Peter Frampton Takes A Beating From Global Warming Deniers On Facebook
For many areas of the U.S. and other areas of the globe, this winter has brought some brutally cold temperatures and plenty of snowfall. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had to endure the "So much for global warming" comments from our more gullible and lesser educated friends and family.
Well, legendary artist Peter Frampton decided to risk Facebook Suicide by posting reality-based global warming messages on his page -- and now faces the wrath of the deniers in the process.
It all appears to have started on January 9th of this year when Frampton posted "What is this - global colding?" and from there, things started heating up.
Ever the well-spoken gentleman, Peter responds with dignity:
Mr. Frampton, who is working on a new CD at the moment, says that people have abandoned him on Facebook and other sites because he is intelligent enough to understand that global warming is a reality. If you use Facebook and would like to show your support for him, you can do so here. Stick to your guns, Peter!
It's global colding and WARming . . wit a cherry on top
Plus, my wife just sprouted an extra row of teeth, my heating bill is $6,000 a month and my 12-year-old weighs in at 250 pounds and is stuck in a booth at the food court.
In other words, situation normal!
;)
significant number of Americans are sick of watching cash laden cargo planes pass overhead on their way to gated CEO compounds in Zurich and Dubai though!
When you meet a denier, ask them this question:
"Is this normal?"
Too hot, too cold, too dry - the weather's abnormal. That's why we're having problems with climate change.
nature isn't going to adapt to us.
is the ultimate liberal....
and I love the fact she does not negotiate....
WTF is Humple Pie? I saw Humble Pie with Steve Marriott and Peter Frampton, not Humple Pie.
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or Poison Bird Pie?
I love Humble Pie... at least, all the songs Marriott sings.
Still don't know anything about Humple Pie though
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it sounds vaguely... sexy?
other than Bon Scott, Steve Marriott is the greatest frontman I have ever seen.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Between climate and weather, you're not allowed to talk about climate change. The fact that it's cold in January doesn't prove that global warming is a myth but it does prove that your expertise on the subject is.
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I would have been a lot less tactful.
Glad to see Peter is speaking up about Global Warming. I think those who don't want to listen to the consensus of experts on the topic take an opposing view simply because they believe this is a liberal political platform. Therefore they must take an opposing view just as the conservative mouth pieces have Rush, Hannity, and on and on. Therefore it must be a liberal hoax or conspiracy. So their minds are closed to even considering the evidence, no they would rather listen to John Coleman who pulled 30,000 alleged scientists out of ass to sue Al Gore which never materialized.
For those who think it's a fallacy, that NASA and NOAA don’t know what they are talking about. They should consider; never before has the earth had 7 billion people (and exponentially growing) in a largely industrialized world all using natural resources at unprecedented levels. What makes them think we are not having an impact on this planet? It’s only plausible at bare minimum to consider we are.
The solution to other problems as well
Ironically the best way to fight terrorism would be to aggressively pursue alternative fuels sources. Doing this would create jobs, give the US an exportable good in high demand, and we would stop funding regions of the world identified as terror hot spots while reducing our military presence in these parts of the world. Now why didn't right wing think of that?
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Occupation by a foreign force is preeminent motivation for terrorists to commit acts terrorism. Israel, Iran, Ireland, Vietnam, Afghanistan (both US and USSR), etc. Countries projecting force into other sovereign nations or cultures (usually to extract mineral/monetary wealth) results in resistance from the occupied country's citizenry.
When confronted with this argument, conservatives frequently respond to opponents with accusations of being 'terrorist sympathizers.' The argument that the terrorists "hate our freedom" is actually correct. They hate the freedom and impunity which occupying nations use to keep the local citizens pinned under their boot heel. If colonial England had the media savvy we have today, the London Times (which, okay, didn't start til 1785) would have accused the colonies of harboring terroists.
they don't listen because after being teabags
they become douchbags
"I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had to endure the So much for global warming" comments from our more gullible and lesser educated friends and family."
