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Is it me or are all these authoritarian conservatives just losing their nuts now? George Will's latest column in Washington Post (*sigh* again? Katherine Graham must be spinning in her grave. The same paper responsible for taking down the Nixon presidency is now serving up fact-free and bizarre rantings of regressive conservatives) jumps all over Russ Feingold for his proposed change to the 17th Amendment, ending gubernatorial appointments to Senate vacancies, and requiring special elections to fill the seats. Will thinks we'd be better off just getting rid of the 17th Amendment:

A simple apology would have sufficed. Instead, Sen. Russ Feingold has decided to follow his McCain-Feingold evisceration of the First Amendment with Feingold-McCain, more vandalism against the Constitution.

The Wisconsin Democrat, who is steeped in his state's progressive tradition, says, as would-be amenders of the Constitution often do, that he is reluctant to tamper with the document but tamper he must because the threat to the public weal is immense: Some governors have recently behaved badly in appointing people to fill U.S. Senate vacancies. Feingold's solution, of which John McCain is a co-sponsor, is to amend the 17th Amendment. It would be better to repeal it.

What? Hold on...are you kidding me? We don't want no stinkin' voters deciding their representatives now? For those unfamiliar with the history, prior to the ratification of the 17th Amendment in 1913, the individual states' legislatures (not the voters) elected Senators to represent the states. It worked reasonably well until the Civil War, and then all hell broke loose:

This process worked without major problems through the mid-1850s, when the American Civil War was in the offing. Because of increasing partisanship and strife, many state legislatures failed to elect Senators for prolonged periods. For example, in Indiana the conflict between Democrats in the southern half of the state and the emerging Republican Party in the northern half prevented a Senate election for two years. The aforementioned partisanship led to contentious battles in the legislatures, as the struggle to elect Senators reflected the increasing regional tensions in the lead up to the Civil War.

After the Civil War, the problems multiplied. In one case in the mid-1860s, the election of Senator John P. Stockton from New Jersey was contested on the grounds that he had been elected by a plurality rather than a majority in the state legislature.[1] Stockton defended himself on the grounds that the exact method for elections was murky and varied from state to state. To keep this from happening again, Congress passed a law in 1866 regulating how and when Senators were to be elected from each state. This was the first change in the process of senatorial elections. While the law helped, there were still deadlocks in some legislatures and accusations of bribery, corruption, and suspicious dealings in some elections. Nine bribery cases were brought before the Senate between 1866 and 1906, and 45 deadlocks occurred in 20 states between 1891 and 1905, resulting in numerous delays in seating Senators. Beginning in 1899, Delaware did not send a senator to Washington for four years.

Now given all the games the Republicans have been playing in the two short years that they have not had the majority in Congress, does this seem like a smart thing to regress to? Of course, that could be Will's point/desire:

Although liberals give lip service to "diversity," they often treat federalism as an annoying impediment to their drive for uniformity. Feingold, who is proud that Wisconsin is one of only four states that clearly require special elections of replacement senators in all circumstances, wants to impose Wisconsin's preference on the other 46. Yes, he acknowledges, they could each choose to pass laws like Wisconsin's, but doing this "state by state would be a long and difficult process." Pluralism is so tediously time-consuming.

Irony alert: Feingold's amendment requiring elections to fill Senate vacancies will owe any traction it gains to Senate Democrats' opposition to an election to choose a replacement for Barack Obama. That opposition led to the ongoing Blagojevich-Burris fiasco.

By restricting the financing of political advocacy, the McCain-Feingold speech-rationing law empowers the government to regulate the quantity, timing and content of political speech. Thanks to Feingold, McCain and others, the First Amendment now, in effect, reads: "Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of speech unless it really, really wants to in order to guarantee that there will be only as much speech about the government as the government considers appropriate, and at times the government approves."

Now Feingold proposes to traduce federalism and nudge the Senate still further away from the nature and function the Framers favored. He is, as the saying goes, an unapologetic progressive, but one with more and more for which to apologize.

Oy, there's so much disingenuousness and anger there, it's hard to believe this joker passes as A. Very. Serious. Villager.

Open Left dismantles Will far better than I could.



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understand the need for an appointment to an elected position. It SHOULD be an election call unless it is within so many months of a natural election. The exact opposite of a democracy, is appointments. It's a disgusting political reward system. If it's an appointment, it should be without pay until such time as the electorate votes you in. I feel the same way about that joke of a Senate Canada has. It's just a political crony reward system.

