Iran: The Enemy That Almost Isn't
One of the things that I've found most disconcerting about American news coverage of Iran is the complete disconnect between what our own (and international) intelligence reports say and the almost rapturous assurance by the media and public officials that Iran is heading full bore towards our nuclear annihilation. Sean Paul Kelly @ The Agonist:
The FT is reporting today that Iran has enough uranium for a bomb! Oh dear. Except their reporting is very, very lacking in the physics and engineering department.
Here's what El Baradei recently said about Iran and the bomb:
SZ: In your report it says that Iran is gaining an ever greater mastery of uranium enrichment. Can the USA and Israel accept the fact that Iran is on the threshold of becoming a virtual nuclear power?
ELBARADEI: The question is, what can they do? What are the alternatives to direct negotiations? As long as we are monitoring their facilities, they cannot develop nuclear weapons. And they still do not have the ingredients to make a bomb overnight.
How hard is it to google this sh*t?
Update: As Paul Kerr, from Total WonKerr, just wrote to me in an email: "Here's the number of weapons you can make with LEU: zero." Any questions?
Hurts your "Oooh...be scared of the bogeyman" fear-mongering when you inject actual facts and science into it, doesn't it? Whirled View and my buddy Cernig look further.
Douglas Saunders at The Globe and Mail looks at how the way we view Iran affects our attitude towards them:
What if the world's biggest threat, instead of growing in size and menace, simply vanished?
Imagine if Iran, after years of extremism, found itself led by a president who had been elected on a platform of women's rights, a free press, foreign investment and closer relations with the United States and other Western countries.
Imagine if, in response, the U.S. government made a public, formal apology for the 1953 Central Intelligence Agency overthrow of Iran's elected government, the act that had sent the country on the path to extremism in the first place.
Imagine if the Iranian people then began holding pro-U.S. demonstrations.
And imagine if that moderate Iranian leader offered to accept peace with Israel, to permanently halt funding of Palestinian militant groups such as Hamas and to submit fully to inspections as it abandons any nuclear-weapons programs in exchange for better relations with America.
Ah, imagine. It could never be so easy. But wait. Don't I recall something from my pile of newspaper clippings? Ah yes, here it is, and not even yellowed. Amazing how fast we forget things.
Mohammad Khatami, the pro-Western reformist, was elected in 1997.
Madeleine Albright, the U.S. secretary of state, issued the big apology to Iran in March of 2000. “Certainly, in our view, there are no obstacles that wise and competent leadership cannot remove,” she said. “As some Iranians have pointed out, the United States has cordial relations with a number of countries that are less democratic than Iran.”
The pro-American demonstrations, by all reports genuine (and unpunished), took place over several days in 2003. In that spring, Mr. Khatami sent a Swiss official to Washington to make the peace offer. In exchange for recognizing Israel, cutting off Hamas and proving it had abolished any nuclear-weapons plans, Iran wanted an end to sanctions, normal diplomatic relations with the U.S. and recognition of its role in the region.
So what happened? Well, nothing. George W. Bush was president, the Iraq war was just approaching the “mission accomplished” phase, and nobody in the White House thought it would look good to make peace with Iran, a country that only the year before had been made a rhetorical component in Mr. Bush's “axis of evil.”
As one State Department official directly involved with the Iranian offer told me, “It was like we missed the biggest Middle East peace opportunity of the decade, just so we could keep saying ‘axis of evil.'”[..]
It was physicist Werner Heisenberg who found that the act of observing can affect the nature of the thing being observed. It is likely that simply by looking at Iran as a threat, we've made it one. Look again, and it might change.
Maybe it's time to start looking at Iran a different way:
..and examine "Operation Ajax" in 1953. Iran could have been the Middle East's first democracy. This after many decades of British exploitation.
Gee, any wonder alot of Iranians were not surprised to see the U.S. and Britain invade and occupy their neighbor?
