Dear President Obama: More of this, please
The Barack Obama who showed up in Milwaukee today is the one I remember from 2008 who seemed to disappear over the past year or so. If he keeps this tone between now and November, I'll bet on the press narrative changing from "Dems are hosed" to something far more positive. With a mix of humor, sarcasm and a generous dose of fire, Obama put Republicans on notice: Their days of obstruction are numbered.
I was struck by how different he is when he has a crowd. It was clear they were completely with him and he with them. If I were in charge of White House communications, I'd lose the prepared speeches in front of the Oval Office and make every camera opportunity one with people, because it's clearly where he's most comfortable and at home. It also plays well in the sound bite arena.
I loved this small personal dig at the CEOs and Republicans who think free speech means slander and libel. From his prepared remarks:
Milwaukee, that’s what we’re going to do again. That’s what’s been at the heart of all our efforts: building our economy on a new foundation so that our middle class doesn’t just survive this crisis – but thrives once we emerge. And over the last two years, that’s meant taking on some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for too long.
And then he jumped off the script for this:
You know who they are. They talk about me like I'm a dog.
Right back on script again:
That’s why we passed financial reform that provides new accountability and tough oversight of Wall Street; reform that will stop credit card companies from gouging you with hidden fees and unfair rate hikes; reform that ends the era of taxpayer bailouts for Wall Street once and for all.
This is what fired everyone up in 2008 -- his passion. Only this time, he's using the last two years of Republicans' obstructionist ways to zing it up and fire up the base. Let's see if it continues. The full text of his prepared remarks follow, but I really recommend just watching him. There are more than a few moments worth the time.
Hello, Milwaukee! Thank you to the Milwaukee Area Labor Council and to all of my brothers and sisters in the AFL-CIO for inviting me to spend this day with you – a day that belongs to the working men and women of America.
I want to acknowledge your outstanding national president, a man who knows that a strong economy needs a strong labor movement: Rich Trumka; Dave Newby, president of the Wisconsin AFL-CIO; and our host, your Milwaukee Area Labor Council Secretary-Treasurer, Sheila Cochran, who I hear has a birthday tomorrow. I’m proud to be here with our Secretary of Labor, a daughter of union members, Hilda Solis; and our Secretary of Transportation, Ray LaHood. And let’s hear it for the folks at the forefront of every fight for Wisconsin’s working men and women – Senator Herb Kohl; Congresswoman Gwen Moore; and your outstanding mayor, Tom Barrett. Your other great senator, Russ Feingold, was here with you earlier, standing with you and your families just like he always has, but he had to head to his hometown of Janesville to participate in their Labor Day parade.
So it is good to be back in Milwaukee. Of course, this isn’t my first time at Laborfest. I stood right here with you two years ago, when I was still a candidate for this office. During that campaign, we talked about how, for years, the values of hard work and responsibility that built this country had been given short shrift, and how that was slowly hollowing out our middle class. About how some on Wall Street took reckless risks and cut corners to turn huge profits, while working Americans were fighting harder and harder just to stay afloat. And about how the decks were too often stacked in favor of the special interests and against working Americans.
What we knew, even then, was that these years would be some of the most difficult in our history. And then, two weeks later, the bottom fell out of the economy. Middle-class families suddenly found themselves swept up in the worst recession in our lifetimes.
So the problems facing working families are nothing new. But they are more serious than ever. And that makes our cause more urgent than ever. For generations, it was the great American middle class that made our economy the envy of the world. It’s got to be that way again.
It was folks like you, after all, who forged that middle class. It was working men and women who made the twentieth century the American century. It was the labor movement that helped secure so much of what we take for granted today – the 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, family leave, health insurance, Social Security, Medicare, retirement plans, those cornerstones of middle class security that all bear the union label.
And it was that greatest of generations that built America into the greatest force for prosperity, opportunity and freedom the world has ever known. Americans like my grandfather, who went off to war just boys, returned home men, and traded one uniform and set of responsibilities for another. Americans like my grandmother, who rolled up their sleeves and worked in factories on the home front. When the war was over, they studied under the GI Bill; bought homes under the FHA; raised families buttressed by good jobs that paid good wages with good benefits.
It was through my grandparents’ experience that I was brought up to believe that anything is possible in America. But they also knew the feeling when that opportunity is pulled out from under you. They would tell me about seeing their fathers or uncles losing jobs during the depression; how it wasn’t just the loss of a paycheck that stung. It was the blow to their dignity; their sense of self-worth. I’ll bet a lot of us have seen people changed after a long bout of unemployment; how it can wear down even the strongest spirits.
So my grandparents taught me early on that a job is about more than a paycheck, as important as that is. A job is about waking up every day with a sense of purpose, and going to bed each night fulfilled. A job is about meeting your responsibilities to yourself, to your family, to your community. I carried that lesson with me all those years ago when I got my start fighting for men and women on the South Side of Chicago after their local steel plant shut down. I carried that lesson with me through my time as a state senator and a U.S. Senator. I carry that lesson with me today.
And I know that there are folks right here in Milwaukee and all across America who are going through these kinds of struggles. Eight million Americans lost their jobs in this recession. And while we’ve had eight straight months of private sector job growth, the new jobs haven’t been coming fast enough. Now, the plain truth is, there’s no silver bullet or quick fix to the problem. Even when I was running for this office, we knew it would take time to reverse the damage of a decade’s worth of policies that saw a few folks prosper while the middle class kept falling behind – and it will take more time than any of us wants to dig out of the hole created by this economic crisis.
