Barney Frank Introduces Legislation To Decriminalize Marijuana
(Massachusetts Congressman Barney) Frank has filed a bill that would eliminate federal penalties for personal possession of less than 100 grams of marijuana.
It would also make the penalty for using marijuana in public just $100.
"I think John Stuart Mill had it right in the 1850s," said Congressman Frank, "when he argued that individuals should have the right to do what they want in private, so long as they don't hurt anyone else. It's a matter of personal liberty. Moreover, our courts are already stressed and our prisons are over-crowded. We don't need to spend our scarce resources prosecuting people who are doing no harm to others."
Frank filed a similar bill last year, but it failed.
The law passed in Massachusetts last November.
Given the general timidity of the majority party and the hay that most certainly would be made by the minority party, I don't have much hope that this sensible and long-due bill will succeed, but more power to Barney Frank.
nature's way of saying i love you.
is my way of saying I love nature,
there, I just loved me some nature, just now.
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for this thread, funny how passionate people become when it comes to legalizing what can aid them in mellowing out.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
for making a choice that has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with you.
And I can't wait for you to pontificate about something of which you know nothing -- oh wait, that's all your posts.
me-oww!
Getting high is less painful, Vegas.
led you to this blog commenting addiction?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
of course.
And rocknroll...
Bush, not the one you burn, the one that should have been.
Mrs. Harris taught me typing in 8th grade. She also confiscated my Lipsmackers because it smelled like cola. Bitch.
on this thread. This post count will zoom well past 200 without my help. People around the world can die in horrific numbers, war, torture, our constitution can be burned, but for some reason people seem to care most about their pot. LMAO!
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
or to alleviate pain when nothing else works, it is pretty important.
Nice of you to "LMAO!" at people who pretty much feel awful 24/7 even with pot. And say their needs aren't important. You are laughing at the misery of ill people.
You'd be a better fit posting at free republic. You are pontificating about that which you know absolutely fuck all.
And because I want pot legal, I don't care about other issues? And you're judging that based on where I put my posts?
Asshole much, do you?
me-oww!
But I'm not sure you're getting the jist of the thread...
It's not about getting high...it's about stopping the MASSIVE waste of taxpayer money that is the "War On Drugs"..and stopping the needless incarceration of millions of people.
Why shouldn't an adult have the right to get high if that is what they want to do?
not JUST about getting high.
And I agree...
...one joint at a time....
all it takes is all of us
Frank said: "It's a matter of personal liberty." So it is about getting high, or about allowing people the medication they need to survive chemotherapy, or using hemp for a zillion things.
Also, Nicole's "Duuuuuuuude" also suggests she doesn't take the issue too seriously. A little shortsighted, I think, considering the implications of decriminalization.
thanks NOYK
I'm so glad you pointed that out. BILLIONS of dollars could be saved, although I would not like it if we gave it all to the auto industry, instead of the "drug war." Scorpio20
When people were slamming Obama for not pulling troops from Iraq.
When people were slamming Obama for not invesitgating the Bush administration.
When ever Cheney and his daughter are on TV and getting labeled as traitors.
When Scott Roeder's act of terrorism was universally derided here.
You sir can STFU! and GTFO!
But when your shoes are tied together and the house is on fire... first thing you have to do is untie them so you can MOVE...
The Prohibition of cannabis is WRONG..
It is symbolic of almost everything that is wrong with the direction we are heading.
Its only OK to decriminalize... It is TIME to LEGALIZE..
Why should anyone receive a $100 dollar ticket for having something less harmful then a 6 pack of beer??
Right Vegas. I demand my right to get stoned-out-of-my-mind 24/7, and then some. Maybe even intravenously while I sleep. Smoke the stuff, east hash brownies at work, and munch out 24 hours a day.
I care nothing about politics. I've been coming here for four years just waiting for this very thread. It's all that matters to me.
PS Should we try Prohibition again? Booze is the right to 'get mellow' too.
far left loon >.<
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WE HAS TO NOT TALK ABOUT TEH TOPIC OR WE PROVE THEM RIGHT!!! EVERYONE....HIDE!!!!