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
indeed
in fact, thanks to a FOIA request, a HUGE catalog of intel and govt reports from the time was released. and, most strikingly of all, is the fact that the US govt KNEW full and well that their story about mossadeq was pure fabrication, and that what their actions were on par with the pre-operation iraqi liberation (OIL) lies. stunning, really. it is obvious why the govt tried to keep this underwraps for so long, it is damning.
just a couple years after the truman doctrine was rolled out eisenhower pissed all over it.
i wonder what the average iranian thinks about our flirtation with nationalization here in the US, seeing as that was the reason we chose to overthrow the progressive and democratically elected president of iran and replaced him with a reluctant monarch-dictator.
wanna know more about the US govt actions to kill democracy, install dictators, and lie to the american public:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB28/
president obama: apologize to the citizens of iran for america's actions from '53-'79... it would go a long way to help the situation--and its free!
What ticks me off is that Iran could be a strong ally of ours in the Mideast. And they've made overtures in that direction, particularly after 9/11. Bush, of course, thumbed his nose at Iran, largely because Bush is an imbecile and the neocons like Iran as a bogeyman.
One of my good friends is Iranian, and she is the nicest Persian I know. Personally I've never met an Iranian I didn't like, and I find them to be very sophisticated and Western in their outlook. Iran and the U.S. could be close allies, despite our mutual past issues. Instead there seems to be a concerted drive to make them the next target of our imperial aggression.
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
I've been fortunate enough to know a few Iranians and they are very good people - which sounds awful to even have to point out. We've branded their entire nation as an Axis of Evil yet they were an ally in the early days of the fight against Al Qaeda, they are more progressive than almost all other Islamic nations and they are pro-West in many ways.
Our representation of the Iranian peolpe is the worst form of the "ugly American" stereotype.
Hopefully humanity will one day learn to be humane.
I worked with several Iranians and all of them incredibly nice and very open. They spoke about what life was like in Iran, the people, the land and that is was a pretty free society... modest but free. One of the Iranians I worked was a truly incredibly nice person, invited many coworkers to parties at his place and we met many other iranians from around town there...all were very nice and spoke freely about any topic and had positive attitudes towards the US and said many Iranians in Iran felt exactly the same way.
have nothing but nice things to say about Iranians. And they are both respectful of the culture and the restrictions there. And the Iranians were incredibly happy to see them. They are as curious about us as we are about them. And why wouldn't they be?
I find it incredible and galling that it has to be explained to the American people the Iranians (or any other group of people, for that matter) are 'just like us.'
Why the fuck wouldn't they be?
me-oww!
Iran has large deposits of uranium. They are trying to develope an export industry for fuel rods. It makes perfect sense. I think the real issue here is that American Corporations do not want the competition.
I wonder how much of this has to do with Iran's new Oil Bourse. It seems they've dumped the US dollar for euros mostly as their reserve currency. Hmmm..isn't that what Saddam did around the year 2000?
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
Yes. A point that is often overlooked as a genesis of our invasion.
we needed a new enemy.
Our military ind. comp. needed a new excuse to spend billions, so they helped the CIA and Pentagon come to the conclusion that the middle east was a good (new enemy)...
...the oil is an added bonus.
Though the effect of slowly encircling (whats left of) Russia is probly "most" critical to the future "kings of the new world order"
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If you don't have an enemy to hate, what's to cheer about America. Torture and imperialism? You have to make them look worse than you (which is a pretty tall order these days. China looks like an angel next to the USA.)
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
Roger Cohen in the Times, What Iran's Jews Say.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Can't remember where I heard/read it, but just last week I heard that Iran was ready to go on line with its first nuke power plant. The engineers who will run it have been trained in Russia. If this is so, then Iran has been telling us the truth all along.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I believe the plant actually went online today. Expect a thunderous roar in the media of imminent calamity and ruin headed our way
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
...demands that there must always be a threat. Funny how little little scare routing you hear about North Korea and Pakistan, who are way ahead of Iran on the nuclear weapons front.
Where is that boogey man…
Look here, the Shah is cool and Iran is our friend.
Look there, the Shah is overthrown and Iran is our nemesis.
Look that way, we gave them weapons for our hostages and now Iran can be ignored.
Look out, Iraq is warring with Iran and Iraq is now cool.
Oops, don’t look there anymore, Saddam is not cool, we need to get rid of him.
Ok, look now, Saddam is gone and Iraq isn’t the issue. Don’t look at Iraq no more.
