GOP Whines About Debate Format: It Wasn't a REAL Town Hall Format - Unfair To John McCain
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Oct 08, 2008 5:30am
During the presidential campaign season, every pundit -- regardless of political affiliation -- has touted the "town hall" format as the strongest and most comfortable debate setting for John McCain. Unfortunately, McCain performed miserably in Tuesday's town hall debate with Barack Obama, once again looking desperate, rambling and uncomfortable. So how is the GOP going spin it?
C&L sources who are on GOP e-mail lists report that at least a half hour before the debate was even finished, they started receiving e-mails spinning and whining about the format and how it wasn't a REAL town hall -- therefore, it's unfair to poor John McCain. Ben Smith at Politico got the ball rolling:
I wrote earlier that this would likely be an empathy contest, but between the odd rules, the candidates, and the visibly displeased moderator, that's not really happening. The questions are basically impersonal, and the questioners then disappear.
Right. It's not the debater who failed....it's the debate format that failed him.
Let's see how many of the right wing water carriers pick up and run with that lame excuse.
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As Brokaw kept reminding them, EVERYONE agreed to the format of the debate.
Yes, Brokaw kept reminding them to stay within the time limit as he twice allowed McCain extra follow up question time. The first time he did it, I saw Obama get up to give his follow - up and Brokaw cut him off. But Obama is quick thinking and when he came his turn again, he answered the rebuttal. It didn't take him long to figure out that Brokaw would give McCain more time.
Brokaw's bias to McCain could not be hidden . . . McCain solidified that bias by in a friendly manner kept "side talking" to Brokaw calling him Tom. I tried my very best to prevent Brokaw from being the moderator for this very reason . . . he did not disappoint me. Exyremely poor representation.
I also said I had faith that Obama would be most aware of the evident bias and would have planned a successful strategy . . . he definitely did not disappoint me! You go Obama . . . .
That's right and it was McSame who wanted this type of forum, not Senator Obama. What frickin' whiny a$$es that bunch of mofos are... Grow up, you losers!
Yeah but they agreed to the IFill hosted debate 3 months ahead of time and still whined about some imaginary conflict of interest.
The problem is that they have absolutely nothing to offer this nation, we've figured it out and we're kicking them out. They can't deal with that fact so rather than changing the train wreck that is their party to something people can respect again they'd rather sit around and cry like whiny titty babies.
I seriously can’t get why ANYONE would vote for Obama! Can someone tell me how you can have little experience, have made poor voting decisions (or mostly DIDN’T vote when he needed to), have ties to bad people, have a slow ability to get your answers out, yet be in the lead to win the presidency? I can’t BELIEVE anyone can’t see through this guy. McCain is NOT Mr. “personality”. Is that what we have now? A personality vote? Bcuz if Obama wins, it’s not on substance AT ALL. It will be, however, one of the scariest times in this country if he wins. Democrats have screwed this country up for the past two years and LOVE to blame Bush (as does Obama), and make McCain appear part of the problem. McCain has TRIED to bring solutions to the table, but IF THE DEMS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL, WHAT COULD HE GET DONE? Nada.
You tell me. If the pres, house and senate are all Democrat controlled….it will be an insane four years of government increase, more taxes for ALL OF US (look at Obama’s record, people!!!), more control over the PEOPLE….and then mark my words, in 4 years the country will be screaming for change AGAIN. McCain represents change without controlling the individual.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!! Christians need to unite and start yelling from the rooftops to WAKE PEOPLE UP to this Obama who is clearly not qualified, but a great fluffy, warm and fuzzy speaker with no substance or REAL experience. Just a lot of questions and doubt. WHO DO YOU TRUST WITH THIS COUNTRY IF WE HAVE A TERRORIST SITUATION? Not Obama, clearly.
I'm afraid you've got it all wrong, you silly right-winger. Republicans have destroyed this country -- not just for the past eight years, but for the past 28 years, when St. Ronnie Raygun began his jihad against representative government.
Democrats have ALWAYS done better for this nation than Repugs.
OK, shoo. Go away.
I mean, things are going so well after 8 years of Republican rule.