But on this Labor Day, there are two things I want you to know, Milwaukee. Number one: I’m going to keep fighting, every single day, to turn this economy around; to put our people back to work; to renew the American Dream for your families and for future generations.
Number two – and this I believe with every fiber of my being: America cannot have a strong, growing economy without a strong, growing middle class, and the chance for everybody, no matter how humble their beginnings, to join that middle class. A middle class built on the idea that if you work hard and live up to your responsibilities, you can get ahead – and enjoy some basic guarantees in life. A good job that pays a good wage. Health care that’ll be there when you get sick. A secure retirement even if you’re not rich. An education that’ll give our kids a better life than we had. These are simple ideas. American ideas.
I was thinking about this last week. On the day I announced the end to our combat mission in Iraq, I spent some time, as I often do, with our soldiers and veterans. This new generation of troops coming home from Iraq has earned its place alongside that greatest generation. Like them, they have the skills and training and drive to move America’s economy forward once more. And from the time I took office, we’ve been investing in new care, new opportunity, and a new commitment to their service that’s worthy of their sacrifice. But they’re coming home to an economy hit by recession deeper than any we’ve seen. And the question is, how do we create the same kind of middle class opportunity my grandparents’ generation came home to? How do we build our economy on the same kind of strong, stable foundation for growth?
Well, anyone who thinks we can move this economy forward with a few doing well at the top, hoping it’ll trickle down to working folks running faster and faster just to keep up – they just haven’t studied our history. We didn’t become the most prosperous country in the world by rewarding greed and recklessness. We didn’t come this far by letting special interests run wild. We didn’t do it by just gambling and chasing paper profits on Wall Street. We did it by producing goods we could sell; we did it with sweat and effort and innovation. We did it by investing in the people who built this country from the ground up – workers, and middle-class families, and small business owners. We did it by out-working, out-educating, and out-competing everyone else.
Milwaukee, that’s what we’re going to do again. That’s what’s been at the heart of all our efforts: building our economy on a new foundation so that our middle class doesn’t just survive this crisis – but thrives once we emerge. And over the last two years, that’s meant taking on some powerful interests who had been dominating the agenda in Washington for too long.
That’s why we passed financial reform that provides new accountability and tough oversight of Wall Street; reform that will stop credit card companies from gouging you with hidden fees and unfair rate hikes; reform that ends the era of taxpayer bailouts for Wall Street once and for all.
That’s why we eliminated tens of billions of dollars in wasteful taxpayer subsidies to big banks that provide student loans. We’re using those savings to put a college education within reach for working families.
That’s why we passed health insurance reform that will make coverage affordable; reform that ends the indignity of insurance companies jacking up your premiums at will or denying you coverage just because you get sick; reform that shifts control from them to you.
That’s why we’re making it easier for workers to save for retirement, with new ways of saving your tax refunds, a simpler system for enrolling in plans like 401(k)s, and fighting to strengthen Social Security for the future. And to those who may still run for office planning to privatize Social Security, let me be clear: as long as I’m President, I’ll fight every effort to take the retirement savings of a generation of Americans and hand it over to Wall Street. Not on my watch.
That’s why we’ve given tax cuts to small business owners. Tax cuts to clean energy companies. A tax cut to 95 percent of working Americans, just like I promised you on the campaign. And instead of giving tax breaks to corporations to create jobs overseas, we’re cutting taxes for companies that put our people to work here at home.
That’s why we’re investing in growth industries like clean energy and manufacturing. And you’ve got leaders here like Tom Barrett and Jim Doyle who have been fighting to bring those jobs to Milwaukee and to Wisconsin. Because we want to see the solar panels and wind turbines and electric cars of tomorrow manufactured here. We don’t just want to buy stuff made elsewhere; we want to grow our exports so the world buys products that say “Made in America.”
Because there are no better workers than American workers, and I’ll place my bet on you any day of the week. When the naysayers said we should just let the American auto industry vanish and take hundreds of thousands of jobs down with it, we said we’d stand by them if they made the tough choices necessary to compete once again – and today, that industry is on the way back.
Now, another thing we’ve done is make sound and long-overdue investments in upgrading our outdated and inefficient national infrastructure. We’re not just talking new roads, bridges, dams and levees; but also a smart electric grid and the broadband internet and high-speed rail lines required to compete in the 21st century economy. We’re talking investments in tomorrow that are creating hundreds of thousands of private sector jobs today.
It was because of these investments, and the tens of thousands of projects they spurred all over the country, that the battered construction sector actually grew last month for the first time in a long time. Still, nearly one in five construction workers are unemployed. And it doesn’t do anybody any good when so many American workers have been idled for months, even years, at a time when there is so much of America to rebuild.
That’s why, today, I am announcing a new plan for rebuilding and modernizing America’s roads, rails and runways for the long-term.
Over the next six years, we are going to rebuild 150,000 miles of our roads – enough to circle the world six times. We’re going to lay and maintain 4,000 miles of our railways – enough to stretch coast-to-coast. We’re going to restore 150 miles of runways and advance a next generation air-traffic control system to reduce travel time and delays for American travelers – something I think folks across the political spectrum could agree on.