Wait, got it now. Iran is making nucular stuff, bad again. Bad, bad, bad.
Where is that boogey man?
Looks to me like that boogey man is right here in this country and his name is economy.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
...It's alot like that Abu Al Zarqawi guy in Iraq that they killed like....5 times? ...Bin Laden has boogied off somwhere too...
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"One of the things that I've found most disconcerting about American news coverage of (insert latest manufactured enemy's name here) is the complete disconnect between what our own (and international) intelligence reports say and the almost rapturous assurance by the media and public officials that (insert latest manufactured enemy's name here) is heading full bore towards our (insert latest scaremongered threat here) annihilation."
I'm Boycotting NewsCorp! Heres what not to buy: http://www.cjr.org/resources/index.php?c=news...
So ture.
It's like your populace lives on a deserted island and no one cares about the outside world. Just listen to the TV and believe.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
For the link, Nicole.
The entire bipartisan beltway VSP set have made it very clear that they're willing to twist the facts of Iran's nuclear program. The Villagers have likewise made it clear that Obama gets only one chance at negotiation - which they expect to fail. After that, it'll be back to saber-rattling as usual.
As for Obama, he's been just as guilty of making allegations about Iran's nuclear intentions he cannot back up with facts established by the IAEA - or even with the opinions of his own intelligence agencies, who still stand behind the conclusions of their 2007 NIE that Iran currently has no ongoing nuclear weapons program.
Given that he seems to have delegated foreign policy to the Clintonistas and neo-liberal hawks while he concentrates on America's domestic mess, it's not entirely out of order to suggest that, by now, Obama has given up on his outreach to Iran succeeding too - because of American, rather than Iranian, intransigence - and that his foreign policy people are now simply going through the motions so that they can say "we tried" before returning to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran".
Regards, C
Speaking of bombing, one suspects that there is more than a good chance that the Iranians [and the Afghans] would agree with the message that emanates from this pictorial.
http://www.darianworden.com/pics/votedemocrat...
You said the exact same thing as Cernig did!!!
but better (exept with a picture)!!! ...and Cernig is a pretty darn good typer!
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I admit myself mastered :-)
(Though you might be interested in my post "See a nail? Use the COIN hammer!" over at 'hoggers today.
Regards, C
buying inot boosh's faked list of pretend enemies. it was always bullshit.
________________
common sense matters as much as truth
...dems have been watching too much CNN!!!
...once one sunday, a few months ago (CNN) devoted the entire day to a "special" on "evil terrorists in the middle east"
Christian Amanpour did most of it. (I was disgusted)
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Even if these reports were true, it certainly doesn't mean that Iran cannot use them for peaceful energy purposes. I mean, they allegedly have enough enriched uranium for one bomb, right? Say they test their one bomb: They're back to where they fucking started. It's like Sisyphus rolling that damned rock uphill.
Once again, I have to ask myself whether anyone in our government even read the executive summary of the fucking '07 NIE?
JP
http://giveusthisdayourdailtydread.blogspot.com
Same Question on "Intelligence"
It appears that our intelligence uses AIPAC made Sun Glasses!
and Obama likes to BUY them!
Iran, along with a few other countries in the world, is outside the mainstream global banking system. Iran is also a threat to Israel, which seems to run both our foreign policy and our mainstream media these days. With employment plummeting there should be lots of new recruits for Obama's Army, which might also go into Pakistan, another international banking holdout.
That's why America's military will get drawn into a fight there if we let them -- it serves to destroy both Iran infrastructure and America's reputation in the world. America is now the corporatists army base, and we the taxpaying suckers get to finance it all -- not to mention pay off the banksters bad bets while they reward themselves with "grotesque bonuses". (Obama's words, not mine.)
Not to mention another 30,000 troops for Afghanistan -- another international banking holdout -- where empires go to die. At some point America will bankrupt itself and a new global army base, maybe China, will be established.
