Woman Who Carried Open Gun To Kid's Soccer Game Shot And Killed
By Logan Murphy Thursday Oct 08, 2009 4:00pm
There are varying views on gun rights and gun control in America, and since Barack Obama was elected president, the right has been whipping up their fringe base, warning that the Democrats are coming for their guns. We've seen unprecedented displays of weapons outside Obama events in recent months and right wing violence is on the rise.
In this very ironic and tragic story, a woman from Pennsylvania who carried an open, loaded pistol to her child's soccer game was shot and killed in an apparent murder-suicide:
Meleanie Hain, the pistol-carrying Lebanon mom who received national attention for taking a loaded gun to her daughter’s soccer game, was shot to death Wednesday night with her husband in an apparent murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain was thrust into the national spotlight when she took a gun, in plain view and holstered on her hip, to a soccer game Sept. 11, 2008, at Optimist Park in Lebanon.
In a case that was sure to get a lot of traction from the right, Hain was in the process of suing the sheriff who revoked her gun permit after the incident -- even though her license was reinstated shortly after.
Hain then filed a lawsuit against DeLeo for $1 million in U.S. Middle District Court seeking reimbursement of attorneys’ fees and costs, emotional distress and lost wages.
"Just the fact that he was wrong is evidenced by the fact that my license was restored to me. ... I am a victim of Sheriff Michael DeLeo’s. I am a victim of those in society as a direct result of his actions as well. The way people look at me sometimes when I am out running errands, I feel as if I am wearing a scarlet letter, and really it’s a Glock 26." Read on...
I'm not trying to put Hain on trial here, but I disagree with her irresponsible actions in taking a loaded weapon and openly displaying it at a children's sporting event. I feel for their three children who were at home at the time of the shootings and are now faced with growing up without their parents.
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on this one.
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At least two nutjob-toting guns are off the street.
Why didn't she defend herself? What's the freakin point of packing a glock for protection at a kid's soccer game only to forget it when the despondent hubbie comes home from the tea-party rally?
at home she may have had some iota of maternal sense tell her that she might hit one of the kids.
I think it is so sad. What did they teach the daughter? If you don't like what I said I will take care of you bam. What a lesson for a child to learn. No momma and no pappa. Both were showing off carrying their guns and in the end they both look stupid.
if you're not prepared to use it.
isn't that their mantra?
This story isn't unique. In most of these cases, the gun owner is killed with his or her own gun.
Then why is it front page news? It is unique...all gun deaths are rare. I question why people commenting are focusing on the gun and not on the abuse...If this was done without a gun (stabbed, beating, strangled) would the same comments be made ('good for the gene pool'--'Live by the gun, die by the gun'--'irony')?
no irony. And if she hadn't been a newsmaking ass with a gun awhile back, this would not be news at all, because it isn't unique.
Umm do we have a second amendment saying we have the right to carry knifes, beat or strangle people? NO we don't.
Which would seem to include knives.
If she wasn't carrying how would she have defended herself? Carrying a gun doesn't equal safety. As a side note we had an incident here just a couple of weeks ago where someone pulled a gun at a kids football game after a fight broke out. There were armed guards on duty at the game also. I had no idea the county had armed guards at pop warner football but...now we have police officers at the games or the games aren't played. The world is getting to be a really nutty, scary place.
Talking to your boyfriend when you husband gets home can be hazardous to your health.
but I'm thinking she sued the wrong person.
Think of the irony. She was going to sue her husband for divorce and file a restraining order which would have made him have to turn in his gun...to which he flipped out and killed them both.
OK two tattooed giant headed inbred neo-nazi birther deather tea bagger
religious wackjob airport can sucking wife cheating whore mongering pro-rape gun-packing Beck,Limbaugh, O'Reilly loving Republicans walk into a bar. One walks out,the other ends up shot.
Ha Ha made ya look. Second amendment Rules Bitches. You're all gonna die.
You left out male child sexers.
Update:
The Gianthead Inbred neo-nazi Hillbilly Glee Club has offered to have a free 21 gun salute in her honor. Bullets Extra.