Russ Feingold it should be!

Sorry about that, I'll go fix it ASAP

that didn't get the memo. Sorry George, the American People rejected your Republican nonsense, get used to it, your opinion is NO longer relevant!

He's more than a tool of the right wing; he's part of it. He praised a speech a GOP politician gave -- that Will failed to say was written by his own wife. And there's more I read within the past week that shows he is completely intertwined with the GOP and the right wing. Sure, he is articulate and wears a bow tie well. But he is not an observer, he's a participant. And none of these talking head shows completely disclose his deep political connections.

www.mediamatters.org/items/200902200022?f=h_top

This goes into more detail about the conflict of interest you mentioned.

If you don't have anything worthwhile to add, keep silent rather than proving you are a fool. Repeal the 17th Amendment? Put away the LSD, pal. This new minority status of your crack addled party must be really getting to you, huh George? Time for you to find a new line of work.

We ABSOLUTELY must destroy conservatism and the GOP. If we do not, it is the end of the United States.

what makes you any different than Rush saying that we must destroy liberals before they destroy the country?

We shine a bright light of scrutiny on conservatism and people will fall away from it on their own. But you cannot destroy it.

WE aren't advocating murdering our opponents, threatening another Civil War.

What I wonder is: are Mr. Will and the Others (limbag, orilly etc) really truly insane, or is it all an act? Some of those men and women are literally foaming at the mouth, and should be hospitalized.

no matter what ideology they are is worrisome.

You can say that conservatism is dead and that they are operating on a skewed moral compass, lack of logic, what have you, but you cannot say that we must destroy conservatives.

have you been paying attention to the... say... half century or so?

And they'll destroy themselves.

on dope, we'll hang ourselves if we get enough rope". -The Tubes- Is that why conservatives are so opposed to marijuana? Are they just keeping and using the best stuff themselves?

Freedom of speach for me, but not for thee..........

This sounds too much like Alan Keyes saying "we must stop Obama or the U.S. will cease to exist."

I don't like hearing statements like that from anyone.

One of my yearly conferences is with a trade that is dominated by companies that are mostly headquartered in southern states, and they ALWAYS invite right wingers. George Will is slated to be a guest speaker, so I appreciate all of the C&L writings and posts -- I can be better prepared to fire back at the Conservative lies and misdirections that invariably cycle around the conference.

I can only hope that Will tries to spew some of his lies regarding AGW because they are easier for me to debunk. I may even ask a question or two if he does. I need to catch up more on other issues.

I hope they pay you well to listen to his dribble, while in the company of rednecks.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/im...

So much easier to differentiate from the common tie-wearing Rethug then.

when you let people get away with lies... they get more and more blatant with the bullshit...

Will's a little out of date. I wonder if he approves of the Renaissance.

I fully support George Will starting a very public campaign proclaiming that US Citizens lose their right to vote for their senators. In fact, I hope they make it the centerpiece of the next mid-term elections.

I think it'll go over swimmingly with the public.

"...the same paper responsible for taking down the Nixon presidency..."

Watergate was an anomaly. Your boys Woodward and Bernstein got lucky one afternoon and a minor story blew up beyond the WaPo's ability to contain it.

Kate Graham, if she's spinning, is doing so because she didn't muzzle her reporters more effectively.

Guys like George Will are the voices of wealth. This tiny percentage of the electorate owns just about everything, including the media. Will's ideas may seem absurdly elitist to 99% of the country, but that tiny, super wealthy group agrees with him. They're all for anything that removes power from the "mob" and puts it in the hands of the people best suited to it; themselves, naturally.

That's why Will and other people like him have a place in the media.

When the cat's away the (R)ats will play.

I noticed today on This Week that, unlike last week when Paul Krugman wasn't there to smack him down for lying, George Will didn't try to sling any of his "FDR's policies didn't work" bullsh*t.

Broadcasting standards should dictate that George Will not be allowed to appear on any television show unless Paul Krugman is there to monitor and keep him honest.

That's my understanding of the situation anyway, and honestly, a lot of their "crazy" actions and statements make a lot more sense when viewed from that angle.

has affected seriously his cognitive faculties.

He is a modern mad hatter, you know... with all that mercury so close to your brain, it makes you go koo koo in the head.