This is a plan that will be fully paid for and will not add to the deficit over time – we’re going to work with Congress to see to that. It sets up an Infrastructure Bank to leverage federal dollars and focus on the smartest investments. It will continue our strategy to build a national high-speed rail network that reduces congestion, travel times, and harmful emissions. It will cut waste and bureaucracy by consolidating and collapsing more than 100 different, often duplicative programs. And it will change the way Washington spends your tax dollars; reforming the haphazard and patchwork way we fund and maintain our infrastructure to focus less on wasteful earmarks and outdated formulas, and more on competition and innovation that gives us the best bang for the buck.
All of this will not only create jobs now, but will make our economy run better over the long haul. It’s a plan that history tells us can and should attract bipartisan support. It’s a plan that says even in the still-smoldering aftermath of the worst recession in our lifetimes, America can act to shape our own destiny, to move this country forward, to leave our children something better – something lasting.
So these are the things we’ve been working for. These are some of the victories that you helped us achieve. And we’re not done. We’ve got a lot more progress to make. And I believe we will.
But there are some folks in Washington who see things differently. When it comes to just about everything we’ve done to strengthen the middle class and rebuild our economy, almost every Republican in Congress said no. Even where we usually agree, they say no. They think it’s better to score political points before an election than actually solve problems. So they said no to help for small businesses. No to middle-class tax cuts. No to unemployment insurance. No to clean energy jobs. No to making college affordable. No to reforming Wall Street. Even as we speak, these guys are saying no to cutting more taxes for small business owners. I mean, come on! Remember when our campaign slogan was “Yes We Can?” These guys are running on “No, We Can’t,” and proud of it. Really inspiring, huh?
To steal a line from our old friend, Ted Kennedy: what is it about working men and women that they find so offensive?
When we passed a bill earlier this summer to help states save the jobs of hundreds of thousands of teachers, nurses, police officers and firefighters that were about to be laid off, they said “no” to that, too. In fact, the Republican who’s already planning to take over as Speaker of the House dismissed them as “government jobs” that weren’t worth saving. Not worth saving? These are the people who teach our kids. Who keep our streets safe. Who put their lives on the line for our own. I don’t know about you, but I think those jobs are worth saving.
We made sure that bill wouldn’t add to the deficit, either. We paid for it by finally closing a ridiculous tax loophole that actually rewarded corporations for shipping jobs and profits overseas. It let them write off the taxes they pay foreign governments – even when they don’t pay taxes here. How do you like that – middle class families footing tax breaks for corporations that create jobs somewhere else! Even a lot of America’s biggest corporations agreed the loophole should be closed, that it wasn’t fair – but the man with the plan to be Speaker is already aiming to open it up again.
Bottom line is, these guys refuse to give up on the economic philosophy they peddled for most of the last decade. You know that philosophy: you cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires; you cut rules for special interests; you cut working folks like you loose to fend for yourselves. They called it the ownership society. What it really boiled down to was: if you couldn’t find a job, or afford college, or got dropped by your insurance company – you’re on your own.
Well, that philosophy didn’t work out so well for working folks. It didn’t work out so well for our country. All it did was rack up record deficits and result in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
I’m not bringing this up to re-litigate the past; I’m bringing it up because I don’t want to re-live the past. It would be one thing if Republicans in Washington had new ideas or policies to offer; if they said, you know, we’ve learned from our mistakes. We’ll do things differently this time. But that’s not what they’re doing. When the leader of their campaign committee was asked on national television what Republicans would do if they took over Congress, he actually said they’d follow “the exact same agenda” as they did before I took office. The exact same agenda.
So basically, they’re betting that between now and November, you’ll come down with a case of amnesia. They think you’ll forget what their agenda did to this country. They think you’ll just believe that they’ve changed. These are the folks whose policies helped devastate our middle class and drive our economy into a ditch. And now they’re asking you for the keys back.
Do you want to give them the keys back? Me neither. And do you know why? Because they don’t know how to drive! At a time when we’re just getting out of the ditch, they’d pop it in reverse, let the special interests ride shotgun, and hit the gas, careening right back into that ditch.
Well, I refuse to go backwards, Milwaukee. And that’s the choice America faces this fall. Do we go back to the policies of the past? Or do we move forward? I say we move forward. America always moves forward. And we are going to keep moving forward today.
Let me just close by saying this. I know these are difficult times. I know folks are worried, and there’s still a lot of hurt out here. I hear about it when I spend time in towns like this; I read about it in your letters at night. And when times are tough, it can be easy to give in to cynicism and fear; doubt and division – to set our sights lower and settle for something less.
But that is not who we are. That is not the country I know. We do not give up. We do not quit. We are a people that faced down war and depression; great challenges and great threats; and lit the way for the rest of the world. Whenever times have seemed at their worst, Americans have been at their best. Because it is in those times when we roll up our sleeves and remember that we will rise or fall together – as one nation, and one people. That’s the spirit that started the labor movement. The idea that alone, we are weak. Divided, we fall. But united, we are strong. That’s why we call them unions. That’s why we call this the United States of America.