But if you flaunt guns around long enough, you're bound to put yourself in an orbit where something stupid and tragic can happen.
Anyone carrying a gun is in an "orbit where something stupid and tragic can happen", whether they're flaunting it or not. But then again, you're in that same place when you're behind the wheel of a car. It's all about _control_. Self control, above anything else.
That's got to make a difference, huh?
Guns have safeties and triggers that are given far greater levels of thought and concern by the manufacturers (save a few junk gun companies that I feel need to be destroyed) than the average person takes sitting behind the wheel of a car.
Every time you sit behind the wheel, do you think about the harm you could cause? Do you run through a "pre-flight checklist" in regards to your tires, your brake lines, your wiper fluid, your engine belts? No, you don't.
Every time a reasonable gun owner has their hand on a weapon, they go through a series of checks to make sure it's as safe as possible.
Thanks for the insightful post.
As a gun owner anytime a would be assailant attacks I'll keep my guns locked up and grab the car keys to run 'em over in the Jeep.
That's my plan for the coming zombocalypse.
To lock up your guns and throw away the keys or run people down in a four wheel drive?
BTW... What's a zombo?
4 oz. Bacardi Silver
1 oz. pineapple juice
1 oz. orange juice
1 oz..........................
Trust me, I study this stuff. You need a splash of Triple Sec and a wedge of tangerine. Stirred, not shaken. Little umbrella optional.
Sorry, missed this earlier.
Zombocalypse, when the living dead rise to take over the world. You know, Night of the Living Dead, 28 Days Later kind of stuff.
Thu, 10/08/2009 - 18:11 — TellarH2
That's my plan for the coming zombocalypse.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjp0EhQCFM0
Great tune!
"Every time you sit behind the wheel, do you think about the harm you could cause? Do you run through a "pre-flight checklist" in regards to your tires, your brake lines, your wiper fluid, your engine belts? No, you don't."
But I would add, how many of you have run an "orange" light, or done other stupid things in a car which might have lead to an innocent person or persons dying?
Not to defend gun nuts, but it's easy to see the motes in others' eyes....
I absolutely do think about the harm I can do in my car every time I drive it. I am not just saying this, I really do. I realize it is a weapon of sorts. I also think about the other things, except for the belts. If they are not making noise, I don't think about them. I see your point, though. What I originally meant was that once you fire a gun, you cannot stop the bullet. But even if you point your car at someone you are angry with, and you punch it, you can possibly brake instead of continuing to accelerate. You likely have time to react. That's all I meant.
Yes guns have safties.When Joe"My Other Gun is My Dick" goes through his pre flight check sometimes he might forget to check if "his brain is squirming like a toad".
If you want to make a bumper sticker to put on your pick-em-up truck be sure to send me some money, Gooooooober.
Hilarious "my other gun is my dick".
Actually, my Driver's Ed class stressed a 14 point checklist that be run through before starting a car. And yeah, I still think about that to this day whenever I operate a car.
Find me a reasonable gun owner and we'll talk. Everyone I've ever met who caries around a gun in their car, on their person, etc., does so just in case they get pissed off. I think I'll let my anarchist self here say: "Yeah, cops too. Especially cops."
As far as these two adults, it's two bad they are ineligible for the Darwin Award. And by that I mean it's rather sad that they reproduced before killing each other, and instead left behind 3 orphaned children. If it weren't for them, I'd be having a Schadenfrorgasm right now rather than having to be ashamed of my own thoughts.
And you have to take a test to get the license. A written test and a road test.
that therefore no one with a license will ever negligently kill with their car?
I guess you live in some rural area....try driving in a big city, especially one with 20-somethings with too much money for their age.
I'm all for guns into plowshares (or public art!) but since they're not going away, everyone who owns one should have to have 40 hours of training in how to use one safely, and go through a background check limited to criminal/mental health problems if any. Then denials could be litigated it none of those exist. Not ideal but what is---got a better (practicable) idea?
"Anyone who can pick up a frying pan holds death." But a frying pan isn't made for killing and neither is a car. Guns, on the other hand...
