Face The Nation: Rep. Heather Wilson Hates Reality-Based Discussion
By Nicole Belle Sunday Oct 05, 2008 12:05pm
I often wonder what it's like to live in the simplistic black-and-white world of your typical Republican bobblehead. Are their brains truly this unable to process nuance? Take, for example, Rep. Heather Wilson (R-NM) who is only too happy to categorize (with host Bob Schieffer's enabling, bless his Republican-loving little heart) Barack Obama as unpatriotic. Why? Because at his speech in Germany, he acknowledged that there have been errors in America's foreign policy.
SCHIEFFER: Well, that sounds like you’re saying that he’s somehow unpatriotic, which seemed to be the underlying theme of what she said yesterday, Congresswoman.
WILSON: Well, he has talked down about America and you know, we’ve always had this history of saying, well, politics ends at the waters’ edge. And it didn’t for Barack Obama. He’s been critical, not only of the President, but of American policy and has kind of a negative view of the American world. That’s not unusual, frankly, among liberals in kind of post-Vietnam America to say that America is the problem. I think Sarah Palin believes that America is part of the solution. We are an exceptional country, we are a force for good and we need to talk about the good things we do.
Sigh. Look, I love my kids more than life itself. I think they are incredible, beautiful, smart children that make me proud to be their mom everyday. But even that primal, ferocious love I have for my kids doesn't prevent me from seeing that they are also impatient, impulsive and occasionally bratty. It doesn't blind me to their failings and I'm not a terrible mother if I acknowledge the areas in which they could improve when they have done wrong.
But apparently, in Heather Wilson's (and Bob Schieffer, let's not forget he is the one framing this as such) world, what I should do is let my kids be monsters outside the house and then ignore others who suggest that they could exercise restraint, blaming them for not recognizing their inherent goodness.
Tell me, how is that acting in their best interests? And this is what Heather Wilson thinks the President ought to do on a national scale?
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60% of the world doesn't like our policies.
Aggressive War
Torture
Supporting the racist theocracy that is Israel
And this is not talked about much...we are an EXTREMELY violent society
we have more murders, rapes, and incarceration than all European countries
combined.
But I love the US!! If you really love the US you wanna fix it, not put makeup on it!
60% is being too generous.
.
USA!!!
USA!!!
HOOWAH!
Now STFU and pass the bombs.
"Supporting the racist theocracy that is Israel"
Anti-semitic asshole.
If you want to debate Israeli policy, you have every right to do so, and to be sure, there is much to legitimately criticize.
But when you start using hyperbole to deny Israel's right to exist, you cross the line into Ahmadinejad country - thereby showing your true racist colours.
Thanks for clarifying.
Russell, Russell, Russell....
Opinions: Everyone is entitled to theirs, regardless of bias. When Leadership made the comment, "Supporting the racist theocracy that is Israel", you responded by referring to the poster as an "Anti-semitic asshole."
It may be true that Leadership is anti-semitic, but from my point of view, I don't come to the same conclusion as you, regarding your other opinion about him/her. That shows us your bias.
Regardless, what isn't clear is how the statement ("Supporting the racist theocracy that is Israel") denies Israel the right to exist. I don't see how Leadership's opinion that Israel is a "racist theocracy" equates to a denial of its right to exist.
Could you clarify that?
"Supporting the racist theocracy that is Israel" was posted on a list of evils that the US engages in. So clearly the poster feels that the US should not be supporting Israel at all. Perhaps I am heading down a slippery slope, but the only reason I can see that one would feel that Israel should not be supported is that one feels that Israel should not exist.
And when someone refers to Israel as a racist theocracy there is only one logical conclusion that can be made, and that is that the person making such a statement is anti-semitic. As I said, there is plenty of legitimate criticism that can be leveled at Israel regarding their foreign and domestic policies, especially as it relates to the treatment of Palestinians. However, this is a FAR cry from being a racist theocracy - a title that could rightfully be applied to any of the 40 odd Muslim countries in the world.
Take a look at the rights and freedoms of non-Jews living in Israel compared to the rights of non-Muslims living in any other country in the Middle-East.
It is this type of double-standard that makes legitimate debate on US-Israeli policy impossible.
I do not assume that anyone criticizing Israel is automatically anti-semitic. In fact, this line of "defense" from Israeli supporters infuriates me, as is lessens the impact of real anti-semitism. But by the same token, true anti-semites hide behind this defense when they are called out for their racism by claiming that all critisism of Israel results in being labeled an anti-semite, when in fact they are not criticizing Israeli policy but instead Israeli legitimacy.
You are right in that I am reading quite a bit into a single sentence, and it is possible that I have misconstrued the poster's intent. And if that is the case then I apologize.
However I don't think so, as in my experience, what was written in that one sentence more often than not reflects the writer's true feelings.
Ward, don't be so hard on the Beaver!
