Why G.W. Bush should be frogmarched before the Hague
By David Neiwert Wednesday Dec 31, 2008 9:00am
A political scientist named Michael Haas has just published a book titled George W. Bush, War Criminal? The Bush Administration's Liability for 269 War Crimes:
Based on information supplied in autobiographical and press sources, the book matches events in Afghanistan, Guantánamo, Iraq , and various secret places of detention with provisions in the Geneva Conventions and other international agreements on war crimes. His compilation is the first to cite a comprehensive list of specific war crimes in four categories-illegality of the decision to go to war, misconduct during war, mistreatment of prisoners of war, and misgovernment in the American occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Haas accuses President Bush of conduct bordering on treason because he reenacted several complaints stated in the Declaration of Independence against England, ignored the Constitution and federal laws, trampled on the American tradition of developing international law to bring order to world politics, and in effect made a Faustian pact with Osama Bin Laden that the intelligence community blames for an increase in world terrorism. Osama Bin Laden remains alive, he reports, because Bush preferred to go after oil-rich Iraq rather than tracking down Al Qaeda leaders, whose uncaptured presence was useful to him in justifying a "war on terror" pursued on a military rather than a criminal basis without restraint from constitutional checks and balances.
The worst war crime cited is the murder of at least 45 prisoners, some but not all by torture. Other heinous crimes include the brutal treatment of thousands of children, some 64 of whom have been detained at Guantánamo. Sources document the use of illegal weapons in the war from cluster bombs to daisy cutters, napalm, white phosphorus, and depleted uranium weapons, some of which have injured and killed American soldiers as well as thousands of innocent civilians. Children playing in areas of Iraq where depleted uranium weapons have been used, but not reported on request from the World Health Organization, have developed leukemia and other serious diseases.
"Bush's violations of the Constitution as well as domestic and international law have besmirched the reputation of the United States," Haas writes. "In so doing, they have accomplished a goal of which the Al Qaeda terrorists only dreamed-to transform the United States into a rogue nation feared by the rest of the world and loved by almost none."
I'll be reading this to assess how accurate it all is, but I frankly won't need a lot of convincing. After all, I was calling for an investigation of Bush on these grounds even before we invaded Iraq. The problem, obviously, has only mounted exponentially in the intervening months and years.
Haas also has a blog in support of the book that's worth checking out.
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If he isn't a war criminal, I don't know how you would define one. The list of the things that we know for sure that he's done should be enough for any prosecutor to win his or her case.
Well well well...that would be somethin.
GAH!!! Darn you PoP!!! ;)
Sorry! I'm in rapid fire mode today. Trying to hurry this day along so we can say AMF to 2008.
Same here...I'm ready to get my drink on.
Pearl getting her drink on:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/74/the-landl...
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Bush has done what Al-Queda could have never done. He had brought down the United States. Bin Laden has to be thrilled with what his brother-in-arms has accomplished. After being convicted of treason at home for outing a CIA agent BushCo should be frog marched off to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes, war mongering, war profiteering and mass murder, Once convicted Bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld should be frog marched to Saddam's gallows.
Al-Queda...C.I.A.
Al-Queda...C.I.A.
Al-Queda...C.I.A.
C.I.A...Neo-Con Agenda.....etc., etc., etc., etc.........
Saddam's gallows turned out to be a guillotine if my memory serves me...
Are Chimps crimes really as bad as a consensual blow job ? Lets not be silly.
I'm thinking.....
The republics didn't care about the blowjob, it was that nasty lying about it. If there's one thing they can't stand, it's lying. hahahahahhaha I cracked myself up again
"In so doing, they have accomplished a goal of which the Al Qaeda terrorists only dreamed-to transform the United States into a rogue nation feared by the rest of the world and loved by almost none."
Yeah but here we can get iced cream in 31 different flavors.
What the hell is Tutti-Frutti anywho?
A kick ass Little Richard song.
As a War Criminal, this mother fucker finally achieved something.
He also achieved becoming the most hated US president in history both at home and abroad. Between bike rides and brush clearing he had to really work hard to accomplish that.
If he were to be arrested and brought before the Hague it wouldn't surprise me at all if the majority of Americans support him and would be outraged at the thought of an American President subject to any criminal action. Do not forget the right wing owns the majority of media. There would be nothing but outrage and calls for war 24 hours a day.
So in spite of the 2008 election results where the right got their asses handed to them on a platter and a mandate for change and accountability was embraced, we should cower in fear of the right and do nothing?
Nancy Pelosi, is that you?
Tell me where in my post did I indicate anything that would have you believe that I was saying that we should "cower in fear and do nothing"? What a ridiculous statement. Do you think a vast majority of Americans would support the criminal prosecution of an American President in a foreign court?