For a tool meant to kill, they sure don't seem to be all that effective at it compared to other possible ways for a life to end.
I call BS on the NRA "millions of crimes prevented thanks to guns" claim, but at the same time I -do- believe that -in the right hands-, they are a far better option than the alternative which is taking them -out- of the right hands and leaving them to exist only in the -wrong- ones.
It's not only naive, but stupid to believe that you can somehow wish every firearm in the nation out of existence, or pass a law that makes it happen.
The cliche "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." is no less -true- for being cliche.
Well, they won't have quite as many, as a great number of the guns the outlaws own were stolen from the gun cases of people who owned them legally.
Barring an overall ban on gun ownership, can we at least shut down those goddamned gun shows that are another great source of guns for outlaws, or would that make the NRA crap it's pants as well? Never mind, I know the answer.
Their solution to most every problem, whether it's the election of a President they don't like, an Iraqi dictator they don't like (but helped out 20 years earlier), abortion doctors they don't like, ATF agents they don't like (see G. Gordon Liddy), an Iranian President they don't like (but whose bosses they traded arms to 20 years earlier), a Panamanian President they don't like (but who they paid and assisted), and health insurance reform they don't like: kill a bunch of people. Oh, and then they cite Jesus along the way.
seems to be their motto, which is funny because they tend to be pretty anti-French for almost everything else.
the Cathar heresy, right...
. . . the Lord shall know his own. "Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius" If there's a better summary of fundamentalist dogma, I'd like to hear it.
So many try so hard to protect something and wind up having their means consume it all..
Sad...
The Paradigm needs to shift.
This is a fantastic musing!
Well Written, Sir/Madam. Well Written.
Late,
QSE32
Shades of Midas?
If the other person was armed s/he could have protected themselves? At the risk of making light of this, how ironic.
In other news, Arizona passed a law allowing guns in bars. That's gonna work out great. "You hitting on my girlfriend"? BAM!!!!
That is the dumbest shit I have heard all month...
Welcome to the "Wild West"
Well I guess we lost another genius. Now all that's left are the stump stupid ignorant hillbillys. Cheers.
we don't allow no stinking guns in Deadwood.
It is only the 9th.
Remember, any establishment can say "No guns" and it's legal. If a bar feels like its patronage might have a problem in that respect, it can put a no guns sign on the door and it's legally binding.
If a bar's frequented by cops, it might not be a problem.
ANY privately owned property can be designated a gun-free zone by the owner, at least as far as any state laws I've ever read nationally are concerned.
Then the bar has to disarm the armed and possibly drunk patron. Still not good.
No, they ask the person to leave. You don't disarm someone. If they're going to be there with a gun and won't leave when they're asked, you have someone with criminal intent on your hands and are supposed to call the police. It's very, very simple.
is good behavior and observance of the law.
sees the barkeep starting to dial the phone, well, no need for concern, that'll calm him down, huh?
I live in Arizona and play music in bars - but we're not taking anymore bar gigs thanks to this. (I hope)
Senators Kyl and McCain voted to protect rapists today and now drunks can carry their special friend with them when they wanna get drunk and rowdy.
We're concentrating on coffee shops now. The tips aren't as good but we'll be less likely to be blown away.
You're going to have the chance of that problem whether or not guns are legally allowed in a bar, though.
Making it legal, but posted as not permitted by the owner of the establishment changes -nothing- regarding any potential risk.
What's easier to dodge? An angry drunk charging at you as you try to dial the police or a bullet?
case closed
Late,
QSE32
... and the patrons are only wired, rather than pissed.
but in practice I'll let you handle it
Ummm excuse me Mr. Giant Encephelus Head Pointy Hatted Inbred Gun Toting Corn Nut Teeth Neo Nazi Meth Snorting Cross Eyed Hillbilly, would you mind leaving the bar? OK. See you tomorrow. That would probably work.What could go wrong?
I'm also bulletproof on the internet. I've got a full head of hair, as well.
Umm... and just who enforces this No Guns Sign?
The same people who enforce the laws that say "No guns in bars." now.