I wouldn't touch her beaver.
Yeah, it's probably full of bats.
Yep. You nailed it, Nicole.
In New Mexico, I've seen Heather Wilson cling more and more to black/white rationales while claiming to be a "moderate." People throughout the state didn't buy it in the primary. Most "liberals" who voted for her in the past knew she'd shifted entirely into Bush's camp (except for the child healthcare bill) and the many of the Republicans here have become rabid conservatives in the new definition of the word.
Steve Pearce is far worse than Wilson. He's right there at the table with Palin, though I'm not sure he's a six-pack kind of guy, and will be guaranteed to vote against any progressive agenda whatsoever based on purely knee-jerk, anti-Democrat sentiments.
That's why I'm so delighted that Tom Udall is running against him.
For the first time in a long time, I have races where I'm actually voting FOR candidates rather than against others.
Yep. I love in NM also and am SOOO GLAD to be able to be part of the Heather Wilson exit!! Such a snake in the grass. We have a panel of wonderful folks to vote FOR this November--Martin Heinrich, Tom Udall, and Obama. Republican policies have wrecked the US.
Wasn't she in the military at one time? A general retired? Not sure anyone know?
US support for Suharto, Marcos, Noriega, and yes Saddam Hussein (among many many others) are now acknowledged even by some conservatives as whopping errors in foreign policy. Bush got all holy about it and claimed he would no longer engage in the realpolitik that supported the instability of a unpopular dictator, all in the name of some supposed STABILITY. (Never did figure that one out)
But when some rightwing nutjob goes off on Obama like this, ask them if Ronald Reagan made a foreign policy mistake when he supported the radical fundamentalist clerics of Iran by providing them, illegally with weapons.
Ask them if supporting death squads in El Salvador was stil such a great idea in hindsight.
Oh it's absurd, and the comebacks are many.
Wow!
who cleaned up the living room?
Are we having company tonight?
looks good!
No, Heather, we shouldn't talk about our shortcomings and just continue to let our country slide into to 3rd world status. Wake up bitch and smell the reality.
This one, this surrogate, really chaps my hide. So prim and proper as she dishes dirt and shyte. Can't wait for Dana Carvey to satire her venomnous drivel.
Imagine if we didn't apply critical thinking in business. Would routine assessments of people, products, sales and operations be met with the kind of criticism that Ms. Wilson thinks is unpatriotic? You bet it wouldn't.
is unpatriotic for wanting to change things, then why does she think that McPalin need any "solutions" at all?
Solutions to what?
Problems?
Oh so now we have problems?
Where is the feed subscription button?
Obama must think the core values of USA is crap,
I mean he only bases his entire campain on rebuilding
the american dream :)
" I think Sarah Palin believes that America is part of the solution. We are an exceptional country, we are a force for good and we need to talk about the good things we do.?
Psst.....Miss Jane, Slick Sarah's not at the top of the ticket, Crusty Yellowteeth is.
"We are an exceptional country, we are a force for good and we need to talk about the good things we do."
Wow. 3 lies in just one sentence!
Only two lies really. We are an exceptional country. We are exceptionally greedy and we are exceptionally full of ourselves.
We could have been a force for good but we chose to believe we were the "chosen" people and that the rest of the world was simply there for our amusement, financial enrichment, and domination.
What we sent around is coming back around and boy is payback going to be a bitch.
She must think people are idiots.
They think we are stoopid. If they would only pay attention, they would find that most of us are not.
She must HOPE people are stupid.
Heather was the prudish little prigg who grilled the CEO's of CBS and VIACOM after Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" at the Super Bowl a few years ago. She was so puritan-like it was actually funny. Mel Karmazin and his team of executives were dragged in front of Congress and treated to Heather's ill wind with comments like: "You CEO's, you Knew what you were doing..." "my children saw it and told me it was NASTY!" and other memorable quotes that Howard Stern played ad infinitum....in fact some of her sound bytes still end up on his show. He tried (unsuccessfully) to dethrone her by supporting her opponent in the last election, but she is in danger of losing that seat for real this time around. Let's send this pilgrim back to 1625 where she belongs. Vote OUT Heather Wilson.
In the 20th century world that Wilson, McCain and the Repubs still live in, they think that Obama saying something in Germany and Palin saying something in America doesn't reach the same world-wide audience.
Their brains haven't wrapped around the whole satellite technology thing yet. So, if we see Obama broadcast to here from Germany saying America is imperfect, that's bad because it means foreigners saw it. But if Palin accuses a presidential candidate of "pallin' around with terrorists", or if she accuses more than half the population of being unamerican, not like 'real' americans, and/or unpatriotic, well, as long as it's broadcast out to the whole world from inside our borders, that's just fine.
Really, I think she's aiming this at those Americans so isolationist in their worldview that they have no idea that the world is watching the whole campaign, not just those speeches made from overseas. Not hard to do since those are the Americans who never look at news from other countries. Why should they, they're Americans?