Milwaukee, that’s the case I am going to make across the country this fall – yours. And I am asking for your help. If you are willing to join me, and Tom Barrett, and Gwen Moore, and Russ Feingold, we can strengthen our middle class and make our economy work for working Americans again. We can restore the American Dream and deliver it safely to our children. That’s how we built the last American century. That’s how we’ll build the next. We don’t believe in the words “No, we can’t.” We are Americans, and in times of great challenge, we push forward with an unyielding faith that we can. Yes, we can. Thank you, God Bless You and the work you do, and God Bless the United States of America.



Please, President Obama, let 99% of the voters know that the Democrats are going to help the middle class, and that the Republicans have no such plans.
Don't stop stumping until after November.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
This also shows up the teabaggers and their phony-baloney rallies, that they are not the people.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
From TheUpTake:
Obama Gives Barn Burner In Milwaukee - Full Video (39 min 63 sec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfimPc8NUp8
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
This is to Karoli:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfi8fT9oHkQ&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Thanks for thinkin' of me. :D
This is how we are going to win the election and move this country permanently in a progressive direction. Especially if he can get the policies to match the spirit of his speech. Let's help accomplish this.
Enough of the PNAC Neo-Con Shit Bags.
And bring Howard Dean back as DNC Chair.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
It's hard to get behind him when he's caved into pretty much every republican demand, spends more time praising republicans and working with them than the "professional left."
I know. But the alternative is worse. We need to keep electing more and more progressives into office for the long term changes we are all seeking to occur.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
I wish more people would say this. The answer isn't to turn congress over to the party of no ideas. Keep electing democrats, the change will come.
The change is going to come.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
...to at least some extent, I think one of my Rules For Dating could apply equally well to politicians. That rule is...
Never (never never never never...did I say never?) allow yourself to live in the future to the point that you lose sight of the present.
Unfortunately, all too often, the people who promise you castles in the air always have some reason why that beautiful castle can't become a reality just yet. They ask you to be patient and promise you that it will happen...but at least as often as not, the only thing you get from being patient with people like this is another candle or two (or three or four or...) on your birthday cake. It's okay to build yourself a "castle in the air" and think about how wonderful it could be -- but you're just asking for trouble if you try to live there.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Good point. For both subjects! :)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Good to see Obama laughing again.
I just hope the next time he points out that John Boehner, who is in such a snit about 'government jobs' having such little value has... **a government job!!**.
I would love to see this nation laugh about Republican hypocrisy from now to November. And then elect so many progressives that even the BlueDogs get a clue.
... but dems have to realize that they won't get the votes they got in 2008 because they've been too busy appeasing republicans (who turn around and kick them further down). I know who not to vote for, but that's not the way to win elections.
You know fucking well that Angry Grandpa and the dumb bitch would have had all of us crossing the border to Mexico. Obama is still the most capable person this Nation has to clean up this enormous stack of shit the Republicans left. The President was given a four year contract by the American people...give him a chance to finish...and please take the extraordinary levels of obstruction(including traitorous Democrats) and racist distractions he deals with everyday.
Explain to everyone why he has not appointed Elizabeth Warren yet. Should be easy enough, duh.
With such a colossal shit pile left for this man and the unprecedented level of obstruction he faces daily, I'm surprised that he'd wan to run in 2012.
Btw, there will always something Obama hasn't done yet. People like you have zero ability to conceptualize how much worse things could have been without this man.
he had no trouble appointing eleven members of the Trilateral Commission to top-level and key positions in his administration within his first ten days in office.
to serve until 2012?
he purportedly "caved into" came from members of the Democratic caucus.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Ahh, and they are full of DINOs, right?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Democratic caucus you have now.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Muslims would just agree to worship so place else. Sorry but, Dean will have to do a lot more to clean up the shit he left behind with that one!
Howard is now being quoted by Republican strategists and so is Reid. They deserve some scorn too!
Obama from 2008 gave good speeches, just not loud enough.
it is a con job to look tough to get votes for nov.
he got cha good.
how many times will americans fall for this kind of stuff.
it works generation after generation.
we have do nothing congress in wash term after term after term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI&fe...
carlin says it all.
The marvel of history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments.
- William E. Borah (1865-1940)Speech in the U.S. Senate
ok not all. :-)
the marvel of history is how many times the voters can be fooled by their pollticians.
I mean we have the tea baggers working for corp america.
and we have demo voters thinking the demo politicans represent them.
follow the money always follow the money.
one finally has to admit that american voters are the most ignorant in the world.
The democrats are more or less forced to play the anticompetitive game pioneered by the republicans. How you fail to make a distinction between them only shows how cynical you have become. The republicans represent the top 1% of the population who hate democracy. The democrats, for now, are your only hope. You are playing right into their cynical strategy to have you paint both parties as the same. American voters are dumb because republicans lie and mislead.
The democrats, for now, are your only hope con job cynic.
Unless you are a billionaire you have been sucked in by Republican elite snake oil gangsters.
I'd suggest that FOX Theatre owns you. How does it feel 'con job'? Oh. the irony.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I mean damn I'm re-invigorated listening to that. And I'm about as down and out on this stuff as anyone can be. Karoli is exactly right.. We need more of this.!!! We need to get this country back from the corporations who are ruining it. Back for the progressives and workers and every man.
Let's do this. Get active in your communities. Write that letter to the editor you were thinking about. Put up a sign. Vote. All that. Peace.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt
actions to follow.........I hope.
