January 16, 2012 08:37 PM
Golden Rule Booed at SC Debate
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In the middle of a heated debate with Newt Gingrich over foreign policy, Ron Paul spoke up with the one platform plank I agree with him on: Quit warmongering, stop going to war, and treat other nations like we want to be treated.
Unfortunately, the audience in South Carolina disagreed with Rep. Paul, booing and shouting at him, though it felt a bit disjointed to hear them turn around and cheer him saying we don't need any more wars.
He said maybe we should use the Golden Rule as our foreign policy...and then there were boos. Yikes.
Who the hell boos "treat others the way you'd like to be treated."
Republicans
.
...Baby Jeebus?
redundant
Who worship the Golden Stool of ignorance and malice.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
The ones that call themselves Christians. Lip service is so damned easy, and they reveal themselves daily. More and more I think we are on a collision course in this country from fascism. I know that word has been pretty much worn out and maybe it has lost a lot of its power, but I am 56 years old, and I have never seen this kind of rhetoric, and I am a bit worried.
I have urged my young niece and nephew to make plans to leave America for a more enlightened country when the iron boot of corporate fascism comes down for real. "America" as we knew it and dreamed of it is dead. Ahead lies fascism and theocracy.
A country like Sweden has much better health care, more enlightened politics, and smarter and happier people than we have here. By comparison, America looks like a dangerous far-out religious cult bristling with nuclear weapons. I don't feel like it's my country any more.
Our downward spiral began in earnest with the Reagan Disaster and has been accelerating ever since. We don't have much time left as a democracy, if we still are one today.
I will indeed start plans to leave immediately. It's not as hard as many think.
True liberals/progressives don't simply critique the elite, we actually fight them and win.
...I'm still here trying to make it better.
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Just as an experiment, someone should say "If I was president, I'd put deadly poison in the Middle East's drinking water, and kill every man, woman, and child."
Just to see how the audience reacts, because at this point, I'm curious as to whether they're actually listening, or just listening for buzzwords like Pavlov's Dogs.
Is that like Schrödinger's cat? :p
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Psychopaths...that's who.
Just 'Cos You Got the Power...THAT DON'T MEAN YOU GOT THE RIGHT!
Un-American, un-Christian, inhuman animals, that's who. In other words, today's republicans.
Christians.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
I wonder how many of these boo birds at any of these "debates" are actually plants for a any specific candidate. Are they kicked out for disrupting the debate? or are there too many of them?
Late,
QSE32
weird.
...for signing your post even though your name is included right under the title line.
:)
But I don't know. I suppose any candidate would love to load up the audience with his cronies.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
That's usually frowned upon on.
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if the republicans like war so much,
perhaps we should amend the constitution
for only republicans to pay for all the wars.
..and to fight in them.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
without pressing play on the video look how unusually happy the old guy looks over the moderator's right shoulder (closest to the edge of the frame.)
and then still without pressing play look at how happy the old bald guy is on the moderator's left sitting behind the blonde lady...
these guys really like what they heard!!!
It's like they just heard the announcement that there would be free puppy blood in the lobby after the debates.
Late,
QSE32
That explanation is that republicans really, honestly DO feel that IOKIYAR. The reason that American exceptionalism ranks so high on their meter is that they feel that there is one law for them and a totally different law for everyone else. And they quite frankly admit it and wonder why other people don't see how exceptional they are. This comes from knowing that whatever god they worship has blessed them and given them special knowledge while condemning everyone else.
Tragically flawed individuals.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
. . . Actually wrote me (along with everyone else in the state) a nice newsletter to tell me he's a firm believer in American Exceptionalism.
I wrote back telling him he was what's wrong with this country.
But yes -- according to repubs -- IOKIYAR and it's OK if it's America, too.
to republicans people that aren't like them and people they don't have to meet personally aren't really people and their reasons for doing things spark no interest whatsoever unless they are doing what the eliminationists want. they are sociopathic. they lack the ability to empathize with anyone they see as "different." just the mere existence of others makes them play victim before they lash out. if someone doesn't say merry christmas around christmas they act as though they have been infringed upon. they are every bit as twisted as muslim jihadists, they just lack the conviction to do the dirty work themselves. they want to watch tv shows about weapons and previous wars and then watch romanticized hollywood movies about it. then they want someone else's kid to go do it. people that cheer corpse desecration? seriously. what do you do when 25% of the country is ignorant and 25% is ignorant and crazy?