"Do you think a vast majority of Americans would support the criminal prosecution of an American President in a foreign court?"
You are going base on doing what's right, moral and legal on what a majority would or would not support?
I think letting someone get by with war crimes just because he's an American president and because the "right wing media" might not like it is ridiculous.
Actually, I think he's right. Americans have historically been resistant to our soldiers being tried in foreign courts for even routine criminal behavior like rape. And America's sense of fair play is skewed, fair for me but not for thee.
And although prosecutions shouldn't be based on what the majority supports, conviction by jury is by majority.
Where have I said that it shouldn't be done because he is an American president and because the "right wing media" might not like it? I thought for sure when the Downing Street Memos came out that would be the tipping point on this criminal administration and by now most would be serving time. I still believe that the vast majority of the United States Public would not support any action by the Hague and they would be backed by the Corporate media. If you disagree fine but don't put meaning where there is none.
Boy it sure is a good thing MLK didn't say in the 1960's "I'm not going to push for civil rights for African Americans because a majority of Americans are against it." By your argument I guess that's what MLK...and Harvey Milk with gay rights in the 1970's....should have done. It would not have been supported by a majority of Americans at the time so the civil rights movement should have never happened using the logic from your original post.
And I still say go for it, not because it's popular (civil rights movement, prop 8, hello?) but because it's the right thing to do. What's the worst that can happen, we gain back respect of the global community for at least trying? l say go for on that basis alone.
Germany did not prosecute any of their war criminals, did they? plus, any prosecution here in the US would be deemed as political motivated vs. for the good of the country and to restore justice in our government. A prosecution in the US will never happen. Let's send copies of this book to the bounty hunters abroad. Really.
Given the disasterous legacy of the Bush administration, the incoming Obama administration should stick to what is reasonably possible, rather than wasting time and resources trying to get President Bush and co before the Hague.
It will not happen. First, most Americans will not support it (therefore it won't happen). Secondly, it sets a very bad precedent. EVERY US President authorizes (directly or indirectly) something that could be alleged to be a war crime EVERY time the US goes to war.
Name the time and date the United States Congress declared war on Iraq. Just another bush league lie.
..that would give a president pause - before he goes off and starts another illegal conflagration in order to enrich his fascist corporate buds and the folks who own the international financial cabal?!!
What is the definition of an American? Patriotic Nationalism to the extreme. Just look online. There are some that literally group attack anyone that they "think" is not from the USA, just for questioning either party's leaders. Look at how patriotism is always some kind of trump card for the rightwing, leftwing, and center wing. Calling people UnAmerican amongst other things. You can still see "Support Our Troops" and "Win the war on terror" bumper stickers all over the place. It's one thing the USA has lots of even when sometimes misplaced. Pride.
You little victim! You get slammed because of what you say, not where the hell it comes from. And stop watching Lou Dobbs...it's making you paranoid.
Please see LeftandLeft. Obama employee of the year and winner of the Misplaced Hatred Award. Oh don't feel bad, there are partisan runners up from both parties.
...except for the Cubs sucking.
And BTW, how do you speak while your tongue is firmly planted up Limbaugh's cavernous anus, and is it hard to hear through the blockage of Rush's gigantic butt cheeks on your ear lobes?
LMFAO!
to further prove my point, flaming. Nice. The defence rests your honour.
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Yet I do understand why you don't get it with your hero President Pablo Escobar wiping his ass with our constitution these eight wretched years.
"Patriotic Nationalism to the extreme."
I totally agree ConcernedCanuck. As a Canadian who blogs from a perspective well to the left of most of the 'progressive' blogosphere, I have occasionally come into disagreement with left-wing bloggers who should be allies. In most cases their first reaction is to point out that I'm Canadian, under the assumption that that will automatically invalidate my point of view. It's a variation of the ad hominem attack, which is of course the tool of someone who doesn't have a real counterargument on offer.
And that's what you can expect from the enlightened LEFT in America. The reight wing is even more xenophobic and jingoistic.
Actually that would be more of an Argumentum ad Geneseon.
But National Sovreignty cuts deep in ALL societies.
if you're not an American.
Actually, it goes further than that. I AM an American. I just happen to live 10 or so months out of the year in Canada. That's enough for many so-called left wing bloggers to try to censor my views (hello Ms. Kitty).
Also, some of those who are apparently the proudest of being "progressive" are among the first to use ad hominem attacks against anyone with a contrary view. (See LeftandLeft's response to ConcernedCanuck and GunsandBIGOTS' responses to RayC above).