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
I'm at minute 4 so far, and this is the Obama I like!!!!! Please be here to stay. Trash the party of NO.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
...I really don't want to burst your bubble, but I've learned the hard way that TALK IS CHEAP. As I often have to remind people, when there's a disconnect between the words and the actions -- as there so often has been with Obama over the past year-plus -- a smart person knows that more often than not, it's the actions and not the words which reflect the real situation. Speeches are all well and good, and I know that it's much easier to talk about putting a bell on the cat than it is to actually do it...but all fairness, Obama has already given a few speeches in the course of his tenure so far in which he's talked tough but failed to deliver. In short...I'll believe it when I see Obama rolling up his sleeves and really doing something about the problem, but not until then.
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
You nailed it. Well put.
Don't forget the bully-pulpit.
Every time ray gun found a program of his in trouble in Congress he'd go over their heads to the public to increase public demand, and it worked repeatedly.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Trickle down economics
'We, the People'............rimshot................hahahahahaha!
First he/we have to make sure the Republicans don't gain a shitload of seats in the mid-term elections, and this kind of talk is needed. Remind Americans who steals their bread and butter.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
...Obama wouldn't need to worry about the Republicans gaining seats in Congress now if he'd been making more of an effort to put his money where his mouth is, "walk the talk", and be the person he was when he was running for office!
Never trust anyone who insists that patriotism requires you to blindfold yourself with the flag.
just how was he supposed to do that? I'm all for progressives but, exactly how should he have gotten around this bullshit rule? See Harry Reid! I get really tired of folks pretending that he can simply wave a magic wand and pass legislation. It's a fantasy. If Reid had simply changed the filibuster rule at the beginning of the current session, they could have gotten a lot more progressive legislation passed. I know it's in vogue to blame Obama for everything but, I assumed that was only coming from low informatiion voters!
Agreed.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Because he did.
True. Firstly, I'm not American, so... And what you say is true, but it's better he be out stumping like this now than let the Republicans take both houses. Americans need to hear this kind of stuff from President Obama-- the leader of the nation.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
But he's sounded nice before. If this talk can be followed up by an actual attempt to act upon it, not fake attempts designed to shut us all up while he sells us all down the river (see public option for healthcare), this would be great. Why do I have my doubts?
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Well, let's push through this $50 Billion Infrastructure Plan.
That's an impressive start.
The Republicans will obstruct any ideas, especially real good ideas like this one, so we'll see if they can screw us all on this one too, but that will be the Republican's fault, not the presidents'.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
is 1000 million? $50 billion is chickenfeed when we have a $12 trillion problem.
Keep exposing the total nightmare we've been through...and the one that's coming...with Republicans running things. Obama may not be perfect, and he's made some mistakes...but only FDR had as tough a situation to work through. I can't think of anybody else besides Obama that could do this. Our enemies truly belive Sarah Palin could fix America. We can't let these morons take our country back.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk&NR=1
"He can't even read from the script - he was way off from the script "
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
Words are just words. The slide to plutocracy continues unabated. None of the legislation passed so far will come even close to stopping it in any meaningful way.
True, but we need balance. The rich elite are not our enemies. Politicians that prey on middle class people who would want to be rich and elite are. Republicans lie about the tax brackets for this purpose.
You only lie when you have to, and the Republicans have to. ;)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Who do you think own the corporations?
But through their bought and paid for politicians, they are crying "class war". So, maybe they are our enemies. They certainly aren't our friends.
...what Repukes have done and will continue to do to this Nation. Perhaps you'd prefer listening to McPlacate and that stupid bitch from frozen Alabama.
Oh and BTW, fuck you 30 minute troll.
are getting hot under the collar. Lookout.
Like you said. He hit some kind of nerve, and i'm liking it! :)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I have a suggestion on what you can do with them. It's likely to be as painful as November will be for the toothless banjo player crowd!
that instead of 'No we can't'...he use "no we WON'T" ..........
Same Old Hack.
Talkin' to the rubes again.
And calling an entire block of Progressive voters rubes...brilliant.
preferred term of the White House is "fucking retards"
And unless you can provide proof that the phrase "fucking retards" originated from the President, you're simply another pointless off topic distraction.
Who didn't fire him yet?
good point. The fact of the matter Barry is stuck with him. Now I'm using excuses.
Really, I'd like to know. What pregressive cause has helped so much? Health care was a corporate giveaway, financial reform didn't do anything to change the game in any meaningful way. Obama's strategy from the getgo has been to throw away progressive anything, and start from the center-right. "The other guys are so much worse" doesn't wash with me. They are nearly the same and nothing I would support as a committed lefty.
If the reThuglicans win in November you'll see first hand just how different they really are, and it will be too late.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
religious upbringing, where Very Scary Things would occur, and Very Bad Things would happen to me if I didn't believe and submit to the magical sky fairy.
I will still be voting in November, but when it comes to national races, I'll probably choose 3rd party, as usual. And it won't affect a thing in terms of Dems' winning or losing.
Come out from under your rock.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
fear.
insult.
rinse.
repeat.
got it.
Look, we're not dealing with an invisible deity here.
there's a tangible difference.
What exactly are you suggesting we do here?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
that you are suggesting we "believe" in something that's not there.