And exactly why is it a scandal to say that America is imperfect? Does Wilson claim America is perfect? Or that we should try to convince foreigners that it is, cause they haven't figured it out for themselves yet? Or that we don't really believe it is ourselves but we aren't going to take crap from foreigners about such a juvenile belief, so we must never acknowledge to anyone not an American that we know we're not perfect?
No matter how you slice it, this is more insane Republican mindwarping for their dwindling loyalists.
As far as I know, I'm the only perfect American. So there.
I'm an American here in Madrid, and in Spain, Americans are hated the second most - first being the Moroccans (because of the illegal immigration problem coming into Spain from Morocco). There are tanks and military personnel that always have to man the US embassy here.
What pisses me off most about these nasty republican idiots is exactly this ignorant, "head in the sand", isolationist mentality. As an American living abroad (and by the way I left the US after Bush began his illegal war in Iraq because I couldn't stand living in a country that behaved that way)it is so damn embarassing when I see these politicians who supposedly represent the people saying such idiotic and unjustifiable comments. My friends throughout Europe keep asking me why we allow such people to represent us in government, and I really can't quite answer...it's incredible that in this day and age, she says that on national (international) television.
I live in London and have lived in the UK for 6 years. Americans got a real pasting after the Bush/Blair war of hubris. It's pretty damned awful when people start to make assumptions about you when they hear your accent. However, by virtue of being black, people make assumptions about me all the time. Once you leave American soil, you soon realise that America is not as exceptional as you think it is. Did you know that poor dental hygiene can lead to miscarriage? They know that here in the UK and as a result, all pregnant women are entitled to free state dental care throughout pregnancy and until that child is one.
I think that's pretty exceptional.
It is unpratriotic of Heather Wilson to call Obama unpatriotic.
It's even more unpatriotic to belong to the party that has run America into the ground.
Wilson is just regurgitating the Republican mindset that patriotism is defined by simplistic my country right or wrong(but only if it's Republicans calling the shots)thinking. One can be pretty sure that when Obama is president that she will not leave politics at the water's edge and stand behind his foreign policy agenda. I have little doubt that had she been in congress at the time, she would have been howling in outrage over Clinton's actions in Bosnia like the rest of her colleagues did. Far be it for Schieffer to try and push the point and risk calling a Republican out on their my way or the highway brand of bi-partisanship.
Are not almost all politicians, especially long term lifers, out of touch with the real world? Sure seems that way to me, regardless of political party affiliation.
I'm not sure what I think of the new C&L interface. It's less facile for sure and how does one become "verified?"
commenting still a little convoluted... youz spoiled us before...
huge request here:
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PLEASE put the name FIRST...
Looking at the screencap I'm reminded fondly of Berkeley Breathed's Bloom County comic strip.
Nationalism is a disease and like Patriotism, must be checked at the door of any rational, reasonable discussion of events.
The truth of American military and economic interventionalism may just give Mrs. Wilson quite a few nightmares. Unless she is able to look at a mountain of smoldering human corpses and see funland, it is hard for one to reconcile the patriotic rhetoric that passes for news with American fantasies of hegemony!
Four more war years. Both parties are to blame and we will have more of the same. Don't vote.
Don't vote? WTF, you want more of the same?
Ok, let me be less obtuse. Don't vote for either side of the same coin. The Republicrats or Demipublicans represent corporate interests to the exclusion of our interests and you can flip the same coin over and over and get nowhere.
Local and state elections hold more promise and also at least a slender chance that positive change can be enacted. Nationally, elections are a rig job and the plurality evidenced is whether to drop 2,000 pound or 1,000 pound bombs on people's heads. The other side of the coin is not the lesser of two evils, it is evil.
You're not going to change it by not voting.
OK..but what change comes about from voting Ron? Not sure how old you are, and that's your business, but I've been around long enough to see multiple changes in party leaders municipally, province wide and federally. Know what changed? Their names and party. Not much more.
Why don't you go push your "both parties are equally bad so don't vote" meme over at some right wing web sites?
Your thesis doesn't carry much weight here after 8 years of the Bush regime. It sounds very similar to what Republicans are saying these days so hopefully, they'll be more receptive to your position.
You sound exactly like the Rethuglicans with your partisan grasp of "them evil we good guys" meme. Read their blogs. Listen to their cheerleaders on Faux. Listen to their political leaders. You sound exactly the same. The choice between buying Shell gas or Esso gas, is still gas. Sorry if you don't see it that way.
No reason to get upset Canuck, I was just saying that you would serve a greater purpose and be more effective if you took your cynicism over to the other side of the web. Here thankfully, it's a dead duck for now. I'll save my judgment until after Obama is president and the Democrats have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and control both houses of congress for four years. Only then can we really judge if your cynicism is well founded. For now, I think you're jumping the gun.