Yes, they are sociopaths, as are the republicans. The republicans must be driven out of Washington, and out of American politics.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
....I think it might be easier to just split the country.
if we split up the country they'd start a war with us because our have should've belonged to them also.
"half"
that will keep them occupied for a few decades. O
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
thewaronreason.
The conservatives actually believe we were minding our own business on September 11, 2001. They think muslims are all out to kill us and take over our country. They have been convinced that we are an innocent, benevolent nation that gives away gobs of money and no one appreciates us for it. They believe we must occupy Afghanistan or the Taliban will invade us and rape our women (and young boys).
These endless lies that have been perpetrated upon us have poisoned any chance of rational debate about foreign policy. Ron Paul is never going to convince the conservatives that the truth is their government is hell bent on world domination. They do not understand what imperialism means. They believe that we can grow crops better than indiginous people, that oil refineries are good for other countries and that any tin pot dictator is a good person as long as they use the dollar and let us flood their markets with cheap products.
Ron Paul is wasting his time trying to convince these morally depraved idiots. He's a joke. That audience looked like they were on the set of "America's Funniest Home Videos".
"Someday somebody related to some of these sufferers, these victims, these collaterally damaged souls, may try to kill you. And I have to tell you, I think you’ll have it coming." - Christopher Cooper
It's unfortunate, but most of his ideas are just extreme "doubling down" of conservative ideas. When it comes to believing the government is in between us and "freedom" (read: anarchy/corporatocracy), he feels right at home in Republicanland.
I'd love a leader choice that believed this incredibly sane version of events leading up to 9/11 -and- didn't want to destroy regulation and leave things to the almighty free market.
"They believe we must occupy Afghanistan or the Taliban will invade us and rape our women (and young boys)."
They are reserved for the church and (R) senators! They can have the women; the R's don't seem too interested in them.
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.”
- John Stuart Mill
A lot of really sick people. I feel ashamed for America.
far left loon >.<
What else do you need to realize the the GOP base is made up of a bunch of sick motherfuckers. Jeez, they applaud execution, letting uninsured just die and blowing the shit out of anyone who doesn't agree with the US stealing their resources and murdering their people. Sick motherfuckers.
what's next to boo? Baby booties and warm milk?
Before enlightenment - chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment - chop wood, carry water.
"Hi, I'm a crippled war veteran on Medicare..."
-(BOOOOOOOO!)-
"Hi, i'm a vietnam vet who protested against it"
"Booooooooo.....fuck you traitor......killl him......"
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What colour are the babies?
far left loon >.<
Pale, because they are dead.
And slightly rotten.
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for just prior to the clip starting?
Meh. Maybe one of the Candidates kicked a child off food stamps.
I think Newt just shot some lightning at a pragnent women while shouting. "Unlimited power"
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A liberal was tased and dragged out by his feet? Just a guess.
far left loon >.<
They just watched a video of Marines pissing on some dead Taliban.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
If Ron Paul was a racist, wouldn't he be more popular in the South? Face it, he's the real deal just like Ralph Nader. A threat to the establishment.
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meh...
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
How very Christian of them to boo the Golden Rule. These self-proclaimed Christians don't follow an iota of what their good Book tells them to or what Jesus taught. Christianity today is nothing more than the lip service of the label and going to church once a week. Period. It no longer involves acting like Jesus or doing what he taught, but merely calling yourself a Christian and attending service intermittently. They have no morals other than screw the poor and screw Islam. You know, just like Jesus taught!
More than anything I have ever heard, this is conservative thought in a nutshell. They are offended by the idea of treating other people like they want to be treated. Anything that doesn't tilt the playing field in their favor, to the detriment of everyone else is unacceptable. Its why the notion of civil rights is so anathema to them.
The other day I was thinking about that Dana Loesch creature cheering marines urinating on Taliban corpses. Presumably if the Taliban were urinating on the corpses of their enemies, (i.e. americans) that would be an intolerable barbarity. Americans can do it because they are special. They are the pinnacle of civilization, and decency. And to prove their superiority, they get to urinate on the corpses of their enemies.
This is IOKIYAR applied to foreign policy. It's pure hypocrisy. Do as I say, not as I do. And the thing is, you can point it out to them, and they either cannot see it or will not own up to it. The GOP is filled to the brim with immature little 2-year-olds with the ability to vote.
"The GOP is filled to the brim with immature little 2-year-olds with the ability to vote."
