Sunday Morning Bobblehead Thread
Fifty People, One Question--By the end of the day, what do you wish to have happen?
I have simple needs, I really do. I have no desire for a bigger home or a newer car. I don't want jewelry, designer clothes, a maid, or any other "keeping-up-with-the-Jones" status symbols. But sadly, the things that I do want seem far more unreachable than the possibility of getting those things. I want to see an honest debate in media over issues that concern Americans. Not pundit after pundit asserting some opinion as fact or some politico drumming up some stupid strawman that never gets questioned by the purported journalist hosting the show. We're at it again this week, with the ongoing topic of Sonia Sotomayor's nomination, Iran's election and health care reform topping the list. Perhaps rather than focusing on the crooks and liars in the media, we should start a blog of moments of honest debate...nah, there'd be next to no content.
ABC’s “This Week” - Kathleen Sebelius, Mitt Romney. Roundtable: Ron Brownstein, Kimberly Strassel, Donna Brazile, George Will.
CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sen. Mitch McConnell, Sen. Dick Durbin
NBC’s “Meet the Press” – Vice President Joe Biden. Roundtable: Joe Scarborough, Mike Murphy
NBC’s “The Chris Matthews Show” – Panel: Katty Kay, Claire Shipman, Helene Cooper, Norah O’Donnell. Topics: Why is Obama a more elusive target for Republicans than Bill Clinton was? Why do women report higher job satisfaction even if they are paid less? Meter Questions: Will President Obama's policies be a riper target than his personality for Republican critics? YES: 12 NO: 0; Will Senate Republicans attack Sonia Sotomayor as a liberal or show deference to her? YES: 10 NO: 2
CNN’s “State of the Union” - Kathleen Sebelius, James Carville and Mary Matalin, Sen. Ben Nelson, Sen. Susan Collins, Sen. Kent Conrad
CNN’s “Reliable Sources” - ABC News President David Westin on "The New Normal" -- a network-wide series devoted to what life will be like after the recession ends.
CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” - This week, the big story is the Iranian elections. What should the world expect from Iran? What will the outcome mean for Iran's relations with the U.S. and the rest of the world? And can real reform come to Iran?
“Fox News Sunday” - Sens. Chris Dodd and Charles Grassley. Thomas Donahue, the head of the Chamber of Commerce.
So, what's catching your eye this morning?
Mittens is back AGAIN?
The decent number of Democrats this week is encouraging. No Cheney's (Liz or Dick) and no Rove.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Listen to his answers about immigration, and how the GOP is "Pro immigration" and he said it without the merest hint of saracasm.
The Q&A ended with an ominous note: "Thanks MITT and we look forward to having you back"......NOOOOOooooooooo!!!!
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
After stating that LBJ said that one or both of the Medi's (care or aid) would cost 500 million, he pointed out that now it or they cost 500 billion. Yes, and gas cost 25 cents a gallon when LBJ was in office, too. Mitt's forthcoming book will be titled (with apologies to David Sedaris), "Me Talk Stupid Everyday."
that Obama said we should allow other countries to pursue nuclear weapons, which was a blatant lie.
So his lips were moving? I cannot figure out if he is truly stupid or a huge liar. Anyone know the answer?
And no one called him on it, I'm guessing?
Is there nobody else these shows can have on? It's the same clowns week after week after week after week........So is it the media, or the lifelong politician disease that's inflicting it's wrath on Sundays? It is utterly amazing how you can have shows with thousands of topics, but the same clowns to answer and assess everything.
Especially when they provide no honest answers and their assessments are completely, factually inaccurate--and yet no one ever steps in to say, "Uh, wait a minute. What you just said is not borne out by the facts."
One thing that caught my eye this morning was a bowl of fresh fruit cut up in cubes. It looked so good that I ate it all up.
Watching these shows is like watching a car race. Same drivers every week, just on a different track.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
put the run on a squirrel this morning, until the squirrel realized he was as big as she was......not a happy ending for dog. Imagine the embarrassment of being a dog, and being chased by a squirrel!
