For his part, Dick Cheney (aided and abetted by his biographer and 9/11-Iraq fabulist Stephen Hayes) has continued to proclaim as fact the nonexistent Bin Laden-Hussein connection. (In March 2008, Cheney anticipated Bush's "so what?" response to Martha Raddatz, shrugging off her assertion that "two-thirds of Americans say it's not worth fighting" in Iraq by simply remarking, "So?") And in an interview with Jim Lehrer of the PBS News Hour on January 14, 2009, Vice President Cheney regurgitated his blatantly discredited claim about an Iraq-Al Qaeda nexus. Answering "I think so" when asked whether the 4500 Americans killed in Iraq was worth it, Cheney continued:

"He'd had a nuclear program in the past. He killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and he did have a relationship with al-Qaida. Now, we've had this debate, keeps people trying to conflate those arguments.

That's not to say that Saddam was responsible for 9/11; it is to say - as George Tenet, CIA director testified in open session in the Senate - that there was a relationship there that went back 10 years."

Of course, as ThinkProgress detailed, President Bush and Vice President Cheney throughout 2002 and 2003 warned of the mythical alliance between Saddam and Bin Laden. For example, on October 14, 2002, Bush announced that "We know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade." On the eve of the war, the President told Americans that Iraq "has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda." And as hostilities commenced, Cheney on March 21, 2003 decried Iraq as the "geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

As I documented back in June 2005, President Bush continued to nurture the false Iraq connection to 9/11 long after he grudgingly admitted on September 17, 2004 that "we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th." Bush's intentional conflation of the two included the amazing June 18, 2005 statement that "we went to war [with Iraq] because we were attacked." By December 2008, Bush's linkage had morphed into the "risk we could not afford to take."

As it turns out, for George W. Bush the "risk we could not afford to take" was not averting war with Iraq, but the absence of a compelling sales pitch for it. And to be sure, Bush was in that regard quite successful. As an October 2003 PIPA survey showed, even after the invasion of Iraq, majorities of Americans continued to believe Bush administration claims about Saddam (Iraq role in 9/11, an alliance between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and Saddam's WMD) all long since proven false. (Unsurprisingly, viewers of Fox News were the most delusional.) And as late as July 2006, fully 50% of Americans still believed the discredited claim that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction.

In his predictably self-absorbed farewell address to the nation, President George W. Bush grudgingly acknowledged, "There are things I would do differently if given the chance." But as he demonstrated that night, rejecting his repeated linkage of the 9/11 attacks to his war on Iraq is not among them. As for Condi Rice, she insists the deception never took place.

Of course, Rice's denial may be explained by the fact the "smoking gun" never took the form of "a mushroom cloud."

(This piece also appears at Perrspectives.)



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Isn't what these assholes are doin illegal?
I mean, they're attempting to REWRITE history right in front of us, and FEW are calling them out on it!
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Well, right. And I'll believe this lying sack over my own lying eyes and ears, any day. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Is noone, besides Jon Stewart and Rachel Maddow, capable of asking followup questions and calling out untruths, when an interview subject lies? Whatever happened to the practice of real (as opposed to stenographic) journalism?

Used to be OK, now bought, paid for and brought to you by Coke and other multinationals that might be embarrassed by followup work.

Rose is a clapped out old whore.

back in 2005 or so. It is a shame, I really used to admire him.

Roll the freakin' video tape, Charlie! Come on, do your damn job!

Why go out and pound the pavement and find sources when you can just sit in the studio and have the principals come and answer your questions?

Of course they won't come if they know they're going to have to answer hard questions.

Perhaps that is the real damage to journalism that TV has done. Creating the dynamic of the interviewer and the interviewee as the ultimate in journalistic achievement as opposed to actually finding out facts and information.

As Russert used to say, let's go to the tape.

They can deny as much as they want, we have tapes to disprove what they are saying. Just saying it isn't so doesn't prove it never was.

but they catapult the propaganda pretty well, don't they?

My question is: Why are these people still allowed to be on the TV?

This is the same cunning game the Bush Administration has always played, and particularly Fleischer and Cheney.

You ask them a question about Iraq or Saddam, they answer with 9/11 or terrorism.

You ask them a question about 9/11 or terrorism, and they answer about Iraq or Saddam.

This is not a slip of the tongue, and this is not allowing ideology to cloud facts. It's a deliberate misdirection. The answer is never about the question. Trying to pin them down is like trying to catch mercury under your finger.

Or trying to find the Queen in 3-card monte. The only way to win the game is not to play because it's a sucker bet. The words of Cheney and Fleischer must be universally ignored.

Crooks and Liars. What can I expect from Condi Rice? She's a pathological liar. What Bullshit.

She is really good at it too. I almost believe her.