And carrying guns and Bibles.
Too bad they don't seem to bother reading them.
They can read?
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
it's a good thing to stop having wars.
However, it's not okay for other nations to not like the U.S. because they start wars/invade/occupy other countries.
Apparently the issue is that the U.S. should do what it damn well pleases & screw all you 'lesser peoples' for having the audacity to not recognize that the grand ole U.S. of A. is f*ck of the world.
Who might have the last laugh I wonder.
Sad.
The real kicker is that all these foreigners are supposed to be grateful for having their country blown to shit and resources stolen.
At least this time they're not booing a gay soldier.
if these wonder white inbreds in sc. love war so much, and seek the holy grail of demonization, reinstate the draft. and NO exemptions for college or a hangnail. lets see how fast mommy and daddy in leave it to beaverland there like seeing little mary rottencroch come home with PTSD, and half a limb.
no, just like bush cheney rummy all who never put themselves out there, they talk the talk, but they dont walk the walk..
"what ever it is, I'm against it. & even if you change it or condense it, I'm against it!".... marx
An old Cherokee told his grandson, "My son, there's a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego .The other is good. It's joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and truth." The grandson thought about it and asked his grandfather, "Which wolf wins?" The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
I translated this one not that long ago. How true it is.
Tonight I went to all channels on my dish to see the debate on FOX. First after 2 minutes I left but decide to go back and watch it all.
I am really flabbergasted at the applauses each candidate received while getting craziest as the recited their stupid lie and embellish them that became worst with time.
This noon while seeing Alex Wagner, it was mention that South Carolina hates Obama so much because he was black that they would never vote for him, even the democrats. They are still flying the Southern State flags from a war they lost more than they have been alive but no matter as another guest said that the thing they hated the most is that his mother was white and his father was very black from Kenya. Welcome to generations of uneducated majority.
It is so sad that State that average salary is $3300.00 average that is $7000.00 less that the rest of the country would really show so much stupidity to go for politicians that only care for their own self fame and glory just because they want OBAMA to fail.
Newt Gingrich's campaign slogan seems to be "Arbeit macht Kinder frei"
More unhinged Republican hatred.
These people are a fucking psychotic cancer on this once-great nation. No wonder we're sinking under the weight of right-wing stupidity and venality.
These people truly are twisted and evil.
Just 'Cos You Got the Power...THAT DON'T MEAN YOU GOT THE RIGHT!
Damn, boo him for suggesting we treat other countries the way we want to be treated, then cheer him for saying we don't need to start any more wars and get out of the ones we are in. Do these republicans even know what they want?
...to make Obama a one-termer. Nothing else; if and when they get it, then what? More nothing.
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If they win, Obama will be the next Carter and a punching bag for lies for a decade.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Correct.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Despite the noises we sometimes hear to the contrary (seems to come in cycles), this is not a Christian nation. A Christian nation would turn the other cheek, be kind and generous to the poor, and when asked for a bushel of corn would give that and throw in a bushel of wheat on top of it. The religious right seems to have a big problem with implementing the teachings of Jesus in their own lives and communities. They like prosperity doctrine, which teaches that the wealthy are blessed, over the Biblical doctrine that the poor are blessed and not the wealthy.
For the record, I don't think a "turn the other cheek" foreign policy would be actually good for America. There is a good middle ground between that and our current policy, which is to punch anyone who seems to be looking at us funny and getting all up into everyone else's business. But it doesn't surprise me that Republicans would boo Paul for saying this.
European Christians that came to the new world to subjugate and wipe out the native populations and steal their land and resources. I think you may be confused about what Christianity is. If God makes you the chosen people, then, well, do what you have to do, or want to do, as the Israelis do, and the Iranians, etc.
The problem is monotheism, which leads to things like all the holy wars of the past and present (and future), because some cloud being has "chosen" you, or us, or someone else. The problem is primitive views and beliefs about reality. And talk about primitive, South Carolina is neck and neck with Oklahoma, Mississippi and a few other choice and very ignorant states in the race to the bottom. Look at the politicians SC produces. Their only hope is Stephen Colber(t).
You mean the hypochristians?
"Do unto others....as much as you can!"
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
The problem with Christianity is not, IMHO, monotheism, but the focus on the afterlife. Any number of heinous acts can be excused with the reasoning that it saves the victim's immortal soul and allows it into heaven. Better to die in agony on Earth and live forever in glory, after all, than to live a normal human life in comfort and spend eternity in hell.