If Obama gets elected, you will have lies coming from a black man instead of a white one. Is that the change you desire?
Until there is actually an alternative, it is best not to feed the beast. Act locally, that is the only change you are allowed to make, and that is hard enough.
You can have fantasies of representative governance at the federal level, but that is all they will be - fantasies.
What you say is mere speculation with no evidence to back your claim. Where's the harm in electing Obama and seeing where it gets us four years from now? It couldn't be worse than having four more years of the same with McCain.
Or are you just engaging in an infantile attempt at voter suppression?
Who wins if nobody votes instead of voting for the lesser of two evils every 4 years?
Sitemonitor,
I'd love to re register but your "updated" version will not accept the apostrophe in my username. Can you fix that?
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[If it doesn't accept commas I am afraid it's unfixable. I am very sorry-Sitemonitor]
Wow!!
I thought the blind "America, right or wrong, love it or leave it" folks were limited to a few aging WWII vets who were still mentally living in 1950s America.
I didn't know we had live ones like this in Congress. Nice work there, New Mexico...
I live in southern NM and its full of people like that. Sorry, I'm not originally from here(and can't take it much longer) but I am trying to fix it.
I have a conundrum with these people. It's a rightist matter of fact to hate the govmint. It's also a rightist matter of fact to pledge allegence, deify the flag etc. What is the difference?
Our country is our government, of people we choose to represent us, for better or worse. That is what the world views as the US. The other thing that would be our country would be the people in it. That includes leftys, gays, enviromentalists etc-easily around half the country. So this is the greatest country in the world but they hate everything it is? Where does a thinking person find logic there? Do they love a fantasy or what? If you don't like something work to fix it but don't blow your phony patriotism in my face cuz I ain't buyin it. It looks like there's lots of people who aren't. Unfortunately since they only associate with their kind and only listen to wingnuttery they still think they are upright,logical and great americans rather than nonsensical pontificators.
Someone please pull the stick out of her ass.....
bad idea there.... she'll probably fart and fly away
Hell... she might land here in TEXAS.... We're fighting a bad
reputation as it is thanks to w
What better platform than to paint anyone having criticism of the status quo as being unpatriotic. The reverse is true.
In many ways the United States is an exceptional country, in many ways it is not. And its leaders need to accept and acknowledge both strengths and faults. The United States could be a "force for good" but it needs to lead by example. Stop the hypocrisy of supporting dictators, military juntas and oppressive "democracies" while at the same time pretending to promote freedom and democracy all over the world.
BTW blind nationalism, patriotism and support for an untouchable leader has nothing to with freedom or democracy.
Wasn't she Mr. Drysdale's secretary?
You made my day! I have been trying to figure where I met her!4
First of all that 'America is the light of the world' crap ended when torture and kidnapping became public policy.
Second, if liberals were responsible for half the shit the wingnuts blame on us we'd already have killed all the wingnuts and took over.
America isn't the problem. The problem is that America died on 9/11 when it became acceptable to put people in Free Speech Zones and it became traitorous to question anything the government wants to do.
People like Wilson are the real problem here. They can't for a second admit that it was their President who got us all into this mess and that they were at fault for allowing him to do it. They'd much rather demonize everyone who doesn't believe their bullshit.
The problems you speak of didn't just happen since Bush was selected. 'Merica been a torturin' and a killin' for decades. All Bushie has done is financially bankrupt it. He hasn't really changed much in the line of foreign policies of bomb first, heap praise on oneself after.
America died long before that. I would say that after WW2, our country took a wrong turn and has been swirling down the toilet ever since. Sure, the atrocities of America past are now public as opposed to the plausible deniability that existed in the past, but that makes our actions even more insidious. Now they are the centerpiece of the American empire and our brutal policies accepted as uncontroversial fact. Now, we cannot even pretend to be the good guys.
$300 million for propaganda against the Iraqi people by US contractors. That is where this tarnished nation stands. Waiting forever on blood soaked streets of a foreign land for the rose petals and applause that will never come.
It would be nice if someone like Schieffer could point out to Wilson that in saying there have been a lot mistakes made in the war on terror, Palin said basically the same thing in the debate.
The war on terror is, in reality, a War OF Terror, and should be met with the same disdain and repugnance that killing innocent people brings.
The War of Terror has only hurt America. Our security has been weakened, our economy has been weakened, and our standing in the world has been buried.
The inability to be self critical is our primary problem. If we cannot look at the reasons why some hate us, at the reasons why Wall Street is coming down after an orgy of deregulation, at why our education system cannot teach first year algebra to 90% of our children - well then shame on us. Blaming someone will not work. We are all responsible for this mess - although George W and Dick are a little more responsible than most.
she looks like a tom tomorrow caricature
Crooks and Liars new Blog template wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the unnessary space above the banner. The links above the banner "Blue America", "Late Night Music Club" and "Login & Register" can be moved down to the left of the Search Box. Doing this would bump up the banner, which in turn would show more of the latest blog entry.