OK so I'm breaking my promise to make only 2 posts here, I'll post a 3rd and final one because this too funny and yet quite sad. These are all the topics covered today down to this post, and the closest runner up was only able to get 1/2 the posts Barney and pot did. Odd because many here say it's about medical reasons and yet this thread easily beat out two other threads that talk about health care issues. People here can't I flooded this thread with a lot of posts, I only made 3. So many people here with legitimate medical needs and just causes, it's not about getting high, ROLMAO! Liars.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
nobody really gives a fuck what you think. go to some other party, you are boring....
Some things bring people together in positive ways. This is one of them. It gives people a chance to blow off some steam and get to know each other.
But of course you don't get it. You're the same guy who's tried to drum up discussion with the same old Austrian Economics bullshit again and again. You don't get it, and you probably never will.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
This is my 2nd and last post here
Tue, 06/23/2009 - 08:35 — VegasRage
on this thread. This post count will zoom well past 200 without my help. People around the world can die in horrific numbers, war, torture, our constitution can be burned, but for some reason people seem to care most about their pot. LMAO!
me-oww!
I just wanted to say, you nit the nail on the head with your comment, and I also agree with the replier who stated how good it would be if the US didn't spend so much money on the "drug" marijuana. There are just too many "dangerous" drugs, like meth, cocaine, etc. that REALLY need to be eradicated, and the extra money would be helpful. Marijuana IS green. Indeed!Scorpio20
ME TOO!!
Be wise; vaporize! (^_^)
I prefer my one hitter.
Looks like a cigarette, and I can ditch it if have too, and not worry about it.
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Dude, don't bogart this thread.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=376s1ZXjAiU
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End the 'war on
drugs' minorities completely.statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
war on drugs = big business....bust it up
Is if he decriminalize growing it too. Otherwise we are going to raise the demand and that will have to come from other countries, and that's a problem.
the fundamentalists in this country gotta be flippin out on how the big scary leftists are taking "their" country away from them. there has to be a sociological end to hipocrasy.......these freedom lovers sure love to opress a lot of others freedoms.
alcohol=legal
marijuana= illegal
makes absolutely no sense
unless you like the violent realated deaths
and chasing after the boogeyman for "creating" those deaths
and waving that flag for re-election
in this and all debates, we gotta stick to our guns but put ourselves in the perspective of the opposition. thats the only way to change peoples minds.......we'll never get anywhere by calling them gun loving red necks. common sense IS inside all of us, for those easily swayed by emotion (reason for the right's propoganda machine) if we approach calmy we'll have a better chance at changing minds. the stoner jokes are something they just dont understand and feel left out, so of course they want to smash it.
I'm FAR more comfortable leaving a gun with someone stoned on weed than someone drunk.
I've read criminal law cases where someone had one drink too many and shot someone. Can't say the same thing about weed.
...a guy who had one too many tokes and started shooting his mouth off. Does that count?
he might have just been an asshole....just saying :P
i have yet to hear of anyone getting stoned and deciding to beat their wife and/or kids or commit murder etc. only real threats seem to be chronic lung problems from smoking and obesity due to mass quantities of fast food, cakes, chips, ice cream, etc etc etc.
alcohol is basically a slow and contolled self-poisoning but its safe because its legal and its legal because its safe [/sarcasm]
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/0...
I like the part about how, if the patron is carrying a concealed weapon, s/he won't be permitted to drink. (How will someone know?)
will they know if someone breaks the current law and is carrying a concealed weapon?
Chances are if someone will break the new law and drink while carrying, they will break the current law and carry in the restaurant anyway. So all the current law does is prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves while dining out, unless they want to eat at burger king. Look at the shooting in Texas at Lubys. And watch the video of Suzanna Hupp who wasn't allowed to carry in a restaurant there. Listen to her talk about watching her father get shot while she watched, and about how the gunman killed her mother while she cradled her dying husband in her arms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbnSrD5O8d4
Yes intoxication(of any kind) and firearms don't mix. But as a responsible, law abiding citizen that is licensed to carry a handgun. And living in one of the 39 states that allow me to carry into a restaurant and bar for that matter, if I go out for dinner and the restaurant serves alcohol and I'm not drinking what is the big deal?
Hell on fathers day my family took me to a nice restaurant for dinner, and yes they serve alcohol, guess what, I had my sidearm on me. Was I drinking? Honestly yes I was, I had one drink with dinner, but it is lawful for me to do so, did I get drunk and shoot up the place? Nope.