Dems will never advocate progressive ideas until they realize that without progressive support, they lose elections. Rewarding bad behavior with votes is no way to affect change. It's already going to get worse before it might) get better, so send the Dems a message.
Are you suggesting we reward the gop for their blockaide of every single piece of legislation that has passed the house?
Because, that is exactly what you will be doing.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
the longer you reward the dems for not representing you (or me as the case is here), the harder it will be to get them to listen. Gotta draw a line somewhere and it's time.
If you shoot yourself in the foot, they'll start pissin' rainbows!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
When they representing labor and the middle-class in general, I'll get back on their boat. But as long as their motto is: We'll only fuck you half as hard as the Republicans..." No thanks.
No it's not. It's about not voting for those who constantly, and cynically, violate our trust because they want power and wealth for themselves more than they want to do the right thing for you and I.
As long as you reward the Democrat's Quisling ways, the Republicans will always win because the Democrats will not have any incentive to stand up.
Until there are costs for compliance (like the whole war on terror and the two idiotic wars we're in) with Republican policies, the Democrats will comply. They've shown it time and time again -- the willingness to become craven, spineless toadies if only to survive one-more-term.
With Dems like that, who need Republicans?
And in the mean time, while we 'punish' the Democrats, won't the Republicans rape us all?
Am i missing something here?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
ole' same 'ole "but THEY'RE WORSE" argument. It doesn't sell.
Now is the time. Right. After the last administration, you think the time is now to make your point?
And this new batch of GOp'rs make Boosh look kinda sane.
Because this new batch is feckin completely insane.
Yeah, perfect timing to take a stand and make a point.
Sure, lets just hand the power right back to them. Excellent idea.
I'm not selling anything. Do what you want. Just don't say no one warned you.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Dems are offering nothing that will make any difference over the next 2 years. Mid-terms are better than in 2012. If Republicans gain some power and follow through on their threats, they will make things worse, and that will cause a blow back. The idiots holding their tea bags won't get it until it gets a lot worse. If we want populism on the left side they have ot see what the right is actually doing to them.
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What is your conceptual, continuity?
Getting raped by the Republicans is not the "same 'ol"
I don't think your position will help, even in the long run fin13, if that is what you're thinking. It's good to know you are a Democrat though. You just need a better way to be one.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
the difference is that we've actually got evidence for how nutty things will be with republicans in power (see Arizona, VA attorney general, etc.)
got a list of excuses for their messiah starting with, if I remember correctly, "he has only been in office a short time". Then it was "at least he is better than Bush". Now its "he needs our support" and "he has a lot on his plate". Again I ask, what is the holdup in appointing Elizabeth Warren. He sure has been busy thrashing our liberty and freedom by gutting The Constitution worst than Shrub. Now he is approving assassinations of American citizens. What's with this moron, he takes care of Wall St., now we the people he comes calling to for support again in the next round of elections. Up yours Barry.
It's the Republican obstruction. Take a look. Nothing wrong with president 'Barry'.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
don't let the facts get in the way of your bullshit narrative. You baggers will get your ass's handed to you again in November because your party is full of idiots who have already proven that they don't know a damn thing about governing. They've fucked up this country again and won't get near a majority! We outnumbered you morons in 2008 and we still do. Fucking idiots! You're less than 20% of the electorate. Do the math. We're going to crush you dumb fucks again!
without pathetic excuses what happened to Dawn Johnsen's appointment to be head of Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel. Barry left her hanging in the wind.
Sounds like your heart is in the right place Steve, but you've become bitter. All i can say is we're all disappointed, but never more than with the Republicans.
The 'United' States government was designed such that no single branch can go it alone. Bush tried it, and we are still suffering.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I agree with Rahm on that one. It certainly isn't an entire block of Dem voters. It's actually a select few. A minority in the Dem party.
Corporate give away? Hey, if you haven't noticed, those banks have paid back that money with the govt making a profit save one at this time.
Auto manufactures? Same.
Health care? 30 million people getting more hc ain't bad. Plus, if they can't afford it, the govt will help with a subside..
Financial reform. Had you been paying closer attention, you would have seen that there has been a significant reform. But yes, there needs to be more.
As for the "Fucking retards" comment from Rahm. I'd say he chose his words unwisely.
He could have placed a stupid in the front. Because, obviously, there are some on the left who fit this bill.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Good points.
I think there is a lot more to do, but a lot has been done already.
The Health care plan is a disappointment but i understand it will be a incremental change with more to come.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Stupid is inherent in the word "retard." I think I know what Rahm meant. We have "Kick Me" signs on our backs, and we know that they are there. No one ever gives away power, it must be taken. To stand around waiting for a bunch of weasels and vultures to finally recognize the wisdom of our beliefs is asinine. It will never happen.
Go back to your Fox "News" Propaganda Channel. They like people like you.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper
And who of us can ever forget:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqj6OXQnnaE
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Feeling disillusioned are we Mayville?
Don't.
You just haven't been paying due attention to the viciousness and desperateness of ReThuglican obstruction.
If you want to help, help by removing Republicans from office. You'll feel better and we all will benefit.
Sorry - this was meant as reply to bayville...
FOX Theatre obviously owns fin13 completely.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Not only do I not watch FOX, I don't watch TV. Try again.
More empty rhetoric from the owned (that would be you ape), oh and look, more insults, truly a sign of those who have nothing to say.