I think Bush is and should tried as a war criminal, but in the above pargraphs there is some untrue info. Cluster bombs, napalm, white phosphorus, DP weapons are not illegal, so it makes me wonder if this is just a throw as much shit on the wall and see what sticks kind of book. I would like to see Bush get tried here but I think that getting a jury would be tough so send the POS to the Hauge.
They're illegal under international human rights laws if used on civilians, so that's covered. Most of the deaths from fragments of cluster bombs have occurred to children who find them all shiny peeping out from the grass or between rocks. White phosphorus does not differentiate between civilians and military troops -- it kills them all. Depleted uranium bombs don't differentiate between civilians and military personnel either, so they've ALL been used illegally by the US.
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I think it's great that Mark Haas's book has come out just in time to give Bush some more fodder for his "legacy" framing.
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We're celebrating big-time tonight, got sparklers for my 6.5 yr-old grandson, cookies and chocolate milk!
The weapons are not illegal for use in the armed forces of the Untied States, WP is used in every flare that is set off, DP rounds for tanks are and have been used for years. All military weapons that are meant to kill are illegal to use on civilians, but are still legal when used agianst armed enemies. The US has not signed off on any of those prohibitions that are in the UN human rights laws, sad but true.
White phosphorus and depleted uranium are illegal chemical weapons. I guess you miss the mustard gas days?
Under whos law? and for the last comment there is that quaint American saying, what is it, uh yeah it starts with a F and ends in a U. Just b/c you want to be illegal doesnt make it so.
And every person who set foot in Iraq, with intent to harm is a war criminal under Nuremburg Protocols.
Say it's legal 1 million times, that will set me straight.
You are just nuts, nuremburg protocols, where did you get that from. If you want to be an adult please do a gogol search and all your questions will be solved, I highly recomend the UN page about banned weapons and you will clearly see that you are wrong. Lastly, if I get your staement right, all of the soldiers are war criminals? CRAZY
I stand behind the constitution and that's right EVERY one who set foot in Iraq with intent to do harm is a WAR CRIMINAL. To bad more of us aren't crazy for our constitution.
Depleted Uranium
Depleted Uranium and Cluster Bombs
White Phosphorus
Napalm Outlawed under the Geneva Conventions in 1980
So you see, the US's use of illegal weapons doesn't make them legal, even if the government tres to cover its ass at home by passing laws that say they are legal. Sort of like Bush tried to cover his ass by saying torture is legal, it's only "enhanced interrogation". Our actions are judged legally by those who don't live within our borders and don't have any particular allegiance to the US way of doing imperialism, and they are judged by other standards than US law.
But as I read through them, these were resolutions from the un and not signed by US, or NATO, for that matter. The WP article in security net I have read before and if you look in pargraph 3 it clearly states that they are not illegal. The napalm article by the Humanitarian lawyer group is about the Fallujah incident that invoved the use of napalm and air blast weapons that it states the Geneva conventions articles agianst the use of the weapons agianst civilian and hospital targets. Has the Bush pentagon used the weapons agianst civilians, you betcha, and for that alone he should be tried, but the weapons are not illegal under US law and that goes for dem and rep admins. My only gripe about the article was that he was trying to hard and going into places were that charge wont stick in any fair court. If we were to charge Bush with the charge of using these illegal weapons, then Clinton and Papa Doc Bush also are war criminals.
Google spell check.
Jeff
Just because the US didn't sign the treaties, and of course they didn't, does not make the use of banned chemicals as a weapon against civilians legal. That's the whole point of the discussion. A corollary is that Bush claims he hasn't committed any crimes, simply because he and his cronies say so.
Life doesn't work that way.
As I said in the post above: "Our actions are judged legally by those who don't live within our borders and don't have any particular allegiance to the US way of doing imperialism, and they are judged by other [legal] standards than US law."
So, while I admire your digging to get to the bottom of what's permitted or not, ALWAYS take anything the Bush administration says with an enormous dose of salt. They simply aren't the authority on international law and standards for human rights. Nor what weapons are lawful to use in conflicts.
Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon swore up and down the troops didn't use napalm in Fallujah, but the truth finally came out -- they did. There was a REASON they denied it. It was illegally used on civilians to essentially kill everyone remaining in the city, children, the elderly, families who had nowhere to go, and dozens of other circumstances. They knew it was illegal and did it anyway and hoped to lie their way out of it.
I had to laugh when you said"...ALWAYS take anything the Bush administration says with a enormous dose of salt." like in a 50lbs bag of rock salt or even one of the salt mines. The use of the weapons on civilians is illegal, not the weapons themselves, the weapons were made for set piece battles agianst like armwd armies. I think that the best way I can put it is thus, owing a gun is not illegal, shoting my neighbor for playing is music to loud is. As to your thought about who judges our actions, if what you are saying is that the UN, or other intl org, is the final say on what is a legal weapon or not. I am not to sure about how that would work without everybody agreeing on that. If that was the case then any country could delare any weapon illegal and have the offender charged, it would be like outlawing war, great idea, but I dont see how it would work.
right?
