John McCain Dodges Question Of Whether Invading Iraq Was A Mistake
By Nicole Belle Sunday Oct 11, 2009 4:00pm
Is there a more perfect example of why Republicans should never be at the table when discussing our next moves in Afghanistan? Watch how Sen. John "On Any Sunday" McCain glosses over the constant cheerleading he and his GOP cohorts did in Iraq, despite there never being a connection between Saddam and 9/11, despite there never being any real WMDs, despite the fact that we created a vacuum in the country that enabled the burgeoning of al Qaeda in Iraq.
KING: Many see a parallel to Iraq, in the sense that it’s been eight years in Afghanistan, now it’s been billions of dollars, we have shed American blood there and yet, a European commission report out just this past week says for all the efforts to train the Afghan National Army, there’s a 24% rate of attrition. And others have said that not only do they leave, but they take their weapons with them and some of them still get paid. What has gone wrong and what is the United States doing wrong when it comes to the fundamental challenge of getting the Afghans ready to do this themselves?
McCAIN: First of all, rightly or wrongly, we were focused on Iraq. I happened to believe we had to win there. Whether we should have gone in or not, weapons of mass destruction, you’ve covered on other days. But I think the important point here is that again, if the military of a country does not think they’re going to succeed, you have all kinds of problems. Look at the total collapse of the Iraqi Army at one point after we had…we had built them up.
Um, hello? Do you not get that what YOU think is important is highly questionable when you can't get the fundamentals right? Honestly, you think the problem of attrition in the Afghan army has to do with them worried that they won't succeed? Do you even know what success looks like in Afghanistan? Do you have the hubris to assume that it looks the same for the Afghanis?
As Frank Rich says, Two Wrongs Makes Another Fiasco:
Let’s be clear: Those who demanded that America divert its troops and treasure from Afghanistan to Iraq in 2002 and 2003 — when there was no Qaeda presence in Iraq — bear responsibility for the chaos in Afghanistan that ensued. Now they have the nerve to imperiously and tardily demand that America increase its 68,000-strong presence in Afghanistan to clean up their mess — even though the number of Qaeda insurgents there has dwindled to fewer than 100, according to the president’s national security adviser, Gen. James Jones.
But why let facts get in the way? Just as these hawks insisted that Iraq was “the central front in the war on terror” when the central front was Afghanistan, so they insist that Afghanistan is the central front now that it has migrated to Pakistan. When the day comes for them to anoint Pakistan as the central front, it will be proof positive that Al Qaeda has consolidated its hold on Somalia and Yemen.
To appreciate this crowd’s spotless record of failure, consider its noisiest standard-bearer, John McCain. He made every wrong judgment call that could be made after 9/11. It’s not just that he echoed the Bush administration’s constant innuendos that Iraq collaborated with Al Qaeda’s attack on America. Or that he hyped the faulty W.M.D. evidence to the hysterical extreme of fingering Iraq for the anthrax attacks in Washington. Or that he promised we would win the Iraq war “easily.” Or that he predicted that the Sunnis and the Shiites would “probably get along” in post-Saddam Iraq because there was “not a history of clashes” between them.What’s more mortifying still is that McCain was just as wrong about Afghanistan and Pakistan. He routinely minimized or dismissed the growing threats in both countries over the past six years, lest they draw American resources away from his pet crusade in Iraq.
All I can say is if John McCain is pushing for troop surges in Afghanistan, that's all the more reason for me to consider withdrawal.








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in Iraq before he was against it?
he looks very depressed lately. i noticed that look last week when he congratulated the pres for the nobel. but if you had cindy as your wife i would have that look also.....
If he was POTUS, by now we would already be in a hot war in Iran (Bomb, bomb, bomb ... bomb, bomb Iran!) Hey, what's not to like about Iranian "Sunburn" missiles shutting down the virtual Persian Gulf oil pipeline? What's good for Wall Street oil speculators is good for America, right? And same-same McSame for our Israeli foreign policy overlords, right? -- The business of America is the business of WAR!