This is starting to smell like Bush-lite, or Bush-Slick if you ask me. Obama keeps illegal renditions, torture, banker bailouts, troops in Iraq for at least another 16 months, FISA provisions to name but a few odious policies. And sadly many Dems seem OK with all of this as long as their man is in power. I was hopeful that Obama would lead to major changes and I voted for the man, but if we don't hold our elected officials accountable it doesn't matter who is in office.
we need a GUT check regarding Iran. the long time sanctions are weighing heavy on iran currently. i still believe some type of compromise will/must be found regarding iran. the u.s. has been and continue to want to place a moderate in power.
Did you read the story? Do you know any of the recent history? They HAD moderate in power. He made overtures to the US and was rebuffed. The US does not want peace in the middle east. It's bad for business. How can they sell those latest fighters or the new and improved howitzers if the world is at peace?
If a country defies the US and tries to do things in a different way than Uncle Sam decides they should, then the full might of US aggression is brought against them. For some examples, see Cuba or any of the countries in South America.
In the US mindset, a blow against a US corporation is the same as a military strike against the US mainland. That's the reason that they took Mossadeq out in the first place. He wanted to nationalize the Iranian oil fields. Iran was getting totally ripped off by the Brits and the US, they were taking approximately two-thirds of the profits from the oil out of the country.
IAEA Inspectors: Iran not Producing Weapons-grade Uranium
As I mentioned yesterday, Iran is not producing weapon-grade uranium, and could not easily do so without detection. The Hindu, which despite its name is left of center (and which is one of India's finest newspapers) writes:
' Iran has not converted the low-grade uranium that it has produced into weapon-grade uranium, inspectors belonging to the International Atomic Energy Agency have said.
The Austrian Press Agency quoted an IAEA expert as saying that the uranium substances that Iran has produced at its Natanz enrichment facility have been carefully recorded and remote cameras have been installed to supervise part of the stockpile.
“If the Iranians intend to transport these uranium substances to a secret location for further processing, agency’s inspectors will find out,” he said.
The expert added that “so far, Iran has carried out good cooperation with us in relevant verifications”.
IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei has said that Iran has slowed down its uranium enrichment programme.'
http://www.juancole.com/
US newspapers are complaining that they are losing money and may not survive. After they put all sorts of falsehoods about Iraq on their front pages, it may be that they fatally wounded their credibility with the US public. In any case, the above report does not show up anywhere on the web or in Lexis that I can find, except here in The Hindu, which tells me that someone is not doing their job.
(See also Dr. Jeffrey Lewis.
Yes, an apology for the coup that installed the Shah, AND for giving Saddam chemical and biological weapons to use against Iran. And an apology from Israel for their assistance in the 1953 coup would probably end Iranian assistance to Hamas and Hezbollah.
Would somebody PLEASE find and post video of Iranians surrounding the abandoned embassy in Tehran with flowers and candles after the 9/11 attack? After all that we had done to them?
It takes a really strong person/nation to admit a mistake and apologize. I'd pray to God (if I believed in Him/Her/It/Them) that America could be a great enough nation to do that.
seems like a political no-no to those who actually believe admitting mistakes is a sign of weakness. It is, in fact, a sign of strength, wisdom and honesty. If the US wants credibility and trust to return to it, the govmint must admit it has made mistakes and punish wrongdoers within itself ...if the govmint doesn't, it won't get what it needs most...trust and credibilty
http://www.juancole.com/
Saturday, February 21, 2009
Iran Nuclear Program Hyped again
Note to mainstream media:
Iran cannot construct nuclear bombs with uranium enriched only to less than 4%. It needs to be enriched to something like 90% to make a bomb. Iran is not known even to have that capability, and no it cannot be done in 2 months (try a decade), assuming they were trying to do it, which our $40 bn. a year intelligence agencies say they are not. So all the silly articles on Friday about how iran now has enough enriched uranium to make a bomb are just illiterate. Moreover, the report in question actually says that Iran is slowing its enrichment activities.
h/t Jay McDonough.
Now that the Likud is back in control of Israel, flanked by even less savory far-right forces, we will unfortunately be bombarded by inflammatory propaganda about how dangerous Iran is. Iran hasn't aggressively invaded another country in at least a century and a half. In contrast, the Likud never met a war of aggression they did not like.
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Netanyahu: Train Wreck for Israel, Middle East;
Looming Disaster for United States
The selection of rightwing expansionist Binyamin Netanyahu to form the next Israeli government is being greeted with dismay by the Egyptian government, which remembers him for having derailed the Oslo peace process in the late 1990s.