I have never understood the Democrats' resistance to calling for the impeachment of both Bush and Cheney.
Bush's presidency will end just as all his other professional endeavors have - with him smirking and head-bobbling his way out the door while leaving a mess behind him. Accountability zero.
They are truly crooks and liars. Closed-door meetings, secret e-mails that conveniently got lost, people who 'don't know' and 'can't remember,' and a president who constantly exhibits the body language of a liar / guilty man.
And prize nitwits like Bobby 'The Exorcist' Jindal and Caribou Barbie are supposed to be the future of the Republican party?
Whatever they put in the water must be working, because America's falling for it again. We're losing our homes and jobs, and Bush's buddies are walking off with trillions of our tax dollars that they will never, ever repay.
Have you listened to Dem leadership in the last 8 years? They are just as guilty, that's why they in no way want any type of honest investigation. They are all in on it.
baby jesus has high hopes for this book
baby jesus is monitoring/ignoring all world events from Pas de la Casa, Andorra
baby jesus wishes all the silly little humans a happy new year full of war crime tribunals
Thanks for dropping in Baby J. Happy new year to you too.
Baby Jesus, we have seen the error of our ways by voting Republican in the past. Will you now spare us floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes and financial ruin in 2009? We got the message, the GOP is the party of the devil and is the antithesis to everything you stand for. Because of that so called "Christian" in the White House the world hates us and we see that now. The message was further driven who when after that Christofascist prayed for rain on the Democratic convention you sent Gustav to disrupt the Republican convention. In your name Baby Jesus I ask thee spare us in 2009 Amen.
have you learned how to whistle yet? You might want to start practicing, little dude.
having done what he has, he surely would have hung at Nuremburg for waging aggressive war and for torture.
You're absolutely right.
The difference, though not a moral one, is that Germany was soundly defeated in WW II, and so far, GW's war-making hasn't resulted in either a win or a lose, certainly not a defeat of America. IOW, the citizens of Germany were too demoralized and their country pretty much shattered by their defeat to stand up for or protest the Nuremburg trials. Americans are still cocky.
Oh man, I could make a dirty joke with that one.
But I don't think I will.
Jealous?
Your attraction for dirty jokes does not make me jealous, but it has led me to coin another name for you based on your username -- Mr. Ickybottom, if I may be so kind...
That said, I do appreciate your admirable self-control. I appreciate mine, too. I listened to the Chordettes "Lollipop" (after your recommended "Mr. Sandman") and was really aghast at the naughty thoughts that popped into my consciousness as I did. But I won't go there, Mr. Ickybottom. Just so you know...
having done what he has, he surely would have had parades in his honor and a statue or two commemorating his victories.
That is the question, and it's a toughie, because someday it could be Obama's own butt on the line. Of course, that assumes Obama does not plan to respect international law.
We will know very soon.
of ignoring both presidential misdeeds and the facts surrounding presidential assassinations.
"Dick Cheney is the most dangerous Vice President in the history of America". WHY did Joe Biden say that?
"Why G.W. Bush should be frogmarched before the Hague"
Ironic, ain't it, since the frogs were against the war in Iraq.
fries for everyone! How dare the world question the American Presidunce was the battlecry all over the internet.
The right-wing side, yes.
the right? Not sure about here, cuz back then I was online with AOL. Both sides of the political spectrum on there were quite rabid in their attacks on anyone that questioned the intentions of GW. Even the supposed Dem faithful, were on board.
I don't know much of AOL, it may tend to draw a more conservative group. However, what happened during the build-up was some yammering about supporting the troops, and being patriotic, BUT this is a bad idea etc etc etc. Moderates to liberals were hoping the non-reception at the UN, and the restrictions in the AUMF would slow boosh down if not stymie him entirely. Then he couldn't even get most of our traditional allies on board, and had to come up with this farcical Alliance of the Willing (which many of us called the Bribed). I'm not sure what exactly happened with our attitude to the French, other than dislike for their leader in particular, and their rather condescending view that anything worthwhile had to be from France (except Jerry Lewis.)
On top of that the corporate controlled media had a nonstop martial drumbeats, anchormen and women wore flags on their lapel, and no matter what channel you watched it seemed the same headline, America Strikes Back, like George Lucas was directing it. But Jar Jar Binks would've done a better job of running the invasion. On talk shows, people opposed the war. bill o'really was actually threatening a man who lost his father on 9-11, because he opposed the war. Any questioning of boosh by other Americans were met by the dregs of society like ann colter with their, "You're part of blame America first crowd," "Why do you hate America?" The dissent was there but never given a fair hearing.