The economy is fit as a fiddle, we're living in a new age of peace and prosperity.....what? NO?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Why are we voting for Obama?
Republicans have had the presidency for the last 8 years, 6 of which they also controlled the Senate. The last 2 years, there has been a Dem majority, but not a veto-proof one in the Senate and guess what - the Republicans have filibustered more times than any time in history.
They've had 8 years to prove their agenda - and where are we now? Out of the last 4 presidents, which one gave us a national financial surplus? The Democrat. They also had one of the most financial prosperous economies (for everyone, not just the rich). Under the Republicans for the last 8 years, the middle class and poor have regressed in their actual pay - by anywhere from $300 to $2000/yr (depending on whose figures you're reading). NEVER has that happened before, EVER. Especially when productivity has increased by larger percentages than ever before.
Of course Obama has to raise taxed - who the hell is going to pay for the reckless spending by BushCo? You charge stuff on the national credit card, it has to be paid for somehow. The DIFFERENCE here is that Obama is going to increase taxes on those that can actually afford it, rather than giving more tax breaks to the rich like McCain. McCain also wants to tax everyones health benefits that they get from their employer - an average employee receives $12k/yr in health benefits - do YOU want to pay taxes on that? I don't! Obama also wants to give tax breaks to the middle class, so 95% of everyone who pays taxes will actually pay LESS than they are now. How's THAT for 'raising taxes'?
As for that inexperience b.s. - Obama is a smart guy and he'll have some of the best people to advise him. Unlike Bush, he will actually listen to them and follow their advice. Given McCains health, it's not at all unlikely that Palin may become president - and you want to talk about lack of experience??? Sorry, I'll take Obama - who actually speaks intelligently, uses common sense, gets his facts straight AND has a VP that has more than enough experience - than take my chances with a hothead and his clueless running mate.
Let's see - I have about a hundred other good reasons if you would like me to spell it out for you.
If you're voting for McCain, WE would like to know - why?
At this point, after 2 years of Obama running for President, you should know without a doubt that Obama is NO "empty suit".
Do you ever think for yourself of do you always using talking points from Hannity to get your views.
Now we have our homegrown Taliban, the Christians, battling America's freedoms!
We have nothing to fear but fear (and Christians) itself!
Kandy, is this your real name or is this Sarah Palin in disguise? You are pathetic, you will believe any drivel from McBlame's mouth. he attacks Obama but he should be telling us all what he is going to do to get us out of this mess we are in. Just join a winning ticket and vote for Obama and then all your dreams will come thru except the names have been changed. You have a month to get on this winning team. I can tell in a second when McCain is lying, his lips move when he talks, enough said.
Did anyone else notice McCrazy wandering around the stage last night while Obama was speaking? He looked like the stereotypical senile old man wandering around lost on stage. I love how he said Obama was "telegraphing" his battle plans to the enemy -- apparently he did not get the memo after the last debate that this comment makes him seem especially old. Oh wait, I guess that's because they used email...
YES ..... I did definitely notice his wondering around while Obama was speaking and considered it most unprofessional and rude. He was purposely attempting to distract the people from concentrating on the answer Obama was giving. Probably it did distract some of the totally lame, but basically I think the attempt failed.
I also noticed, as was brought up, they frquently camera scanned Obama and his reaction to what McCain was saying but did not scan McCain. This was also purposeful because during the last debate McCain's expressions were totally mean and hateful . . . they could not risk revealing his true nasty disposition again.
McCain is a petulant spoiled 5 year old stuck inside a 72 year old body.
call the freakin' waaaahmbulance already.
They wanted this type of forum, they agreed to it.
What was the problem...not enuf ex-military in the audience for McCain to say "thank you for your service" to? Not enuf opportunities to say "my friends".
The GOP has a flawed candidate, spouting flawed and failed positions (when he actually takes a position on something), has no connection with middle americans, and has a track record tied directly to the failed policies of the past.
Yeah...I agree with the above...STFU.
Of Course they're bitching about the format.