Cool. Can you share with us the formal education you've received specific to global climate change? Great! The fact is that 99.99% of people discussing this topic have no f*cking idea of what they're talking about. People on the left say yes. People on the right say no. blah
To believe that there are billions of galaxies and trillions of stars, yet there are people who deny that and they are largely the same people who deny climate change or indeed science of any kind. Science denial isn't a partisan thing, though some partisans have tried to make it so. My own discipline is cancer research but I can read and evaluate published papers from respected people or I can believe that people with zero science background and/or a vested interest in denial of the evidence have a valid opinion. I choose the former and despite my own lack of formal training in climate science, I'll take climate scientists' word for it, along with my own evaluation of the evidence long before I'll listen to Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck's rants on the subject. Science is not an "opinion" as you seem to suggest. In fact, it is exactly the opposite.
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on science every day for many things we now enjoy ranging from medications, technology, travel, history, archeology, weather reports, geological warning systems (volcano eruptions for example), water purification, and all sorts of modern conveniences yet... when it comes to something scientists tell us is dire we don't want to hear such as global warming.
Well, it must be a lie, that can't be, surely they have it all wrong, what do they know? They must just be greedy for grant money.
O_o
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
than hell in the northern hemisphere, and hotter than hell in the southern...somethings up.
and free methane gas from the tundra lakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1liqk9UQNAQ
Yes, we feel like you do!
Is being at least partly caused by the Gulf Stream being out of it's usual course. That should be scary to anybody with a brain as disrupting the oceanic thermal convection system has caused many climate disasters in the past, including some mass extinction events. It is also EXACTLY what climate change scientists have predicted. Just because such interruptions in the past have been natural doesn't mean they can't be caused by anthropogenic activity. In fact, that should illustrate to anybody who can read how fragile and thus easily disturbed that system is.
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there are many factors that tally into what is called global warming. there's the 11 year sunspot cycle, which impacts how much solar radiation the earth receives, there's also the associated maunder minimum which has been known to cause mini ice ages, in addition as pointed out above disruption of the gulf stream by dilution of the salt water by melting glaciers in Greenland would cause the gulf stream to fail plunging Europe into a Siberian winter.
the point is, there are many, many, contributing factors in addition to man made greenhouse gasses.
some factors such as the maunder minimum tilt the global climate colder while some such as man made greenhouse gasses tilt it warmer. supercomputers have just recently gotten to the point where they have the capacity to deal with these analysis. as a scientist, i eagerly await the outcome of these computations.
the answer lies in the scientific arena, not the political.
As I pointed out in an above comment, science is not an "opinion" no matter how much our media and punditry try to make it so. It is also not partisan though some misuse science for partisan purposes. Science must be predictable, verifiable and reproducible. I don't see political anywhere in that description.
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I got SLAMMED by my borhter-in-law and his bunch of monkey-mates. About twelve of them were SNARKING over how embarrassing it must have been for Al Gore that the Stockholm conference (on Global Warming) took place during a BLIZZARD!!! which of course proves that WARMING is a hoax. I wrote that they were all uneducated FOOLS... and of course I took a cold shower of their insults for the next two hours. One CRETAN from Atlanta insisted that TRAVEL does NOT make one smarter... the fact that I have hiked on melting glaciers in Alaska and have personally experienced the intrusion of salt water into fresh water systems in Central America only proves that I like to BRAG about traveling. Then he called me a complete IDIOT for talking about how last year was THE HOTTEST SUMMER IN RECORDED HISTORY here in central Texas! THEY ARE ALL CLOWNS!
They always go on about any cold weater....of course ALWAYS in the US or Northern Hemisphere...and conveniently ignore the record-breaking hot summer in Australia, and the fact a stuck High pressure system over Greenland caused this arctic blast into the US. Nope, it's all about the politics. I think climate change is mostly caused by them and their bags of hot air and other noxious gases they spew out their mouths, but that's just my opinion.
... I remember, was driving through there on the way back from Austin. Them yahoos have some short memories if they can't remember that.
If only the deniers would get it through their thick skulls that the planet isn't a potato baking in an oven. It still orbits the sun, still has an axial tilt, so will still have seasonal changes. The weather has been getting more and more extreme (hotter summers, colder winters, odd weather during the wrong time of year). The polar ice melting is cooling the oceans, making the weather more extreme. Maybe if the deniers would pop their heads out of their asses for a breath of fresh air, they might learn something.
I've noticed from the deniers is "man can't really affect his environment"
ignoring city heat sinks, the great wall of China, innumerable man-caused extinctions, desertification of rain forests man has burned to the ground, etc.