And I think it would be even more rabid, if a world body even attempted to bring Bush and his buddies to justice. However, I can visualize a Panama type raid, huge spotlights, military surrounding the Whitehouse, blaring Metallica's Enter Sandman and broadcast all over the world by Wolf "mother of all"Blitzers
I thunk this might be more effective:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcW0FNS1L8g
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I should also mention that what you're decrying is a universal fault. People of all countries are always so concerned with their sovreignty, that any international movement either in the UN or World Courts is seen as an imposition unless it's aiming at a peripheral world tin-pot dictator. Think of it this way xenophobia is based on both Greek Xeno=stranger, Latin=fear, and national chauvinism is based on the French, Nicholas Chauvin.
Most people are patriotic to the point, that at times they ignore common sense, and listen to the glorious bull spouted by one politician or another thru the mediatainment industry. Mass brainwashing is very effective. I'm yet though to hear any Canadian leader (could be wrong, if I am I apologize in advance) end every major political speech with "and may Gawd bless america" just to punctuate the scam. As for leaders being held responsible however, I don't think Canada would jump en masse and tackle a world body for even attempting to prosecute a leader. I could be wrong.
I'm not sure, but I think Abraham Lincoln in one of his speeches on the Civil War said something along the lines of, "MAY God protect us in this endeavor..." he didn't presume such would be the case, as so many politicians do today, "God Bless America."
Even the Brits tend to do this with their National Anthem God Save the King (Queen.)
that is where the US politicians get it from. My grandfather always told me the Brits did this because they were an insecure nation.
all you fine people here. 1. our gov. is crooked. 2. it will be hard to get them to fry one of their own. 3. we'll never give up. 4. 20 days left for the super crooks. 5. we know what does'nt work,that only leaves what will work. 6. weapon of choice: Truth. 7. CHEERS for a happy F***'in New Year. Ya'll come back here next year,ya hear?
So Bush admits that al-Qaeda was not in Iraq prior to the invasion. Who, then, is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? Why did we have to see his picture 24 hours a day for three years? And why was he deemed responsible for everything and anything that happened in Iraq if he wasn't even there? Really. The people should demand the truth. NOW! I, especially, need to be told the truth. NOW!
IF you'd actually been paying attention to the news at the time you would be very much aware that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi went to Iraq AFTER the invasion! He was I believe in Syria prior to that. As I said you'd already know this IF you had paid attention and you could have found it out in a matter of seconds IF you'd taken the time to try to. As to the reason he was deemed responsable for anything and everything that was because the US didn't want to have to admit that a large part of the attacks againt the illegal occupiers was being carried out by Iraqis.
.....IF you'd actually been paying attention to the news at the time you would be very much aware that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi went to Iraq AFTER the invasion! He was I believe in Syria prior to that. As I said you'd already know this IF you had paid attention and you could have found it out in a matter of seconds IF you'd taken the time to try to. As to the reason he was deemed responsable for anything and everything that was because the US didn't want to have to admit that a large part of the attacks againt the illegal occupiers was being carried out by Iraqis.....
You are spot on about Bush blaming Zarqawi so not to admit the attackers were Iraqis.
But regarding everything else you have to say about Zarqawi. Nice try. I'm looking for the REAL truth -- because I DESERVE it.
He should be tried in the US, preferably by the justice department, on murder charges.
Anyone who hasn't all ready should check out Vincent Bugliosi's great book The Prosecution Of George W. Bush for murder. Bugliosi makes thecase against Bush simply and elegantly. He also gives the reasons why Bush shouldn't be (and really can't be) brought before the Hague.
But really, Bush is OUR problem. WE created it and WE should be the ones to do something about it. And that would go a long way on fixing our reputation abroad.
The worst that could happen to Bush at the Hague would be a life sentence. The problem is that whether a prosecution is pursued within the US or internationally, many other entities are vulnerable to charges. Those would include two Secretaries of State, three Attorneys General, and most of the legislators on both sides of the aisle - who either authorized serious crimes or ignored them.
That would have little impact in international courts, but with all the powers that be running interference I doubt that justice would ever be achieved in the US.
International courts, right now, are only set up to try foreign leaders, when it seem their own countries will not. Such may be the case with our spineless Democrats in Congress. But something like the Hague wouldn't be the first stop.
With the Nazis the problem wasn't just with Hitler alone, but because the entire government seemed corrupted by human right violations.
Those would include two Secretaries of State, three Attorneys General, and most of the legislators on both sides of the aisle - who either authorized serious crimes or ignored them.