It must be very difficult coming up with new reasons almost everyday why McCain is failing. mmmmmm? Maybe because McCain represents the past and the failed policy's and Obama represents the future and promise.
This is a classic example of people being afraid of change. Not to mention the hatred and racism. Ugly,ugly,ugly. And stupid.
What on earth do you expect the GOP to do? If they come out and admit their candidate screwed up, they might as well all pack their bags and go home!
McCain is actually scary at the level he takes things personally. There would be no reconciliation with anyone during a McCain presidency. It would be even more of "You're either with us, or you're against us." Except that once you're against for one thing, you're forever a sworn enemy. The venom and hatred that comes across on some of McCain's comments is scary. He's not trying to beat Obama because he thinks he's better. He's trying to beat him because McCain has actually convinced himself to hate him!
Joe Biden, I don't think McCain's your friend no more...
McCain is failing?
He destroyed Obama last nite and made him look like the inexperienced and under qualified candidate that he is.
Obama has no substance whatsoever and would be an embarrassment to this country should he actually win (which he will not).
Obama should first go back to the Senate and learn HOW to be a senator, author and pass some meaningful legislation, and get some experience before he runs again. In 4 more years he may be ready, but as of now, the man simply is not presidential material.
The REAL USA knows this, and that is why, come November, he will be defeate quite easily.
Indeed, maybe Obama should go to flight school. Crash a few planes, set an aircraft carrier on fire, get captured by the enemy, sing like a canary when in prison to get special treatment, leave his wife for a younger/richer model, be involved in one of the worst corruptions scandals ever in the senate, pick an utter moron for the Veep spot, and then... only then... will he ever be qualified for the presidency. Right?
From what I've been reading lately, not only was McCain at the bottom of his class, he was disobeying orders when he crashed and got shot down. Maybe being a Maverick isn't such a good idea.
Snore. We have eyes and ears. We saw it.
I'm a f#$kin' furigner, and I saw it too. I am part of the "real" world. Join us.
I'm sick of feeling guilty for being American. I have apologized for my country to each of my Dutch in-laws and they have been very gracious, telling me they understand the American people are good people with unfortunate leadership.
I gather that Obama is supported 75% in Europe. That says a lot. Bush's dead-enders will say "what do we care what other countries think?" Of course, that's exactly the problem ... Bush doesn't care.
The inability to reconsider when all accusing fingers are pointed in your direction, is evidence of a juvenile world-view.
"He destroyed Obama"? I gather, you are one of the 30% who believe he won the debate. That group would constitute an ... er ... laughable minority opinion, which immediately calls your judgment into question.
"Obama has no substance whatsoever"? You are one of the 40% who believe he shouldn't be president. The group who believes he has "no substance" is much smaller than that (probably the 20-25% dead-enders who believe the Bush crime family is a good thing). Again, this logically calls your judgment into question.
"Obama should ... learn HOW to be a senator, author and pass some meaningful legislation"? If he's so deficient as a senator and can't pass legislation, you may need to inform Dick Luger (R) with whom he has written and passed legislation several times. As for his ability as an author, maybe you can provide links to your published books or book reviews. You know without that sort of backup, your qualifications to judge a man whose achievements likely far exceed your own are questionable.
Beat your chest, yell, lie, threaten dire consequences or whatever else you Publicans do. But, prepare yourself "my friend". You will have a black president who is imminently qualified and he will be backed by a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress.
You Publicans created the problem, now it's time for the adults to move in and clean up the mess. You really need to learn humility ... you'll need it over the next generation.
..... you are either rabidly partisan or acutely delusional or most likely both..... Of course the other explanation is that you are as dumb as a bag of hammers.... I was a huge fan of McCain's in 2000. In fact I not only preferred him to Bush but also to Gore.... Eight years later the man has been considerably diminished in every way, including morally and intellectually. Read the commentary coming from conservative pundits.... there was a compelling consensus regarding the verdict. Obama won big... or McCain lost big or Obama won big and McCain lost big. This reply will probably be lost on you as your appreciation of reality is at best tenuous and at worst non-existent; you may want to see a doctor.
Who told you what 2 + 2 is?