If monotheism were the problem, then Hinduism should be the perfect religion, since it has as many deities as you want. But Hinduism also teaches that important things happen outside the living world, and this causes issues. Low-caste individuals deserve to be poor and ill-treated, or so it is said, because they either earned their way into that status with evil deeds in a previous life, or else are working their way up and must suffer to earn a better caste in their next life. Either way, there is nothing immoral about treating a low-caste person like dirt in this (very polytheistic) religion.
But this is neither here nor there. The fact is that the basic message of Jesus is not followed by the supposedly Christian United States. While I would not try to advance a no-true-Scotsman argument, I think it takes more to be a Christian than just calling yourself one.
The battle has become republicans vs. Americans. These right-wingers are turning into a disgusting, vile cult that is dominating American political discourse with corrosive results. The majority needs to clamp down and soon. What must we look like to thinking people overseas? I am so ashamed of my country right now - actually not my country so much as my fellow citizens on the far-far lunatic fringe right wing. I wish they would all go away.
Too many worthless people in that audience, no wonder people who watch that channel are less informed than people that watch no news at all. I believe that. I would boo the golden rule applied to them from the outside. I say to the world, which includes us good people living in the home of the Brave, let them have it.
True liberals/progressives don't simply critique the elite, we actually fight them and win.
I wonder how many of the people posting intemperate comments on this thread think they are practicing the Golden Rule. Or is the Golden Rule just something for whacking people you disagree with?
A gaggle of filthy republicans boo the Golden Rule. People here complain about this disgusting behavior. Then you come in to tell us that the only decent thing for us to do is to shut up and let them get away with this, lest WE violate the Golden Rule.
This is SO foolish and illogical it's making my eyes bleed.
Member since....today!
Maybe wixpix can get some perspective soon.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
...writing a comment on a blog and destroying peoples lives by the way one governs. The comment is the symptom and the Rs are the disease.
"I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative.”
- John Stuart Mill
Name-calling is not practicing the Golden Rule.
Some people in this thread not only disagreed with the booing of the Golden Rule (as do I) but in the process tried to demonize the members of the debate audience with the following terms:
“filthy, “ “immature little 2-year-olds,” “worthless people,” “inhuman animals,” “psychopaths,” “sociopaths” “really sick people,” “white inbreds in sc,” “psychotic cancer on this once-great nation.”
This is a fallacy called "argumentum ad hominem," that is, attacking the person rather than analyzing and discrediting their opinions. It is not an effective debating technique. It will not persuade people who disagree with you. It may help puff up your sense of superiority, but how does that accord with the Golden Rule.
If you don't want a civil society, if you don't want to win arguments, if you have no empathy or compassion for the wrong-headed folks who booed the Golden Rule, then keep calling people names, but don't pretend you believe in the Golden Rule.
The Golden Rule.
Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Am I getting this right?
If so, The GOp certainly do not abide by such a "golden rule".
The hypocrisy can get a bit over whelming at times.
On this particular topic, it's so true, that it's laughable.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Oh fuck off, will you?
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
you go play that game at your fav rightwing blog, like foxnation, where civility and retort are no where to be found.. when you have a whole audience of xtians who profess their love of a cult cheering for child labor and mass murder, thats where you belong.
"what ever it is, I'm against it. & even if you change it or condense it, I'm against it!".... marx
is a much better fallacy.
CTHULHU 2012 "Why vote for a lesser evil?"
We definitely should analyze the ideas of the filthy, immature, worthless, inhuman, psychopathic, sociopathic, sick, inbred, cancerous fucktards in that audience.
Are you sure you weren't an adviser to Obama when he tried to work with the Republicans in Congress?
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
Wikipix says:
" This is a fallacy called "argumentum ad hominem," that is, attacking the person rather than analyzing and discrediting their opinions. It is not an effective debating technique. It will not persuade people who disagree with you. It may help puff up your sense of superiority, but how does that accord with the Golden Rule."
See, it's that part about "puff up your sense of superiority" that gives you away. There is no "sense" of superiority for those that believe in the golden rule (which is arguably the most fundamental of human rules of behavior), over those that do not; the believers are factually superior.
Also, it should be pointed out that this comment section does not represent a "debate" with those that booed the Golden rule, so your point is asinine to begin with.
