Prop 8 Spokesman Says Defeating Gays is Like Defeating Hitler
By Julia Rosen Thursday Oct 30, 2008 8:00am(cross-posted from Calitics)
Yes, he went there at an official Sacramento Yes on 8 rally yesterday. This is Brad Dacus, an official Prop 8 spokesperson speaking. He is the President of the Pacific Justice Institute, a religious-right lawyers 501c3 organization.
Here is the transcript:
"There was another time in history when people, when the bell tolled. And the question was whether or not they were going to hear it. The time was during Nazi Germany with Adolf Hitler. You see he brought crowds of clergy together to assure them that he was going to look after the church.
And one of the members, bold and courageous, Reverend Niemand (sp?) made his way to the front and (inaudible) said "Hitler, we are not concerned about the church. Jesus Christ will take care of the church.
We are concerned about the soul of Germany." Embarrassed and chagrined, his peers quickly shuffled him to the back.
And as they did Adolf Hitler said, "The soul of Germany, you can leave that to me." And they did, and because they did bombs did not only fall upon the nation of Germany, but also upon the church and their testimony to this very day.
Let us not make that mistake folks. Let us hear the bell! Vote on Proposition 8!"
Dacus is the guy who was the chief architect of the movement to get an opt-out law for parents to take their child out of any school activity that violates their religious or moral beliefs. Like say, if a charter school asks the parents if they want to take their kids on a field trip to celebrate their teacher getting married. You know, the one they are conveniently forgetting about and then lying in their ads about education and teh children.
Heck, you can even find instructions on how to get an opt-out form on his organization's website. This is the guy who is comparing me to Hitler in an attempt to take away my rights.
The best way you can answer back to Dacus is to get out this weekend and election day and volunteer for the No on 8 campaign. There is a special netroots volunteer sign-up form. Fill it out and tell them you came from Crooks and Liars.
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Let them talk and talk and talk.
Let their hate out in all it's glory. Let America see what extremism and xynophobia and bigotry look like.
These people call themselves religious and Christians...it's laughable.
Jesus abvocated peace, compassion and charity.
Those who worship him as a god ignore his teachings, and preach hatred.
WHY do they worship Jesus, when he stood for everthing they hate???
because they's gay.
30 year old semite, unwed, and spent 3 years with a bunch of compadres without a single female.
Draw your own conclusions...
..a small mustache on Dacus.
The book of Leviticus is full of hatred. Jesus said that all those rules were still in effect.
Firstly said he /new/ covenant superseded where it conflicts with the past. If you think Leviticus were still in effect.
I take you never eat left overs, or wear a suit or most modern clothing? because that were forbidden with EQUAL STRENGTH as the "anti-gay" part in the same section
separation of church and state. This is how stupid these bigots are.
Instead, they want to translate their religious beliefs into law. Everyone deserves the same rights as their neighbors in this so-called "United" States. We do not deserve the title as the "greatest nation in the world." Not with our own history of slavery, racism, and discrimination.
I say, allow equality, but let the churches decide how they want to approach it. Simple as that. If a gay couple wants to get married in a certain church and gets turned down, well, they'll find a different venue. Not a big deal. And who of any of them would want to get married in a church that promotes hate anyway?
I'm sick and tired of this country. I really am. It's unconscionable to me how ANY human being thinks they are any better or any different than the next.
Ummm...Hitler hated gays, and had them put in death camps with pink triangles on their shirts.
http://andrejkoymasky.com/mem/holocaust/04/ga...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkRIbUT6u7Q
...applying factual history and reason to the Prop 8 opponents' agenda.
Historians are convinced many of trhe early Nazis and Brownshirts, such as Ernst Rohm, had gay relationships- so it's hardly a shock that the most venemous gay bashers amongst the Nazis were themselves self hating closted gays- just as Rev Phelps and Michael Savage are the most obvious cases of self hating closeted gays i've ever seen.
It's the same with this new Christian homophobe- yet another self hating closet case.
No historical dispute going on there...
I still get a laugh when I see boy scouts blowing a gasket about homosexuals, when their organization is modeled after the SA... which was founded by a homosexual.
Boy scouts predate the SA (if the SA is what I think your saying), but it should also be point out the the BSA are rather divergent to the rest of the Scouting movement, which have no problem with homosexual scouts.
Anybody that has a brain would know that the gays were also put in the death camps. I read a book by a prisoner am not sure but I think it was called the pink tranangle for something like that. They had to wear a badge that was pink to show they were gay. It didn't matter if they were jews or not, they didn't care. When I look at this clip I see Hilter and his incitements of hate. The mormons are leading the charge. If you look at it and how ironic it is that these cultists support having more than one wife and dzs of children brides to care on the future. They send out the wives to collect money from the government to help raise their families. Where is the outrage from those people that support Pro 8? I have a lot of gay friends and they all make a good living and never ask for hand out. They mind their own business. Some go to church and some don't.