Come on, did you think the "2 + 2" riddle would stop them forever? I knew they would figure it out some time. I think that seven or eight of them got together, or they hired one million monkeys, with one million computers, and they got lucky!
It used to be 8 + 5 but they couldn't handle the pressure of double digits!!
Ohhhhh... brain huuuurt!
Funny that none of the undecideds, network polls, or most viewers see it your way. Partisanship really colors those lenses you are viewing this through.
It makes no difference what you think. The majority thought otherwise, and if that happens on election day, you'll be sitting around for weeks whining about how unfair life is. Your time will be better spent dissecting the management of one of the three worst campaigns I've seen since I first voted for Lyndon Johnson. The other two bad ones were run by Democrates, but this, my friend, is the worst.
It reminds me of a surprise fire-drill in a pre-school. Except, of course, they have a teacher to calm them down and lead them out. The McCain campaign has no one.
Yeah right, you fucktard! STFU... you don't know what you're talking about.
If there was somebody acting "presidential" on that stage last night, it certainly wasn't the cranky old coot staggering around like a robot. It was the calm and cool junior senator from Ilinois.
Wake up, all you right-wing idiots!
Last nights town hall meeting was small BY DESIGN... why? To keep it civil of course. Sure, McCain did HORRIBLY... why? Because he only does well in front of an angry mob. The perfect audience for any FOOL who has little to say. All he has to do is stoke an already hot fire and watch the sparks fly up and then congratulate himself... no folks, last night McCain had to actually show us what he was made of... enough said.
Well said... an angry mob with pitchforks and torches.... and maybe a couple of white hoods...
I think he feels he's being robbed of some birthright, by some "darkie". After all, he's old, white, out-of-touch, Christian and has a big chip on his shoulder. Tailer-made GOP-style president.
Hey, Boosh promised it would go his way in 2000. He just didn't expect Boosh to completely screw up the country on every single level. Tailor Made GOP style. Absolutely. Bought and paid for.
Oh, yes. I think the best moment of the night was when McCain referred to Obama dismissively as "that one".
It showed just how angry he is at not being perceived as the "mavericky" guy on stage. He was probably dangerously close to referring to Senator Obama as "that boy". If he had done that, it would have been his Greg Stillson "Dead Zone" moment when we all would have known that he was finished for good.
C'mon, McCain, all we need is one good slip of the tongue so that everyone will know about the real you and what you really think of Senator Obama.
One of the local radio talk show guys openly admitted how depressed he is this morning as a result of McCain's non-performance at the debate last night. Oh, how that warms the cockles of my heart. Nothing smells more like victory than that.
This has been my thought for weeks. John McCain would be pissed no matter who was running against him. It's his turn to be president, the culmination, he seems to think, of a long and illustrious career. The fact that it is being taken away from him by a very charismatic and intelligent black man is galling in the extreme. But, in truth, he seems to think that he should be running unopposed.
Link to the debate:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...mccain...
At 48:52, during Obama's reponse to a questioner about healthcare, McCain gets up walks toward the moderator and at 48:56 and 49:08 appears to be giving hand signals.
Why is he signaling and to whom? Brokaw? Grassy Knoll shooter?
October Surprise.
I expect Clannity to devote his full three hours to bitching about how the format was unfair. (And I'll try to listen--back in Orlando, sans progressive and satellite radio. Wish me luck...)
the format was crap and Brokaw was god awful, that is true.
but Brokaw was supposed to be in the tank for McCain
so McCain camp lost three debates in a row, now for the final one next Wednsday
McCain should be careful what he wishes for, if he gets follow ups, Obama will torch him
This was a poor format from the getgo. First, there were rules imposed by brokaw, then rules imposed by the mccainiacs. These rules stifled the traditional audience participation usually seen in a Town Hall format.
The audience was there mostly for show for mccain. After each question directly posed to him by one of the 'watchers on stage', he ignored the questioner and started wandering around the stage mumbling, as if afflicted by some form of pre-senile dementia.
The only time he showed anthing that could be termed relating to one of the questioners was when the retired Navy CPO asked a question. Then he got all friendly and ennervated thinking that he had found a 'buddy'. Too bad he didn't answer the CPO's question either.