We are currently in a mass extinction event that is entirely anthropogenic in nature or what do people call extinctions of animal and plant species due to over hunting, fishing, exploitation and habitat destruction? We have lost several species daily over the last century and while that may seem an awful long time to us, it is less than a blink in the entire Phanerozoic Era of 550 to 700 million years. Right now, the loss of species in the last century rivals the middle Miocene disruption and it is heading toward KT extinction territory.
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it's frightening how many humans are deluded, and proud of their delusions.
Never realizing that it's more like a brand than a badge. It's more like a scarlet letter than it's like a tin star.
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Obama caught so much heat for saying some people "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them." And yet that's exactly what has happened. David Neiwert's contributions to this site illustrate this repeatedly. Some Americans have such a deep-rooted sense of pride/entitlement/exceptionalism that they will engage in misguided activities which run in direct conflict of their best interests.
Global Warming is emblematic of what conservatives do to issues they want to discredit. They find whatever scinitlla of evidence - usually not credible - boil it down to convenient talking points, then amplify and broadcast it from every outlet in order sew the seeds of doubt.
Unable to argue with the overwhelming number of international scientists & scientific institutions that have hard facts that PROVE global warming is occurring, their next step is to discredit the sources of this information. In this case they cherry-pick stolen emails to advance an unprovable argument that global warming is a hoax perpetrated as part of larger liberal conspiracy.
When you can't disprove the source, impugn the source. The same tactic was employed when people began questioning Bush's prosecution of the war on terror: those who questioned it were labeled unpatriotic.
Unfortunately the Right employs this tactic very effectively - especially because so many media outlets uncritically repeat thier rhetoric.
Grayson seems to be one of the few progressives who is turning this technique against the conservatives. If only the Democrats could retrain their ranks to grow a pair and return fire with a disproportionate response...
I was going somewhere with this whole thing, but the iceberg that broke off Antarctica and ran aground on my car has me a little distracted right now...
amounts of time and energy and has only one small flaw. It doesn't work. Tea partiers armed with baseball bats and megaphones get results.
Political activism does work. It's been proven to work. The problem is that the regular folks have a hard time sustaining the tremendous time and energy required to affect change. We all have 'real life' issues that compromise our ability to stay in the fight for prolonged periods of time.
I wonder if the teabaggers' ability to mobilize and energize effectively stems from them being completely off their rocker. I have witnessed mental illness up close, and it's frightening and even impressive what crazy people can do when they fixate.
A more concerted activism works over the long-term and tea party loud screaming may only work for a short period of time.
It is the difference between a Klan burning cross rally and the years of marches and debate about racism. The cross burning may rally some immediate support, but over time people will see if for what it really is.
I did a movie with Peter Frampton. He's a musical genius, but I don't listen to his stuff. So I had to continuously try to draw attention away from the fact. "Hey Peter Frampton! Do you like toast too!? Yes, as do I, it is warm and crispy... and the perfect place for jelly to lay. Now stay the fuck away from me Frampton, I ain't got shit to say to you!"
Awkward....
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Frampton Comes Alive!
Right on, Peter. You've been tilting at those windmills since you were a kid. Good to see you haven't gone to the dark side.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
from most of your post it seems you are in Frampton's camp, but the adage you employ is akin to calling him a fool.
I dunno but after reading that it seemed like Jay's comment was actually a friendly disagreement, given how it ended in "love your music ... don't sweat the politics." Framps seemed to take offense and interpreted as name-calling.
Believe it or not, in my world calling someone "silly" can actually be a friendly thing. I kid you not.
During Frampton's image-driven rise in the 70's I could have called him any number of names, but in the end I always liked the guy and considered him very talented. In any event, after this row I will probably try to friend him on FB and pose his very simple question to my own friends there.
Hotter hots, colder colds, more storms, bigger hurricanes is the new norm. Global warming means more energy in weather systems which means we get more extremes, and in all of this, yes, the average global temperature will go up.
and start calling it what it is:
Climate Chaos.
Exactly....
Who cares.
That was not a question.
is NOT what many are calling Global Warming - we humans are IN FACT using up, polluting or literally destroying all manner of flora and fauna necessary for our long-term survival on this planet.