Netanyahu has vowed to abandon negotiations with the Palestinians, and says he will expand the program of Israeli colonization of the Palestinian West Bank.
Since even before Netanyahu's coronation was announced, the Israelis had been busy stealing more Palestinian land and planning more colonies on the purloined territory, Netanyahu will just be accelerating an already inexorable process.
Despite today's faintly ridiculous attempt in the NYT to depict Netanyahu as a born-again pragmantist, in fact he rejects any withdrawal from the Palestinian West Bank by Israeli squatters, despite Israel's commitment to pull back in the Oslo accords. Since the West Bank looks like Swiss cheese with regard to administration and settlement patterns, there isn't a Palestinian state to be had there without an extensive Israeli pullback, and Netanyahu has never shown any interest in either pullback or Palestinian state.
Now his people are trying to revive this bizarre idea of giving Jordan some sort of vague authority over the West Bank Palestinians as a way of denying them statehood in their own right. Jordan's government has been under severe pressure to expel the Israeli ambassador over the brutal Gaza campaign, and any such active collaboration with Israel to repress the West Bankers would risk toppling the Hashemite throne. King Hussein once accused Netanyahu of single-handedly destroying every positive thing the Jordanian monarch had worked for.
Netanyahu is a train wreck for the Middle East. He is willing to ally with Avigdor Lieberman, an open racist who is gunning for the 20 percent of Israel's citizen population that is Palestinian. Netanyahu wants a war with Iran, and when the Israeli Right wants a war nowadays, they usually want our children to fight and die in it for them. The 1996 "Clean Break" Neoconservative policy paper advocating a war on Iraq was written for Netanyahu. (They are not satisfied with picking our pockets for their weapons and colonization projects). Netanyahu will further oppress and brutalize the Palestinians, which he will keep in a slave-like condition of statelessness, and from whom he will steal what little property they have left. Last time he was in office he went around poisoning his enemies, for all the world like the Bulgarian KGB in the old days.
Personally I could care less if Iran has nuclear weapons. America is the only country stupid enough to have used them.
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
address the central lie at the heart of the neocon agenda.
to delude yourself into believing elements within your own gov't are incapable of something so heinous is not only ignorant of well-documented history, it is a form of hubris.
American meddling in Iran back in early 1950's both covert and overt set the stage for what eventually transpired in late 1970's with Iranians giving the Shah the boot.
Americans also were meddling in Iraq on and off during the same span of decades. Saddam was not entirely just a random draw and there was American overt/covert ops connected with his rise to power.
Needless to say after Saddam invaded Kuwait he found out oil was one thing Americans would not parley over or about. The Americans set out to replace him during the rest of the 1990's. What finally came about in March of 2003 was hardly just what G.W.Bush wanted. The framework was well in place prior to The Decider's decision to invade/occupy Iraq.
Rick Steves,the PBS travel show host,had a very interesting and informative hour long presentation of his travel and time in Iran just this past weekend (FEB.21/2009) which was a hour very well spent.
Iran is not in any way the monster WashingonDC propaganda would have Americans believe and the Iranians surely do not deserve any American Shock and Awe treatment. This Rick Steves look inside Iran is a rare and well done hourlong look inside today's Iran. Rick Steves deserves much credit for doing this travel show about Iran and doing it well.
The long ongoing demonization of Iran since 1979 coming out of WashingtonDC is surely very wrongly founded and has long overstayed any valid or sanity based premise.
Iran could and should be a stalwart American friend and ally in ME.
So what is the deeper problem here?
One need look only farther to the west of Iran and lay much of this stupidly ginned up anti-Iran hysteria at Israel's doorstep.
The same Israel that gladly demolished a resurgent and restoring Lebanon in 2006 as Israel did not want Lebanon to demonstrate any ability to succeed and become an alternative to Israel's ME storytell and Israeli need to knock down viable alternatives in ME.
It would be fair to assign this same Israeli regional hostility as a root cause of American/Iranian disconcerted affairs.
WashingtonDC would do well to bypass Israeli trouble making and engage Iran and the Iranian people in positive,open ended improving relations moving ahead.