If guns aren't allowed in a particular venue, law-abiding people don't bring guns. If someone does it -despite- a law, or venue's refusal to admit people with guns, they're lawbreakers.
A sign saying "No guns." in a place that -can- allow them, will not increase risk by magically summoning crazed rednecks who bring guns that they wouldn't have before the law changed and it's just stupid to assume so.
until all of these jackasses go tell their jackass friends about how said establishment is infringing on their second amendment rights! then before you know it you got an "angry jackasses with guns" convention at said establishment
Just wondering... What kind of gun would Jesus tote? I see him as a rifle man, myself! but he could be a pistol packer! Just with the long hair, and all... I always think of that video of Bin Laden looking through that scope and associate that with Jesus.
Late,
QSE32
Go ahead, find me one example of open carry protesters causing trouble at a private establishment that doesn't allow guns inside. And I don't mean just protesting on the sidelines near the site, I mean -brandishing- a weapon or making threatening remarks.
Go ahead.
I'll wait.
You want us to do your homework for ya?
Good One!
Late,
QSE32
It's your fallacious argument, you get to be the one finding out how dumb it is. I already know.
Here ya go no time at all on google.
http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-open-carry-1...
Let's not start with your specious argument...If you don't see it it's not there! based on that logic apparently my computer wards off polar bears since there are no polar bears around me
LOL
You make me giggly!
"until all of these jackasses go tell their jackass friends about how said establishment is infringing on their second amendment rights! then before you know it you got an "angry jackasses with guns" convention at said establishment"
Your link was just one d-baggy guy complaining loudly, which is a lot different from what you described as the problem.
Also, there was no brandishing or threatening involved.
And for the record, many gun stores have the same rule. My regular store has a sign posted saying no loaded weapons allowed inside except for CCW permit holders. It's not uncommon.
Now you wanna split hairs?
Late,
QSE32
I asked for a specific sort of example, that matched your original complaint and you gave me something almost completely unrelated.
I'm done feeding the trolls for one more night.
eating as a troll.
Nighty night hope you don't get shot!
Late,
QSE32
The majority of deaths with firearms are attributable to family members.
Right alongside beatings and rapes.
"he majority of deaths with firearms are attributable to family members..."
...that do a lot of drinking together.
That must be coming from FoxNoise.
What an odd thing for a woman to become a martyr for.
Guns. Just so freaking wierd.
Couldn't help saying that. My father was a Chicago cop for thirty-two years and he forever stressed the responsibility of gun possession.
I remember an episode of Barney Miller that stayed with me since the 70's.
Detective Chano Amangual got caught in a situation where he had to shoot someone. He killed the bad guy. He seemed confused because he never had to shoot anyone on for 12 years on the force and suddenly he was a hero to populace and cops alike. Barney gives him the rest of the day off to relax.
The episode ends with the detective crying at his dinner table in his small dingy apartment.
Oddly enough, I saw that one again just a couple of weeks ago. I wish more people would understand its significance (and its accuracy). Here's a man that's trained to handle this, handled it correctly, and still is suffering under the weight of his actions...
Live by the sword...said again.
If the left uses this as an example the right will screech about politicizing a tragedy.
I was wondering whether said woman had the gun for protection from her husband, but I'm not getting that so much from the article. Just mainly 2 volatile people that are into guns, enough to openly carry one to a children's event. Thanks goodness the kids didn't get the brunt of this as seems to be the usual case.
Both parents taught their kids a lesson about guns.
Those kids got an up close and personal lesson they'll never forget.
Let's hope it sticks.
I imagine one of the kids will inherit the gun and treasure it always as a fond memory of Mom. They can keep it under their pillow so they can sleep soundly at night. And when they grow up they can pass it on to their kids. If they live long enough.
but why am I not surprised that this woman is from the same town as that 9/12er woman named Katy who lectured Arlen Specter at a town hall meeting about waking a sleeping giant, meanwhile she showed Lawrence O'Donnell she knew nothing about anything involved in this debate?