Just trying to enlighten you, and understand is all. no offence.
It is the 'united' states after all, isn't it.
I've seen good friends become bitter, divided, and irrational from watching FOX Theatre. Don't underestimate their power.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
enlightenment can come from someone so clearly blinded by their loyalties to a particular party. Neither party is here to represent you, sorry. Maybe with enough pain, we could get primary challenges to work from the left,but I sincerely doubt change from the inside will happen in the Democratic party.
Take a look at the Republicans, a good hard look, and get back to us.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"the other guys are SO much worse!"
rinse.
repeat.
ZZZZzzz.....
Republicans are also liars.
That is an important one.
Would you hire a liar to your firm? Why then to your government.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
"republicans are worse" is not enough. Dems need to earn my vote, and they haven't.
OK. Good enough for now then.
If they could do only one thing to earn your vote, what would that be?
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
they've had almost 2 years of a chance,it's too late.
...NOW!
Goddammit, Santa, he earned it when he sat on your lap! I mean, if he hadn't sat on your lap, he wouldn't have earned it, right? Because everyone knows that's how the politics works: You wait in line, then you mark down your wish list, then you walk away...
SantaObama then gives you everything you asked for.Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
references to ponys. Kind of reminds me of the guys who say things like "those guys need to be drug tested", and "fucking retards", and "I will not vote for health care reform without a public option" or "too big to fail must end now", and other bullshit.
Seeing as you're acting like a spoiled 7-year old daddy's girl who still hasn't learned that you still have to earn your Christmas presents. The, "You better be good, for goodness' sake," line applies to you too. And being good in this context means doing a fuckload more than typing angrily on the internet.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
betray your lack of substance, as is typical of your kind. angry much?
See my comment just below. You're acting like an entitled piece of crap who doesn't realize that when the people of this nation wanted fundamental change, they had to do more to get it than simply write letters. This country's history is full of rallies and protest marches that were met with violence by the forces of reaction. It's full of stories like sit-ins at lunch counters and county registrars' offices offices that saw the seated swell the populations of city and county jails, of Freedom Riders and mine workers shot and bombed...But if not for these people who sacrificed, change would have never occurred.
And you sit here typing angrily and question the quality of my replies to you? You're a fucking joke, Finn. You believe passionately in something until, in order to achieve that something, you actually have to do something.
WALK THE TALK OR GTFO!
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
who is it that's angry here? It's you. There are no lunch counters to sit at today. The protests of the 60's were relevant then, they do not have the same impact now. No police will hose you for the photographer to shoot and put in the paper, no dogs will be unleashed on you, there are no buses to ride in an illegal manner. You will march around, and carry your sign, and yell, and then go home. And nothing will change. You sir, and your outdated modes of thinking, are the joke here. And your anger,that's amusing too.
It's not about lunch counters...Think outside the box, would you? Who supported Prop 8 in California? Maybe the LDS and Catholic Churches, amongst others? How about sit-ins in their churches until DADT is overturned and the LGBT community has the same rights as everyone else everywhere in the country? Hell, you don't need buses to DC for that kind of action, just people willing to make sacrifices.
But it's easier just to blame everything on the politicians, isn't it?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
just the idiots who keep voting for them, no matter how bad they are. Wave to the camera.
You're a natural as The Artless Dodger.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
oliver? begging for more?
Any number (real, imaginary, whole, fraction, positive or negative) multiplied by zero is zero.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
because we weren't discussing math. maybe lay off the bottle? it's late.
I've been to plenty of in-the-street protests. 2 huge ones (relatively) that did NOTHING: Iraq War (day1), and pre and post 2008 election against Prop 8. A sum zero effect. Those kinds of 60's protest are currently ineffective. But I never claimed doing nothing was an answer. That was you, giving yourself yest another excuse to be angrily superior.
Right. Because you've tried the sit-in lately, right? Tell me why it was that the SNCC actions in Mississippi were effective, please.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
still stuck in the 60's. It was a different time, it wouldn't have any effetc today, my whole point. And yes, sitting in an intersection connected by locked tubes over my arms, blocking traffic until I was cut out of it and hauled off by police is "sitting in" my my book. Didn't accomplish a thing. Name an effective sit-in from the last 10 years and what it actually accomplished.
Unicorn?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
But there remain plenty of obtainable goals that require work on our parts. It seems quite obvious to me that simply dropping a ballot in a box hasn't worked out in getting the situation switched around in the right direction. Finn13 seems to think that it's over- but neither Finn13. nor anyone else doing all the heavy bitching in the prog-o-sphere even attempted anything more than bitching heavily online. Who amongst the bitchy have been setting up the buses and renting the Lincoln Memorial to show the POTUS, Senate and House what kind of muscle progressives really have, huh? Who? Finn13? David762? Abbybwood? Susie Madrak? Who?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
.n/t.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
are wrong. I don't this "it's" over. Whatever "it" is. I think sending a message to Democrats that ignoring the left makes them lose elections is a very obtainable and worthy goal. I already know you do not think so. However, discussing ideas and disagreeing is not "bitching". You can marginalize your opponents with your immature babbling however you wish but don't expect them to take you seriously with unsubstantiated dreck (and insults) like that. It just exposes your own weak arguments, or lack thereof.