SO
There would have to be actual charges, not just accusation, and charges can only come from actual investigations first. But with booshco's proneness toward secrecy, and this current push to bipartisanship, such investigations are not likely.
I know bush doesn't want his own death warrant signed so he entrapped others.
After bush on the gallows, nancy should be next.
If we execute 200 members of congress for war crimes,for voting to gut the constitution by enabling the war, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. You don't push back the cancer ,you cut it out.
Or you smoke weed.
The cush.
For awhile, the thought of a good old-fashioned "Western" (as Bush is so fond of the cowboy meme) hanging did sound ....um...interesting..
........however................
I think what would be even better would be that the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice, etc bunch would have to give up ALL their assets...homes/cars/portfolios, even what is stashed away in the new "swiss banks" aka Cayman Islands and other off-shore accounts....not to mention perhaps the trust funds set up for kiddies (?)..
etc.
after all, Laura was a librarian, and she should have no problem finding work...if she can find an open library..and surely the girls with their college degrees should be able to find something...all those kids who have lived off the profits of killing...........
and pay to the families of those servicemen/women killed and a lot of it going to the Iraqi people to start cleaning up their country.
and not say anything about the decider and his cohorts from then on (you know how Bush loves the limelight although it wouldn't bother Cheney except for the fact he'd be sitting in a lot smaller room than his place in Wyoming)....I'm sure Lynn Cheney could get by with writing some more books..........
just a thought.
That's the only way to stop the slide into dictatorship in America...
All over the world, Pakistan vs India, Somalia still seething, Afghanistan was left to soon and now the Taliban are strong again, Osama Bin Ladin is still in the hills free to give out orders, Iran, who used to be a partial ally is now a bitter enemy, Virtually every Islamic country is now radicalizing.
Bush's attitude and his stupidity in allowing the NeoCon and the PNAC crowd AND the Religious Right come into our Government has done more harm to this country than has happened in all my time on the planet (71 years)
The World was ready to stand by our side on November 12th, 2001 to fight terrorist acts, and they were all with us until Bush decided to Invade Iraq. The rest is all the worst of recent history.
YES, He, and the rest of his crowd SHOULD be on trial, but it wont happen unless it is done by other countries.
Israel is following the Bush Policies of kill as many people as possible to get control of land. Bush showed by example how you can now lie then invade then steal and murder millions as the World watches. Americans watched as Bush/Cheney put the US Economy in a recession and blamed it on Clinton and Obama as people believed it and now demand Obama fix it or get impeached. Every appointee Bush put in the top job lied under oath. Generals protect the White House crimes even killing US Soldiers and covering it up. The US has tried to assassinate other World Leaders and gives money to terrorist groups in Africa for the conflict. Bush/Cheney have back stabbed every friend the US has had. When Speaker Hastert left office with his stolen money the White House quickly gave Nancy Pelosi's husband a big US contract for her cooperation and it worked. During the election Pelosi was all about protecting the American people. Afther ther meeting and bribe from Bush, her first statement was " Impeachment is off the table, let's pray for the President". Money and Greed is the fuel that was used to bring the United States down. Every Law Maker can be brought as we see with not one asking Hank Paulson where 700 billion dollar bailout money went. Yes Bush/Cheney were right to use the American people it was so easy it's like taking candy from a baby. Now Israel learned well as today they are working to wipe the Palestine people of the face of the earth and not allowing Journalist or anyone to report the horror. Well I guess the Jewish people have forgotten how they were treated by the Nazi or maybe with the training of murder by the Bush Administration kill as many people as possible and plan it on Clinton or Obama.
I wonder where on Earth Israel got the idea of killing lots of people in order to just STEAL their real estate????
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/map...
Book is by Michael Haas, not "Mark."
T'aint Mark.
Doh! Fixed.
1 - Investigate possible crimes by George Bush et all
2 - Prosecute
3 - Punish
I recommend henceforth the adoption of gravitas when writing about these matters.
Frogmarch and similar terminology tends to distract rather than help, in my humble estimation.
This is and must be a serious business.
Martin Luther King Jr. said this: The United States is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world.
It has continued to be so since then.
To convene Grand Juries and to INDICT these MF'ers.
Then Prosecute them, hopefully convict them and then sentence them.
Too bad that U.S. Federal Sentencing Guidelines do currently have the Death Penalty.....(a big reason many Americans just wouldn't have the stomach for "justice" with one of their "own"....)
Perhaps George Bush and Co. could find themselves enough Republicans and 'Southern Democrats" (Republicans) to change the Federal Guidelines to end the Death Penalty and instead institute "life without the possibility of parole"?
Oh, heck. Just forget the "Southern Democrats". They can just go for their usual Democratic friends like Pelosi, Reid, Lieberman (little "d" democrat with a little pen**)...etc.