I have to say I think with all the problems we have right now amending the constitution to require all the states to have special elections in those rare cases where a senator steps down in mid term seems like the wrong priority to me.

The 17th Amendment eliminated the influence of state governments in Washington.
I go farther than Feingold and propose that 2 Senators be elected by the people and one be chosen by the state's senate. This would add some complexity to the two-party voting system and bring regional bloc voting into play at the federal level. State governments would have some direct say in Washington for a change. I think state's rights might get some play finally and we would see some benefits in reducing federal power.

Were elitist, rich, white and educated and believed that the average poor citizen didn't know enough to elect representation to Congress. James Madison believed that the poor along with the rich should have power in government and that is why the House of Representatives is the "People's House" and the Senate remained the "elitist house". This two houses were a comprise that was reached.
If we repeal the 17th amendment, what will be next? Eliminate the right for women to vote? George Will is just another elitist who thinks his poop doesn't stink.

I don't think the Question should be why do People listen to this Idiot. I think the Question should be why is ABC.Throwing this Bullshit
Hack a Microphone? Oh that's right DISNEY.

George Will isn't losing it. He lost it long ago. However, prior to the common folk's access to the internet, Will's pontifications could escape close scrutiny. Now, when his words are actually fact-checked, and verified for reason, Will is no longer able to hide behind his vocabulary and fake accent.

It should be noted that George Will is not alone in losing his authority. Many columnists, such as Milband, Cohen etal, are now being exposed as basic know-nothings with large vocabularies, little cognitive ability and faulty historical knowledge.

BTW - It is fun to see George Will smacked down by Krugmann whenever Will tries to expound on economics.

It really doesn't seem like there's a big enough problem here to warrant a constitutional amendment. Various states have successfully imposed requirements on the appointment process by statute. If the federal courts were to rule that they could not do so, then there would be a need for an amendment. However, for the time being, any state that is concerned about this should pass a law or initiative controlling the process the Governor could use to appoint a Senator.

For Will's suggestion. After all, the original Constitution was intended to have the HOuse of Representatives be responsive to the People, and the Senate be responsive to the States. The House protected the People's rights and interests, and the Senate did the same for the State. Now, there is functionally no difference between the Senate and the House. They are both elected by the People, yes, but if both are responsive to their constituents, then there is no body that is looking out for the interests of the states as a whole. The dynamic in each body is the same.

Yes, there were problems with States electing senators in the past, but theoretically the individual members of the State legislatures are responsive to their constituents, which means that their inability to work together to elect a State Senator should be paid for at their local elective level.

Don't shout down his idea without thinking through the original purpose of the Founding Father's system.

But so-called "conservatives" pick and choose when states' rights are applicable. Medical marijuana and right to die? Nope, they're not acceptable. Instant runoff voting, public financing of campaigns? Also unacceptable because then even less republicans will win. Fixing our corrupt lobbying apparatus? Again, somehow they claim free speech is threatened. They're very selective with their standards.

We shouldn't have a Senate at all. It's a throwback to the time when the Senators would be of the "gentile" class and would serve as a valve on the exuberance of the House. These would be the wealthy, connected, landowners and would represent that class of people. We're past that.

There should be a unicameral legislature made up of Representatives that represent no more than 50,000 people. There would be about 6000 members.

But then, that would go along with my other "improvements" such as an executive council instead of a president and a process of judicial review that occurs before a bill becomes law instead of having to wait for litigation. It's a far superior system than the shit one we have now.

The solution to this is all very simple: we have to stop electing morons to serve as governors. Unfortunately, we have proven ourselves time and again to be incapable of this slight adjustment.

Let's make the U.S Senate more akin to the House of Lords and take them out of the legislation process. Afterall, it's the House that represents the People. While we're at it, let's have the House elect one of their own as President, kinda sorta like Great Britain does it. That way the President will always be of the same party as the majority. It might get sticky once in awhile, but it'd be a helluva lot more democratic and less expensive.

As much as I hate to quote the late Vice-President Spiro Agnew (Nixon's guy, ousted when he got caught with his hand in the till), I just cannot resist labeled Georgie Will as A POINTY-HEADED INTELLECTUAL. Only, in his case, make that a pointy-headed pseudo-intellectual.

Frankie Pace jokes that a thesaurus is a dinosaur that knows a lot of words. Fits pretty well for Georgie Will.

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