My dog is about the size of a squirrel and he just acts like he doesn't see the squirrels. Like the President, he picks his fights. He does however sometimes challenge a lizard. Martini is a two year old, 6.9 lb Yorkie, what's your dog?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
And to extend it further, watching them blather on is like a race also in that all they do is go around in circles over and over and after the occasional rhetorical crash up, in the end, nothing is resolved and they'll be back next Sunday to go at it again.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
On a race course they are always turning left. You won't see that on these shows.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Well spotted. I almost threw that in too and now I wish I had.
:)
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
the corporate sponsorship.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I fear you want what cannot be.
The media are not constructed to convey anything like that, even if it WERE possible to manage to create such an event. The media, as now constituted, are only capable of repeating propagandists' talking points, repeating the "Big Lies" that are told to shape discourse and the public narrative to the ends of the Owners' minions.
Much as I maligned the guy and as much as Timmeh deserved to be maligned, Gregory's wanking reaches new levels of shame and hypocrisy. Now maybe if Maddow was running one of the talking head forums, I'd watch but listening to a bunch of white people who would have been retired long ago in any other profession, wank on about what I should or should not believe is an exercise in frustration and endangers my television set.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
I commend you for your integrity, and unwillingness to lower yourself into the bowels of right wing, corporate debate. I still watch with a sense of resignation that most of this debate is deliberately skewed but it keeps my mind sharp peeling away all the propaganda.
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
"Will Senate Republicans attack Sonia Sotomayor as a liberal or show deference to her? YES: 10 NO: 2"
How do you have a yes or no answer to a 2 part question?
Surf on over to CNN someday. I have never seen a poll question there that can be answered with one of the choices provided and some are entirely subjective. IT harks to the belief that everything can be answered in a black and white fashion. Good vs evil, right vs wrong, up vs down. It's pointless and irrelevent because the world doesn't work that way. It's just like communism: It looks really good on paper and it turns out that it works really well....for ants. The trouble is, people aren't ants.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Yeah, that one threw me for a loop too.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I don't think those questions are mutally exclusive.
Nor do I see how "showing deference" is supposed to be "mutally exclusive" of "attacking someone for being a Liberal"? :-/
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
for Chrissy. He would never notice ... apparently his 'panel of experts' don't notice either.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
I get nervous every time VP Joe Biden is on anyone's show. Let's hope he stays on point and doesn't put his foot in his mouth. It's wonderful to see that a Cheney isn't on the list to cause us all to gag!
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And you know damned well Gregory will be doing his best to get Joe to mess up so that Gregory can grab the headlines for the next week. It's all about Gregory instead of all about actual points of interest to the country.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Biden might do a few gaffes, but it's nice to have a vice president who smiles once in a while (and not in an evil, "I'll bite your weenie off" way) and who doesn't get a hard-on for war and torture.
I thought Biden did well. He was serious, didn't let David push up against the wall and came prepared.
You're right, it's nice to watch a veep be interviewed without a bowl of dead creatures in front of him along with a spoon. You can't help but like Biden and you couldn't help but fear Cheney.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
And well said.
Radix Omnium Malorum Avaritia
I read this post every Sunday and NEVER am tempted to turn the TV on. Noise without substance is Sunday morning.
I liked your post though. I share the sentiment.
On FnS, Grassly disputes that "the 350 insurance companies need more competition (from the government)."
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZD4jmDf0Nw&fe...
Michael Franks - Sunday morning here with you
I'm grateful…that’s it……*smiles
LuLu
Wallace asked Grassley about his recent Tweet about Obama in Paris.
Wallace also asks Dodd about his wife possibly having a conflict of interest. Dodd points out the hypocrisy and how the company in question has no decsion-making power.