We can't allow bush to pre-pardon any of the SOB's!
i suspect that the haas book is only the tip of the iceberg . . . one day we will take our boot off the neck of iraq, and the full extent of the horrors that we have perpetrated there will be revealed . . . and the iraqi's will, rightfully, demand justice from the hague
for now, though, the iraqis are subdued, and i cannot imagine that the hague would set off yet another uncertain chain of events by trying an american administration for war crimes
FWIW, the procedures outlined in the Geneva Conventions give standing to other sovereign countries to bring charges of GC violations before the International Criminal Court IF the country whose government committed the violations either will not or cannot bring the violators to trial in their country.
IOW, if the US won't or can't prosecute the Bush administration for war crimes under its own statutes, other countries can bring their charges to the ICC.
I will say this, there's a strong sense of right and wrong in America's politics, not in substance but in presentation. This might be unique to us and maybe the Middle-East. The French have the reputation of being cynical in their politics.
There is also a strong streak of National Messianism and entitlement in our foreign policy, everything from the Monroe Doctrine to the expansion of the West.
I certainly hope the 269 counts include the "shock and awe" campaign which targeted civilian infrastructure in violation of US militray and civilian laws as well as international laws. And I also certainly hope it includes the ordering of all people out of Fallujah and the destruction of that city which also was in violation of US militray and civilian laws as well as international laws.
Shock and Awe seemed to cause "real estate agents" to suddenly become Fox News commentators.
Hass lays out chapter and verse as to what our fecal stool dropping of a president has accomplished in the name of spreading democracy both around the world as well as here at home. As the subject asks, what are we as Americans going to do about it? What is a worthless Congress going to do about it?
I can just hear Obama saying, well, for the betterment of the country, it's time to move on just as Ford did with Nixon. Then we'll know the fix is in. Hopefully others around the world may have another idea and in the dead of night, someone with a pair will drag the idiot in chief off to the Hague to stand trial for crimes against humanity. I can still dream, can't I?
How's this for a pair?
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Hahahah....Maybe she can smother him to death.
Shopped.......
to talk about hurting this bush guy? I know that if he is a sitting president, it's not good to even talk about, but I'd like to see him get what he deserves, maybe in 2009.
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Even if the political class had a conscience or enough respect for the rule of law to prosecute this monster, George would still have his hundred thousand acre Nazi hideyhole in Paraguay to run to.
Communist North Korea didn't respond to a lawsuit that charged them with torturing some of the captured crew of the Pueblo in 1968, so today the US awarded the crew $65,000,000. Bush, like North Korea, ignores the law, and considers torture to only be an enhanced interogation technique.
again, beaten to the punch .....
spot on.
I agree 100%. Read on.
The Israeli air attacks on Gaza have killed over 300 Palestinians so far including women and children and the assault continues. No doubt those idiotic Gazans who keep firing Kassam rockets into Israel need to be stopped, but this is a response of extremely disproportionate scale. Already, the Gazans have suffered human tragedy on a massive scale. There is shortage of food, fuel, medical supplies and hospital beds.
Israeli contention that it is targeting Hamas activists is utter nonsense. They know full well that their bombs and missiles are falling on densely populated areas and there is no way to separate civilians from Hamas activists. Has Israel learnt no lessons from its misadventure on Lebanon, where it lost the moral war to a rag tag group of Hizballah activists?
Just when hope was beginning to sprout that President Elect Obama may make Middle East settlement and peace as his number one foreign policy priority, has Israel gone into an aggressive mode. Is the Israeli ruling coalition so terrified of a Likud victory in the forthcoming elections that it is trying to score points with the electorate at the cost of such massive human tragedy? Jews who have suffered enormously at the hands of Hitler should have better humane values than that.
The Jewish community around the world and especially in the U.S. traditionally supported Israel, but was horrified by Israeli bombing of Beirut in the last war. Once again they need to raise their voices to put an end to this madness. A continued conflict of this nature can only harm Israel in the long term and produce more suicide bombers.
It is time the world, particularly the West brings this tragedy to an end. French President Sarkozy and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown need to take a lead in this matter. They should use their full diplomatic pressure to put an end to the bombing, rocket attacks and ground attacks.
The United States used to be a world leader in these matters but it has lost moral ground. The criminal behavior of George W. Bush and Condi Rice in this conflict, the Lebanon war and the Iraq has rendered them war criminals. They should be hauled before the International Court in The Hague, tried and locked up for the rest of their lives. They have knowingly caused more human suffering and tragedy than any dictator since Hitler.
Where he sites George Washington's Farewell Address to the Nation. It is TOTALLY PERTINENT to what's happening between the United States and Israel right now. HIGHLY recommended reading:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/1...