Condi is the poster-child of the "Liars" in "Crooks and LIARS".

With apologies to John Lennon, how do these people sleep at night? How do they get up every morning and look themselves in the eye in a mirror? How psychologically f'ed up do you have to be to lie about something as important as the case you made for taking the nation to war?

People this mentally deranged belong in an institution not as heads of state or on the boob tube peddling their delusional BS.

Why not continue lying? It's worked for them so far!!

Indeed. But, unlike most of us, they seem to lack any conscience or, if you're more spiritual, soul. Hence, my characterization of them as mentally deranged.

condi is some sort of einsteinian practical joke. her integrity is the anti-singularity. where her integrity is at a point of infinite shallowness and significant volume

This is what ignorant, paid, Reslugs do best, lie deny, lie, deny, to no avail. Bush's kiss-ass administration is totally wasting their time if they are trying to convince Americans that they did nothing wrong and didn't screw up our country.

What did you expect Bush's mistress to say???

You would think all these people would want to keep a low profile rather than remind the country of the pigs that they are. If I had been involved in something like what they were involved in, I would lay low and STFU.

The slimeball press does NOT visit the snake den to receive lies. The snakes have to emerge to speak with their forked tongues and get the word out to the idiots who actually buy this crap.

STFU is not now and never will be part of their vocabulary...except when addressing Democrats.

Oh please Patricia? Just kidding. I see your point.

escape from prison or awaiting trial? What's that? She isn't even charged?

What good did she ever do during the past eight years? All I remember were photos of her sitting with different heads of different countries. She would be in one chair on one side of a table and whomever she was visiting would be in an identical chair on the other side of the table. They would each smile for the camera.

You know what? I think I could do that and probably for a lot less than she was paid.

...for Obama! (it's trivia time)!!!!

Bush nominated her for a promotion to Secretary of State in 2006.

Obama confirmed her nomination! ...it was one of his very first votes as a U.S. senator.

(disappointing huh?)

No matter who or what the topic, goofs like you consistently try to leave shit on Obama's porch. Some of you "Progressives" have the same bash Obama obsession as the Conservatives.

and he tracked shit all over his own porch.

The fact is...Sleeza proved time and again prior to 2006 that she was a piece of shit.

and everyone here knew it then, ...exept Obama.

Dude, C&L isn't a haven for liars...it's a place to call them out.

want me to Prove Obama voted for her?

dont you have a google toolbar?

Fact is most democrats voted (no) on her confirmation. Obama was one of the (only 13) democrats to confirm her.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1564003.html

But you suggest that Obama is the only progressive that voted for her. If you wish to play "Let's point out Obama's political fuck ups" we can go on and on. Face it...you're off topic.

...is better than being a liar.

and yes I did "suggest" that he was one of a few dumbass Dems that voted for her.

which is true.

Now who's the liar?

The average American knew Condi was a piece of shit in 2006 and so did most of our elected Democrats (see link above) WTF are you talking about?

I repeat repeat "everyone knew she sucked (including Dems in congress, and only thirteen Democratic Senator voted yes on her confirmation" and Obama was one of the thirteen idiot turncoats who voted to confirm her...

what exactly is your problem with my statements, and the link I left to prove them?

I can't stand Rice either, but you're revising the truth. At the beginning of her tenure as Secretary of State, Rice was one of the most admired women in America. Maybe you, me, and of course many here "knew she sucked" but most didn't. You're using the hatred for Rice to take a pointless(and off topic) shot at Obama.

why did only 13 Democratic Senators vote for her?

and why did Obama vote outside party lines like that?

Pissed off Patricia and the rest of most libs here (me included)knew she was a piece of shit from day one...errr at least (since 9/11)

whats Obama's excuse?

"..Rice was one of the most admired women in America."

By 2004?? Are you kidding me?? Horseshit!

Rice's shortcomings were painfully obvious by 2006, and she was repeatedly hammered for her unwillingness to connect the dots during her 2004 appearance before congress in regard to 9/11.

the day his sun shine began!

Many still admire this skank. Condi lies in her dreams.

..to rewrite history. So what!
Nobody is responsible, there's nothing that can be done.
Well, there is, but nobody, NO-BOD-EE, is going to appoint a Special Prosecutor to end this string of lies and the re-writing of history.
End of story. Nothing to see here, Move along.

It'll be the same as Iran-Contras, Iran-Iraq War, Iraqi Freedom, the over throw of Mossadeq in '53 and so many other aggressive actions we've perpetuated in the region in the past 60 years.

What did you expect from Bush's "wife".

and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" !!!! (sorry, Al)

Frankly, the only thinking I can think about when I see Condi nowadays is one of the photos w/caption from the little book called 'Bad President'.