I bring Katy up because I am reminded of the idiots who bring guns to town hall meetings, and the idiots who defend their fellow idiots by saying it's OK for them to do that because it's their legal right. And I'm also reminded how I've tried to reason with wingnuts that just because you *can* bring a gun somewhere, doesn't mean it's smart or a good idea. This woman is a tragic example of that.
Live by the gun, die by the gun.
You can quote me on that.
Obviously thought she was Palledin - Have Gun, Will Travel.
In her case, your quote is more appropriate.
I feel most sorry for her children - to lose both parents to gun play is a lesson they didn't need, but will never forget.
A bullet doesn't know the damage it causes, but the person doing the firing knows EXACTLY what damage a bullet can do.
Guns kill people and the people using the guns are usually doing the killing.
I remember shooting a bird at my Cousin's farm when I was a kid and how disgusted I felt after the fact.The poor thing was hanging off the barbed wire fence by one wing and the gun in my hand felt heavy with the weight of my own guilt.No guns for me thanks.
I tried dove and deer hunting with brother and uncle in VA- alright for thee but not for me.
I couldn't take the guilt and I had not even hit anything yet. Shooting old cans for target practice was ok to me but not shooting a living thing.
I didn't feel comfortable with the killing.
My brother is a fishing guide and lives on an Island off the coast of British Columbia.Him and his wife raised two kids up there.
He shoots a deer or two once a year and recently had to shoot his old dog Sheila.I don't hold this against them because it's kind of a necessity but most folks these days really don't need to have guns around.I would never own one again.
I know someone named Sheila.
http://www.johnpacker.com/photos/westonbirt/s...
There's a really great Northern Exposure with this as the story arc.
Joel kills a Grouse ... He is all excited to have nailed it, but it's still alive... and he tries to save it... but he can't.
Joel: "The killing was the best part. It was the dying I couldn't take."
Only about a 1/2 hour from where I live. I guess what I don't understand is I rarely, if ever, see stories where a crime is prevented because someone had a gun on them. What I do read about, frequently, is family members killing each other, accidentally or on purpose, with firearms. The argument I hear is well, if they didn't have guns, they'd strangle each other or stab each other. Possibly, but guns carry a certain psychological trait that distances the user from the action. A very sad story. I feel so bad for those kids. I can't even imagine.
It's much easier to kill someone if you have a gun than if you don't. And it usually takes less time. When you write about how lopsided the stories are that you read about, it's because people kill their own "loved ones" with the guns in their households, i.e., crimes of passion, much, much more frequently than they kill criminals in defense of themselves and their homes. The passion without the gun (and the extra time it takes, when police may be on the way from a 911 call) just isn't nearly as deadly.
has a column called "The Armed Citizen," with little vignettes of how law-abiding gun-toting persons have saved life or property.
I'm not for the NRA. I think it's a commercial enterprise to encourage people to fear losing their guns, and it's for the financial benefit of gun & ammo makers. I've not totally figured out why so many people, esp. males, are so deeply fascinated by guns, but it's got something to do w/their being penislike and their ability to kill from a distance. Must be some primeval thingy.
else they would have been runners up to this year's Darwin Awards.
The poor kid is yet another victim of this insanity.
about their guns being taken away, their Free Press -which has done more to protect freedom than a million guns- has been methodically destroyed.
Don't forget Freedom of Speech under the patriot act.
I'm just sorry that they reproduced and kept their genes in the pool. Why do people this stupid reproduce?
What do you prefer in the pool
Baby Ruths?
That would certainly be an improvement. :)
Goobers and Billys
Goobers and Billys
Packin their guns
They give me the willys
I ain't afraid cuz I got a gun too
I kin shoot them and they know it's true
You might think I ain't tellin the truth
But I swear on my one rotten tooth
Mess with me and I'll mess with you
I'm protectin my sis and our daughter Sue
Goobers and Billys
Goobers and Billys
Packin their guns
They give me the willys
This story makes no sense. Was there some reason this woman thought it was necessary to carry a gun to a soccer game? By the way, I recently found out that a friend often carries a gun with her, but it's concealed. It makes a little more sense, just so you don't freak people out.