Earlier, in a Bizarro moment, Grassley defends the idea of "taxing healthcare benefits" as proposed by McCain (and supposedly Obama) while Dodd comes out strongly against any such taxes. :)
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Wallace introduces U.S. Chamber of Commerce Prez Donohue saying "you believe Obama is a threat to the Free Market System?"
Donohue: I don't think I said "Obama" specifically. I think that's what YOU wrote.
(Later, Wallace repeats lie that "Card Check does away with the Secret Ballot".)
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
...taints the argument. The bias is revealed in the terminology alone.
Next topic, Chrissy.
Maybe it's just me, but I've noticed something over the past few weeks on FnS (probably longer):
Whener they have a Democrat and Republican on remote at the same time, the background behind Republican is always bright blue while the background behind the Democrat is always gray.
Maybe it's nothing, but I'm noticing it every week now and can't help but think there's something to it.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
If fox is doing anything you can bet there is a reason.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I thought maybe it would change a little when Obama became president; but the lies just get bigger. I lived/worked in the old Soviet Union during the mid 70's and everyone took for granted that the media was just an extension of the government. Today it should be taken for granted that the media is also just an extension of the American government: The Corporations.
The government is just the puppet of the corporations.
After all, the corporations are the ones who 'pay' the Congress critters - make the huge 'donations' for campaigns and supply the lobbyists to 'assist' them as they decide what laws to enact. I can't really recall the last time any major legislation was put on the books that had anything to do with representing the Will of the American People.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
"Celebrity Politician." Try outs for influential corporate positions.
Right, there is that revolving 'game' that's played - the CEO's go from the corps to Congress/cabinet or other gov't office and back again.
I must say though, that during my career I worked for 2 major insurance companies (in a subsidiary business that had nothing to do with insurance) and had the 'opportunity' to know the CEO's and many senior executives fairly well. None of them ever struck me as being particularly bright; one CEO was a drunk, one President seemed to me to be a mafia guy, all the rest of them were just greedy, prima donas who thought they were superior to everyone else on the planet. I was actually sort of glad to be laid off when my job was eliminated so I didn't have to deal with these creeps any more.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
Politicians--CEO types. Same personalities. Greedy self-important prima donnas who feel superior to real people.
Listening to the "Fox Power Panel" discuss the possibility that the Iranian election was stolen was a bit surreal.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
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While Iran has declared Ahmadinejad the Winner, these numbers have been leaked out of Iran showing how the votes really accumulated:
(you'll have to go to my site for the chart)
Maseeh Alinejad is an Iranian reporter who was censored in her reporting from the Iranian Parliament in 2005. I have no more information about this reported result which I got through reviewing articles in niacINsight, a blog for Iranian-Americans that tries to follow internal happenings. That publication released this e-mail they got this morning:
Did you notice? The chart lists more votes than there are eligible voters. Sooo... what could this all mean?
They couldn't confirm the source.
Under The LobsterScope
What are we complaining about?
That's exactly how the Pukes took power in 2000 and kept it in 2004.
The only reason they didn't try it this last time is because they needed a scapegoat to distract the lumpen-proles from the signature on the crises, and to give 'em somebody to blame, in preparation for the Fascist Restoration in 2012...
there that was used in Ohio in our 2004 presidential election. How can they expect us to help them when we could not help ourselves?
Wallace admits that "off camera, Tom Donohue admits, "We REALLY want a healthcare plan", stressing how the business community thinks public healthcare is popular with big business.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
A real debate needs to allow participants ten-minute breaks to look stuff up when they get surprised by something.
I'd settle for zero lies, an ounce of context, and opinions from people who have a chance of being right. But I won't get that either. So turn off your TVs, everyone. The media can't possibly get better and can't possibly go away, so let them broadcast to themselves and see what their ad revenues are.
one of the most boring goddam video clips ever posted here.
It made me think.
About U!