These people love "small government"
And by small they mean a government which subsidies their useless lives, protects their over weight lazy asses, and messes with other people's civil rights.
Pastor Martin Niemöller, who is the author of the famous quote:
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
I find this especially relevant given what Dacus is arguing for.
I can't believe this is happening in MY California.
I was driving through some really shitty parts of the state on Tuesday (Sun City, Perris, MoVal) and every other mini-van in front of me had a Yes on 8 sticker.
These people don't know what goodness is.
We have a had gay marraige on the books here in massachusetts for years, and the world didn't end..Well, perhaps local right wing world ended- Though right wing still dominates local talk radio, ours is a state where right wing filth do not hold the reigns of power, nor will they ever.
Didn't youse guys used to have that feller Mitt Romney as your governor?
Mittens was hated as governer, he won't be back.
We have gay marriage as law, and i'm damn proud of it-
Mittens tried to resurect a 1913 law written to block interracial marraiges as a way to block gay marriage- Mittens failed!
Equally liberal California has Arnold, and had Reagan as governer, so sometimes liberal states have republican governers..
These days we have Deval patrick, who i believe is the 2nd African American governer in US history- and he repealed that infamous 1913 law Mittens tried to use to oppress gays...
We have all the things right wingers hate- gay marriage, Ted Kennedy, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Harvard University and John Kerry- But screw the right wing- They are racist scum, who have no love of liberty.
wasn't St. Alzheimers a Democrat when he was governor? He also signed one of the first "pro-gay" pieces of legislation barring discrimination of gays with regards to housing.
My how the times changed (along with his diapers).
when he was governor. However, he was a Democrat and supported Truman and unions and all kinds of liberal "vices" until he married Nancy and Nancy's daddy sat him down and taught him the wages of capitalism.
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
..you really should provide the attribution to the authors - Rogers & Hammerstein....
Nice catch.
It doesn't matter who wrote it. It's so true. I am grateful to have had parents who taught me that people are all alike. No matter, where they come from. I have lived in many country and the united states and I have learned people are all the same.
Considering that gays were, proportionally, as persecuted and murdered by the Nazis as jews were, it's a pretty lousy analogy.
Considering Dacus' goals, attitude and intent towards gays, I'd say comparing defeating Prop 8 to defeating the Nazis is a better analogy.
Having to play to dickwads like Brad Docus and others of his ilk is why the GOP has been destroyed.
I do have empathy for centrist folks in the GOP, true fiscal conservatives with progressive compassion for all Americans. However, I don't have sympathy. They let their own desires for power and prestige overwhelm their core principles. It has cost them their Party and their souls.
He's tryin' to hypnotize those people! Just like Obama's doin'' also!
This guy again said, "The Time is Now!" also.....
(re: hypnotism article in comments from Mike's Blog)
brad dacus dis guy?
http://www.elleryqueenshow.com/dw-madhat.gif
I'm getting sleepy, sleepy.
which I'm certain they won't use:
Idiots. Homophobic idiots.
Anyone know if this guy is a closet gay?
I just have the feeling that he is protesting Too Much.
Often times, it seems that those who are really out there,
are also having personal problems with their own sexuality.
like that preacher dude in Colorado. What was his name? Ted Haggard?
Really? Ya think?
There is no doubt in my mind this guy is as queer as a three dollar bill.
Hey don't get pissed at me. Some of my best friends are gay... and black. lol
In case you were wondering, I was only joking here. I live in California and I have voted against this insane Prop.... 3 times. Hehe
When the struggle for Civil Rights was going on the same phases were used to stop that Bill from being pasted. Yes many used God's name to support their racism and even Hilter and other comments. All these religious groups are really spreading hate. God made all people and man has no right to judge. If only those who preach the word of God and the bible had just read the bible maybe just maybe all people would be treated equally. Please don't use the words I'll pray over it, even God must get sick of hearing that excuse.
...the bigots and their backwards ways were tossed to the side of the road back in the '60s. They opted out of voting at all, because they viewed the country as some hedonistic place completely out of touch with "real values". They simply decided no longer to participate in the process.
The GOP tapped this minority to put them over the top in elections. They divided the middle class with images of flags and promises of the wonders of the free market.
That strategy has now fallen apart...the middle class has bolted back to the Democrats...who the public now views as more in line with middle class economic desires...and the GOP is now stuck with the crazies that have taken over the party.
I'm gay. I like Madonna. Hilter liked murdering Jews and gay people in camps.
Obviously fair comparison.
Whether 8 passes or is defeated, equality for gays and lesbians is a battle we're going to keep fighting till we win. There's no turning back and no one is going back into the closet. Sorry right wing assholes. You lose anyway you cut it.