We're sucking out all the fossil fuels out of the ground, burning them and polluting the air, which makes it kinda' hard to breathe for many, which is also acidifying the oceans, which kills the tiny plants that the fish we eat need to survive, screwing up the genes in our food crops, fighting over fresh water supplies, creating and trashing all manner of crap that we can't dispose of, which is now creating a floating continent in the Pacific, and we have more armaments per person stored around the globe that if the temps do go up.....we may all blow up!! #;}
So, if you (or your relatives/friends/colleagues) can't believe in global warming - you can certainly figure out that all the aforementioned stuff will make Earth pretty much uninhabitable by us in the next couple centuries. I guess everyone can agree, we must be the most intelligent species.......
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
To Peter: You can't speak the truth to idiots, because idiots will never listen to you (mainly because by definition they are idiots). So don't bother. Stupid people will always fiercely defend their stupidity. Yes, I'm referring to the flyover states and deep south; the tractor drivers.
that humans can have an effect on the environment...
should go down to their local creek, stream or river...
and dip a cup and take a drink....
to deny global warming is like pointing to your Uncle Stewie, who smoked 2 packs a day and lived to be 90, to deny that smoking is hazardous to our health.
BTW, it's been unseasonably warm day after day here in SoCal.
the good news is that Global Climate Change will kill the stupid people too. so that's good...isn't it?
I am so sick of the fact that we live in a retarded nation. Why is it that we don't embrace education? Science? reality? - Why must we have a population that supports big business above all common sense?
"Stick to your guns, Peter!"
I thought we were anti-gun too.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
peter frampton.
no pun intended.
At least Peter allowed commenting...Simon at Pajamas just locked me out for posting critiques of his science and conclusions and journalism. I may have used the word 'hack,' I admit. Their purposes clearly aren't scientific, if they eliminate the negative.
PS what was the content of the deleted posts above? Always makes me nervous to see conversations moderated...I hope they weren't just anti-warming ranters. We shouldn't try to shut them up; we should entertain their claims. Unless they're just screamers, I suppose. Still makes me nervous.
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The distinction between climate and weather is just too subtle. "But, but, but it's been really cold THIS WINTER [here]!!" And the mind and conversation is closed. Can't talk philosophy with a pig and a large percentage of the American public are just plain stupid.
Of course, it has been really cold this winter for us. As Thom Hartmann noted yesterday, Australia is having a record hot summer. It's highly unlikely that most of the people who buy the "cold winter this year" argument even realize there is summer going on somewhere in the general direction of "south" that can be analyzed.
..page. I wish there was a political correct, user friendly way of smacking the stupid out of global warming deniers.
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Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
Is civilization doomed because of man-made global warming? You've been told your carbon footprint could lead to skyrocketing temperatures, melting ice caps, dying polar bears and "superstorms."
But there is another side to the story, and you can see it on KUSI this Thursday night.
KUSI meteorologist, John Coleman, has an amazing story to tell...Join us on Thursday, January 14th, at 9pm, Pacific Time, for the special report that will explode the global warming myth!
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/81...
I think I will watch!
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Logan-thanks for the heads up-just became a fan.
Love the guy and his music!!!
LuLu
I have been waiting for someone to mention the cold winter much of the northern hemisphere (north america and Europe) has had this year. Average temperatures are clearly up and some ice and snow has fallen in some pretty weird places. I have been waiting for some climate change denier to claim this is proof that climate change is a hoax.
However, the real story is that average temperatures in the arctic in some places are 15 degrees above normal. So colder in the south and warmer in the north. We should be concerned about this as the warmer temperatures in the arctic will result in a quickier melt of the ice pack.
The reason for this weather dynamic this year is that there is a high pressure mass sitting over Greenland, which is deflecting thhe cold air of the jet stream much further south than normal.
See this very good NYT article that explains the entire freakish weather we have had this winter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/weekinrevie...
There is also a difference between climate and weather. Climate change is the concern, not changes in weather. Climate change is causing much more volatile weather; ie. swings in drought, precipitation and temperatures. However, average global air temperatures and ocean temperatures continue their trend of climbing. 2009 was the 5 hottest year on record. That means 8 out of the last 10 years have been the hottest on record.
If you meet a denier and he says that the weather proves global warming is a hoax, ask them if they know the difference between weather and climate. Point them to this link:
See: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/noaa-n/clim...
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