Bush is sitting at a desk in the UN and Condi, sitting behind him, leans toward him, smiles and says, "Mr. President. Guess who isn't wearing any underpants!?"

I believe that is a true and correct depiction of the discourse that went on during Dubya's rule. Fascists all....

"Oh, is that where you hide the weapons of mass destruction?"

that this piece of shit now works for the university.

Wasn't bush at some big meeting and he passed condi a note that said that he needed to go to the restroom? Or was that photoshop?

Unfortunately (like most things with the Bush administration) it was real. Check out

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/a...

Thanks for that link. I have to wonder what he would have done if she wasn't there.

Rice has lied so many times it's hard to count, but she's gotten off easier than the rest of the Bush crew. She's always been out to cover her ass first and foremost.

)O(

Maybe we should call her rice pudding head.

...Jon Stewart is so valuable. I didn't see the Charlie Rose show with Rice. Stewart can pop up an immediate refutation of the bullshit by playing back to them, to their faces, what they said. Eventually, maybe, the embarrassment will take hold (a boy can hope), and they'll be forced to stop dis-enacting recent history.

Continue to cram their own words back down their gullets. Maybe we can end up with disinformation foie gras that doesn't harm any of the duck population. Actually, forget that a-boy-can-hope shit. Until King, Gregory, Schieffer, Stephanopoulos, every newspaper, et al start pushing back, all we're going to get is jack shit.

There must be hearings. These people must be put under oath. They must be GRILLED (not coddled)about their involvement in the Bush Crime Family. Their statements must be checked with the FACTS. When they lie they must be indicted for perjury.

There's no other way.

Until I get an answer otherwise as to what was actually going on in December 2004, I think they tried to disappear me. Fortunately my acute intuition kicked in and they failed.

I'd like to hear the details but I'm sure it would be too dangerous for you to tell your story. You were lucky to escape.

These people must be put under oath.

People can lie under oath.
Nothing changes.

Her only talent was when she was asked one question she could take up the rest of the time answering that question. She knew how to use up time to avoid another question.

She is a lying bitch and charlie Rose knows that. Why would he not call her out on this? In an interview, when you ask a question you should damn well know what the answer is before you ask the question. He should have had clips of these ass-holes linking Iraq to 9/11. God knows there are enough of them out there.
I am sick and tired of these "news people" allowing these bastards to blurt out whatever venom they desire and there being no consequences when they are caught lying through their teeth. The same went for the shooter during his last interview. What a miserable piece of reporting!

Because Rose, like the others, is a "celebrity" fucker. It's the cult of personality.

So what Rice is saying is that since the KKK is active in the US, and we may want to do something to curb their activities, we should declare war on Mexico, the US, and Canada.

Anyone else think that the recent rush of hot air (Rice here, bush up in Calgary, cheney on CNN, Fleisher on wherever, etc) is all just a convenient distraction to distract from the fact the the current Rethugs are totally irrelevant?

Don't forget Dana Pirino, I've seen her pop up a couple of times lately.

I've almost forgotten Boner, Cantor, even Obama and Biden. But I guess that's the intent...

the pop up turkey thermometer of the Bush Administration.

They know that what they've done and been involved in for eights years was criminal. They need to put out as much disinformation as they can. This is all calculated and coordinated. Expect to see much more of this before hearings start (if they ever do start...).

I guess this really shouldn't surprise anyone. Most criminals deny the crimes they have committed.

is incompetent. The 4th estate is corrupt. There will be no justice. I fear for this country.

"No one, was arguing that Saddam Hussein somehow had something to do with 9/11"

she acts as if there aren't hours of video records showing her and the band of neofascists attempting to conflate saddam and 9/11...

"dr" my ass... more like moron rice.

roll the tapes jimmy

that if war crimes go to trial, they will be able to select Fox and CNN viwers as Jurors.

When lawyers ask, "Have you ever heard any facts or formed any opinions on these cases?" the prospective jurors will be able to answer honestly...

..don't have enough of a "Main St." type of audience for them to discuss this on their shows and have enough people care. For most of America, this is, "SO?". That is pitiful!

Even beyond Iraq, the only proof ever offered for the complicity of al Qaeda / Osama bin Laden/ radical islamic fundamentalism in the 9-11 attacks have been -

a) sketchy video/audio tapes purportedly from Osama

b) uncorroborated "confessions" from tortured detainees

The 9-11 Commission states that their only source for blaming the attacks on al Qaeda is b) above.

The investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker has spent a lot of time in the Florida area where Atta and his crew were enrolled at flight schools, and he discovered that their milieu had more to do with international crime syndicates and drug runners than with religious fanatics.The FBI spent more time telling witnesses to shut up than they did investigating. His book "Welcome To Terrorland" is worth checking out.