Innitially I offered a comment saying that it won't work unless users can grow it here, but I have the need to say that I STRONGLY OPPOSE IT unless it can be grown here. When the demand for some products clearly kills a bunch of kids from third world country (yes it's true, yes it happens, yes it's factual and yes, I've seen it with my own eyes and know people who lost their kids to drug wars). This will require a major overhaul in the law, not bits of legislation until we get there.
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Is if we get rid of the pasty white conservatives from the south, all the 172 year old politicians (or those who act as one) and some Democrats with a pair of balls and not afraid of the people who believe the myth of pot. In other words the chances of this happening is one in a billion.
is intended to be a factual statement
America isn't ready for common sense legislation such as this. Thanks to the back water bible thumping hypocritical moralist in the red states. The south is an anchor on this nation holding us down.
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29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
Refer brownies?
Then God said, "Until Monsanto comes along and calls all seeds their 'Intelectual Property'."
flora among the "good" ones to keep it interesting...
smoked a fatty of Skunk #1
... he wouldn't have been such a dick.
maybe we should get him to puff every now and then, the feller sure needs to chill the f*ck up. IMHO.
I'm not sure if I understand your reference.
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It's easy.
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I hear that alot of prisons are run by privates corporations. Do they lobby congress? Follow the money and watch c-span? Expect opposition from tobacco, pharma and oil.
Odd...those are the same SOB's that had marijuana criminalized in the first place.
The oil industry effectively killed hemp farming in the US.
chemical...nylon was just invented as the hemp industry was rolling right along...pun intended.
...really a pun as you could smoke a ton of hemp and wouldn't get a fly high.
so you tried that too, huh?
made me cough.....
all it takes is all of us
..because of the effect on workers or it had something to do with the hemp (that is not C. sativa) that is used to make rope and clothes.
This is an argument I used to fight. I don't fight it anymore and I've forgotten more than some remember.
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Keoni: "NOT NOW MICKEY!"
the two biggest influences on the criminalization of marijuana were the repeal of prohibition, they needed something for all the people they hired to enforce to do. And William Randolf Hearst influence, as he owned very large tracts of woods used for the production of paper and didn't want the competition from hemp paper.
Current pressure includes those who want a nanny state, and pharma and oil to a degree. Pharma for the most part imo. Tobacco would just make a profit off of it like they do tobacco, they would grow and package it, and all ready have the equipment to do so.
Not marijuana per se but the controlled narcotic list (in which marijuana is included) was part of the aftermath of the sudden death of popular silent movie star Wallce Reid from a morphine overdose in 1923.
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I hear Dick Cheney has money invested in the incarceration industry. War profiting by killing people and locking them up is one thing right wingers know how to do well.....which is pretty much it.
That walking pile of elephant crap makes money off of putting people in prison? That guy has a shitty apartment waiting for him in Dis.
The whole medical marijuana thing passed in California, with our huge ass prison guard lobby here, you never know...
Maybe if the prison guards stop toking and munching they wouldn't have such huge asses.
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They also lobby hard to prevent marijuana from being legalized.
Marijuana grows far faster than trees and can be used to make fabric and paper, cheaper and with less environmental impact than wood.
won't like the competition.
After how many decades of marijuana being labeled the Gateway Drug which will lead any and everyone to heroin, legalizing it will take much more balls than our current old crowd in DC has.
Another generation, and a few hundred thousand of people in prison and labeled felons, and it will be done.
The kids start on mother's milk then they're hooked on Ben and Jerry's.
The percentage of people I know who started smokeing weed and moved on to coke, oxy (which I like to call the Limbaugh Special) and other harder stuff is much less than the percentage who stayed content with weed.
It's a dumbass's argument that's like saying "oh if you start drinking beer, you'll eventually move on to drinking moonshine."
That's the question.
How effective was Swiftboating? How effective is all the lying the GOP does?
Reality and hyperbole being what they are...and our elected officials not knowing the difference...or having the guts to state what is fact.
...that the GOP lies their asses off. The real problem is corporate owned media that doesn't want, or has been told not to, challenge the lies or go find the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXjrntGFFC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baeogHddsK8&fe...
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into the 'gateway' possibility has proven that it is not. But this info has been buried and the government just went ahead and did what it wanted (and lied to the people to justify it).
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-mari...
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewanswer...
Some pro and con. You can decide, but notice who is pro and who is con.