Disgraceful performance by a beaten man - and I dare not even begin to write about his attitude towards Obama... I need to work today.
McCain is 72 and no one could take four years of listening to Palin's voice.
Arizona is where you go to retire.
He has more houses than he will be able to find his way home to.
He gets free beer from Cindy's family.
Maybe it's time to cut to the chase.
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Who voted WITH Bush 99% of the time? THAT ONE.
"Andy Bernard does not loose contests. He wins them. Or he quits them because they are unfair." -The Office
This format sucked. No follow ups....WTF.....and btw I think McCain is a huge p..ussy. For 4 days he has been going around the country calling Barak a terrorist, at least by association, but face to face, can't find the nads to say it. Go home John and take Sarah, Todd, and Cindy with you.
... it wasn't a format that inherently favors McCain, therefore it wasn't fair?
They're actually saying a level playing field isn't good enough - if it doesn't contain built-in bias for the republican, it's unfair.
I think people should refrain from participating in grownup discussions until they grow up.
Obama will again and again. It seems that the only thing republicans have been doing is whining and lying.
...will win...
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Me I thought the "that one" was the old farts way of referencing "the one"....for the benefit of the religious right
In a way, McCain is right; it wasn't a real town hall, it was stifled, stilted and boring - but he's in no position to complain.
Where does fault lie? The Democrats and Republicans.
They run the Commission on Presidential Debates, the corporation where they get together to fix the rules, and collect corporate donations through the Commission.
That's where the real problem lies; there is no independent arbiter. Everything is consumed by the two parties and corporations.
A start would be to scrap the Commission and let a non-partisan group organise the debates, with everything above board and transparent.
I agree with your last comment, the MSM should never moderate a debate, leave that to someone objective like the League of Women Voters who have a demonstrated record of success in that area.
Sure, sure......let a "non-partisan" group organize the debate. Let me tell you something we all know already: There is no such thing as honesty, and Non-partianship when you are a REPUBLICON operative.
CONE OF SILENCE, ANYONE???
BTW........wasn't that last question from McBottom-of-his-class's fan club touching??? Very creative way of getting another plug in for the POW thing..........never hear about the plane crash on the carrier that killed over one-hundred sailors, though, do ya now???
"First, there were rules imposed by brokaw, then rules imposed by the mccainiacs."
Not true. The rules were agreed to by both parties in the Commission.
The format shouldn't matter, though nothing we've seen thus far is an actual debate on an issue.
McCain comes off as fumbling and inarticulate, grasping his talking points like a life preserver. His body language reflects a serious disconnect - like the mile-wide grin when Obama called him on his 'bomb Iran' line - as well as visible disdain for his opponent, whom he still can't look in the eye.
It's not funny, John. It never was. But you're still grinning like this was a Beavis & Butthead episode. "Heh heh heh, you said 'bomb'."
Maybe it was unfair, certainly it was no townhall. What is was is exactly what you negotiated, nitwits.
What I saw was... they both participated in the same format: it was equal to both. That's what the GOP call biased: a fair contest (cuz their rude geezer lost.)
Maybe the GOP should take the advice of their financial genius Phil Gramm and just suck it up, whiners. When things don't go their way, these infantile crybabies complain that it's soooo unfair that they dont have an advantage in every situation, as if the world was made exclusively for them.
Guess what Republitards, you've tried to polish your turd of a candidate in every way possible---but you still have a turd. And you always will. Get a clue.
Who cares about the format? No matter the format, the candidates have to come up with a reasonably coherent answer to an unscripted question. McCain sucks at this because he's never practiced it. The only format that would favor McCain is a hand picked audience asking scripted questions. In the wingnut brain, this qualifies as fair.
You should put a link. The one in which all of John McCain's townhall meetings were packed with his supporters. Invite only or whatever.
It's true to say that McCain's body language is not good, and he could do better.