... THROUGH TRUTH THOU SHALT MAKE PEACE.
you state
"Update: As Paul Kerr, from Total WonKerr, just wrote to me in an email: "Here's the number of weapons you can make with LEU: zero." Any questions? "
this is incorrect.
to make a fission bomb with uranium you need an isotope of uranium called Uranium-235 this is produced by a procedure that yields Enriched uranium of varying grades.
Low-enriched uranium (LEU)
Low-enriched uranium' (LEU) has a lower than 20% concentration of 235U. For use in commercial light water reactors (LWR), the most prevalent power reactors in the world, uranium is enriched to 3 to 5% 235U. Fresh LEU used in research reactors is usually enriched 12% to 19.75% U-235, the latter concentration being used to replace HEU fuels when converting to LEU.
Highly enriched uranium (HEU)
A billet of highly enriched uranium metalHighly enriched uranium (HEU) has a greater than 20% concentration of 235U or 233U.
The fissile uranium in nuclear weapons usually contains 85% or more of 235U known as weapon(s)-grade, though for a crude, inefficient weapon 20% is sufficient (called weapon(s)-usable); some argue that even less is sufficient, but then the critical mass required rapidly increases. However, judicious use of implosion and neutron reflectors can enable construction of a weapon from a quantity of uranium below the usual critical mass for its level of enrichment, though this would likely only be possible in a country which already had extensive experience in developing nuclear weapons. The presence of too much of the 238U isotope inhibits the runaway nuclear chain reaction that is responsible for the weapon's power. The critical mass for 85% highly enriched uranium is about 50 kilograms (110 lb), which at normal density would be a sphere about 17 centimetres (6.7 in) in diameter.
HEU is also used in fast neutron reactors as well as in naval reactors, where it contains at least 50% 235U, but typically does not exceed 90%. The Fermi-1 commercial fast reactor prototype used HEU with 26.5% 235U. For criticality experiments, enrichment of uranium to over 97% has been accomplished.[2]
so as you see, in LEU at it's high end of near 20%, the iranians have attained yet another bomb ingredient.
as always, however, the critical components are the highly accurate and fast response time relays needed in the circuits that launch the sub-critical masses together. unless they have them, pfft, fizzle no boom.
That according to the IAEA the best Iran has managed is leu to 3.9%. No boom from that, no matter how fancy you get.
And most thinking people don't believe they are making any Nuke. Iran signed the NPT (Non Proliferation Treaty) long ago. Israel Didn't.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfuG0Agtb6Y&fe...
Israel right wingers do NOT want any Powerful Country next to them who oppouses their expansionist agenda for a "GREATER ISRAEL"
Iran today is not in violation of any treaty having to do with atomic power or proceeding to harness atomic power for domestic power generation in ways plainly understood to be well within early 21st century practices.
Iran has signed international treaties that permit and allow Iran to do what Iran is doing regarding atomic power.
So who is trying to gin up controversy/conflict here and why?
WashingtonDC? Tel Aviv? Seems so.
Will WashingtonDC take up Israel's current status as a illegal holder of atomic weapons?
Israel is not in legal standing.Knowably so. WashingtonDC knows.
So how is it WashingtonDC overlooks this fact?
Iran is not illegal. Israel is not legal.
WashingtonDC is confused about what part of this Iranian/Israeli disparity?
This hipocrisy and convoluted thinking in WashingtonDC is worthy of little respect and much ridicule and contempt.
when will obama's chief of staff, rahm emmanuel, renounce his dad's ties to irgun?
both winston churchill and albert einstein considered irgun terrorist; does rahm not feel the same?
Just like that creepy guy that used to work for Bush, errr Chertoff was his name?
...and that worries me more than what his terrorist father did.
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is he the one who evacuated all the israeli spies around 9/11?
wish plunger was here -i can never keep all this stuff straightened out!
I think you're right, bull.
If a drone kills a child in Kandahar, do the crying parents make a sound?
You din't just say that! Teehee.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
...... like Iraq was.
Iran should just rent a few bombs from Pakistan or wherever as a deterrent to the utterly lunatic Likudniks who keep terrorizing them.
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