Since many of our recent presidents may be war criminals, possibly from Truman to Bush, would proper checks and balances have impeached just about all of them for war crimes?...We already know that Nixon bombed 600,000+ people in Cambodia, where it was shown well in the movie Frost/Nixon (great flick!), and Bush has displaced 650,000+ Iraqi civilians. So, have most US presidents violated the Geneva conventions and other rules of war?
It's been nothing but a blood/germ bath and real estate grab.
We've had endless wars and the embarrassment of slavery since our inception. Nevermind the financial corruption with the Federal Reserve Banks.
Now Israel is just a taste of the United States in the Middle East. Our 51st State of Terror and more real estate grabbing:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081229_...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/map...
Don't jump to conclusions on Israel too quickly, because the IDF does not intentionally target civilians. They are trying to seek out Hamas militants and the civilians were pre-warned about airstrikes. Get the facts straight on www.camera.org when it comes to reporting in the Middle East.
In fact the IDF probably gets more things correct than the US military ever recently has.
and other rules of war?
Actually, when you put it that way, quite a few have. Even Clinton's hands are not clean. He bombarded civilians continually, and hell I'll admit it, he was the best leader the US has had in decades.
Did boosh forget to apply zinc oxide to his shnozz?
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"I think one advantage of having a Democratic House of Representatives after the coming election will be that we can have a new commission investigate 9/11 and the events leading up to our attacks on two innocent countries, Iraq and Afghanistan. It's about time that we begun to clean up our own house before we find that an international tribunal has summoned our leaders to The Hague in chains to put them on trial."
but I hereby volunteer to drag him to the Hague by his feet.
I call dibs on the other leg Freddy, you go north and I'll go south. I f the american people sit by and allow that spoiled murdering punk to thumb his nose at our country...oh wait, that's what he has done since day one, and we the citizens have done jack-shit about it. Pride in our country? bull-shit, if we had half the Pride,Integrity and Guts,(pig) that we like to brag so much about, we would have put an end to this crap long ago,sadly we have just the pig part. The roots of these criminals goes all the way back to LBJ, and our failure to stop them then, is the reason we are at this point now. Get in their way, they kill you re... JFK,MLK,RK,JKjr and hundreds more suspected or not uncovered, but for the good of the country...bla,bla,bla, bullshit, stop and think of people caught with a little baggie of crack doing a life hitch in prison, while the scum of the earth walk away free. After murdering as many as a million souls and untold numbers in the future, thanks to his "leadership".
Don't say GOP, say nazis, that's what they are, plain and simple, well ok the nazis were not as evil, but you get my point,Rule of law for all or none, instead we wave our arms in the air and pray for a magical being,( who's minions have murdered more people than smallpox) to help us...bring me a barf bag and my night-stick.CEO citizens,eyes,open
use the "?" after "..War Criminal" because he's not sure OR is it because you are innocent until PROVEN guilty? Well, which is it?
On the day of the Iraq invasion, the question was raised, "If they don't find WMD, does that make Bush a war criminal?". The answer then was YES, the answer now is YES and if it ever gets into a court of law, the answer will be YES. And BUSH has every right to defend himself unlike all the people in Gitmo.
.......for David to read this book and give everyone his critique based on his own knowledge of everything the author presents. Of course, simply in his own enthusiasm to read the book, he himself leaves no impression that he just might be partial to "what he wants to read" from the author.
Jesus people, nobody would like to see GW taken out, drawn and quartered as much as I but, when I read bloggers sounding like fucking know-it-alls........it makes me ILL. Wish I could blame it on a NY hangover but sadly I can't.
That's SOOOOOOOOOO history anyway. Let's talk about USB (that's Israel) being war criminals now......while we can save lives.
It requires nothing more than respect for and adherence to the Rule of Law to see that full investigation, warranted prosecution, and execution of any sentence are absolutely REQUIRED if we wish to hold anyone at all accountable for violation of the law.
That someone could be in jail for smoking a joint, yet Bush, Cheney, et al., could get a pass for illegally invading sovereign countries, torturing, murdering, obstruction of justice, violation of civil rights, and outright misappropriation of country resources and money is absolutely obscene.
For god's sake, Bush's party all but literally barbequed Bill Clinton for eight solid years and could find nothing more than simple perjury, yet it's unpatriotic for anyone to even LOOK to see what admitted and actual crimes Bush might have committed?
It is absolutely owed to anyone who has lost property or liberty under operation of the law that it be applied to everyone.
Just my $0.02 worth.
Bush is definit a war crime. He just want to win respect by sacrifice hundreds of thousands of civilians' life. Iraq war killed much much more people than Saddam regime.
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