However, I am rather uncomfortable with derisory comments about him "shuffling around" etc, his gait, that I have heard elsewhere. He suffers from physical disabilities, is old, and it's decent to sensitive about these things.
mccain's age is a legitimate issue and the fact that the public has been told it's not polite to discuss is one of the greatest feats accomplished by the mccain campaign.
i remember when reagan ran for president. his age was an issue and it was discussed publicly.
mccain's age
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concern
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But he is not, he is running for the highest office in the land.
The "oh so concerned" people need to learn that respect is earned, not granted.
I would feel some kind of sensitivity towards McCain's handicaps if he was a decent honest human being, but since he chose to act like a total condescending prick, guess what? He needs to be exposed for the fraud that he is.
After all this is the prick that said in the debate that "healthcare is a responsibility." It will be a cold day in hell when I feel an iota of 'sensitivity' for an old geezer who has lived off the public tit for all his life who is none too happy to throw untold millions of people who have real disabilities under the bus.
I'm glad to see the republican penchant for speaking before pre-screened scripted audiences and acting like they're speaking to the 'people' as bitten McCain in ass. I mean McCain actually thought he'd be good at this, despite have little experience recently in front of a potentially hostile audience.
This is very true. I think the poor chap has deluded himself somewhat over this town hall stuff. He looked lonely. This fake election time populism the Republicans have been indulging in for years...
i happened to see a little of mornigjoe today
those water carriers are beside themselves he actually said:
in a Palin-McCain ticket people would stand in line for 5 hours in the rain to vote for them..LOL
imploding badly....PTL
I can't imagine anyone standing in line for 5 hours to vote for John McCain. That may have been true of the John McCain we all thought we knew back in 2000, but today's new and truly unimproved John McCain inspires neither enthusiasm nor confidence.
If someone would really stand in line 5 hours for him, I'd take a picture for posterity of an example of "the low-information voter" that the Republicans are targeting.
Its true if you keep in mind the people who are willing to vote for PALIN/mccain in the first place are brain dead.
The format was unfair to McSame because audience members were not allowed to shout "TERRORIST" or "KILL HIM" when "That One"'s name was mentioned.
"If you live by the sword, you die by the sword". I call that poetic justice, johnny mclame is his own worst enemy. Smear merchants beware, there's a new sherrif in town, and President Barack Obama knows your karl rovian tactics all too well, as does the American people.
Buh bye on November 4th neocons.
.. it's not the reslug's horribly unqualified, increasingly erratic and obviously sick candidate. It's not their complete lack of any direction in their campaign. It's not the fact that all they've got is hate, fear and smears. It's not that they're the party of corruption that brought the US and now the world financial markets to their knees with their criminal behavior and everyone knows it...
It's that whiney grampa mcsame wasn't given his open forum full of hand picked wingnuts to spoon feed him softball questions about non-issues and THAT'S why he ended up looking like a tired, stunned old man who accidentally wandered on to the stage while looking for a place to lie down.
Did I get that right wingers? LOL!!
my FAVORITE part of the debate was when it was over and all the people in the "audience" stayed where they were so that they too could shake the hand of the next president of the united states.
the debate itself made my ears bleed and my brain weep but watching obama go around the room shaking all those eager hands after it was over made the whole thing worth while.
mccain left -- it was past his bed time and no one wanted that old-man smell getting on them anyway.
The Greedy Old Party of Whiners will cry about anything but their destruction of our, and the global, economy that they have robbed and pissed on!
I think the debate was about as fair as it could be considering McSame could not see the timer lights and kept running over. Yet if Barack did it Brokow would interrupt him.
Reslugs will always be whiners, liars and bed wetters especially when the dumb-asses are getting their butts thoroughly kicked.
Let's go back to the debates being hosted by the League of Woman Voters. They had more substance.
Where I am from, the UK, two political parties would not be allowed to form a private corporation to fix the rules in their favour. There is something a bit dodgy about all that.
It's quite clear that you need a non-partisan body, or a regulatory body, that deals with these issues, and applies rigorous and transparent standards.
Obama isn't there. And the audience is vetted. And the questions are all softball.
You know, like a Bush meeting.