We would be well on our way toward regime change against the current Iraqi government, in preparation for our 100-year war there (Drill, baby, drill!)
We wouldn't have an unemployment problem here at home - the military recruiters would be sweeping up "likely candidates" off the street corners of Main Street America for the 100,000 man Afghanistan surge, and the 1,000,000 man (plus) army needed for our Iranian military adventure.
(And you can only imagine how disappointed Cindy is about her lack of return on investment - no First Lady gig for her ... ouch!)
(Of course, considering the vast political ambitions of VP Sarah Palin, McSame couldn't be expected to have survived some fatal accident beyond January 2011, with Darth Cheney stepping in as VP shortly thereafter.)
WTF does McSame know about PO (socialized, military?) HC, except as a privileged "Have and Have More" all his life?
WTF does McSame know about successful military operations, aside from being a VG little POW?
WTF is McSame still not pushing up daisies, let alone still a bought-and-paid-for RethugliKKKlan Senator?
Depressed? You betcha!
The reason he did not answer is because NOT EVEN JOHN MCCAIN can admit that this Iraq rope-a-dope was NOT harmful to the USA. If someone wanted to wreak destruction to the USA (both nationally and economically, it was THE perfect storm to have the likes of Cheney and GWB in office and then to have the WTC taken down in such a terror-postcard-perfect manner. GWB gobbled the bait, as any good GOP would do, and sent this nation into a "situation" that it would NEVER be able to recover from. I just thank GOD that Barack Obama won the Presidency lest this nation would undoubtedly gone into civil war.
appears to be about progress in Afghanistan. Not about a mistake in Irag.
The historic beat down of this imbecile is of the reasons(Bush being gone is the other)why Obama(by default) won the Noble Prize for peace.
I suspect that McCain knows about as much about war tactics and that kind of stuff, I think he knows about the same amount about this stuff as he knows about economics. Not a fucking thing. He just has the gung-ho bullshit attitude that got us into this mess. Jeez did we dodge that bullet when he was not elected.
McCain knows about "Line of battle" warfare!
He was in a military academy.
But studying most troop movements and won campaigns are based on topographical and numerical necessity and pure-dee-luck rather than strategy.
Where there tin Soldiers involved?
He graduated at the bottom of his class. I suspect they were forced to pass him because of his dad and his grandpa. He never studied anything, just like Bush never studied anything while he was at Yale.
Sun, 10/11/2009 - 17:41 — Alerta_Alerta
Where there tin Soldiers involved?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qswm7lHp7oY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QQJBvIcl-0
;)
Credit usually goes to Coven for writing this, but it was first recorded by "The Original Caste" 2 years before the Billy Jack movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7jHp7OchP0
Good song.
Being Wiccae you can guess what my preference is.
No idea what Wiccae is and i cba, tbh.
Strangely enough, that's what woke my brain up,
Along with the weed, hashish and coke I consumed in the Air Force.
Whatever works for you. I did pot, coke and mushies. And still my brain is completely fecked up.
;)
Good thing i'm not a reigh winger :p
at something like # 894 out of a class of 900 midshipman. I guess he spent a lot of time studying...what he studied, we don't really know.
“We had to win in there”? Why? What did we win?
We went ostensibly to remove WMDs. There weren’t any. What else did we have to win?
We sent troops to Afghanistan to remove those that were responsible for 9/11. Did we? Are we really removing that terrorist network? No. We are fighting a growing coalition that just doesn’t want us to be there. That coalition will be there as long as we are. We win nothing by staying.
But it is obvious to most of the US and the rest of the world that these are not really the reasons we went to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Remember that “straight talk” John? What happened?
George W. Bush handed Iraq to Iran at the cost of a TRILLION American taxpayer dollars and the lives of 4400 American soldiers with estimates of up to 100,000 Americans wounded, 300,000 Americans suffering traumatic brain injuries and untold tens of thousands of American soldiers suffering from chronic depression and committing suicide.