Why have a link above the banner that states "Crooks and Liars" when you already have a "Home" button below the banner? Doesn't make sense. Delete the "Crooks and Liars" link, and like I stated above, relocate all the links above the banner to below the banner left of the Search Box.
I'm currently look at th blog entry "Face The Nation: Rep. Heather Wilson Hates Reality-Based Discussion" and I see the video, just not the text below it due to the problem I stated.
I gotta agree. Makes sense. Except I can see some of the text (about 7 lines) below the video. The white space does seem a little wasted though. Get rid of it!!! Now! LOL
Wait a minute. I regularly hear Conservatives rant about all the things that are wrong with this country. They bitch about our immigration policies, they bitch about our "regulated markets" (that's a laugh), they bitch about the fact that liberals aren't exterminated in camps...
If criticizing your country is un-American, then Conservatives should be deported immediately.
Wow- an inconsistent Conservative. How unusual.
As John Stewart so wisely put it speaking of Michelle Obama:
"She's got to [prove her patriotism]! She's a Democrat. She must prove she loves America, as opposed to Republicans who everyone knows love America. They just hate half the people living in it."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/27/dail...
Only conservatives can complain about anything in this country. Progressives, we just need to shut up and let them run the show. Well, never mind. They did, and they stank up the place.
Back to square one.
as my good friend sean hannity said america is the greatest, best country god has ever given man on the face of the earth.
we have no flaws whatsoever and to even suggest that we may have done something wrong at any time is not just unpatriotic but treasonous.
Truth is truth. For the past 8 years we have been overtaken by a bunch of bullies, religious fanatics, and unhinged right wing assholes. Frankly, I am tired of their nonsense. As if Europe has not already figured out our country has been kidnapped by a bunch of idiots. It never bothered me when the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed Bush came from Texas or Obama saying mistakes have been made by Bush. It is the truth. The rest of the world already knows that. Does Wilson think we are giving them secrets? I wish the republicans would shut up. Use whatever they can to improve the situation instead of destroying everything. Or they can keep it up and it will continually remind me why I despise them and their philosophy.
She looks like some refugeee from that polygamous cult in Texas.
They're trying to Dixie Chick Obama.
They'll claim there's nothing wrong with challenging an official view, or our political past, but it's wrong to do so overseas.
I disagree. With foreign reporters in America, as well as protests when foreign leaders meet ours, multi-nationalism, transnationalism, economic regionalism, WTO's and NGO's, and of course the internet, the idea of some demarcation like a sea-shore stopping our discussions has become moot.
OMG!! Heather Wilson looks (and sounds) like Mr. Rogers in drag. She is so friggin' desperate. She sounded like a Republican pull-string doll.
Grief, monkey hear no evil, monkey see no evil, monkey speak no evil.
Spanking the monkey?
Implying that Obama is unpatriotic is rich coming from one of the main water carriers for the lie campaign for both the Iraq war and for the sacking of the Bill of rights with FISA related atrocities.
So if I extend her logic, if Obama is unpatriotic, then you Heather are a traitor.
She must view the world through a rose colored microscope.
bob schieffer is a republican sycophant. He has no credibility with anyone who has cognitive abilities. CBS has yet to realize the reason why people are getting their news info from blogs, from the BBC, CBC or other news sources from around the world is because more and more CBS and the rest of the msm become less relevant and honest about what's happening here.
There are times when there's evidence that he really does care about the terrible things that have been happening to America. But then his party loyalty takes over to overwhelms these feelings. Making him just another partisan bobblehead. That makes him un-American in my book.
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There are times when there's evidence that he really does care about the terrible things that have been happening to America. But then his party loyalty takes over to overwhelms these feelings. Making him just another partisan bobblehead. That makes him un-American in my book.
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this woman is dumb... how on earth do people like this get elected?
this exemplifies the difference between nationalism (moronic) and jingoism (dangerous)
This nitwit is an example of the ignorance that has kept this country down for as far back as I can remember. The people who elected her to the House of Representatives should be ashamed of themselves. They are fools, precisely the kind of clueless Americans the phony patriots like Bush, Cheney and their ilk prey upon every election year. After a lifetime of watching these narrow-minded, dim-witted voters elect from the bottom of the barrel, all I can say is, if any American who respects intelligence; who is thoughtful and compassionate; who is black, brown, a woman or in any way knows what it's like to be in the minority; who is young and cares about this country's future; or who, like me, has waited a lifetime to see America finally live up to the ideals it was founded upon ... if any one of us fails to vote next month for the first candidate since JFK to offer us a future that we and people around the world can respect, then we are destined to return to the Dark Ages. But, hey. Don't get me started.
I bet Bob Schieffer didn't even want her on his show. The CBS advertisers are making all the demands and calling all the shots. CBS is simply letting them do it, control the news now.