Walking around trying to upstage the opponent was on purpose - you could read the expression on McCains face to know he was up to no good. I wonder why the McCain's left so quickly!
McCain is NOT good at townhalls...that was spin.
The only town halls that McCain has done are all filled with Republican "fans".
So, yes, when the "townhall" is full of cheering Republicans...he hits it out of the park!!!
It is true. It wasn't fair. There was no one to cheer and laugh at his
inappropriatejokes. There was no one to appreciate the snorting and eye rolling that he practiced so hard. It really is unfair. He worked on that hairplug line for, like, 3 hours to get it just right and there was no one there to laugh.Re: GOP Whines About Debate Format: It Wasn't a REAL Town Hall
Wed, 10/08/2008 - 08:42 — Fanon
It is true. It wasn't fair. There was no one to cheer and laugh at his inappropriate jokes. There was no one to appreciate the snorting and eye rolling that he practiced so hard. It really is unfair. He worked on that hairplug line for, like, 3 hours to get it just right and there was no one there to laugh.
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Not even cindy?
Oh that's right, she was indubitably boinking Geraldo, their pool boy.
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That One
Wed, 10/08/2008 - 06:47 — Maggie (not verified)
Me I thought the "that one" was the old farts way of referencing "the one"....for the benefit of the religious right
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Oh, I thought that was for the sharp-shooters.
Where can I get a T-shirt with Bullwinkle holding a smoking rifle, and a trussed up sarah at his feet?
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I thought McCain seemed much more comfortable than in the first debate. The problem was he had nothing to say. "I know how to fix this." Well tell us John. How? You didn't so you lose. Have a nice retirement.
Any format where we're allowed to see and listen to Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain side by side is going to be "unfair" to Mr. McCain. He is simply outclassed.
If McCain doesn't win, does he get his soul back?
I'd love to have that on a bumper sticker. It would probably encourage all sorts of conversations on the parking lot at the super market.
Very Good.
I have been fortunate enough to live into my later life and one thing has been constant throughout those years. The republicans never have issues to discuss. They always depend on some majical dirty trick or lie to run on. They are the party of dirty tricks, smear, and fear. They are never honest and forthright about their policies to destroy government and the constitution. The party is made up of people who cannot think for themselves and who depend on morons like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to give them food for fodder. That party should try running on issues and thereby choosing someone who can relate to the American people for once. McSame is running on the same ticket Dubya ran on and is losing because it is a losing proposition for the American people. All this smoke and mirrors that the dingbat Palin is spewing is proof positive that McSame is not in the same league as Obama.
They were crammed only with his supporters and the questions were handpicked. Remember the librarian who was thrown out of his "town hall" earlier this year.
Confronted by non-Republicas, McCain stank on ice.
McCain/Palin group needs to take their toys and go home.....you are neither wanted NOR needed! Shoo!
I thought that this was why McCain WANTED Town Hall meetings....because he shines at them and is really the better speaker, and Obama stammers too much, and McCain's a POW, and he's more experienced, and, blah, blah, blah.
Face it guys, he's not doing well. And it's getting worse daily. The old excuses are beginning to sound just a little hollow.
Yes, I imagine the GOP will whine.. As someone else already intoned.. It IS all they have after that performance from their (boy?) last night... I listened to about an hour of this thing last evening... Right out of the box McCain was stilted, wooden, over rehearsed and poorly delivering and, as always, grasping to tie every question and Obama response back into a carefully woven GOP nariative designed to distract that he (McCain) was not actually managing very well.... He got a little better and a tiny bit more spontaneous and personable as he warmed up to the debate, but overall??? Weak, pathetic, weak and occasionally non-sequtur in his answers in that sense one gets when one asks someone what time it is and gets some kind of song and dance about the nature of the planet going around the sun....Hello? I just wanted to know what time it was dude... And I swear I read word for word some of his responses to some of those questions last night right here on this blog earlier in the day...Hours before he spoke them freakin word for word. What the hell is up with that!!?? At 70 plus years of age with all the memory issues associated with that situation, his coaches must have been pulling their hair out over this performance... I'v seen 4th graders deliver speeches that conveyed more spontaniety, knowledge of the actual subject in question verses poorly memorized rote talking points, and an ability to at least appear truly understanding of what they were talking about as opposed to overly coached in details they couldn't quite recall when they needed them... And his weakass attempts at humor???? fagitaboutit.....Not even worth a mention...