Who have personal experience with this stuff.
What I want to see is a study from a social perspective that people can understand and not some medical science jargon that the average voter isn't going to understand. I worked for a video game company doing software testing, and good portion of the test team were tokers in their late 20s. Now using the government's and the GOP's logic they should have been all crackheads by then.
has already been debunked by the Baby-Boomers . . . many of whom are hugely successful, having smoked marijuana for some 40+ years with no apparent ill effects.
Why does the thought of decriminalized marijuana strike such abject fear in the hearts and minds of the Neocons and their followers? What exactly is it they are afraid of?
Another tool in which to demonize their opponents with.
It's all a game to the Neo's - "team" loyalty to the end. Meanwhile, legalities have no bearing on their personal habits, which quite probably include the finest weed money can buy.
They just object to people having fun, I think. They like to stick on their tiny little pedestals of what's acceptable behaviour, and it does not encompass giggling and munching goodies. And besides, people who toke up might also want to have s-e-x.
Not the dreaded "S" word! That activity which the unwashed masses can enjoy as well as the elite (who most certainly deserve more than they) . . . that activity which cannot really be made better by money and power . . . Oh Noes, not THAT activity!
Very funny!
The knuckle-dragging regressives are going to loose their tea bags over this!
I hate loose tea!
I'm a repub, and I agree that MJ should be legalized. One of the few things I agree with Barney about.
most of my republican friends are enthusiastic pot smokers.
make them Libertarians? At least that's what my toking repub friends are calling themselves these days.
at least not anymore, but I do lean libertarian.
but they're registered republicans, and they get higher'n lab rats.
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That booty hole symbol keeps popping up.
Go Frank! Don't give up on this.
If only these Republicans were as afraid of endless expensive wars as they are a bag of weed.
The far right has no issue spending money on wars and imprisoning people (to a point, they would rather reduce the cost of incarceration, but not how many they incarcerate). What they hate spending money on are children and things that benefit society as a whole.
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I hate are children in general and rather embrace our children, as long as they're not screaming at the to top of their lungs unsupervised in the Supermarket by people (who should have had their genitalia removed before being allowed to "procreate").
I'm not sure it's possible, but it would be nice if we could stop dismissing this as an issue that JUST matters to stoners. While i guess you think the Duuuude thing is funny, it really doesn't help the cause. It annoyed me to no end when Obama quipped about "the type of people surfing the internet" when he dismissed this very real issue during that net town hall.
Let's assume that Obama was honest during his autobiography. If he was he's done FAR more illegal drugs than i have. My illegal drug use consists of trying marijuana twice, about 20 years ago. Yet I'm for legalizing drugs and he isn't?
The ONLY reason why he ever made it to Harvard or to the Senate or the Presidency is for one simple reason: he never got caught. Yet, hypocritically, he would continue to ruin other kids lives who might be just as talented as him who just weren't so lucky.
Decriminalization will take a long time. Serious discussions are often preceded by nervous jokes and humor but people may come around.
Now. Let's talk about GW and Neil Bush doing lines at Camp David in the 80's.
First, all the white haired guys need to leave government.
(UPDATE: Kudos to Mr. Frank! I so love this guy! Sometimes it seems like he is the only one actually sticking up for real Americans.)
Second, young people need to have the balls to go against 70 years of scare tactics (e.g,, the Gateway Drug).
Third, there is tons of money in housing prisoners (and pimping them out for slave wages). Not only do the companies running prisons get paid to house prisoners, they have them work for virtually no wages which brings in more money for prison companies.
Another generation is my bet.
Have the balls to ignore all the scare tactics. About 95% of people I knew in high school had smoked weed, and at least 3 of my teachers did when they were in school, and oddly enough they were the teachers who were always able to get though to the problem students.
The thing is though, those young people don't care about what happens in D.C. they're not the ones voting in the congressmen.
Young people came out in droves for Obama. It remains to be seen how many will continue to participate.
I hope it *started* a trend and wasn't just a single event. I think they realize it is their life, too, and they have to have a say in it. I HOPE!
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I couldn't count the number of people I've worked with in my professional life that are "recreational" users, or whatever you want to call it. Hardly criminals, and, as you pointed out, could have their careers ruined if caught, or at least tarnished. I hate the stuff, but offer me a single malt scotch...Wouldn't the fast food companies want to support such legislation, LOL.