Certifies OSAMA BIN LADEN has something to do with 9-11 check FBI Site out:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinla...

"Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

Is it because he was just a PATSY?

Is it because he is already dead?

Must be lucrative to be Condi's nose shaping specialist.

How else can she conceal the natural growth in length?

Also amazing how Bush/Cheney regime main players such as Rice,Rove,Gonzales and The Cheney himself avoid(ed) spontaneous combustion from mockery of liar liar pants on fire rules.

All the Bush thugs use the cover of plausible deniability to backtrack their comments. There's no denying they made those connections, sometimes explicitly, but often implicitly. Yet, it doesn't stop them from claiming that any evidence of them making that connection was a misinterpretation on the listener's behalf. No surprise really, they operated the same way while in power.

After the interview and upon saying goodbye, ..... Wicked Witch Condi screams "I'm melting!" I'm melting! Melting!"
The Evil Witch began to shrink and fall away…………
Her lies tumbled down in a brown, melted, shapeless mass ...

Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong!

Ok, we're stupid Condi. We didn't just live through the past eight years of lies. How can anyone support lieing sacks 'o crap like the repugnacans?

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CON-da-LIAR Rice...

... CON-d-illusion Rice.

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I was so hoping yesterday, when Rachel had Wilkerson on her show she would go ahead and ask him to repeat what he had said in Feb.'s VANITY FAIR about having to coach Condi for the 9/11 whitewash (my term, not his)...and that they had to 'cherry-pick' things to make it look like the Bush Adm. had been interested in Al-Qaeda...which Wilkerson said, "(....)..they didn't give a s*** about Al-Qaeda...having 'other priorities' ....(....)" Like being more interested in the Missile Defense System...

I would have even watched Scarborough's head explode over that one...but she didn't. Maybe she never read the article. I am sure there were others besides me who let her know about it.

But I am hoping she brings it up tonight. Especially with this little gem floating around now. I would imagine she and Olbermann are inundated with material, and seeing as she and he have only an hour-long show each, have to figure out what stuff they take the time for ( ? ). Do they get to pick what they talk about?

quoted some of that admin's talking points and put Condi's feet to the fire. Oh yeah, he's a journalist and they don't do that anymore.

That people write down and even record the shit she says?

Are you referring to Jon Stewart?

Wow

Fuck her.

Obama should also be impeached immediately.

Because of these continual lies Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rove and the whole Bush crime family (the Neo-cons)should be on trial for war crimes.
Those who accept the truth know Saddam had No ties to 9-11 and No WMD!

does the media continue to treat this gang of criminals like respected members of society?

This is actually still huge news. Just because the financial state of the country is getting all the attention right now. Shouldn't mean that we should forget or give them a pass .
OK, here we go.
Saddam has ballistic missles with war heads. Massive deaths
Mushroom clouds.
Chemical and Biological weapons. Massive deaths
He can attack and do us harm.
Massive deaths.
I was listening to the Peter B Collins show on the way home today.
This was a topic.
He had a 30 second condensed clip of the bullshit that Boosh, Rice, Rummy, and Chainey all spewed.
I can't remember all of them, but there were plenty.

This is a good guy. You might want to check him out.
Peter B Collins. He's worth checking out. Help him out if you can.
In this day and age, we need all the help we can get.
Thanks

It must've been action-packed, in that case.

The long clip is, no doubt, a 30-hour film extravaganza featuring war movies and gruesome slasher flicks.

Cheney was the man pulling all the strings.
He got what he wanted. He walked right in to it, face first.
OBL must be laughing his ass off. He won.

Every night, he removes the petrified remains of OBL from the man-sized safe, puts the corpse on a waterboard, pops a torture tape into the VCR, and reminisces about the good old days ...

Why

Why is rose even on the air, his show has been used(with his ok)by every gop hack and criminal in the world. Too damn bad his fancy doctors were able to fix his heart,allowing him to keep paving the way for scum like rice and the dick. Get out of dodge rose,your nothing but a whore and the sight or you makes be want to vomit.Public broadcasting my ass!CEO,citizens,eyes,open.

If you repeat a big lie enough times it will... remain a big lie and even the credulous will finally see it as bull shit.

Condi "...the Middle East is the problem."

As National Security adviser her job is to analyze security threats and suggest action, but in this interview she thinks like a general: how to acquire land. She had 8 years to suggest strict oil conservation and alternative energy development to provide security for the US. Instead she promoted killing and maiming Iraqis to steal their oil, which her friends have gained access to, which they will sell on the open market. She abused her government positions to have her friends profit and made the US more insecure. She is a traitor and should be jailed.

The Bush administration, including Condi, did a great job protecting our country from further attack. Thank you!

You

are still delusional.

Why does anyone even talk to these people.

They are never going to tell the truth, so why bother.

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