Marching on on Washington is nearly pointless, unless you have major corporations underwriting buses for all those people that can't afford to travel anymore (I'm guessing not).
Primary challenges are a good part of the solution, to swing Dems left. We saw that they could work in the future with the showing they made in 2010.
Now smile, Mr. Angry!
You could have gone to Detroit and knocked on some doors and you would have had buses to get 500K to DC in support of health care reform- and probably single-payer. The Big Three have been talking about getting the cost of health care off of their hands for nearly twenty years. Did you give 'em a holler? I'm betting the answer is, "No. I didn't realize that."
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
at coming up with wild assumptions to support your arguments, well done! I can't really hold a discussion with it however, it doesn't lead to anything but more wild assumptions on your part.
You're a passionate, real progressive. Passionate, real progressives have failed to mobilize even themselves in support of progressive legislation. Ergo you have failed. Epically.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
well done!
Thought so.
Democrats are not quitters Finn13. If you ever were, that is...
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
but definitely liars just like the other big party. Unless you're a corporation with deep pockets, they're not your friend.
oh, and I don't consider myself a Democrat, I am a unaffiliated Liberal. I only voted AGAINST the horrifying GWB in 2004 not FOR Kerry, and same in 2008, I voted against Caribou Barbie and Teh Crazy, and though maybe Obama might do some good. I was mostly wrong.
He had to break protocol and short circuit the equal but separate branches to get there though. ;)
Oops. [this is in response to how Bush got things done].
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
but definitely liars just like the other big party
Ha!
We will definitely have to disagree on that.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Funny, i feel like there's hope for you finn13, but you're just mad at the Democrats.
Try reading the newer post regarding Republican obstruction maybe.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I can completely understand being upset by the Dems. I am. Obama is not exactly who I thought he was, however, I'd be much more concerned about the Republicans getting their hands on power as they have proved they are out to gut and bury the working class (that's you/us Finn13). A third party sounds great, but not for this November. Doesn't leave voters many options. You know you have to vote Dem or reap the whirlwind of Republican obstruction and destruction; both total. .
I'll even wager most of the planet doesn't want Republicans (and another new war in Iran.) Another war will cost American taxpayers trillions and for nothing. (Edit: And our troops, your allies, will get dragged in too.)
(disclaimer: not American, but what I see.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
It's a long shot but this just might help a few of the differently abled distinguish between Republican and Democratic policies.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
We fell for 30 years of reaganisms and bushisms that inundated our country with ignorance that allowed corporate greed to establish an oligarchy. We have people so uninformed that they are ready to vote against their own best interest because they don't really know the truth. Poor behind people are protesting issues that are a benefit to themselves because they are easily fooled. Fox news and right winged radio has too much power over the easily led. I also fault the ass media for propagated these lies by not doing the job needed by the Fourth Estate. The republican party will sit back and allow this country to implode in order to get back in power. Ignorance is destroying our country more surely than any outside terrorist can every do. Ask yourself, what has the republican party done to increase the welfare of the majority of the American people? We must stand up and speak out ourselves. The President can only do so much without our support and help.
He needs that help and support now more than ever.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
It seems to me that Obama wants us to have a certain amount of amnesia about the last year and a half when he has time and time again given into republicans when he could have been out there (like he was today) making the case against the republicans BS. where was he when we needed a single payer or public option argument? where was he when we needed him to fight against the republican double speak? it's not like he is going to be denied air time? *maybe by Fox. but he could get out there and make his case against the fox/repug ideals that are killing our country.
Probably closeted with Pelosi and Reid where they were telling him they couldn't corral the votes for a public option.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Mr." hope and change" with Mrs." impeachment is off the table" and one close to my heart Mr." screw the people" Chris Dodd. Chris Dodd shanked us real bad.
Wow, I really need to brush up on my reading comprehension skils!
Here are pages and pages of proof: http://www.strike-the-root.com/vote.html
It's "All Lies, All the Time" http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/08/19...
is at it again. Election time seems to bring out the total BS in Barry.
Barry is the best we have. Pied Palin and her tea party people are the fraud.
Palin should send Piper out with her flute to lead the Tea Baggers over that cliff. ;)
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
I almost thought I'd accidentally stumbled into the Free Republic site. Yeah...Obama hasn't delivered your Utopia yet. So he's a real asshole, huh? Your whining really makes me want to puke. If I wanted to puke I'd listen to whiny wimpy Hannity or whiny wimpy Beck or whiny wimpy Limbaugh. Puky whiny wimpy liberals are even worse...because liberals are SUPPOSED to be smarter and know better.
I'm more pissed off than you are...but God FUCKIN' DAMMIT...this country would be totally fucked with Republicans running it. And you know it. At this point...I'd vote for George W Bush if he had a "D" after his name. Because we ain't seen NOTHIN' yet if the new generation of Insane Nazi Jesus Criminals take over.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper
Agreed.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Until one of these unappreciative losers come up with a compelling argument that McFraud and his miserable ignorant henchbitch would be better for the Nation, I'm not hearing jack-shit.
Things are not good, but they could be so much worse.
I am so sick and tired of the fake liberals that come on sites like this and belittle the president. Beware the fake liberals, they're everywhere these days sprouting their bullshit spin to try like hell to make Obama a one termer.
I hadn't thought of that but then the Republicans are liars. They get by on them. Why should their trolls be any different.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
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