I've seen some stuff, man. And some thangs...
The potato chip companies and Domino's would be supporting it.
Otherwise Domino's wouldn't be palatable.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
I have never smoked marijuana, nor have I done any drug that wasn't prescribed to me. With that being said, we could save a lot of money (upwards of around $125 billion a year combined Federal, State & Local) and we could help our neighbors to the south by removing the need for drug cartels if we only legalized, regulated and tax at least marijuana.
Of course, there are those who have issues with any government regulation or tax, let alone legalizing something that was once prohibited.
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It's an herb plant. If you've ever drank a cup of chamomile tea then that's pretty close to having smoked a puff of marijuana. And some teas you can buy at your local grocery will get you more of a buzz then a cup of marijuana tea.
Will really get your head spinnin for about 30 minutes.
Fresh catnip tea will give ya thirty minutes of head-spinning followed by a full hour of licking!
;)
when you have to lick yourself.
me-oww!
Funny ladies!!!
And no...no fun licking oneself...at least not at first.
once you get all loose and limber...perhaps I've said a bit TOO much...
Move along! Nothing to see here!!
I feel giddy with glee!
After a cuppa catnip squeezins...
aaaah...nevermind...it involved taint and hairballs...
Sheeesh...my mind's in the gutter today.
Given the sexual proclivities of the GOP these days, not to mention the vast array of comb-overs, dye jobs, and toupees...
Taint and Hairballs sounds like a snappy name for a blog.
I like the way you think!
I second that, where I went to high school the police staked out the only entry/exits and pulled over every kid going over 25mph. If you weren't on the football team they would search your car. If they found a seed that any of your carpool friends could have left in there, they took you in for that. A seed. And after that your life is pretty much ruined. The ones with over 48 grams, that's a felony, all before your out of high school.
That being said, let's get the stuff legal for medical use and then move on to decriminalization, I don't think one can happen without the other.
Geez. I grew up in liberal Canada in the 70s. Many times I was in a car that got pulled over by the cops while we were still smoking the stuff. They never said a thing.
I remember once rolling down the window and a cloud of pot smoke hit the cop right in the face. He didn't say a thing. He was looking for someone else, and moved on.
They just didn't care. They only went after "big time" traffickers.
far left loon >.<
For Christ's sake this is just common sense, common sense being something that too many people seem to hold in contempt. Weed is good. It's been hard for me to find it these days, especially with the inherent risk of penalties that are draconian, all the more so for Americans who had the bad sense to be born black.
I am a 55 year old white male (with the mindset of a 17 year old, I'm happy to say) and I've partaken of the killer weed for 41 of those years. It used to be recreational, now it's medicinal. I have peripheral neuropathy, and the only analgesic found to be effective for neuropathic pain is weed, and not just the chemicals therein...smoked weed. This was from a study reported in the journal Neurology which I believe is a publication by Lancet in the UK.
will never give up a tool for incarcerating it's citizens.
The whole medical marijuana thing passed in California with it's big ass prison guard lobby, so you never know...
Maybe if the guards toked and munched less they wouldn't have such big asses.
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Suddenly, Barney Frank is my favorite congressman.
I'll tell you this though, I've smoked up my fair share, and some of your fair shares, plus been piss drunk on multiple occasions, and been around people who were high and people who were trashed. Marijuana is FAR less destructive than alcohol. In my experiences, I've never seen someone on weed get violent or get into an auto accident, can't say the same thing for 100% legal alcohol. Like Dave Chappel said, you won't be crisp, but you'll function.
And all that stuff they say about it making you fail in life and all that is bullshit. The only time in my life I ever got a 4.0 in school, I was getting high almost every other day.
"The only time in my life I ever got a 4.0 in school, I was getting high almost every other day"
That reminds me of a funny image of my not-yet-then wife, pre-med at Georgetown, studying organic chemistry in the living room of the hippy den we lived in as the bong was being passed around the room. She never failed to take her turn at the pipe...
She gave it up in med school, however, and she frowns on my use now.
Yeah I don't smoke anymore either, I had to give it up my junior year in college when I decided to go for law school. Still, I don't have anything bad to say about it. If I had kids I'd rather they become stoners than alkies. Not just because weed will ultimately put you to sleep (after you eat everything in the kitchen) whereas not even God knows what you're going to do in the middle of an alcoholic black out, but I've taken a few alcohol and drug addition classes, and what alcohol does to your system is far worse than what weed will do. You will not get withdrawal symptoms that can kill you with weed, can't say the same thing about alcohol.