Wilson is exhibiting true socialist behavior in a role reversal whereby they say Liberals are socialist, but act like devote followers of Russia motherland rule, and don't question the leaders of the motherland (just like in Russia in that the people are to serve the land, but the land, and government doesn't serve the people) so the GOP just blindly follows orders (only from fellow Repugs too), and there are no inherent individual rights that are self evident in US Constitution according the Heather.
Sort of a "God save the Queen/King" redux that has no bearings in a democracy. Rep. Heather Wilson doesn't take the US Constitution to heart. As a lawmaker, it is Wilson's job to do the will of her constituency and not blindly follow Bush or her Corporate backers, and she is merely playing stupid here, and she hopes she can stupidly mislead. Heather Wilson is a following in the chilling footsteps of Joseph McCarthy. McCarthy, a Repuglican, was the same kind of a lawmaker as Wilson, name calling about patriotism in same ugly way that Wilson is now doing it.
Oh, I didn’t proof read that very well did I!
Sorry, but I’m sure we know that Joseph McCarthy use the word “communist” to mean "un-American" in the same exact fashion as Wilson uses the word “patriotism” in her dialog here. It is not about free speech, it’s about try to shut someone up that she simply doesn't like.
It is a very ugly road to go back down again in our history, and I know we all don’t want to do that. Wilson is trying the same bullshit that Josephy McCarthy used - that is what it is.
really? our tax dollars pay her salary.
You know what the best thing about Heather Wilson congressman from NM is?
Come January the worthless Bushie is out of a job. Replaced by a progressive democrat.
I think that's actually Todd Palin in drag.
http://www.wilytrax.com
Don't you think you were a little hard on the Beaver last night?
Missed that I'd been beaten to the punch...
It's people like this that are doing real harm to this country.
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"My country, right or wrong," is like saying, "My mother, drunk or sober."
And if we're doing everything right, then why is McCain talking about change and reform? Why is he a maverick? Sounds like McCain is being unpatriotic ...
Excellent point, Shadowgm!
Why do you hate America, Sen. McCain??? LOL
And while we're at it, where was you lapel pin at the first debate?
Gawd, someone please make the stupidity stop!
I have always said Republicans are the problem. America, when not on the Republican bullshit crusade, has done some great things in the world and for the world. But once you get these misguided criminals from the Republican party in power, we stop doing good and start bombing brown people. We stop showing a profit and start building debt like Jesus is coming tomorrow, and to some of these idiots they believe he is!
So Please Rep. Wilson, it's not our country, it's you and your kind that is the problem and it is the Republican mess that we now have to clean up (once again)
Who is the broad, the friggin Church Lady? She looks like the proto-typical uptight schoolmarm/ministers wife prude.
she's an example of why mortality is good and necessary for our species. now if only we could perhaps learn a bit faster?
The Pilgrams landed at Plymouth Rock determined they would stay....oh,..err...wrong story. I had a teacher like her in the 80's, she would recite to young boys how we were terrible for our thoughts and behaviors. I'm happy I just blew her and others like her off, it was her daughter that ended up pregnant and had an abortion.
Palin doesn't really have a clue, they have now just told her to go out and stir up the masses. If you notice, her speeches are not really scripted, she just screams hate and trash that the bible bunpers really love to hear. On top of that, the media do love them some hateful speech and she can get the news people to chase her around and take time away from the issues. There needs to be a group of dedicated hacklers that do nothing but follow her around, with big signs that read, "MILF This."
Its time for Democrats to FINALLY ATTACK the character of republican criminals and FINALLY ATTACK the characterizations of flawed right wing ideology!!!
Ive been saying this for the past 15 yrs and have not seen it yet!!
These people make my ass tired, as Grandma used to say.
The impugning of everyone's patriotism when we don't agree with Republican policies is one of the main reasons that I could never vote for the party. They've been pulling this crap since Vietnam, and it's infuriating.
This lady needs to take time out, do something important, like get a complete makeover and leave the comments to someone who actually has a clue about the courage that real patriotism requires.
But apparently, in Heather Wilson's (and Bob Schieffer, let's not forget he is the one framing this as such) world, what I should do is let my kids be monsters outside the house
Your forgetting that this is a tactic. A strawman to be exact, designed to discourage questioning the Republican foreign policy agenda. They don't really believe it's unpatriotic to question American foreign policy.
This wench makes me want to move to NM just to boot her ridiculous ass out of office, if nothing else.
My wife and I are planning to move back to the States for a bit, (once the jack ass is shoved out the back door of the White House), and CO and NM are the two choices of places to live. She gives NM a point up.
What an idiot. AMERIKA HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM BITCH!! Go figure! I'm not saying that the US is evil or anything worse than any other super power, but I AM saying that we can do a hell of a lot better than what this moron and criminal in the WH has done over the past eight years of RAPING our country.