POLYGAMISTS ARE HOMOPHOBES AND RACISTS. I know because I used to be one.
What US city will vote 100% for John McCain?
COLORADO CITY, ARIZONA.
Why?
Because for 26 years John McCain's been SPREADING AMERICA'S WEALTH to polygamists in Colorado City, Arizona who practice tyranny over women and children and receive 25-30 million a year in taxpayer handouts.
How did John McCain's polygamists pay for the YFZ Ranch in Eldorado, Texas?
They bankrupted the Ephraim Bank in Colorado City which cost taxpayers 13 million.
BANKING ON HEAVEN . COM -- watch the video
http://www.bankingonheaven.com/
OBAMA '08
These religious nuts make me sick- all they can do is preach hatred of ones self, and of others...How are they any different from the radical muslims who preach hate?
... THEIR God is the one, TRUE God, and those other gods are FALSE.
Right?
Well the thing is Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all religion of the "Book" it all technically the same God.
But but fundamental hate mongers will turn against others of the own faith to increase tire own power. basicall Same breed, different name
...that one could make the argument that the reason the Nazis were defeated in WWII was because god was angry about Nazi persecution of gays.
But can they defeat Gay Hitler?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98
been with the same woman nearly 35 years. Still trying to understand how allowing homosexual people the full basic civil rights they constitutionally deserve impacts my life negatively one iota.
Actually, NOT allowing gay marriage hurts heterosexuals. Case in point: I have a live-in girlfriend. I'm a man. I want to get health insurance for her through my company. They offer same-sex domestic partner insurance where I work. But they don't offer heterosexual domestic partner insurance. Right now, heterosexual couples are being treated unfairly in Ohio because gay couples can't get married. The ONLY solution to make our society fair is to allow gay marriage so that we're treated equally.
It's not about some mythical "integrity of the family" crap. It's about hate and homophobia. Period. Fear is a defining characteristic of the religious right. They live off of it. I wish I lived in California so I could vote in this election.
"Fear is a defining characteristic of the
religiousright."Fixed.
Your girlfriend isn't Betty is it? Betty Winebox?
My dream-girl:
http://www.geocities.com/andysparkway/opie_au...
This picture is just too telling via A. Sullivan -
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/.shared...
The Klan would like nothing better than to have Obama in the White House. They think it's going to bring about a "race war". Sad. The Klan is telling it's members to vote for Obama. They think it'll be good for recruitment as well. I listened to NPR yesterday and they had a story on about it.
All I can say is, the jokes on them.
And don't forget that the Church of Latter Day Saints or the Mormons from Utah sent a shitload of people and money to California to try to pass this Proposition. Just remember that the Utah Mormons are as screwed up as this guy Dacus. And by extrapolation Mitt Romney is just like them. Never forget that!
So's Harry Reid.
Well then we should get Harry out of his position of power and replace him with Hillary. Dontcha think?
It be nice to have someone with balls
Even Ben-Wah.
That is used to hide one's own homosexuality.
he's a self hating closet case..
Oh god. why did you have to bring Savage into his. I'm going to get sick.
These so-called "Christians" don't honor the words of Christ. You rarely hear them quoting the New Testament.
They are "Old Testament" zealots...breathing fire and brimstone.
For Christ's sake these people are the most hypocritical hypocrites in the world. Just look at Sarah Palin and her claims about President Obama and socialism. She rants and rants and rants and behind her back she is handing out thousands of $$$$ to everybody in Alaska. I could go on for pages and pages with examples of their hypocrisy. So could you. It is so insane I cannot cope. Help me Jesus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvE65VOcAL0
Prop 8 Spokesman Says Defeating Gays is Like Defeating Hitler
Hmmm...
Musta been part of the Straight-Talk Express.
It is likely this idiot meant Father Neimoller. Of course, this idiot conveniently forgets what else Neimoller said.
"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
is that "teh gays" will bomb Germany?
Saying teh is like SOOO gay.
Will the cowardly Log Cabin gay Republicans still be apologists for the Republican party, or will they finally admit that the Republican party is little more than a hate group?
I wonder if they would condemn the compasrison of gays to hitler, or if once again they would make excuses and be apologists
I drew this a while ago, it seems appropriate now.
http://vorhese.com/illustrations/68_full.jpg
Are Democrats socialists? Commies? Fags? Elitist?
Yes, and proud of it!!
Are scared little children. I'm ashamed of my fellow Californians.
...they have their own Caucus within the GOP, don't they?
A question that people like Brad Dacus need to be asked:
Why is the Republican party attractive to neo-Nazis/skinheads/white supremacists/etc.?
Praise Jeeesus!
We need a better education system in this country.
"Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past... (few) years."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872
"A Volkisch state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2
Indeed, who could possibly forget the constant efforts on the part of Hitler for equal rights. When you look back in history, you cannot possibly overlook the role that Hitler played in the civil rights movements that have changed the world.
It always amazes me that people who make these bizarre arguments do so using religion as their theme while they knowingly and purposely lie to people. There is no better source than the liars for Jesus.
Like Eusebius?
Same old cattle prod, came old cattle. Sadly, only the dates have changed not our collective wisdom.
To support their master-overlords in Corporate Amerika.
... to trivialize the deaths of the 50+ million of people who died in WWII.
I am sure those people who fought in Omaha Beach will surely appreciate how voting for screwing other people's civil rights and facing nazi machine guns are about the same thing.
For a minute there I thought you said Obama Beach.
Truly disgusting. And they don't even get how ridiculous and backward they are. These "church" people who think they're better than everyone else. They've got ten rules and a hundred thousand reasons why it's ok for them to break them every day.
If I was an alien observing from space I would quarantine this sad little rock for fear the chronic stupidity might escape into the cosmos.
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R E M E M B E R:
Hitler killed gays...
... I suppose that made it O.K. then?
.
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When Christians practice hate...
... How is that representative of Christ?
When Christians practice intolerance...
... How is that representative of Christ?
When Christians practice conditional love...
... How is that representative of Christ?
When Christians practice throwing stones...
... How is that representative of Christ?
When Christians practice judging others...
... How are they representing Christ?
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Considering that Dacus and Hitler shared the same opinion of GLBTQs, the irony is flowing as thick as the hate.
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http://www.noonprop8.com/
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I guess he's unaware or unconcerned that the pink triangle symbol came from Hitler's armbands for gays in the concentration camps. This attempted extermination, no doubt, was also done by Hitler "for the German soul."
when they left it to an Austrian for caretaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzFTxtg0j2o
Just another of the wise rules of conduct being ignored by the followers of the most arddent supporter of those rules, Jesus.
The Golden Rule - does it takes a non-believer to grasp the meaning of it?
And here I thought it was baring falsies...
Look out sarah, divine retribution coming fer ya!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHCJA092Tc
These churches/organizations need to start losing their tax-exempt status.
Or as my sky fairy prefers: "RAmen!"
Bob eats Ramen noodles for lunch.
might have also meant Reinhold Neibuhr. But with someone this stupid he could have meant anyone from Hank Aaron to Mary Queen of Scots.
Reinhold Neibuhr was teaching in American during World War II.
It is far more likely a reference to Martin Niemoller, whose own relationship with Hitler is the subject of some controversy - Niemoller opposed some of Hitler's views, but not others.
Dacus clearly says "Reverend Niemoller." Both Martin Niemöller and Dietrich Bonhoeffer were leaders of the "Confessing Church" which opposed Hitler, so it could have been either of them. I have no idea whether the historical citation is correct, but Dacus is still a bigot.
How about Harry Queen of Queens?
.. teh gays are gonna start bombing churches?
Goin for broke now...
is being spent on putting what is essentially the definition of a word into 3 state constitutions --- Arizona 's got a repeater proposition this year--- we have already voted on this a few years ago--- we voted "NO" as a State.
I wonder if next year we will vote on inserting the whole dictionary into the constitution? ;)
As for the people in this crowd, I can't remember seeing a group of more fearful people ... unless you count a recent John McCain Rally.
They'll keep trying as long as they can gather signatures.
California Proposition 4, I think, is the same 'gotta tell the folks about Jenny's abortion' baloney that the voters turned down last election.
Funny how when it's their pet issue, respecting the will of the voters doesn't get the time of day.
The more they talk, the more they reveal what kind of people they really are. Hate-mongers.
Vote No on Prop H8!
Prop 8 Spokesman Says Defeating Gays is Like Defeating Hitler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iH1GhM2j8
The magical being crowd wanted to send Tom straight to hell for this song.
First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
Do whatever steps you want if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.
Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional.
There the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!
So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect,
And genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!
Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman;
Ave Maria,
Gee, it's good to see ya.
Gettin' ecstatic an' sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican
Rag! Tom Lehrer.
Genuflect:kiss the boots of hatefull,unforgiving,terrorist group in the name of a magical being.-CEO,citizens,eyes,open
after his speech mr. dacus went home and had a four way with larry craig, ted haggad and mark foley. typical repugnican attitude is to publicly bash what they are secretly a part of.
Hitler was anti-gay. Sort of like you.
The Dodds Corollary, an extension of Godwin's Law, states:
"When debating a particular subject, if a comparison or implied connection is drawn between the opponent's argument and Hitler and the Nazi Party, the maker of that statement is automatically discredited and the debate is automatically lost by the person or group who referenced the connection to Hitler or the Nazis."
No on 8 for the WIN!!! :D :D :D
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