Invading and occupying Iraq has a totally DESTRUCTIVE needless FAILURE in every sense of the word.
George W. Bush is the most DESTRUCTIVE president in American history. DESTRUCTIVE TO AMERICA AND AMERICANS!!!
got away with it.
he needs to arrest those responsible based merely on known evidence. In an era when people are openly advocating an overthrow of a democratically elected leader, no one can claim that is a revolutionary idea.
was the result of Bush's dismantling of it after invading them. They had a military that they put out of work and took away their livlihood.
yeah, and before that it was all fun and games, right?
Not only is an Ilegal and Inmoral war but also 130K Troops make us bleed to dead?
Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000 (Congressional Research Service)
Who pays for that?
http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecuri...
So The surge works?
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I just can't watch this stuff anymore.
Eric Margolis: What Lies Beneath the War in Afghanistan
Yes fox is a wing of the republican party. No fox is not fair or balanced.
Always remember republicanism is a mental illness!
Footage of mcgramps at flight school:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhdksPFhCM
Ha! mcgramps - the original crash-test dummy.
Not the bomb dropping inferno? Hell fire, people running around in flames.
?
He fucking dropped bombs on the deck.
Edit: or did he fired rockets?
he dropped the bomb!
That's why he wears Depends now.
That rare footage is priceless, ysb!
He'll dodge this like he dodged taking any responsibility for MIA's in Vietnam.
One of the networks ought to just go ahead and give Grampy McSame his own Sunday talkshow already, since they seem to like putting him on TV so much. Lindsay Graham could be his sidekick, since he's already had a lot of practice hanging on to his hero's every word. John Ashcroft could be the bandleader, signing the theme song, "Let the Eagle Soar". Add the Tom Delay(ing indictment, somehow) Dancers and I might just be willing to sit through an entire hour of one of the other Sunday shows...
michelle Bachmann would get the 'sidekick' crown. Like Ed & Johnny, Conan & Andy.
McLame: "I rode the L.A. subway today...".
Bachmann: "Did you see God?"
McLame: "Name three things that have yeast."
Bacmann: "A loaf of bread, a jug of wine and you."
I would think it would be bachman that had the yeast.
If being a POW makes someone a military "expert", let's ask Charlie Manson on when we need an expert opinion on a Supreme Court decision.
would just freakin' tell us where Osama bin Laden is hiding, as he promised during the campaign, then we could get him, declare Al Qaeda null and void and end this stupid fiasco!!
Except, that we're not really there to get Al Qaeda, We're there to protect our access to pipelines for oil/gas resources and to make sure that the Bush Crime Family can still control the heroin exports.
Please, John McCain just go away. Go back to Arizona and quietly disappear from the public. I'm tired of looking at your sorry face.
... you've had too many blow jobs, your brains have been sucked out, swallowed, digested, transformed and passed on to the the most convenient sanitary systems.
John... your a shell of the POS you used to be... now tell us the REAL reason why you choose Palin (wink wink)!
for me.
How can anyone take this guy seriously?
Even the right-wing doesn't have much use for him anymore.
I don't think he has much of a base.
He got his ass kicked in the election and I think a lot of his votes were not so much for him, but were the knee jerk anti-Dem, anti-Negro in the White House vote.
He needs to retire and fade away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veyPHzxNjog
(Hey you kids, turn that racket down!!!)
You old flake. You've been married into that mafia family way tooo long...you'll say anything...Anything....
You and Fonda kissed Hanoi's ring. You sold us out then and, if you don't tell us where bin Laden is today, you'll sell us out again.....
McCains a flake...smokin' cigarettes with the Hanoi guard...pitooee!Tell the 101st how bad they were...getting kicked out of Saigon....yeah...admirals son...I was for it before I was against it. WMD and Palin....give us a break you flake...you snitch! You sell out!
RAM
(Republicans Against McCain)
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