Schieffer needs to retire (and he needs to take Brokaw and Broder with him).
Oddly, its this same sentiment towards America that conservatives HATE when it comes to children and schools. How many times have we heard conservatives rail against a society where everyone gets an A for effort, a trophy just for participating? They claim over and over again that this blind acceptance and praise despite how good of a job the kid actually does breeds weak untested children who don't know what it takes to compete in the world. Yet, when it comes to America they want a trophy no matter what. They think the US deserves an A just for trying. To suggest that America could do more, could do better, is unpatriotic to them.
Then again, with how rampant the wingnut welfare system has gotten, and how the least qualified members of the GOP seem to float to the top of their hierarchy, I am not surprised they don't know the first thing about working hard and pushing things to make them better.
I understand the importance of constantly pushing ourselves to be more, to be better. I call it progress and I call myself a progressive.
Am I making this up or have Republicans in the past been critical of Democratic Presidents in the past? Is it really true that politics traditionally ends at the water? Am I daff or is this a new meme from the right in the last say 8 years?
And aren't we as citizens supposed to criticize the government when they are wrong or stupid? Doesn't Obama still count as a US citizen? What is it with these politicos and their sense of themselves as so important they forget they are in effect working for the people who are supposed to be critical of them? Just because the President can make laws which make him king does not mean these laws are legal or legitimate. And the President is never more than a public servant in essence correct?
If you think that Republicans have EVER been critical of a Democratic president, you are mistaken. They are patriots and respect the office of the presidency of our country.
I worked in one of the most Republican atmospheres anywhere, a real estate office. During the Clinton years, it was only a coincidence that as the only Democrats in the place, every time my real estate partner and I entered a room during election season, all conversation ground to a halt. Yes, the may not have loved Clinton, but they loved America and would never speak ill of the President or the job he was doing.
This concludes the bedtime fairy tales for this evening, children.
Please come remove the hook from the side of my mouth.
Thank you.
The key phrase is "He’s been critical... of American policy", hence unpatriotic. When Obama gets elected and changes the American policy, somebody needs to remind the Congresswoman that she cannot criticize it unless willing to be unpatriotic herself.
Nicole,
I love the analogy of the country (or, in truth, the current leadership of the country) to children. Would a conservative who loved her children be perfectly happy with a report card full of C's and D's? Of course not. Any parent worth her salt would love her kids and still encourage them to improve, and would speak honestly about their weakness as well as their strengths. As this campaign goes on, I'll remember the child analogy whenever I hear this 21st century version of the "my country right or wrong" nonsense.
Wilson is trying to CYA. She is involved in violating federal rules by attempting to compromise the election in New Mexico a few years back,by contacting one of the federal attorneys at home,to put the heat on a prosecution in hopes a Dem candidate would lose. This is the same state where Pete Domenici got involved in same issue-this evolved into wrongfulfirings of DOJ prosecutors nationwide,including David Iglesias.
or thousands of dead Iraqis if they thought "America was the problem" but, guess what? They are fucking dead!
WILSON: Well, he has talked down about America and you know, we’ve always had this history of saying, well, politics ends at the waters’ edge.
Unless, of course, you are the president speaking in the Israeli Knesset!!!!
Is it unpatriotic to point out America could do better? I mean, look at the mess your in now!
Dude you must be psychic. You beat me by a whisker.
Wilson: "As if it's all America's fault the situation we're in..."
I see, so we should... blame Canada?
The fascists are coming outa the wood work here, my god.
How un-American of Obama to speak of the problems.
"politics ends at the water" does it? Unless ,of course, it's George Bush talking to the Knesset. Then it's politics as usual. Is there no end to Republican hypocrisy.
The party that tore down our country, shredded our constitution, violates treaties like the Geneva Convention at will, and employs voodoo economic theories calls Obama unpatriotic--really? Morons like Wilson don't only need to be criticized, they need to be deported to Gitmo to get a taste of their fascist medicine.
As a citizen of Albuquerque this idiot has been my representative for too long. She lost badly in the primary and now she's looking like a desperate fool who can only say the word "liberal"
Let the door hit you on the way out Heather!!!
Just think Stepford.
It wasn't a movie, you know.
that's a man baby!
What a koolaid drinking repuglican Idiot!
And she's not wearing a flag pin either..........unpatriotic hack!
Amerika, über Alles!
Über Alles in der Welt
American exceptionalism / nationalism / jingoism... it's the only card left to play for the Republican party.
Nicole, that was the most brilliant analogy for the stupidity of blind patriotism I've ever read.
Ah how convenient Ms. Wilson.
I seemed to recall alot of Europe bashing (freedom fries, boycott France, "OLD Europe" from good old Rummy -
You're right - chastising our long standing allies as "OlD Europe" for not supporting our oil grabbing invasion of Iraq - that's patriotic and good treatment of our allies.