It seems to me that you are suggesting that sane, rational, compassionate people should treat sociopaths with dignity and respect, even if those sociopaths are advocating actions that may result in the destruction of our society, and even if those sociopaths aren't in the fucking room.
When they hand you the shovel and tell you to dig your own grave, I assume you'll nod your head and go about it quietly; because swinging it wildly and fighting for your life would be unseemly.
#1, Do unto others before they do unto you.
#2, Above all else, take the money. Any way you can.
# 3, Thou shalt lie.
# 4, When in doubt, see #3.
# 5, Intimidation is good.
# 6, Greed is good.
# 7, Covet the neighbors wife.
# 8,Thou shalt have no other God than St Ronnie.
# 9, Murder is not cool, unless it just so happens to look like an accident .(avoid small aircraft )
# 10, Honor the Almighty Dollar.
#11, It's ok if you're a republican.
#12, Thou shalt always spread lies about Democrats.( they're dirty fricken hippies anyway)
#13, Thou shalt steal if need be.
#14, When all else fails, lie, deceive, distort, obfuscate, spin, and blame the other guy.( as long as he/she's not a republican)
What is your conceptual, continuity?
He said maybe we should use the Golden Rule as our foreign policy...and then there were boos. Yikes.
These freaks are so fucked in the head, they don't even know what it is they hate.
If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.
George Carlin
On 911 The United States was ATTACKED by CONSERVATIVES.
Why are we fighting conservatives over there when they are already here
At the end of the video when he came out passionately speaking out against the warmongering going on now and what a disastrous idea a war with Iran would be he also got plenty of cheers.
Students at Faith/Freedom pre-debate forum chant "Adios mofo" before Rick Perry apperance.
Donaldd
Remember most Reslugs are just too ignorant, brainwashed and uneducated to get any truth. I guess they're born into a lifetime of taught hatred and racism. They just blindly follow and do what the next stupid Reslug asshole does or says in front of them.
I will never, ever spend my money in that fascist-cracker state. Real classy folks. They even booed Mitt because his family has Mexican ties.
I don't believe in God. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.
-Andrew Carnegie
They must be reading the old testament. Rape, murder, genocide, slavery, warfare, ect, ect, ect, according to GOD'S will. No golden rule there.
I heard someone describe Congress as a bunch of prostitutes. That statement is slanderous to all prostitutes and should be stricken from the record.
What these Christians don't understand was that Jesus was a liberal.
I heard someone describe Congress as a bunch of prostitutes. That statement is slanderous to all prostitutes and should be stricken from the record.
Come on C&L!
This was an answer as to why he wouldn't have killed Bin Laden. This absurd answer was the worst answer of the night. Of course he got booed.
...stands for? It doesn't seem like it. A Golden Rule for foreign policy? Yeah, the Republicans are going to love that. Most American politicians believe in some degree of American exceptionalism, but Republicans believe we should be able to do whatever we want to other countries and a) they shouldn't protest and b) they should love us cuz we love freedom.
There's not much nuance in boycotting a state where thre are a lot of fair-minded people who are unemployed. South Carolina is a state that usually votes at least 40% Democrat. So because we can't muster a majority you're going to throw all of us under the bus?
Every bodies panties get all wet when Paul says something good like this.
Remember he is not a Republican. He is really a Libertarian. He is saying things that strict constitutionalists would say.
He won't win, but it is nice to hear somebody stick to their principles (no matter how much I may disagree with them), instead of pandering to the lunatic fringe of the party, which is what the rest of them are doing.
Paul represents people who want our wars to be debated in congress. They hate that Obama bombed Libya, that Bush put us in Afghanistan, or Clinton went to Bosnia. The idiots in the audience who booed him are basically OK with the president conducting secret wars, and having unchecked war powers.
The boos were half directed at Paul because of his anti "The president can drop bombs on anybody he feels like it stance", and because these idiots think the United States of Murica should be able to do what ever it wants - mostly because we have the biggest guns (Which is all we seem to have lately).
Boy are you naive! There isn't any Golden Rule anymore. I has been abolished by the Prosperity Gospel.
"Respect for the rights of others is peace." --Benito Juarez
You'd think it would take a complete empathectomy to boo the Golden Rule. I give a bit of its history as well as showing Gingrich's and Paul's opposing worldviews as seen through the unpreachable Bible verses at my blog post: http://biblefunmentionables.wordpress.com/201...
Family values Christians Booing actual family values...........HaHaHaHa...........Priceless!
This is why were fucked!
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