Either way, it's sad to hear of her dying. I didn't get a clear indication from the article about which parent was the murderer and which the suicider.
Not that it matters, I guess.
Maybe if we had universal health care, we could get mental health treatment for people who need it.
should have carried guns to the game in the first place. Just like the people who justify bringing guns to town hall meetings, or to church, they are not using their heads!
Don't you mean they aren't using their Giant Malformed Meth Addled Racist Goober Heads? I think that's what you meant to say.
Shades of United States v. Miller.
Suspected bank robbers Jack Miller and Frank Layton sued claiming their sawed-off shotgun they owned contrary to the National Fire Arms act of 1934 was legal under the 2nd amendment.
Before the Supreme Court handed down their decision, Jack Miller was shot to death by Frank Layton.
when you've got a gun you can always have the last word. Guess Layton won that argument?
....her family.
Murder is never right and it's a shame her gun didn't protect her from her husbands gun. That being said, children have never accidentally discharged a gun they didn't find in a house with no guns. The chances of accidentally shooting yourself without a gun is practically nil. Guns make it easy to kill,if her husband lost his temper and wanted to kill her without a gun he would have had to get close and personal, guns are to impersonal.
according to the NRA and other like minded organizations/people:
"...it's a shame her gun didn't protect her from her husbands gun."
This sentence does not exist. Nothing can happen to you if you have a gun!
Late,
QSE32
and comments like yours only give ammunition to the right wing, because out of 100 appropriate comments, yours will be the only one they'll focus on.
Food for thought.
Just couldn't help myself...But in defense they could take anybodies comments here and chop them up to be even more innappropriate.
Late,
QSE32
You're late
Who shot you?
...Nobody
Late,
QSE32
Guns don't kill people. Enraged Fox News watching Rush Limbaugh listening wingnuts do. I guess we should give her as much sympathy as a wingnut would give a black person killed by gang violence.
"I guess we should give her as much sympathy as a wingnut would give a black person killed by gang violence."
You mean, none? No, we should be nicer than that.
exactly. Can you imagine what OxyRush Limpballs would spewing across the airwaves if this happened to a black family?
the audacity to register their fellows to vote, I don't think I can even imagine the flip out that would ensue.
"I feel for their three children who ...are now faced with growing up without their parents."
You think they had parents to begin with? And I thought I was an optomist!
Late,
QSE32
Yeah, growing up without a gun welding Annie Oakley winger for a mother. How will those children get the moral direction they need to be responsible adults now? So long as homo couple don't adopt them!
Guns can be very dangerous. They are designed that way.
High emotions and guns don't mix. Alcohol and guns don't mix. Psychosis and guns don't mix.
There's a reason for gun laws. You don't treat your gun like the family pet.
High emotions and impaired thinking do not mix with firearms, no. Possession of a concealed firearm should be handled just like a driver's license. If you're drunk and have a concealed firearm, it should be treated like a DUI with a revocation.
However, since the second amendment does codify the individual right to bear arms according to the current stance of the Supreme Court, such revocations should result in only temporary loss of carry rights in my opinion. Require people to take classes in safety with an emphasis on when it is or isn't appropriate to carry.
Teach someone when and where it's appropriate to carry? If anyone carrying a gun has trouble determining when and where it's appropriate to carry a gun they have no business carrying. If someone is that stupid and lacking in judgment it's criminal to allow them access to weapons.
Welcome to the first argument in second amendment debate club.
"What should be required to be allowed to own a firearm?"
Traditionally, a criminal record clean of felony convictions and the age of 18+ (less in some states) are all that have been legally required. Period. End of story.
Recently, mental illness has been used as a measure. Is someone, for lack of a better term "crazy" as defined by being in a mental institution? If yes, then they can't have a gun. This is a far more recent addition to the law, and only exists in some states.
As the law stands, all a privately owned location has to do is post a no-guns-allowed sign, and anyone who's stupid enough to violate -the law- by doing that, can be arrested. And please, let's keep the "B-b-b-b-b-but that just means they're MAD and armed!" arguments in the thread further up the page that already has that going on.