I wish I could recall the exact question he was answering because the fact I recognized the phrases he chose in response as something I had already read somewhere just blew me away.. That is just pathetic. That told me right there this fucker doesn't have an original thought in his head on any of this shit... If that's the best mojo they have for this old man... then it's already over... He's dun, stick a fork in.. The only wild card is the clueless 19 to 28% who would vote for a fence post as long as it had an (r) beside the name and a promise of a tax cut that in reality wouldn't have dick of an effect on their personal lives but does fall under the bankrupt philosophy they have swallowed hook line and sinker just because... well... Just because they were told to think that way by their daddies or mommies or whatever but what it really amounts to is they just don't want to think about anything but the next beer and nascar race... Fucking imbicilic morons, all of em.. Will these freakin mo-rons fuck this election up again? I don't know.... I hope not... If it was decided just on the merits of the two men running and the merits were in part determined by the debate of last evening.... Fuck folks.. it's game over, game over!!.... Obama would win hands down...But who knows about those people... I swear I heard it somewhere, that some cats were asked about the vp choices and they actually said they'd vote for Palin.. Why??? Because they think she's hot... Fucking HOT!!! Now that ain't exactly what I'd call critical thinking... Hot is fine, but not the kind of criteria ya ought to use to decide who to choose for a job that involves the ability to pull the trigger on a nuke war.. Like I said... Mo-fucking- rons....
After about an hour I had it all distilled down in my head... Let me run this by everyone and see if there is any basic agreement on this initial perception.. goes like this.. Moderator asks a questions.. And lets not even get into the fact that the alloted timelines for response was blown completely out of the water because they were both guilty of that bit of theater.... Let's just stay with the most basic jist of the perceptions as a listener...
Ahem... Moderator: Question...
Responses: response one... logic logic logic
response two... blather blather blather.....
I leave it to the reader to determine who was who... I know who I think attempted to use logic and I know who I think attempted to use blather... which is just a kinder way od saying bullshit! Now understand this folks... This is not so much a defense or a rah rah rant for Obama... I'm still basically a Kuch man... It's just an acknowledgement of fact and a sense of who did what last evening...And the truth is, all spin aside as an average American listening? Obama mopped up the stage with that old fart. That's what I got from it...JD
McCain/Palin group needs to
Wed, 10/08/2008 - 10:22 — yeah, its me (not verified)
McCain/Palin group needs to take their toys and go home.....you are neither wanted NOR needed! Shoo!
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In sarah's case, she better wash her toys off first, or they'll be followed home by a s**t-load of cats.
the formats for the first 3 debates has not worked well for MCLAME/PALIN, so here is their suggestion for the 4th and LAST of the debates.
Biden has to stay home.
Obama can attend but has to wear a thong, and an "i love OJ" t-shirt, with a ball-gag in his mouth.
Sarah is to be armed with a shotgun.
McCain gets to ask the questions, OBAMA is to nod yes or no.
Sarah is allowed 2 shots from across the room.
THAT... should just about even up their ability to debate.
Hearing the lying Republipunks complain about the Town Hall format is laughable, hypocritical, and absurd!
I guess the fact that Tom Brokaw's becoming a lying right wing Republican Lia McCain lover wasn't enough for them!
I am not only going to note Liar McCain's racist code phrases like "That One" and "Gold Plated Cadillac Insurance", not to mention that his right wing fascist racist hate hag running mate Palin incited one of her many righ wing racist supporters to say "Kill him!", for she incited one of her vile hateful scum supporters to try to kill Obama. More on Palin's racism canbe found at http://www.blackagendareport.com.
Regarding Brokaw, I am not only disgusted with his pro-McCain Republican favoritism, I amextremely disappointed. Brokaw used to be a decent, honest person. Lately, he's become a disguised Republican Hannity lite. It's offensive.
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