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Biden did a reaonably good job of defending healthcare reform to Gregory, but once again, when confronted with the question, "How do we pay for it?" (Gregory even called it "a new entitlement"), I haven't heard ANYONE from the Obama Administration simply answer: "Premiums. How do think people pay for their insurance now??? People buy into the public system, they'll pay for it the same way they pay for private insurance now. THAT'S how you pay for it."
Why doesn't anyone ever say that?
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Because the Republicans know that the general population is incredibly stupid so that the Glenda Becks and O'Mousedicks can say, "They are going to raise your taxes" over and over and kill it before they can be told that it will save them money.
Read on:
www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.htm...
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
from attacking Krugman to attack Rich.
Argh!
On MtP, Gregory has on two pundits, Republican strategist Mike Murphy vs...
vs... Joe Scarburough???
Switch to FtN to see McChinnless??? Argh.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
worth watching is GPS. At least you'll sometimes see honest debate there.
Corporate television manufactures this alternative universe where everything marches to the beat of corporations, american hegemony, and a racist parade of mostly white pundits. It's mostly useless to anyone even slightly left of center, except to the paranoid who can keep a watchful eye on their adversaries. As long as the loudmouths on the "right" are given false equivalency even when they lie, spin, or are wrong, this is a medium headed towards extinction.
Politics is for the present, but an equation is for eternity. Albert Einstein
I'd like to think teevee's on the way out (though I know it isn't when I can see the size of my neighbors' screens growing exponentially when I walk past their living room windows).
We reacted last-second to the whole digital conversion thing with converter boxes. When they didn't work properly, my thought was, "Good. Turn the damn thing off and toss it in the yard. Maybe it'll make a nice flower pot."
My wife wouldn't let me, though. : )
i bet "face the nation" would get higher ratings if bob schieffer hosted the show at a different location each week.
one week, he could host the show while playing golf with h.w.
another week, he could host the show over breakfast with mr. and mrs. rumsfeld at mount misery.
or how about hosting a show at a saudi royal banquet, alongside james baker?
schieff should take advantage of the fact that he's such tight pals with the folks he's covering.
Mitt telling Steph-O that "The GOP is PRO immigration" and their anti-Mexican immigration reputation is undeserved... probably highlights the Republican Party's total obliviousness better than any clip I've seen so far.
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
Oh I'm sure that will change the minds of family and friends of emigrants who are being spit upon by the GOP. Is Mittens going to the same talking points school and Glenda Beck? That's the way to get the Latino vote there Mitster. Just tell them a flat out lie that is so obvious. Or maybe I should put it like the Republicans who were polled as top who the leader of the Republican Party is... Romney who?
Rommel, I mean Romney talking about including other than white males in the GOP?
to TeeVee
Our cable network has Music Choice, so I listen to classical music on Sunday morning instead of the drooling idiots from the Politboro like Gregory, etc. All I would accomplish by listening to them would be to yell obscenities at them for their incompetence.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
David Gregory has destroyed MTP. Unless you are a right wing nut Zionist. Then everything is just fine. I don't usually watch the show anymore but I wanted to see Biden. Biden did pretty well in spite of Gregory. What reinforced my dislike for the show was the second part when historically it has been a give and take between the two parties. What Gregory did this week was shameful yet what has become the norm. With all that is going on this past week he has on Scarborough and Mike Murphy. I can understand Murphy but Scarborough is a self promoting right wing propagandist hack who has zero credibility. Of course when you have on your ideological twin it makes for a great circle jerk but does nothing to help the debate of ideas which Russert at least tried to do. Gregory is epoch failure. I had to turn to George Will Staphintheoffice on ABC. Go to hell David Gregory.
When Gregory asked Biden about the higher than thought unemployment Biden should have just said, "Yes, it is truly amazing how badly Cheney/Bush fucked up our country and the world economy, isn't it David? Not even we Democrats could have imagined that they screwed it up this badly (shaking his head in utter disbelief)."
Life is only as complicated or easy as one makes it!
Your clip rung a bell ♥... complementary clip → → →
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Study the symptoms not the virus...
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