Here, let's stick to what should be required.
I believe people should be required to take a safety class in order to possess a handgun. Rifles and shotguns, not so much. However, this is a state-by-state issue and it -should- be. In Nevada, as long as my record is clean I can walk into a gun store and buy whatever I like as long as it's not fully automatic or a silencer. And those I can get if I go to California and fill out federal tax paperwork and pay $400 for a non-transferable tax stamp. And in Nevada? I think that's appropriate.
The purpose of the gun is clear, it's to kill or destroy it's target, whether it's another person, or tonight's dinner.
A car gets you from point A to B to C
Or even 3rd base (if you're lucky).
Actually I do know someone that treated his gun like a pet. Ended up shooting himself in the dick. It was an accident. Good news is he didn't have any ignorant goober kids.
That sounds like a man that should never own a sheep.
In spite of the fact that I find myself shaking my head at every other comment you made on this thread, you win teh internets.
And you've probably made ysbaddaden very jealous.
badly for the kids. This is something they should never have been subjected to.
and their "parents" dying too, kinda sucks!
Late,
QSE32
They say apparent murder-suicide, but it doesn't really tell you the circumstances at all. If she was carrying openly because she was afraid of her husband and he managed to kill her and didn't have a concealed carry permit, it's a tragedy. If she shot the husband and then herself, and was just an open carry advocate with an extra helping of "crazy and unstable" then it's tragic AND incredibly stupid.
I suspect they're keeping the details quiet for the sake of the kids, but the lack of information makes this a difficult case for either side of the gun rights debate. It would be crass and heartless for EITHER side to use this as a talking point unless the details come out.
You saw how well the open carry helped her...Let's advocate more of this!
Late,
QSE32
"... I am a victim of Sheriff Michael DeLeo’s. I am a victim of those in society as a direct result of his actions as well."
Yeah! Right on, girl! You tell 'em! Don't accept ANY responsibility for YOUR brainless actions of taking a loaded lethal weapon to a CHILDREN'S sporting event!
I can't stand when stoopid people (right, left or center) refuse to take responsibility for THEIR stupidity. It's too bad about her family's tragedy but that part of the story hit me harder than anything.
The mind of the open carry advocate is a very odd beast. I'm pro-gun but lean heavily against the idea of open carry, simply because the people who tend to be activist in that regard _scare_ me. Not because I'm afraid that they're going to pull it out and shoot someone, but because I'm afraid they're going to make every reasonable gun owner in the country look like THEM in the eyes of the rest of the nation.
I have no need to openly carry a firearm, nor do I feel concerned enough about my safety to get a concealed carry permit. But I do enjoy knowing that I have the freedom to do so if things warrant it, such as a national disaster in my region. I just hope these people don't screw it up.
I have a gun at my house. For protection, safely put away where only I know where it is.
But carrying a loaded weapon to a kids soccer game is perhaps the most appalling thing I have ever seen in regards to this subject.
My daughter is grown now, but I went to her sporting events and I can't imagine my reaction seeing a parent with a loaded visable weapon anywhere near my kid. I would take my daughter away ASAP.
The problem is that these people who feel they should be able to openly carry a firearm anyplace, anytime, anywhere such as a children's event like this are extremists. I don't want these people representing my right to bear arms.
I dislike _all_ extremists. You could say I'm pretty extreme about that.
Rifle Mcshoots-a-lot above you here, You would figure she would've sued her husband or restraining order or something... but based on her going after the sheriff instead using her newfound platform to openly draw attention to her husband that was potentially trying to kill her, I'd say everything was fine in land of that 2nd amendment household.
Late,
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Fuck that ignorant ****.
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Or should I have just got a gun to blow them away?
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c*nt
If you make guns the center of your life, you unnecessary have a gun as an option in dealing with a life crisis.
I mean who wears a gun to a Peewee Soccer game. I'm glad these people weren't evolved in a Little League Baseball game parent fight. The umpires would have to be wearing Kevlar vests.
Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. - Jesus Christ
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