Mr Obama needs to learn his place - right?
So according to Wilson, nobody is allowed to point out how screwed up the country & administration is?
I guess that would be playing the "blame game."
No one wants to know who's at fault?
These people are so full of shit!
Just wait until Obama is President and we have a solid Democratic majority in Congress.
We will need to remind Ms. Wilson not to criticize our government or its policies, won't we?
The analogy with your children is perfect Nicole. I say the exact same thing about my relationship with my own kids.
Even better, it is the exact same point that Al Franken made in Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them when he discusses the difference between the way liberals and conservatives think about America. Conservatives see America the way young children relate to their parents as all-knowing perfect beings that protect them and can do no wrong, whereas liberals see America in a more adult fashion, precisely as you described.
Further proof that modern conservatism represents the infantilization of politics.
Now that Tom Delay is gone, she wins my vote for most annoying menber of the House!
Her and Jean Schmidt!
She's got a manly voice. Think she should get a new toupee.
If politics end at the water's edge, why the hell has so much water been crossed to politisize, and to invade Iraq to bring democracy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZSh1diQRQ
I don't get it. All this TV time given to Heather Wilson, a woman without a job come January. She's a lame duck who gave up her NM Congressional seat to run for the Senatorial slot vacated by Pete Domenici. She lost the primary to fellow Republican Steve Pierce, who is going to lose in November big time to Democrat Tom Udall. So why is Heather's tired rhetoric relevant?
Paul Mansfield
Corrales NM
Wilson is bad enough, but have pity on me...I am from Texas. I knew exactly what kind
of extremist jerk Phil Gramm was long before the rest of the nation had to look at his sour visage and listen to his corny "ahm just folks" accent, and the Republicans
in state government are as bad if not worse. John Cornyn is a Bush-bot and a sycophant and as the late, great Molly Ivins said, Gov. Rick Perry has a great head of hair but an empty head.
But many people seem to be tiring of the religious extremists who took over the state
GOP in the early 1990's - I have some hope that our Texas Taliban has run its course.
Just askin?
I don't understand why CBS would be interested in interviewing a Repub. has-been. Hopefully both her and her hairdresser's careers are permanently over.
This is a woman who sounds so reactive and myopic that she's incapable of grasping even the simplest nuance in a rational line of thought; leading her to dead-end, absurd conclusions like: "To critique America is to denigrate America".
Her bearing and voice are flat, and joyless; she apparently sees the world through the narrow, black and white perspective of "Liberal vs Conservative", and I get the feeling the poor thing could probably be well-served at least to some degree by a course of therapy with a good, empathetic psychiatrist.
Or, barring that, maybe a bong load would help.
(Like that's really gonna happen. Ha!)
How about a quick course for this person in suicide non-prevention?
Oops...what a silly idea!
Has anyone noticed how these whiny Democrats are complaining about the moderators of the next two presidential debates--Tom Brokaw, a McCain supporter, and Bob Schiefer, a GWBush lover?
Obama would slaughter McSame even if Sean Hannity was the moderator.
So old Marble Mouth and Bob GeeWeezer can distract all they want, this race is FINICCI as far is America is concerned.
Turn out the lights, the Grand O'l Party is OVER !
I think this is just another example of McCain's new strategy to put a label on Obama. Notice how the MSM plays along instead of asking the obvious question. What are you talking about? What you are saying makes no sense and is just a general attack with no substance. Why?
'Love your country like an adult loves another adult, not like a 4-year-old loves his mommy'
-Al Franken-
And remember this is the same "boob" that was a a fluuter about the Janet Jackson Boob shot during the Superbowl halftime show 4 years ago.
She was at a Congressional Hearing about indecency on in the Media, and quoted her young son:
"And Mommy, it was Nasty"
This woman represents everything wrong w/America right now.
She is an idiot
Rich
Youtube link:
and it was nasty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyIn6eay9Mw
This is one of the best examples I've seen Nichole make, and one of the chief problems that Democrats NEED... UNDERLINE... NEED to keep hammering on to take back America.
The more we cringe and withdraw when someone says that its unpatriotic to question. That it's unamerican to DISAGREE (gasp shock) with previous presidential foreign or domestic policies, the more they win.
Simple.
Yet, they have no problem talking in the same language about Bill Clinton's foreign policy, or of course the great Satan of democratic Presidents- Jimmy Carter.
Democrats MUST UNDERLINE MUST hold Republicans feet to the fire for their own yard sticks, and clarify that they can't even live up to their own moral compasses let alone set them for others.
I'm from the "American" government and I'm here to help you. The 10 most frightening words? "America" might be a force for good in the world, its government and the corporations it serves rarely are.
Sure, our financial crisis is some other countries responsibility. Same goes for the fact our invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation is a complete and utter disaster and falls at the feet of someone other than the US.
Hey Heather...go to hell!
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