... I almost got my head chopped off when she was reviewing for her boards and she couldn't take a "smoke break" like she used to when she was in undergrad.
Besides, one of my personal heroes... Carl Sagan was a heavy pot smoker. Anyone arguing that pot makes you fail is full of manure.
some of my smartest and most successful friends are/were avid pot smokers. They are doctors, lawyers, nurses, etc. They are also good parents and spouses.
... being able to chill the f*ck out sometimes is an invaluable asset for successful, intelligent, hard working people.
the ability to get "outside yourself" and look at the world from a different perspective . . . something from which many of our uptight talking heads would benefit greatly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeXlri4OxPY
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The bill could pass and be harder to argue against if you argue it right, by focusing on the cost/savings benefits from decriminalization (most notably, making the drug trade less profitable, reducing crime and saving lives).
And "taxing drug use" might actually be the one tax increase Republicans might actually go for (try arguing AGAINST taxing drugs).
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
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When I worked in The Netherlands, I unfortunately had to fire someone because he had probably a kilogram or two of pot, found in a company car! The cops came, and they didn't know what to do with it. We think they took it and split it up amongst themselves for a big party!
..and certainly not the first time its happened nor is it just limited to the Netherlands. Our local constabulary used to do it all the time.
Going to a coffee shop in Amsterdam for the first time last year was a trip though.
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I lived in Den Haag....if you ever get there, try out Creamers, right in the Centrum....excellent, classy coffee shop!
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Where is that? A google search appears to show it is in Den Haag. It's been 5 years since I've been back.
Westeinde 86.
Found a map on the internet. Have to check it out next time I visit!
By the way, there's a small and very eclectic bar near Nordeinde Palace which I used to go to. I want to say the bar itself is on Nordeindestraat, but it probably is on one of the streets running parallel to Nordeinde. I know that's not much of a description, but would you have any idea what I'm talking about and what that bar might be called?
You're making me yearn to go back for a visit!
I asked my dutch partner and he said there are so many upscale shops around the palace...can't narrow it down, lol. Try searching (google) bar noordeinde den haag. You might find it on the list.
I asked my dutch partner and he said there are so many upscale shops around the palace...can't narrow it down, lol. Try searching (google) bar noordeinde den haag. You might find it on the list.
The more I think about it, it is on one of the north/south streets parallel to Nordeinde, and close to the north end (closer to the palace).
There's an east/west street just south of the palace. It has a number of nice restaurants, including Gauchos Argentinian steak house, an Indian restaurant, and a place whose name I think is the Dutch word for green bean....something like "Haricot Vert." The street with that quite small bar is perpendicular to this street and not far from it.
Again, it's been a few years since I've been there last, so that bar might not be there any more.
Anyway, thanks for checking...I liked that bar a lot. I think it was the first time I ever had Genever....hard stuff to drink!
One last question...I miss living in The Hague...one of my favorite restaurants was Bij Mij....after working very late, I'd often go there for dinner. Do you know of this place and if it's still there? It was over by the church right in the Centrum.
The Irish pub...it is right on the corner by the Indian place (and watch out for those damned trains! The tracks are where people walk, as I know from experience).
There are so many cafe's in that area you can't miss them. None are sleezy, all have the feel of a friendly coffee shop.
Enjoy!
Yep, I remember the Irish pub all right! I worked in The Hague for 4 years, from 1998 to 2002. Went to that Irish pub often, especially with some of the English/Scottish guys I worked with during football season!
You do have to watch out for those trains! I was in the middle of Den Haag (centrum) several times during the world cup games in 1998, when The Netherlands went quite far. I remember one particular victory....the locals went outside and mobbed a train, rocking it back and forth....thought it might have tipped over!
Bij Mij is no longer.
That's a real shame. I really liked that place....I think the guy who owned and ran it was named "Eric."
They always treated me real well. I'd go in there quite late after work, a time when many Dutch restaurants closed, but Eric would stay open for me and often would make things off the menu.
That's too bad.
Think I found it....pretty sure it was "De Oude Mol," on Oude Molstraat.
I liked that place....and I think I perhaps might have had my directions messed up a little in my last post.
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